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Edinburgh Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Dec 31, 2019 3:38 pm

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Re: Edinburgh Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Dec 31, 2019 5:07 pm

Well a new year signals new routes, and It looks like EDI is on track for a good summer with the amount of new routes announced, here is the highlights:

· Rotterdam (Transavia) - 27th February
Birmingham (easyJet) - 29 March
Catania (easyJet) - 29 March
Gibraltar (easyJet) - 31 March
Bydgoszcz (Ryanair) - 2 April
Hanover (Loganair) - 17 April
Antalya (TUI) - 2 May
Naples (TUI) - 4 May
Esbjerg (Loganair) - 7 May
London Southend (Flybe) - 15 June
Sharm-El-Sheilh (TUI) - 2 November

Thanks to SeanM1997 for collecting the data and putting it together. For frequencies I will post those myself at a later date.

Have a great new year and decade and let's hope for more good news!
 
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Re: Edinburgh Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Dec 31, 2019 5:08 pm

I wonder how the Emirates flight is doing at Edinburgh as its been over a year since its service, I know that the GLA flights had taken a hit but wouldn't it have been good to just consolidate at Glasgow and Qatar stay at Edinburgh due to the A380 investment at Glasgow.

Secondly, if they did want to have 3 flights into Scotland, they should space it out so that the evening flight from Glasgow and the flight from Edinburgh are some time apart. For example, have an early morning arrival, a mid day arrival and then an evening arrival (obviously this depends on scheduling, dubai banks etc etc)
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Re: Edinburgh Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Dec 31, 2019 5:40 pm

KingB123 wrote:
I wonder how the Emirates flight is doing at Edinburgh as its been over a year since its service

We're still told its 'early days' but last months EK load figures posted elsewhere were far from stellar. A common figure quoted as being reasonable is around 70% loads.
EK trends will not become apparent until year on year percentage figures are quoted.
Of interest GLA service continues to gain (Last month up 1%) yet NCL had had several months of percentage reduction so it maybe NCL is being hit more.
Again we're told its not all about loads bit QR has been consistently way less than I might have anticipated and thats before yet another frequency increase. You'd like to think someone knows what they're doing.
 
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Re: Edinburgh Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Dec 31, 2019 6:02 pm

This week it was announced that the RTM flight will start earlier, first 2x weekly, then 4x weekly.
Could see this flight go daily soon as a alternative for more AMS flights. Probably will take this flight very soon, ofcourse biking to RTM instead of taking the car.
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Re: Edinburgh Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Dec 31, 2019 7:29 pm

by738 wrote:
KingB123 wrote:
I wonder how the Emirates flight is doing at Edinburgh as its been over a year since its service

We're still told its 'early days' but last months EK load figures posted elsewhere were far from stellar. A common figure quoted as being reasonable is around 70% loads.
EK trends will not become apparent until year on year percentage figures are quoted.
Of interest GLA service continues to gain (Last month up 1%) yet NCL had had several months of percentage reduction so it maybe NCL is being hit more.
Again we're told its not all about loads bit QR has been consistently way less than I might have anticipated and thats before yet another frequency increase. You'd like to think someone knows what they're doing.


Thanks for the information, it sounds like 70% isnt too bad but then again lets see what the yields of the service is like. I am definitely sure that its more inbound traffic into Edinburgh than outbound to be honest. But I am surprised that GLA is doing well. I also see the point about NCL, as i remembered seeing big adverts about the chauffeur service to NCL for premium customers from Edinburgh.

Also surprised about Qatar, I thought they would've captured the market from here but doesn't sound too promising. Someone is sure to give up soon.
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Re: Edinburgh Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 01, 2020 12:51 am

Hi there, happy new year!
Regarding LFs:
· Emirates NOV19: 66%
· Qatar NOV19: 66%

So both are steady routes at the moment. Far from stellar but not too bad.
 
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Re: Edinburgh Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 01, 2020 1:25 am

I think EK must be doing OK at GLA with their A380. Their Winter 2021 schedule is still showing A380 into GLA and hopefully A380 will serve GLA year-round on EK27/28.
 
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Re: Edinburgh Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 01, 2020 2:50 pm

KingB123 wrote:
by738 wrote:
KingB123 wrote:
Also surprised about Qatar, I thought they would've captured the market from here but doesn't sound too promising. Someone is sure to give up soon.


I guess they'll be a lot of factors such as how good a deal each airline got from the airport, cargo, premium vs economy loads etc.

From a consumer point of view it would be great to have both of them for the long term. It'll be interesting to see how it pans out.
 
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Re: Edinburgh Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 01, 2020 3:36 pm

Breathe wrote:

I guess they'll be a lot of factors such as how good a deal each airline got from the airport, cargo, premium vs economy loads etc.

From a consumer point of view it would be great to have both of them for the long term. It'll be interesting to see how it pans out.


Absolutely, benefits us as consumers. looking forward to seeing what 2020 has in store for EDI.
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Re: Edinburgh Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 02, 2020 11:51 pm

TUI SUMMER 2020

Monday morning NAP no longer showing looks like it’s been replaced with the DLM flying into NCL (EDI-DLM-NCL-DLM-EDI)

Also, Freebird DLM for TUI on a Sunday evening no longer available
 
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Re: Edinburgh Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Jan 13, 2020 6:43 pm

Was said elsewhere that a new longhaul route will be announced from EDI this week, I have heard WestJet will be the route but there is plenty of other airlines it could be too.

Any guesses?
 
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Re: Edinburgh Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Jan 13, 2020 7:33 pm

....well I think its unlikely its going to be Cathay Pacific. WestJet...? A 787 to YYZ... awful big aircraft to fill.
 
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Re: Edinburgh Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Jan 13, 2020 7:51 pm

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....well I think its unlikely its going to be Cathay Pacific. WestJet...? A 787 to YYZ... awful big aircraft to fill.



Cathay Pacific!?!? No chance!
 
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Re: Edinburgh Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Jan 13, 2020 8:03 pm

by738 wrote:
....well I think its unlikely its going to be Cathay Pacific. WestJet...? A 787 to YYZ... awful big aircraft to fill.

The B763s are still on the go I think? Possibly that as an option?
 
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Re: Edinburgh Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Jan 13, 2020 8:20 pm

PlaneMad134 wrote:
Was said elsewhere that a new longhaul route will be announced from EDI this week, I have heard WestJet will be the route but there is plenty of other airlines it could be too.

Any guesses?


Where was it said?
 
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Re: Edinburgh Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Jan 13, 2020 8:53 pm

lets hope its Cathay or Singapore to a USA destination through EDI (Im joking) but if it is westjet, wouldn't that hammer their Glasgow Operations?

Secondly, does anyone know when the check in hall works are going to be completed? It is such a mess and I don't know how they are going to improve the check in experience. Anyone got any info?

Also, sad news about flybe coming out. Since EDI is a hub for flybe, if it goes bust, it will have a knock on effect on the airport for sure. Will Easyjet, Ryanair or maybe even BA pick up whats left by Flybe. Current routes from flybe are: Belfast–City, Birmingham, Cardiff, Exeter, Knock, London–City, London–Heathrow, London-Southend (begins 15 June 2020),[21] Manchester, Southampton
Seasonal: Bergerac, Newquay

Also, EDI we need a good ORLANDO link! Get it sorted! Tui doesn't cut it!
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Re: Edinburgh Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Jan 13, 2020 9:13 pm

KingB123 wrote:
if it is westjet, wouldn't that hammer their Glasgow Operations?

When Air Canada Rouge started at GLA, made minimal difference. More likely to affect EDI ACr. Im sure they've done their homework.

KingB123 wrote:
EDI we need a good ORLANDO link! Get it sorted! Tui doesn't cut it!

Where are all these EDI Florida bound passengers that everyone (VS, TUI, TCX, Norwegian) have seen fit to ignore and miss out on this veritable bounty?
 
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Re: Edinburgh Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Jan 13, 2020 9:15 pm

Ishrion wrote:
Where was it said?

The usual forum trawls...
 
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Re: Edinburgh Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Jan 13, 2020 10:17 pm

Ishrion wrote:
PlaneMad134 wrote:
Was said elsewhere that a new longhaul route will be announced from EDI this week, I have heard WestJet will be the route but there is plenty of other airlines it could be too.

Any guesses?


Where was it said?


The news that the announcement would be this week was from another forum.
 
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Re: Edinburgh Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Jan 13, 2020 10:18 pm

PlaneMad134 wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
PlaneMad134 wrote:
Was said elsewhere that a new longhaul route will be announced from EDI this week, I have heard WestJet will be the route but there is plenty of other airlines it could be too.

Any guesses?


Where was it said?


The news that the announcement would be this week was from another forum.


Can you link the forum? Is it on airliners or an external website?
 
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Re: Edinburgh Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Jan 13, 2020 11:52 pm

Ishrion wrote:
PlaneMad134 wrote:
Ishrion wrote:

Where was it said?


The news that the announcement would be this week was from another forum.


Can you link the forum? Is it on airliners or an external website?


External website.
 
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Re: Edinburgh Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Jan 14, 2020 12:07 am

Can you link it please?
 
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Re: Edinburgh Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Jan 14, 2020 12:16 am

PlaneMad134 wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
PlaneMad134 wrote:

The news that the announcement would be this week was from another forum.


Can you link the forum? Is it on airliners or an external website?


External website.


Do you mind linking it?
 
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Re: Edinburgh Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Jan 14, 2020 3:32 am

by738 wrote:
KingB123 wrote:
if it is westjet, wouldn't that hammer their Glasgow Operations?

When Air Canada Rouge started at GLA, made minimal difference. More likely to affect EDI ACr. Im sure they've done their homework.

KingB123 wrote:
EDI we need a good ORLANDO link! Get it sorted! Tui doesn't cut it!

Where are all these EDI Florida bound passengers that everyone (VS, TUI, TCX, Norwegian) have seen fit to ignore and miss out on this veritable bounty?



AC Rouge wont be liking competition. Lets see what happens.

Secondly, there is absolutely plenty demand between Edinburgh and Florida. Why there isn't a service that is absolutely bound to print money is another unsolved mystery. Norwegian are currently trying to save themselves, TUI are seasonal. TCX were based in Manchester and never did much flying to the states from Scotland from what I remember and at the time VS were established at Glasgow when International airlines started services (Emirates etc).
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Re: Edinburgh Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Jan 14, 2020 7:54 am

Ishrion wrote:
PlaneMad134 wrote:
Ishrion wrote:

Can you link the forum? Is it on airliners or an external website?


External website.


Do you mind linking it?


To those who wanted the link I have Dmed it.
 
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Re: Edinburgh Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Jan 14, 2020 7:56 am

PlaneMad134 wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
PlaneMad134 wrote:

External website.


Do you mind linking it?


To those who wanted the link I have Dmed it.


I don’t think I got it? If it’s a source, just link it here so everyone can see it.
 
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Re: Edinburgh Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Jan 14, 2020 7:59 am

Here is the link: http://egphforum.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=10

You have to sign up first though.
 
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Re: Edinburgh Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Jan 14, 2020 3:32 pm

Why is the forum such a huge secret PlaneMad? You only discovered it yourself a few months ago...
 
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Re: Edinburgh Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Jan 14, 2020 11:39 pm

KingB123 wrote:
Secondly, there is absolutely plenty demand between Edinburgh and Florida. Why there isn't a service that is absolutely bound to print money is another unsolved mystery. Norwegian are currently trying to save themselves, TUI are seasonal. TCX were based in Manchester and never did much flying to the states from Scotland from what I remember and at the time VS were established at Glasgow when International airlines started services (Emirates etc).


You are absolutely right, Edinburgh-Orlando must be one of the biggest unserved UK-US markets. TUI is extremely seasonal, operating just four return flights per year.

However TCX did a fair amount of flights to the states from Scotland with GLA-MCO (formerly GLA-SFB) and GLA-LAS. I don't really understand your last point but Emirates launched DXB-GLA in 2004 - years before VS launched GLA-MCO.
 
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Re: Edinburgh Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 15, 2020 12:00 am

If it was a goldmine, Virgin would be flying it surely? A GLA/EDI split would have minimal additional costs, indeed the A332 would be ideal. Even YYZ is peak summer only whereas GLA has Transat year round. With TS and Rouge merging, capacity should consolidate in some form?
 
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Re: Edinburgh Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 15, 2020 2:29 am

digitalcloud wrote:
KingB123 wrote:
Secondly, there is absolutely plenty demand between Edinburgh and Florida. Why there isn't a service that is absolutely bound to print money is another unsolved mystery. Norwegian are currently trying to save themselves, TUI are seasonal. TCX were based in Manchester and never did much flying to the states from Scotland from what I remember and at the time VS were established at Glasgow when International airlines started services (Emirates etc).


You are absolutely right, Edinburgh-Orlando must be one of the biggest unserved UK-US markets. TUI is extremely seasonal, operating just four return flights per year.

However TCX did a fair amount of flights to the states from Scotland with GLA-MCO (formerly GLA-SFB) and GLA-LAS. I don't really understand your last point but Emirates launched DXB-GLA in 2004 - years before VS launched GLA-MCO.



Thanks for letting me know, ah what i meant was that a few years ago, Glasgow was appealing to Long Haul carriers before Edinburgh became popular but lets hope and see what this year holds.
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Re: Edinburgh Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 15, 2020 2:31 am

skipness1E wrote:
If it was a goldmine, Virgin would be flying it surely? A GLA/EDI split would have minimal additional costs, indeed the A332 would be ideal. Even YYZ is peak summer only whereas GLA has Transat year round. With TS and Rouge merging, capacity should consolidate in some form?


I see where you're coming from, i cant remember if VS base an aircraft in GLA over the summer seasonal but if they could even do a W pattern from Edinburgh/Glasgow it would be cracking. I presume that because the cities are close to one another, that VS may not see the need to operate from both airports. But lets see what the future holds.

I would also like to see a year round carrier to toronto.
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Re: Edinburgh Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 15, 2020 8:13 am

KingB123 wrote:
skipness1E wrote:
If it was a goldmine, Virgin would be flying it surely? A GLA/EDI split would have minimal additional costs, indeed the A332 would be ideal. Even YYZ is peak summer only whereas GLA has Transat year round. With TS and Rouge merging, capacity should consolidate in some form?


I see where you're coming from, i cant remember if VS base an aircraft in GLA over the summer seasonal but if they could even do a W pattern from Edinburgh/Glasgow it would be cracking. I presume that because the cities are close to one another, that VS may not see the need to operate from both airports. But lets see what the future holds.

I would also like to see a year round carrier to toronto.


Well if aforementioned route to Toronto by WestJet is announced and does well, we may see that going year round with a frequency cut for the winter.
 
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Re: Edinburgh Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 15, 2020 9:15 am

digitalcloud wrote:
KingB123 wrote:
Secondly, there is absolutely plenty demand between Edinburgh and Florida. Why there isn't a service that is absolutely bound to print money is another unsolved mystery. Norwegian are currently trying to save themselves, TUI are seasonal. TCX were based in Manchester and never did much flying to the states from Scotland from what I remember and at the time VS were established at Glasgow when International airlines started services (Emirates etc).


You are absolutely right, Edinburgh-Orlando must be one of the biggest unserved UK-US markets. TUI is extremely seasonal, operating just four return flights per year.

However TCX did a fair amount of flights to the states from Scotland with GLA-MCO (formerly GLA-SFB) and GLA-LAS. I don't really understand your last point but Emirates launched DXB-GLA in 2004 - years before VS launched GLA-MCO.


I'm not sure what anyone's point is here, but "international" services from Glasgow existed long before Virgin or Emirates appeared. Lest we forget the early 90's heyday of US/Canadian services or go even further back to those Icelandair or Loftleidir DC-8's or 727's from KEF. Plenty other examples too. Back to the main point, yes odd there's no Florida service ex EDI, but as others have said, GLA has traditionally serviced the sunseeker market and hopefully this isn't yet another example of EDI fan boys thinking EDI deserves all of the routes, all of the time. Scotland may be a relatively small market, but attempting to funnel everything and everyone through one overly congested provincial airfield is not going to do anyone any good in the long run.

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