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KingB123 wrote:I wonder how the Emirates flight is doing at Edinburgh as its been over a year since its service
by738 wrote:KingB123 wrote:I wonder how the Emirates flight is doing at Edinburgh as its been over a year since its service
We're still told its 'early days' but last months EK load figures posted elsewhere were far from stellar. A common figure quoted as being reasonable is around 70% loads.
EK trends will not become apparent until year on year percentage figures are quoted.
Of interest GLA service continues to gain (Last month up 1%) yet NCL had had several months of percentage reduction so it maybe NCL is being hit more.
Again we're told its not all about loads bit QR has been consistently way less than I might have anticipated and thats before yet another frequency increase. You'd like to think someone knows what they're doing.
KingB123 wrote:by738 wrote:KingB123 wrote:Also surprised about Qatar, I thought they would've captured the market from here but doesn't sound too promising. Someone is sure to give up soon.
Breathe wrote:
I guess they'll be a lot of factors such as how good a deal each airline got from the airport, cargo, premium vs economy loads etc.
From a consumer point of view it would be great to have both of them for the long term. It'll be interesting to see how it pans out.
by738 wrote:....well I think its unlikely its going to be Cathay Pacific. WestJet...? A 787 to YYZ... awful big aircraft to fill.
by738 wrote:....well I think its unlikely its going to be Cathay Pacific. WestJet...? A 787 to YYZ... awful big aircraft to fill.
PlaneMad134 wrote:Was said elsewhere that a new longhaul route will be announced from EDI this week, I have heard WestJet will be the route but there is plenty of other airlines it could be too.
Any guesses?
KingB123 wrote:if it is westjet, wouldn't that hammer their Glasgow Operations?
KingB123 wrote:EDI we need a good ORLANDO link! Get it sorted! Tui doesn't cut it!
Ishrion wrote:Where was it said?
Ishrion wrote:PlaneMad134 wrote:Was said elsewhere that a new longhaul route will be announced from EDI this week, I have heard WestJet will be the route but there is plenty of other airlines it could be too.
Any guesses?
Where was it said?
PlaneMad134 wrote:Ishrion wrote:PlaneMad134 wrote:Was said elsewhere that a new longhaul route will be announced from EDI this week, I have heard WestJet will be the route but there is plenty of other airlines it could be too.
Any guesses?
Where was it said?
The news that the announcement would be this week was from another forum.
Ishrion wrote:PlaneMad134 wrote:Ishrion wrote:
Where was it said?
The news that the announcement would be this week was from another forum.
Can you link the forum? Is it on airliners or an external website?
PlaneMad134 wrote:Ishrion wrote:PlaneMad134 wrote:
The news that the announcement would be this week was from another forum.
Can you link the forum? Is it on airliners or an external website?
External website.
by738 wrote:KingB123 wrote:if it is westjet, wouldn't that hammer their Glasgow Operations?
When Air Canada Rouge started at GLA, made minimal difference. More likely to affect EDI ACr. Im sure they've done their homework.KingB123 wrote:EDI we need a good ORLANDO link! Get it sorted! Tui doesn't cut it!
Where are all these EDI Florida bound passengers that everyone (VS, TUI, TCX, Norwegian) have seen fit to ignore and miss out on this veritable bounty?
Ishrion wrote:PlaneMad134 wrote:Ishrion wrote:
Can you link the forum? Is it on airliners or an external website?
External website.
Do you mind linking it?
PlaneMad134 wrote:Ishrion wrote:PlaneMad134 wrote:
External website.
Do you mind linking it?
To those who wanted the link I have Dmed it.
KingB123 wrote:Secondly, there is absolutely plenty demand between Edinburgh and Florida. Why there isn't a service that is absolutely bound to print money is another unsolved mystery. Norwegian are currently trying to save themselves, TUI are seasonal. TCX were based in Manchester and never did much flying to the states from Scotland from what I remember and at the time VS were established at Glasgow when International airlines started services (Emirates etc).
digitalcloud wrote:KingB123 wrote:Secondly, there is absolutely plenty demand between Edinburgh and Florida. Why there isn't a service that is absolutely bound to print money is another unsolved mystery. Norwegian are currently trying to save themselves, TUI are seasonal. TCX were based in Manchester and never did much flying to the states from Scotland from what I remember and at the time VS were established at Glasgow when International airlines started services (Emirates etc).
You are absolutely right, Edinburgh-Orlando must be one of the biggest unserved UK-US markets. TUI is extremely seasonal, operating just four return flights per year.
However TCX did a fair amount of flights to the states from Scotland with GLA-MCO (formerly GLA-SFB) and GLA-LAS. I don't really understand your last point but Emirates launched DXB-GLA in 2004 - years before VS launched GLA-MCO.
skipness1E wrote:If it was a goldmine, Virgin would be flying it surely? A GLA/EDI split would have minimal additional costs, indeed the A332 would be ideal. Even YYZ is peak summer only whereas GLA has Transat year round. With TS and Rouge merging, capacity should consolidate in some form?
KingB123 wrote:skipness1E wrote:If it was a goldmine, Virgin would be flying it surely? A GLA/EDI split would have minimal additional costs, indeed the A332 would be ideal. Even YYZ is peak summer only whereas GLA has Transat year round. With TS and Rouge merging, capacity should consolidate in some form?
I see where you're coming from, i cant remember if VS base an aircraft in GLA over the summer seasonal but if they could even do a W pattern from Edinburgh/Glasgow it would be cracking. I presume that because the cities are close to one another, that VS may not see the need to operate from both airports. But lets see what the future holds.
I would also like to see a year round carrier to toronto.
digitalcloud wrote:KingB123 wrote:Secondly, there is absolutely plenty demand between Edinburgh and Florida. Why there isn't a service that is absolutely bound to print money is another unsolved mystery. Norwegian are currently trying to save themselves, TUI are seasonal. TCX were based in Manchester and never did much flying to the states from Scotland from what I remember and at the time VS were established at Glasgow when International airlines started services (Emirates etc).
You are absolutely right, Edinburgh-Orlando must be one of the biggest unserved UK-US markets. TUI is extremely seasonal, operating just four return flights per year.
However TCX did a fair amount of flights to the states from Scotland with GLA-MCO (formerly GLA-SFB) and GLA-LAS. I don't really understand your last point but Emirates launched DXB-GLA in 2004 - years before VS launched GLA-MCO.
A total of 14,747,830 people travelled through Edinburgh Airport last year, making 2019 the busiest in the airport’s history and the busiest ever year for a Scottish airport.
The numbers are up 3.1% on 2018 with growth in international passengers driving the increase.
FY 2019 % vs Last Year
Domestic 5,338,511 -0.7%
International 9,409,319 5.3%
Total 14,747,830 3.1%
The figures follow a rise in passenger numbers for December:
Dec % vs Last Year
Domestic 396,298 -8.9%
International 652,647 10.2%
Total 1,048,945 2.1%
Gordon Dewar, Chief Executive of Edinburgh Airport said:
“We’re delighted to deliver a record year for any Scottish airport as passengers continued to take advantage of new routes, new airlines and the opportunity to expand their horizons and travel the world.
“We never lose sight of the fact that the airport is a conduit to a whole host of things. We play our part in tourism, business, education, research and culture. We are that gateway to Scotland and the world, and direct connectivity to countries across the world plays a huge part in that success.
“Clearly, we want to see that success continue to benefit Edinburgh and Scotland and travel will always be a part of that, but we do have a responsibility to manage that success in a sustainable manner. We appreciate that we need to show leadership in this area and we are currently finalising a strategy which will map out our approach to operations at Edinburgh to make them even more sustainable than they already are. We look forward to sharing that strategy and engaging with our communities on it.
“Finally, I would like to thank all staff across campus who worked to make this a record year for Edinburgh Airport. We all play a part in the journey of our passengers and it is that team approach which helps us to deliver the many big days that are experienced every day.”
Breathe wrote:So what happened to that "announcement" that was meant to be happening this week. More like smoke and mirrors.
KingB123 wrote:digitalcloud wrote:KingB123 wrote:Secondly, there is absolutely plenty demand between Edinburgh and Florida. Why there isn't a service that is absolutely bound to print money is another unsolved mystery. Norwegian are currently trying to save themselves, TUI are seasonal. TCX were based in Manchester and never did much flying to the states from Scotland from what I remember and at the time VS were established at Glasgow when International airlines started services (Emirates etc).
You are absolutely right, Edinburgh-Orlando must be one of the biggest unserved UK-US markets. TUI is extremely seasonal, operating just four return flights per year.
However TCX did a fair amount of flights to the states from Scotland with GLA-MCO (formerly GLA-SFB) and GLA-LAS. I don't really understand your last point but Emirates launched DXB-GLA in 2004 - years before VS launched GLA-MCO.
Thanks for letting me know, ah what i meant was that a few years ago, Glasgow was appealing to Long Haul carriers before Edinburgh became popular but lets hope and see what this year holds.
bergkampsticket wrote:GLA wasn't appealing to LH carriers so much as BAA chose GLA for long haul routes which created an artificial market. Under the freer system they've chosen EDI for business/tourist reasons.
by738 wrote:intercontinental routes were in the 'west' way before BAA ever came along or any perceived manipulation (think Pan Am, Northwest, BOAC, Air Canada etc). As tourism has drifted, its not unsurprising its now focussed on EDI.
The suggestion that there should only really be one main intercontinental port , first PIK, then GLA, now EDI is not unreasonable for a country of this size, population and tourism flow. Wont be the last change in coming decades. Perhaps the one central Scotland airport will come to pass when facilities elsewhere become even more unbearable.
sandyb123 wrote:by738 wrote:intercontinental routes were in the 'west' way before BAA ever came along or any perceived manipulation (think Pan Am, Northwest, BOAC, Air Canada etc). As tourism has drifted, its not unsurprising its now focussed on EDI.
The suggestion that there should only really be one main intercontinental port , first PIK, then GLA, now EDI is not unreasonable for a country of this size, population and tourism flow. Wont be the last change in coming decades. Perhaps the one central Scotland airport will come to pass when facilities elsewhere become even more unbearable.
PIK? Really? The airport is basically mothballed and it would have closed to pax service years ago if it wasn’t for the Shambolic government bail out. Unless you live in Ayrshire it’s not convenient.
At the end of the day EDI is the business and tourism airport because that’s where 99% of big business and tourism happens in Scotland. GLA is the outbound leisure airport because it has the bigger population scope.
Agree 100% that a central Scotland airport with proper transport connections to the main cities is the way forward, but in a deregulated world it won’t happen mostly because GIP & AGS would be all over it with lawyers.
Sandyb123
digitalcloud wrote:Breathe wrote:So what happened to that "announcement" that was meant to be happening this week. More like smoke and mirrors.
Are you suggesting that an A.net rumour could actually turn out to be false?
PlaneMad134 wrote:Does any other airport have an Aer Lingus based plane (apart from DUB, SNN and ORK)?
Bhoy wrote:PlaneMad134 wrote:Does any other airport have an Aer Lingus based plane (apart from DUB, SNN and ORK)?
Heathrow.
jrfspa320 wrote:Belfast....technically UK
PlaneMad134 wrote:Bhoy wrote:PlaneMad134 wrote:Does any other airport have an Aer Lingus based plane (apart from DUB, SNN and ORK)?
Heathrow.
Ah ok, So that means EDI will be their 2nd UK base.