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itripreport wrote:Starting off 2020 with some good news, while booking flights, I just realized American will re-start JFK service some time in January, As I am currently booked on a flight on the 18th. The schedule will be the following.
AA2458 departs SAN at 7:25AM, arriving at JFK at 15:43PM.
itripreport wrote:Starting off 2020 with some good news, while booking flights, I just realized American will re-start JFK service some time in January, As I am currently booked on a flight on the 18th. The schedule will be the following.
AA2458 departs SAN at 7:25AM, arriving at JFK at 15:43PM.
SANFan wrote:Major additions:
WN adds nonstops to HNL & OGG on Apr 20 & 14 respectively - daily and year-round I assume;
Service increases (on existing routes):
>WN, well, it's really hard to tell since they continually alter their schedules due to the MAX groundings but most of their seasonal (summer) routes seem to be returning.
jplatts wrote:SANFan wrote:Major additions:
WN adds nonstops to HNL & OGG on Apr 20 & 14 respectively - daily and year-round I assume;
Service increases (on existing routes):
>WN, well, it's really hard to tell since they continually alter their schedules due to the MAX groundings but most of their seasonal (summer) routes seem to be returning.
WN could add SAN-FLL nonstop service in order to defend against AS or NK possibly adding SAN-FLL nonstop service. WN also has a customer base in both the Miami/Fort Lauderdale and San Diego markets to support SAN-FLL nonstop service on WN. WN also has more market share on domestic air travel in the MIA/FLL market than AS, G4, F9, B6, or SY, and WN also had more market share on domestic air travel in the MIA/FLL market than NK did until very recently.
Other nonstop routes that could be added by WN out of SAN once WN has more planes in its fleet include SAN-CLE, SAN-CMH, SAN-BDL, SAN-JAX, SAN-KOA, SAN-LIH, SAN-PIT, and SAN-RDU.
blacksoviet wrote:Does WN use 73Gs on all of their transcon routes or are some operated with 738s?
WN732 wrote:I noticed that AS is scheduled to switch some of their SAN-AUS flights to E175. It also appears to be flown by Horizon, while some others are flown by SkyWest. I didn't really check to see when that starts but I saw it when looking to book AUS-SAN-FAT in early April. I wish they would throw more 737's at AUS instead of the ex VX Airbus'.
Edit: They are all going to E175 instead of the A319 that is normally used now.
vedatil4 wrote:Someone posted pictures dated Christmas Eve of demolition work being done for the new international "in-transit" terminal at TIJ. Note the Hainan Airlines dreamliner in the background. The building should be ready by fall of 2022.![]()
The pictures are towards the bottom of this webpage:
https://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthre ... 7&page=236
blacksoviet wrote:I am surprised the American government is allowing TIJ to become a binational airport. This is wonderful news. TIJ is going to be the first binational airport terminal in North America. I think they are eventually going to need to expand the terminal to add more widebody gates connected to the “American FIS”. I think the smartest thing to do would be to simply build a new concourse.
Think about the possibilities this will open up. Lindbergh Field will be forced to compete against TIJ to attract new Asian and European Airlines. Could we even see a Qantas Dreamliner parked at TIJ one day? What about an Air France A340-300 making a fuel stop on its way to PPT?
The possibilities are endless.
vedatil4 wrote:vedatil4 wrote:Someone posted pictures dated Christmas Eve of demolition work being done for the new international "in-transit" terminal at TIJ. Note the Hainan Airlines dreamliner in the background. The building should be ready by fall of 2022.![]()
The pictures are towards the bottom of this webpage:
https://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthre ... 7&page=236
I've studied this rendering of the project at Tijuana airport very, very carefully: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWw3dB9xvnc (disclosure: I work in the architecture and civil engineering fields.)
I'm convinced international passengers using CBX will have a way to bypass Mexican customs and immigration when walking to or from the international gates located on the east side of hall B through an "in-transit" area. That's all good news for San Diegans wanting to catch flights to Asia, Europe, or Central America(perhaps to the US someday on Volaris? separate thread explored this possibility.)
Pause the video and focus on signage at around the 50second mark for northbound passengers and the 1min 58sec mark for southbound passengers . At those points passengers get to choose not to go through Mexican immigration and customs.
further breakdown:
If a rare passenger arriving from China, let's say, is headed to TJ, the immigration and customs for them will be on the first floor. Then they enter an arrivals foyer where they can walk outside to catch a taxi.
If a passenger arriving from China is connecting to a destination in Mexico, they'll go through immigration, customs, and airline check-in on a second floor above the taxi pickup area. Then they'll go back downstairs to the arrivals foyer, go through airport security, then enter a long corridor heading to the west side of hall B and hall A where they can catch Mexico-bound flights.
I think that same passenger arriving from China will be able to stay in the "in-transit" area to catch a connecting international flight without going through Mexican immigration and customs. There appears to be a waiting area on the left side before the escalator down to the baggage claim area and in front of the two international gates. (not sure on this one but would make sense)
I think southbound domestic flight passengers using CBX will first go into the same international "in-transit" area, then the same immigration, customs, and airline check-in on the second floor then to security on the first floor as passengers arriving from China connecting to Mexico flights.
What remains a little unclear is how northbound domestic flight passengers using CBX will reach the bridge. I think it'll be through an area just north of the international baggage pickup shown in the video.
I hope this information is helpful. Maybe others can also watch the video carefully and point out where this analysis is incorrect.
The passenger types I think need to be considered while watching the video are:
-CBX southbound for international flight
-CBX northbound from international flight (this is when I want to bypass Mexican immigration and customs)
-CBX southbound for domestic flight
-CBX northbound from domestic flight
-CBX staying in TJ for 24 hours first before domestic or international flight (rare occurrence)
-arriving Chinese connecting to a domestic flight
-arriving Chinese connecting to an international flight
-Chinese arriving to stay in TJ (very rare occurrence) (note: I use the terms China or Chinese only because Hainan already flies to TJ.)
SANFan wrote:I see on another thread regarding the MAX groundings that COPA has 6 of the aircraft stored. (The thread even lists where the a/c are currently but I don't find that relevant here.) Here's the link to the thread: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1437865
I'm simply wondering if SAN could possibly be on the waiting list for service to PTY once the carrier takes delivery of these planes? I'd sure love to know if this might be the case and that we could see COPA here when this nightmare is finally over! I would think this might be one of the most likely new int'l routes to be started (at San Diego's Int'l Airport) in the near future.
My apologies if this particular point was brought up and discussed in last years thread; I don't remember if it was and that's quite a thread to read through!
bb
DL717 wrote:vedatil4 wrote:vedatil4 wrote:Someone posted pictures dated Christmas Eve of demolition work being done for the new international "in-transit" terminal at TIJ. Note the Hainan Airlines dreamliner in the background. The building should be ready by fall of 2022.![]()
The pictures are towards the bottom of this webpage:
https://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthre ... 7&page=236
I've studied this rendering of the project at Tijuana airport very, very carefully: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWw3dB9xvnc (disclosure: I work in the architecture and civil engineering fields.)
I'm convinced international passengers using CBX will have a way to bypass Mexican customs and immigration when walking to or from the international gates located on the east side of hall B through an "in-transit" area. That's all good news for San Diegans wanting to catch flights to Asia, Europe, or Central America(perhaps to the US someday on Volaris? separate thread explored this possibility.)
Pause the video and focus on signage at around the 50second mark for northbound passengers and the 1min 58sec mark for southbound passengers . At those points passengers get to choose not to go through Mexican immigration and customs.
further breakdown:
If a rare passenger arriving from China, let's say, is headed to TJ, the immigration and customs for them will be on the first floor. Then they enter an arrivals foyer where they can walk outside to catch a taxi.
If a passenger arriving from China is connecting to a destination in Mexico, they'll go through immigration, customs, and airline check-in on a second floor above the taxi pickup area. Then they'll go back downstairs to the arrivals foyer, go through airport security, then enter a long corridor heading to the west side of hall B and hall A where they can catch Mexico-bound flights.
I think that same passenger arriving from China will be able to stay in the "in-transit" area to catch a connecting international flight without going through Mexican immigration and customs. There appears to be a waiting area on the left side before the escalator down to the baggage claim area and in front of the two international gates. (not sure on this one but would make sense)
I think southbound domestic flight passengers using CBX will first go into the same international "in-transit" area, then the same immigration, customs, and airline check-in on the second floor then to security on the first floor as passengers arriving from China connecting to Mexico flights.
What remains a little unclear is how northbound domestic flight passengers using CBX will reach the bridge. I think it'll be through an area just north of the international baggage pickup shown in the video.
I hope this information is helpful. Maybe others can also watch the video carefully and point out where this analysis is incorrect.
The passenger types I think need to be considered while watching the video are:
-CBX southbound for international flight
-CBX northbound from international flight (this is when I want to bypass Mexican immigration and customs)
-CBX southbound for domestic flight
-CBX northbound from domestic flight
-CBX staying in TJ for 24 hours first before domestic or international flight (rare occurrence)
-arriving Chinese connecting to a domestic flight
-arriving Chinese connecting to an international flight
-Chinese arriving to stay in TJ (very rare occurrence) (note: I use the terms China or Chinese only because Hainan already flies to TJ.)
Nope. Land border crossing to an airport. Nothing more, nothing less.
Leave your car, walk into building, clear customs into Mexico, board your flight. Only Mexican nationals would be theoretically able to bypass customs.
Walk off plane, clear Mexico customs, cross bridge, enter building, clear US customs, go to your car.
You’re entering another country, it’s not a binational airport.
SANFan wrote:I see on another thread regarding the MAX groundings that COPA has 6 of the aircraft stored. (The thread even lists where the a/c are currently but I don't find that relevant here.) Here's the link to the thread: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1437865
I'm simply wondering if SAN could possibly be on the waiting list for service to PTY once the carrier takes delivery of these planes? I'd sure love to know if this might be the case and that we could see COPA here when this nightmare is finally over! I would think this might be one of the most likely new int'l routes to be started (at San Diego's Int'l Airport) in the near future.
My apologies if this particular point was brought up and discussed in last years thread; I don't remember if it was and that's quite a thread to read through!
bb
airplaneboy wrote:Any updates on a desperately needed new terminal 1?
PSAatSAN4Ever wrote:airplaneboy wrote:Any updates on a desperately needed new terminal 1?
None. The initial plans including ZERO mass transit options, but that is being re-thought. Yes, there has been a lot of poo-pooing of the mass-transit idea, complete with the "nobody is ever going to use it" concept, but I disagree. LOTS of people would prefer to be dropped off nearby, such as at the old SPAWARS facility, so that their drivers don't have to negotiate the streets of Little Italy (Grape & Hawthorne are always at a crawl) or the increasingly crowded Harbor Drive. Multiple options are being considered, including pick-up/drop-off directly at curbside, of course. But including a stop for buses/trollies/Coaster and possibly even Amtrak would allow a lot of people to avoid crawling through the streets nearby, clearing up the roads for others.
When groundbreaking does occur, however, you'll see an ENORMOUS to-do with that event . The ceremonial groundbreaking will be followed by lots of plans and discussions of what to expect. But for now, it's still in the planning phase.
I've done LOTS of my own planning for our airport (long before all SAN started working on it), and my plans jibed with what they came up, at least in general. And I was one of the vocal opponents of Terminal One's redevelopment WITHOUT the mass transit option, so I am glad they are doing that. Until then, though, Terminal One will have to continue as-is...
vedatil4 wrote:Here's an interesting thread about a new airline coming to Carlsbad airport until March to take people to Taos
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1438327
Flights will be on a rare Dornier 328 jet.
SANMAN66 wrote:vedatil4 wrote:Here's an interesting thread about a new airline coming to Carlsbad airport until March to take people to Taos
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1438327
Flights will be on a rare Dornier 328 jet.
Seasonal is better than none I guess. I wish Taos success at CLD. I'm hoping Contour will start service there too.
LindyFlight wrote:On a separate note, looks like SEA is getting PR service to MNL in May if confirmed, that was one of the destinations they’ve been looking at other than SAN and ORD. Also notable is that they added an extra frequency to LAX.
SANFan wrote:LindyFlight wrote:On a separate note, looks like SEA is getting PR service to MNL in May if confirmed, that was one of the destinations they’ve been looking at other than SAN and ORD. Also notable is that they added an extra frequency to LAX.
Yeah, Cebu-LAX is supposedly the added capacity at the city to our north, according to the OAG thread this morning; 3x weekly SEA-MNL as well as on CBU-LAX.
Nothing is being mentioned anywhere lately regarding PR and SAN so it's hard to be optimistic but I suppose 'slim-to-none' is still slightly better than just 'none'? I'm keeping an eye out for any sort of positive vibes that might surface but both PR and SDIA (as always) are as quiet as rocks.
We've already got some nice things on the books for 2020 (see my post up-thread) but wouldn't it be wonderful to see a new intercontinental destination -- by a new foreign flag carrier -- announced this year?!
And finally, from the 'for-what-it's-worth' file, PR's application back in 2008 to serve SAN indicated a 4th quarter start... (Oh, and AFAIK, SEA-MNL has never been applied for by PR.)
bb
PSAatSAN4Ever wrote:SANFan wrote:LindyFlight wrote:On a separate note, looks like SEA is getting PR service to MNL in May if confirmed, that was one of the destinations they’ve been looking at other than SAN and ORD. Also notable is that they added an extra frequency to LAX.
Yeah, Cebu-LAX is supposedly the added capacity at the city to our north, according to the OAG thread this morning; 3x weekly SEA-MNL as well as on CBU-LAX.
Nothing is being mentioned anywhere lately regarding PR and SAN so it's hard to be optimistic but I suppose 'slim-to-none' is still slightly better than just 'none'? I'm keeping an eye out for any sort of positive vibes that might surface but both PR and SDIA (as always) are as quiet as rocks.
We've already got some nice things on the books for 2020 (see my post up-thread) but wouldn't it be wonderful to see a new intercontinental destination -- by a new foreign flag carrier -- announced this year?!
And finally, from the 'for-what-it's-worth' file, PR's application back in 2008 to serve SAN indicated a 4th quarter start... (Oh, and AFAIK, SEA-MNL has never been applied for by PR.)
bb
I'm always of the mind that SAN-MNL would take away yields from LAX-MNL, which is running fine x2. I suspect that SAN is just too close, and that the VFR traffic would find it more expensive taking a SAN-MNL non-stop, which is very price sensitive. And for those who must fly out of SAN, going on JL via NRT is proving extremely convenient. I hold no hope for seeing PAL here.
How much longer are LH's incentives running? Any further European carriers (KL/AF/SkyTeam), I would assume would be waiting for those to kick in before starting service.
We waited a very long time for SAN to live up to "international" status, but it is thriving. However, the unrelenting gravity of LAX is a tough thing to overcome, so all we can do is hope that it doesn't prove too strong and keep carriers away. SEA, on the other hand, doesn't have that issue...
LindyFlight wrote:Let's see... Lufthansa started service back in March of 18' and I remember reading in the UT that the incentives cover the first two years. So they are presumably due to expire in March of this year. Forecasts in 2016 showed an additional EU hub cx starting service in 2020 but nothing yet, I'd imagine it's because the airport wants to make sure that Lufthansa is successful here and I think they're doing just that! I believe it takes a new route about 24 months to fully develop and become profitable and we're getting closer to that mark. That ASH conference is in town again this coming November/December and those Air France flights did the job back in 2018 well so I would think that they will be back. My best guess is that we'll get an additional EU carrier (hopefully KL/AF) between 2021-2023.
SpaceshipDC10 wrote:Jan 15 & 16, AC subbing Rouge flights to/from YYZ with a 767.
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... -jan-2020/
SANFan wrote:Yeah, Cebu-LAX is supposedly the added capacity at the city to our north, according to the OAG thread this morning; 3x weekly SEA-MNL as well as on CBU-LAX.
Devilfish wrote:I think it's not an added frequency...rather a reduction of one MNL flight on alternate days to make way for the CEB flight as PR's slot allocations at LAX may already be full. Not to give false hopes...but if it's any consolation, the linked blog there said: "With that in mind, there are only three US destinations left that are up for grabs soon".
A comment in reply noted that the increased capacity at LAX was pushing MNL-LAX yields down, and added: "In regards to the A350 to SEA, take note that they have reduced MNL-LHR frequencies to 5x a week it may further be reduced to 4x a week opening the possibility of another route being added 3x a week."
vedatil4 wrote:That's all good news for San Diegans ... (perhaps to the US someday on Volaris? separate thread explored this possibility.)
PacoMartin wrote:vedatil4 wrote:That's all good news for San Diegans ... (perhaps to the US someday on Volaris? separate thread explored this possibility.)
There are a lot of destinations listed on Volaris website, but I presume these are parternships with Frontier Airlines.
Costa Rica
San Jose, CR
El Salvador
San Salvador
Guatemala
Guatemala City
Mexico
Acapulco
Aguascalentes
Cabo San Lucas
Cancun
Chetumal
Chihuahua
Ciudad Obregon
Colima
Cozumel
Culiacan
Durango
Guadalajara
Hermosillo
Huatulco
Ixtapa-Zihuatanejo
Juarez
La Paz
Leon
Loreto
Los Mochis
Mazatlan
Mexicali
Mexico City
Monterrey
Morelia
Mérida
Oaxaca
Puebla
Puerto Escondido
Puerto Vallarta
Queretaro
San Luis Potosi
Tapachula
Tepic
Tijuana
Torreon
Tuxtla Gutierrez
Uruapan
Veracruz
Zacatecas
United States
Atlanta
Austin
Birmingham
Bismarck
Boise
Bozeman
Branson
Buffalo
Cedar Rapids
Charleston
Charlotte
Chicago
Cincinnati
Cleveland
Colorado Springs
Columbus
Dallas
Denver
Des Moines
Detroit
El Paso
Fargo
Fort Myers
Fresno
Grand Rapids
Greenville
Houston
Indianapolis
Jackson
Jacksonville
Lafayette
Las Vegas
Little Rock
Long Island
Los Angeles
Louisville
Madison
Memphis
Miami
Milwaukee
Minneapolis
Missoula
Nashville
New Orleans
New York
Norfolk
Oakland
Oklahoma City
Omaha
Ontario
Orlando
Palm Springs
Pensacola
Philadelphia
Phoenix
Pittsburgh
Portland
Providence
Raleigh
Reno
Sacramento
Saint Louis
Salt Lake City
San Antonio
San Diego
San Francisco
San Jose
Santa Ana
Seattle
Sioux Falls
Spokane
Syracuse
Tampa
Trenton
Tulsa
Washington
Wichita
vedatil4 wrote:
TIJ is one of their hub cities and they have a maintenance base there. I'm thinking that part of their expansion plans is more flights to the US once the new in-transit terminal is completed in 2022. They flew from TIJ to Oakland in the past so they've tried once before.
SANMAN66 wrote:TIJ and SAN are close to each other. I strongly believe that Volaris discontinued it's OAK-TIJ flight because it made more sense to simply go to SAN and fly domestically on WN or AS to OAK or anywhere else in the U.S. Whereas Volaris discontinued SAN service because it made more sense to go to TIJ and fly domestically on Volaris anywhere in Mexico.
PSAatSAN4Ever wrote:SANMAN66 wrote:TIJ and SAN are close to each other. I strongly believe that Volaris discontinued it's OAK-TIJ flight because it made more sense to simply go to SAN and fly domestically on WN or AS to OAK or anywhere else in the U.S. Whereas Volaris discontinued SAN service because it made more sense to go to TIJ and fly domestically on Volaris anywhere in Mexico.
Agreed 100%. SAN has never been able to hold on to Mexico service other than O&D to/from certain resort cities because of the lower costs at TIJ, saving hundreds (if not thousands) of dollars in international fees. Dealing with the hassles of San Ysidro & Otay Mesa has been worth the savings, and with Cross Border Xpress adding to the mix, TIJ has become San Diego's Latin American airport. My husband and I got tickets on Volaris for TIJ-PVR in Premium Economy (checked bag, priority seating, and airport assistance at TIJ and PVR, as needed) plus CBX round-trip tickets for $260 less than the lowest fare on AS out of SAN. I will definitely be doing a trip report upon our return!!
I'm starting a thread in Polls & Preferences, however, about being able to consider TIJ competition for SAN on the SAN-ELP route by flying TIJ-CJS. There is nothing to stop an American citizen who, with the right documents, could cross into Mexico from San Diego (CBX even!), fly to Ciudad Juarez, and take ground transportation to the border and into El Paso, Texas. Are there any other border city-pairs like this?
PSAatSAN4Ever wrote:I'm starting a thread in Polls & Preferences, however, about being able to consider TIJ competition for SAN on the SAN-ELP route by flying TIJ-CJS. There is nothing to stop an American citizen who, with the right documents, could cross into Mexico from San Diego (CBX even!), fly to Ciudad Juarez, and take ground transportation to the border and into El Paso, Texas. Are there any other border city-pairs like this?
SANMAN66 wrote:PSAatSAN4Ever wrote:I'm starting a thread in Polls & Preferences, however, about being able to consider TIJ competition for SAN on the SAN-ELP route by flying TIJ-CJS. There is nothing to stop an American citizen who, with the right documents, could cross into Mexico from San Diego (CBX even!), fly to Ciudad Juarez, and take ground transportation to the border and into El Paso, Texas. Are there any other border city-pairs like this?
The question is, how many Americans would want to cross the border, catch a flight to another Mexican destination, and cross the border back into the U.S.? TIJ and SAN complement each other and not compete. With the CBX in play, TIJ has become the second international airport serving the San Diego/Tijuana region. If TIJ was located at least 1 to 2 hours south of Tijuana, then we could possibly see some competition between both airports with flights to the U.S. and Mexico.
hawaiian717 wrote:Does CJS/ELP have something similar to CBX? Otherwise, people using TIJ-CJS an an alternative to SAN-ELP will still have to deal with the land border crossing on the ELP/CJS end.
hawaiian717 wrote:Does CJS/ELP have something similar to CBX? Otherwise, people using TIJ-CJS an an alternative to SAN-ELP will still have to deal with the land border crossing on the ELP/CJS end.
As far as western Canada, BLI is actually quite a bit closer than SEA. If memory serves, going after BC traffic was a major reason Allegiant started their base there.