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Re: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Mar 23, 2020 7:16 am

SANFan wrote:
HA is now cancelling both SAN flights/routes effective on or just after Thursday, March 26. The suspension, at this time, is thru the end of March; HA will offer only a single r/t HNL-LAX and a weekly HNL-PPG service thru the end of March. I'd bet this schedule will last a lot longer than the end of March... Here's the link:

https://newsroom.hawaiianairlines.com/r ... tine-order

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It’s through May 19th for all mainland routes except LAXHNL.
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Re: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Mar 27, 2020 2:56 am

MAH4546 wrote:
SANFan wrote:
HA is now cancelling both SAN flights/routes effective on or just after Thursday, March 26. The suspension, at this time, is thru the end of March; HA will offer only a single r/t HNL-LAX and a weekly HNL-PPG service thru the end of March. I'd bet this schedule will last a lot longer than the end of March... Here's the link:

https://newsroom.hawaiianairlines.com/r ... tine-order

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It’s through May 19th for all mainland routes except LAXHNL.

Add Southwest to the list. It cancelled HNL and OGG "indefinitely," which now leaves Alaska as the only one serving Hawaii non-stop. I wouldn't hold my breath on that lasting much longer given Hawaii's new quarantine rules. AS has already cancelled service to HNL for a week starting 4/1. OGG, LIH and KOA are out for all of April.
 
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Re: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Mar 29, 2020 1:40 am

Being a UA ff, thought I'd use my UA app to check traffic out of SAN to UA's hubs, obviously not looking good. Here's today schedule Saturday Mar 29th, all non stops. Listing number of flights completed or scheduled as of 6:30pm today. DEN, 2 of 5; EWR 1 of 3; IAD 1 of 2; IAH 2 of 5; LAX 2 of 4 included UAX; ORD 1 of 4; SFO 2 of 8. Seat maps on all these flights except for EWR and IAD where I actually counted, show roughly 15% occupied. For EWR, a 757-200, the red eye, only flight today, arrives tomorrow, shows 33 seats occupied, that could change since it doesn't leave for another 3+ hours. Same for IAD, flight is a 737-900, another red eye with only 16 passengers, arriving early tomorrow. Tough times!
 
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Re: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Mar 29, 2020 1:51 am

757SanCam wrote:
Being a UA ff, thought I'd use my UA app to check traffic out of SAN to UA's hubs, obviously not looking good. Here's today schedule Saturday Mar 29th, all non stops. Listing number of flights completed or scheduled as of 6:30pm today. DEN, 2 of 5; EWR 1 of 3; IAD 1 of 2; IAH 2 of 5; LAX 2 of 4 included UAX; ORD 1 of 4; SFO 2 of 8. Seat maps on all these flights except for EWR and IAD where I actually counted, show roughly 15% occupied. For EWR, a 757-200, the red eye, only flight today, arrives tomorrow, shows 33 seats occupied, that could change since it doesn't leave for another 3+ hours. Same for IAD, flight is a 737-900, another red eye with only 16 passengers, arriving early tomorrow. Tough times!


Not surprising at all I just hope UA is able to maintain a large number of these flights once all is better.
 
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Re: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Mar 29, 2020 5:32 am

I am happy to see that SAN still has 757 transcon service.
 
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Re: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Mar 29, 2020 6:18 am

drmlnr1 wrote:
Scooter wrote:
SANMAN66 wrote:

About an hour after I posted this, I saw the JL flight from NRT pass overhead. I don't know what the yields are like due to the coronavirus.


I took that flight a couple weeks ago. Load factor was about 50% on the way to NRT, but I don't know what it was like on the return since I flew another airline home. I'll be posting the video for that JAL flight on my YouTube channel next Tuesday BTW - a fantastic experience it was!


Big fan of the channel btw. What was the flying time?


Funnily enough, I was on the same flight and my arm makes a cameo in a few shots.

Time in air was 11:27, and total time was 11:52.

I took the return on JL on March 3rd, and it was even more empty coming back. The service was just as good but the catering was noticeably better. Air Soup Stock Tokyo returned to the menu for March. The chowder w/ scallop and cabbage was good enough that I'd be more than happy enough to have some on the ground.
 
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Re: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Mar 29, 2020 4:12 pm

Obviously not surprising but just received notifications that my late April san - ogg flights on WN were cancelled. Was hoping I could try and swap these for thanksgiving travel if they had opened it up by the time this flight came around
 
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Re: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Mar 29, 2020 5:21 pm

Not a big surprise: according to Enilria's OAG thread this morning, WO's SAN-YEG service is cancelled (again.) That's the 2nd year in a row but certainly not their fault. I just wonder if they will schedule it again sometime -- 2021 anyone?

I don't think it's been reported yet but I imagine TS's SAN-YUL service will also NOT happen this summer.....

Has anybody flown in or out of SAN in the last few days? Is it a ghost town yet? I bet there is plenty of parking anyway...

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Re: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Mar 29, 2020 9:25 pm

Yesterday, I posted the amount of UA flights out of SAN to their hubs. Today, I'll give a more detailed report of UA hub flights to SAN. My job entails flying a bit and prior to COVID-19, I flew home almost exclusively on Sundays. Those flights primarily were through the DEN, IAH and ORD hubs and were generally 95-100 % full. Today, obviously, is a different story. I'll list the number of non stop flights from each hub, how many are cancelled, and using flight status off the UA app, capacity of each flight and what kind of aircraft coming to SAN. As I'm compiling this at 2pm Pacific, there could be changes in the remaining flights to be completed today. Again, these are non stops from hubs only.

DEN 2 of 5 cancelled: UA 523 737-900 Passengers -21, UA 1108 737-900 - 28; UA 540 737-900 - 39.
EWR 4 of 4 cancelled:
IAD 3 of 3 cancelled.
IAH 3 of 5 cancelled: UA 390 737-900 Passengers - 34; UA 1819 737-900 - 35
LAX 3 of 4 cancelled UA 5675 CRJ 200 Passengers -21
ORD 2 of 5 cancelled; UA 1926 737-900 Passengers 26; UA 2042 737-900 - 13; UA 1889 A-320 - 24
SFO 3 of 7 cancelled; UA 2439 737-800W Passengers - 20; UA 271 737-900 - 39; UA 445 737-900 - 12; UA 1531 737-900 - 19

2 of the later flights out of SFO have super light loads, potential aircraft needed for tomorrow? On the UA thread, they are aggressively drawing down operations, so SAN could see more cuts considering percentage of passengers using UA out of SAN. Another factor which is too hard to research is that there could be some SAN passengers making connects through UA 's hubs. There were a number of flights listed after I got through the directs, but that's impossible to show numbers.

I personally had a trip planned to Munich late May on a business class fare for a vacation including a son and daughter, I bought insurance, so I'll be fine, but it's just one of many many many losses for UA, indeed, trying times for the airline industry!
 
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Re: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Mar 30, 2020 12:26 am

Will Sun Country maintain their two flights per day?
 
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Re: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:06 pm

As UA continues to reduce domestic service, this is no April fools joke. Looking at the schedule today, directs from UA's hubs to SAN is dramatically light just from Sunday. Only 2 non stops from hubs, 1 from Chicago, 1 from Denver are flying today. Every other direct from a hub, EWR, IAD, IAH, LAX, and SFO has been cancelled! There are connects but obviously not much in choice. Yesterday, I saw 1 flight from Chicago that only had 9 passengers. I'm sure there are similar situations with other cities similar in size to San Diego in UA's hub and spoke system. A very tough day for UA flying to SAN.
 
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Re: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Apr 02, 2020 12:57 am

On an odd note, any ideas why this JAL 787 is parked at gate 20 in the Google Satellite image?

https://www.google.com/maps/@32.7327294,-117.198964,692m/data=!3m1!1e3

It appears only if "globe view" is disabled.
 
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Re: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Apr 02, 2020 3:07 am

PSAatSAN4Ever wrote:
On an odd note, any ideas why this JAL 787 is parked at gate 20 in the Google Satellite image?

https://www.google.com/maps/@32.7327294,-117.198964,692m/data=!3m1!1e3

It appears only if "globe view" is disabled.


That picture was taken before the current FIS opened. Note the T2 parking garage is still under construction.
 
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Re: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Apr 02, 2020 7:57 am

Im curious to know which flights are coming in internationally into San Diego?
I'm still seeing JAL as the only long-haul destination still active. It is also bookable as I'm looking for flights to return to San Diego from South Korea.
 
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Re: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Apr 02, 2020 2:58 pm

SAN757 wrote:
PSAatSAN4Ever wrote:
On an odd note, any ideas why this JAL 787 is parked at gate 20 in the Google Satellite image?

https://www.google.com/maps/@32.7327294,-117.198964,692m/data=!3m1!1e3

It appears only if "globe view" is disabled.


That picture was taken before the current FIS opened. Note the T2 parking garage is still under construction.


Therefore, we must conclude the problem is with entirely with Google Maps, as the date of the images says "2020". Ironically, if you turn it off and go to "global view", the Cross Border CBX has even been started yet! Talk about old and outdated - and useless!
 
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Re: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Apr 02, 2020 8:35 pm

Yahnih wrote:
Im curious to know which flights are coming in internationally into San Diego?
I'm still seeing JAL as the only long-haul destination still active. It is also bookable as I'm looking for flights to return to San Diego from South Korea.


AFAIK JL operates the only nonstop TPAC flight to SAN. There might be tickets with a stop in Hawaii but there are currently quarantine orders there and I'm not sure whether you'd be able to transit w/o spending 14 days there.

How soon are you looking to return? As of now JL is still operating that route 3 days a week through April, but further cuts are possible. Japan still allows transit in their airports and there are not yet restrictions on arrivals from Japan/Korea like those that exist for Europe arrivals. Any of these could change at a moments notice and you could be back to square one if it does.
 
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Re: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Apr 03, 2020 10:57 pm

Because of the light flight schedule, planes from the north are turning final a little closer in these days just like the old days. With the airport being so quite and no automobile traffic jams on the freeways to flight anymore, reminds me of when I was a kid in 1970. Almost expect a PSA or Western 720 to scream by.
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Re: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Apr 04, 2020 1:20 am

The saddest thing I saw on the local news is they showed an aerial view of T-1, there were no planes at the gates except for a couple of Southwest planes, no cars or people curbside. It looked so lonely.They used the sound track to the late Bill Withers song: "Lean on me".
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Re: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Apr 04, 2020 4:52 pm

I wonder if SAN will shut down T-1 and consolidate operations in T-2. That's a lot of real estate to secure without much activity.
 
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Re: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Apr 05, 2020 5:10 pm

And I'm wondering how many (if any) of SAN's concessions are still op'ing? I can't imagine that any of the eateries or stores are staying open. (And how many of them will be able to re-open once things start to return to normal some day...)

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Re: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Apr 05, 2020 5:31 pm

Coronado990 wrote:
Because of the light flight schedule, planes from the north are turning final a little closer in these days just like the old days. With the airport being so quite and no automobile traffic jams on the freeways to flight anymore, reminds me of when I was a kid in 1970. Almost expect a PSA or Western 720 to scream by.


I live right under the flight path in Bankers Hill, and it is noticeably quieter with maybe 1 arrival per hour throughout the day. Also they are so lightly loaded I am seeing a noticeable difference in approach speed/altitude.

That said, I would LOVE a Western 720 to scream over my house.

One thing I missed was the Delta A333 and the 764 on their morning ATL-SAN which has been consistently canceled this week.

Sad times...
 
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Re: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Apr 07, 2020 7:48 pm

AZTECFAN wrote:
I wonder if SAN will shut down T-1 and consolidate operations in T-2. That's a lot of real estate to secure without much activity.

The financial, technical and overall undertaking this would cause SAN biggest airline Southwest. There is no way WN going to relocate to T2 at this time.

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Re: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Apr 07, 2020 11:40 pm

irelayer wrote:
Coronado990 wrote:
Because of the light flight schedule, planes from the north are turning final a little closer in these days just like the old days. With the airport being so quite and no automobile traffic jams on the freeways to flight anymore, reminds me of when I was a kid in 1970. Almost expect a PSA or Western 720 to scream by.


I live right under the flight path in Bankers Hill, and it is noticeably quieter with maybe 1 arrival per hour throughout the day. Also they are so lightly loaded I am seeing a noticeable difference in approach speed/altitude.

That said, I would LOVE a Western 720 to scream over my house.

One thing I missed was the Delta A333 and the 764 on their morning ATL-SAN which has been consistently canceled this week.

Sad times...


DL is now down to 9 flights a day here. All Airbus narrow bodies. No more JFK/LAX/LAS. No more redeyes.
 
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Re: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Apr 08, 2020 2:48 pm

Starting today, Spirit will operate only one flight to San Diego, a daily frequency to Las Vegas. https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-05apr20/
 
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Re: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Apr 13, 2020 7:21 pm

I was in little italy this morning and, unless I missed one, I did not see or hear a single arrival between 8:45 am (southwest arrival from sacramento) and 9:40 am (alaska/skywest arrival from spokane). Was such a eerie and sad silence :(.
 
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Re: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Apr 13, 2020 8:23 pm

ajlombardi2 wrote:
I was in little italy this morning and, unless I missed one, I did not see or hear a single arrival between 8:45 am (southwest arrival from sacramento) and 9:40 am (alaska/skywest arrival from spokane). Was such a eerie and sad silence :(.


Yep, there were no arrivals for nearly an hour. Wow.
 
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Re: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Apr 14, 2020 10:38 pm

Are Gates 20 and 21 still being used by Alaska or are these gates for aircraft parking only?
 
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Re: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Apr 15, 2020 5:28 am

wnflyguy wrote:
AZTECFAN wrote:
I wonder if SAN will shut down T-1 and consolidate operations in T-2. That's a lot of real estate to secure without much activity.

The financial, technical and overall undertaking this would cause SAN biggest airline Southwest. There is no way WN going to relocate to T2 at this time.

Flyguy


They did close Checkpoint 5 (T2E) at the request of TSA due to low passenger counts. I could see them closing the banjo for 11-18 since most are CUTE and perhaps working something out with WN. I believe Gates 1-2 were closed last month.
 
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Re: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Apr 17, 2020 5:17 pm

A strange, 747 flight just came across the southbay. It was a Kalitta Air flight non-stop from Belgium to North Island. Here's the flightradar link: https://fr24.com/CMB592/245ed505

The plane came by very low. I'm hoping someone caught some pictures from the Hotel Del. The plane must've come by at eye level at the highrise condos there.

That aircraft is gonna take off from North Island sooner or later. Maybe someone can catch the departure on video?
 
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Re: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Apr 17, 2020 7:22 pm

vedatil4 wrote:
A strange, 747 flight just came across the southbay. It was a Kalitta Air flight non-stop from Belgium to North Island. Here's the flightradar link: https://fr24.com/CMB592/245ed505

The plane came by very low. I'm hoping someone caught some pictures from the Hotel Del. The plane must've come by at eye level at the highrise condos there.

That aircraft is gonna take off from North Island sooner or later. Maybe someone can catch the departure on video?


With Hotel Del being closed, don't count on any pics from there :-(
 
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Re: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Apr 17, 2020 7:41 pm

North Island departures are tricky if you're a civilian because they almost always head straight out over the water from the north-south runway. Maybe if you were at the Cabrillo lighthouse you could catch a distant glimpse, but that probably isn't open either.
 
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Re: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Apr 17, 2020 11:14 pm

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North Island departures are tricky if you're a civilian because they almost always head straight out over the water from the north-south runway. Maybe if you were at the Cabrillo lighthouse you could catch a distant glimpse, but that probably isn't open either.


I can tell you it was exciting to see a 747 flying low over H st in Chula Vista.

In this post 9/11 world, for a split second, I thought it might be a terrorist attack.

It's a good thing the Hotel Del is deserted. I'm sure people there would've been startled to see a 747 all of a sudden. The flight tracked almost right over the pool.
 
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Re: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Apr 25, 2020 12:30 am

Looks like we're going to be shuffling terminals on May 7. T2E will be closed (gates 20-32). American and Alaska are temporarily moving counters to T2W formerly used by international airlines and will use CUTE gates and gates going unused by Delta and United.

T1 is closing Checkpoint 2 (gates 3-7). Checkpoint 1 (gates 1 & 2) was already closed. Southwest goes to CUTE gates, which are underused by F9, NK, B6, SY and G4.
 
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Re: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Apr 25, 2020 11:43 pm

cheapflier wrote:
Looks like we're going to be shuffling terminals on May 7. T2E will be closed (gates 20-32). American and Alaska are temporarily moving counters to T2W formerly used by international airlines and will use CUTE gates and gates going unused by Delta and United.

T1 is closing Checkpoint 2 (gates 3-7). Checkpoint 1 (gates 1 & 2) was already closed. Southwest goes to CUTE gates, which are underused by F9, NK, B6, SY and G4.

Thanks for the update, cheap'. It makes sense to consolidate everything in as small an area as possible -- cuts down on all utilities, cleaning services, TSA, etc. With CUTE gates, it's just that much easier to move the cx around temporarily.

FYI, I made a turn sked for AS for this week (specifically 4/22) and they scheduled ~17 "daily" departures, to AUS, EWR, FAT, GEG, MRY, PAE, PDX, SEA,SFO, SJC, SMF & STS only. Therefore, about 14 of AS's pre-virus destinations are not currently served from SAN. Four of those "daily" departures - primarily SEA - are served by either A321s or Boeings -- everything else is by EMJs. Some of the "scheduled" departures are cancelled day-by-day so I'm not saying every day this month, or even this week, has seen ~17 departures, certainly fewer.

Unfortunately, I expect a similar turn schedule in mid-May will show even less departures and remaining routes although last time I checked, service to all 4 Hawaiian islands was supposed to show up (less than daily on all routes of course) in May.

Hang in there everyone, and stay healthy and safe.

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Re: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat May 02, 2020 8:50 pm

I see that some of our peer domestic airport threads are continuing to post pax stats, so I thought I'd present the March numbers for SAN (which were just posted the other day at SAN.org.)

According to the SDIA folks, the first half of March continued at the growth pace of the beginning of the year, about +6% (which is what we were seeing in January and February and which is terrific!) But then, around 3/12 to 3/19, the virus took hold of civil aviation -- as well as everything else -- in San Diego, and things went south. That being said, here is the sad news regarding the March stats for SAN:

TL pax for March 2020: 944,758 (down 55% y-o-y);
TL pax for 2020 thru March: 4,657,162 (down 17% y-o-y);
TL Int'l pax for March: 39,730 (down 56% y-o-y);
TL Int'l pax for 2020 thru March: down 18%;
Estimated overall Load Factor for March: 43.9% (down 41% y-o-y!);
TL Int'l pax using the FIS facilities in March: 13,165 (down 54% y-o-y) representing 1.4% of SAN's TL traffic;
TL op's (all types) for SAN for March: 16,457 (down 14.5%);
TL Int'l op's at our FIS gates for March: 122 (down 30%)
Some carriers' market shares for March (with Feb in parentheses): WN - 40.7% (40.9%), AS - 13.5% (13.4%), DL - 12.2% (11.3%) & UA - 11.9% (12.2%);
Int'l cargo for March: 851 tons (down 2%.)

For anyone interested in the full report on March, here's the link: https://www.san.org/DesktopModules/Brin ... &TabId=403

Although these numbers are distressing, I will say that they don't seem as horrible as some I've seen at other airports; OTOH, I'm sure there are airports with better numbers. The bottom line is, they're all awful and depressing and I expect April will be much worse, with May, well who knows at this point...

I think there are some interesting things in SAN's numbers but I'll end now and let anybody else interested comment.

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Re: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat May 02, 2020 9:36 pm

WN will be down to 31 flights a day on May 18 with up to 6 planes on the ground at one time about noon.

MDW x1
SFO x3
SJC x4
DAL x2
DEN x4
PHX x4
SMF x5
OAK x3
RNO x1
STL x1
LAS x2
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Re: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun May 03, 2020 5:55 pm

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WN will be down to 31 flights a day on May 18 with up to 6 planes on the ground at one time about noon.

Thanks for that 'flyer'. Following your lead, I created a turn sked for AS for the same date with these results:
AUS x1
BOI x1
BOS x1
PAE x1
FAT x1
HNL x.6 (4 days/week)
MRY x1
EWR x1
PDX x4
SMF x2
SFO x3
SJC x2
STS x1
SEA x6 (inc 2 daily A321 r/t)
GEG x1
TL: ~27 flights/day inc ~12 RONs each night! It looks to me like AS will need 4-5 functional gates to operate this sked.

This is up quite a bit over the April sked and adds in several cities which did not see any AS service last month. I'm glad to see optimism from AS and WN. All-in-all, it looks very impressive BUT this will undoubtedly be a core schedule which will be trimmed daily if the loads are poor and the continuing ops don't require the a/c in a particular place at a particular time. (It's also very possible that this sked might be drastically cut as May 18 approaches...)

The pax stats, as well as these 2 examples of proposed skeds by the 2 leading cx at SAN, look to me like they both plan on remaining the leaders in market share and op's at SDIA. I just hope these plans more-or-less hold together and SAN sees things start heading upward quickly and steadily.

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Re: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu May 07, 2020 7:10 pm

There was a news segment last night about flights to San Diego being cut. :-(

https://www.cbs8.com/article/travel/cor ... 408e9f5303

For old time's sake I drove by the airport last night. It was a ghost town. Very sad.
 
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Re: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri May 08, 2020 2:06 pm

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That said, I would LOVE a Western 720 to scream over my house.

:alert: How about an Eastern 767 'pandemic redeye' instead? :o

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Re: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri May 08, 2020 6:00 pm

Devilfish wrote:
irelayer wrote:
That said, I would LOVE a Western 720 to scream over my house.

:alert: How about an Eastern 767 'pandemic redeye' instead? :o


Ok, ok, so we don't get PAL at SAN but I guess we can't complain about that now that we will be seeing this new wide body in less than a month!

(Thanks for the heads up Devil'; I hadn't even noticed that EA thread yet... For the record, I'd sure rather see that big beautiful Philippine Sunburst lining up for a runway 27 landing over Balboa Park any day!)

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Re: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat May 09, 2020 4:00 am

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I guess we can't complain about that now that we will be seeing this new wide body in less than a month!

I wouldn't hold my breath...there's an insinuation already in the other thread that it's just a scheme to benefit from the Cares Act.

SANFan wrote:
Thanks for the heads up Devil'; I hadn't even noticed that EA thread yet... For the record, I'd sure rather see that big beautiful Philippine Sunburst lining up for a runway 27 landing over Balboa Park any day!

Por nada. You can count the latter as a blessing since all PAL flights between the U.S. and R.P. nowadays are mostly COVID-19 related. Could mean your area is not as badly affected. :crossfingers: And given the current crisis, that PR wish is fading faster further by the day.
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Re: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat May 09, 2020 5:26 pm

Posted this in the SMF thread as well...

Some observations from my first “lockdown” trip yesterday: Southwest, SAN-SMF-SAN. Prior to this, my last trip was March 11 to Fresno. Since then, I have cancelled eight trips into SMF and another half dozen to various points throughout the west.

My last itinerary to SMF was on Alaska, Feb 21-Feb 25, so it’s been well over two months since I’d flown into Sacramento.

What a difference…

First, and surprising no one, the San Diego’s Terminal 1 was nearly deserted. As I walked through, I counted precisely four people on my way to Pier 2. Of note, all T1 operations have been consolidated into P2, with P1 and Gates 1-2 completely closed with no access permitted.

Once through TSA (maybe 2 minutes – “delay” caused by social distancing requirements), I went up the escalator to find Pete’s Coffee and the KUSI Newsstand/sundries stores open. The main bar/restaurant was closed.

Two Southwest flights were scheduled, mine to Sacramento and next door a flight to Phoenix. I was a bit surprised as I expected maybe 10-12 people for my flight, but was greeted by 20-25 passengers at each gate. The mix was of all ages, including children and elderly, which I also found surprising. Everyone was wearing a mask and keeping their distance.

By the time my flight boarded, I counted 32 pax in the PHX holding area. I couldn't get a final count as we boarded first.

Southwest took passengers in groups of ten and social distancing was again implemented as we approached the agent. The gloved agent would not touch your ticket, nor did she assist anyone having difficulty with the phone-reader. It wasn’t a big deal…

Once on board I noted that the first four rows on our 737-700 were blocked-off using the tray tables and I grabbed a window seat in Row 5. The FAs asked everyone to alternate rows if possible and only allowed groups traveling together to sit in same row on either side.

The last time you would see a FA was just prior to take-off as they made their last-minute checks. There was no service, not even water. That’s not a complaint, just an observation.

I counted 39 passengers, which again, was significantly more than I expected. It was the quietest flight I’ve ever been on…

Returning from Sacramento was similar, the only difference I noted were fewer people wearing masks on the return. At SMF Terminal B, I saw the sundry shop open plus Dos Coyotes take-out. They had a few people in each, which is encouraging.

Southwest had five jets parked on ramp at SMF and Alaska had two 737s parked. There were three Southwest jets at gates when I got to airport: one for Las Vegas, one for Burbank and mine. Las Vegas flight left before I arrived at gate, but the Burbank flight looked to have about 30 people waiting. I counted 38 passengers on my return to San Diego. While I couldn’t see all of Terminal A, I counted 2 Delta jets at gates and one United.

I had the same flight experience as my outbound, with one notable exception. The FAs noted that San Diego County has a mask requirement and told passengers they would be happy to supply them with masks upon exiting the plane if needed. Southwest always steps-up!

While I prefer Alaska on this route, through May 17, Alaska only has one RT per day, and the timing is impossible for one-day business. Starting May 18, it goes to 2x/day and June 1, 3x/day. Southwest offers five flights/day at present with convenient times for business each way.

My next flight to SMF is scheduled for 6/2 on Alaska. This is a multi-day trip and taking it will depend on hotel availability. Hope we're all starting to get back to work by then.

Stay well everyone…
 
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Re: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat May 09, 2020 8:41 pm

SANfan or anyone else: Do you have a link to the Airport Development Plan, Final EIR, certified back in January?
The current page on san.org shows a link but all I see is the Intro, Comments, and Corrections & Additions, not the full report.
Thanks.
 
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Re: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun May 10, 2020 7:55 pm

friendlyskies22 wrote:
SANfan or anyone else: Do you have a link to the Airport Development Plan, Final EIR, certified back in January?
The current page on san.org shows a link but all I see is the Intro, Comments, and Corrections & Additions, not the full report.
Thanks.


Hey friendly', looking for some curl-up-by-the-fire reading material during the downtime?

I'm not sure exactly what you found but here's a link to the Final EIR which also containd a link to the 'recirculated' draft EIR as well. I think this may get you to what you want to see. https://www.san.org/Airport-Projects/En ... -final-eir

Here's also a link to the January 9, 2020 SDCRAA Board Meeting which includes the presentation of the latest (at that time anyway) Airport Development Plan, including all the good stuff regarding the replacement of T1, et al. (This to me was the best information regarding that project!) The link:
https://www.san.org/Airport-Authority/M ... ryId=13304

I'm wondering if anything regarding this entire T1 project is going to be changed now that the world is in the situation it is? I'm behind on watching the latest board meetings so I'm going to see if anything is happening, be it timing delays/changes, scope-of-project reductions, rethinking budgets, etc.

Good reading!

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Re: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon May 11, 2020 4:23 am

Re: airport development plan:
Thanks for the info SanFan, but both those links go to the abbreviated report that I was talking about. The full report that I'm sure I saw
on the SAN.org site several months ago had a lot more detail and I believe incorporated all those corrections seen on the current site.
Did you ever download the whole report?
My current interest is the outcome of the 1931 UA hangar and it's move destination on the airport.
I agree, the $3B Term 1 project could be a jeopardy (like the LAX Term 9 project & the massive ORD project) when the results of
carriers downsizing after this pandemic are known.
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Re: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon May 11, 2020 8:09 am

What are the latest projections on return of international service? Have JL, BA, or LH announced their intentions? Missed out on my last legit shot to catch a 747 out of SAN. Was previously booked to go out this summer.
 
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Re: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon May 11, 2020 5:59 pm

friendlyskies22 wrote:
Re: airport development plan:
Thanks for the info SanFan, but both those links go to the abbreviated report that I was talking about. The full report that I'm sure I saw
on the SAN.org site several months ago had a lot more detail and I believe incorporated all those corrections seen on the current site.
Did you ever download the whole report?
My current interest is the outcome of the 1931 UA hangar and it's move destination on the airport.
I agree, the $3B Term 1 project could be a jeopardy (like the LAX Term 9 project & the massive ORD project) when the results of
carriers downsizing after this pandemic are known.
Thanks.

Sorry friendly', I did not download the entire report -- only a few of the slides from the bm presentation on Jan 9 that summarized it all for me. You could try sending an inquiry to the media person at SAN and see if he can direct you to the right place for the full report, assuming it hasn't been pulled. Link: https://www.san.org/news

Regarding the UA hanger relo, I know it was mentioned in the project but I don't think the exact location -- other than "the north side of the field" somewhere -- was specified or had even been determined at that time. I'll see if I can find anything else regarding that.

Yeah, what a horrible shame it would be if the long-sought T1 Project is shelved, drastically delayed or altered but it wouldn't surprise me if something did happen to it...

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Re: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon May 11, 2020 7:18 pm

Hey friendly', check your PMs.

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Re: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon May 11, 2020 10:37 pm

Whether projects like T1 go forward will depend on how the airport evaluates the trade offs. Fewer passengers and flights make it logistically easier to do the work, but harder to pay for with less revenue coming in. The revenue decline will put pressure to delay the project, but if they do find a way to proceed that will mean the airport will be in a better position to handle the traffic as it returns to pre-COVID levels.
 
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Re: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue May 12, 2020 2:59 pm

Here is the text of the letter I received from Kimberly Becker, CEO of San Diego Airport:

Dear friends and colleagues,

I hope you are doing well and staying healthy during these extraordinary times. I wanted to update you on how San Diego International Airport is continuing to adjust to the impacts of COVID-19, as well as provide insight on our recovery plans.

As you may know, the airport has remained open as a critical piece of the nation’s transportation infrastructure, helping to move much-needed supplies and cargo and assisting those with essential travel needs. Obviously, our passenger volumes have decreased significantly, and for good reason. But we want you to know that when air travelers are ready to return to SAN in greater numbers, we will be ready with a series of modifications and protocols to help ensure the health and safety of our passengers and employees.

As you can imagine, we’ve been fielding a constant stream of questions from the community, our partner agencies and stakeholders such as yourselves. I’d like to share some of the most frequently asked questions with you.

What is the airport doing to make air travel as safe as possible in light of the coronavirus?

At SAN, we are constantly adjusting our operations to better ensure health and safety in light of COVID-19. Our airlines and concessionaires are beginning to install plexiglass sneeze guards at key points throughout the terminals, and the Airport Authority is doing the same in our offices. Other efforts include the installation of floor decals to illustrate the six-foot social distancing requirements, signage and video display messages throughout the terminals that serve as a reminder to practice preventive health measures, and continued increased cleaning of high touch points.

Facial coverings are required for all passengers, visitors, tenants, contractors and employees while on airport property, excluding those with a medical or mental health condition, or developmental disability that prevents wearing a facial covering. Most airlines are also requiring facial coverings to board.

Is anyone at all traveling these days?

As you may have read in the news, the number of people through our TSA checkpoints is down about 95 percent from this time last year. And we anticipate departing passenger volume in fiscal year 2021 will be about half of the 13 million we expected pre-virus.

And yet, as county and state leaders ease some restrictions, we’ve begun to see air travel cautiously pick up. On May 1 we saw more than 2,000 departing passengers, and on May 7 we had 2,500 departing passengers. This is still only about 5 percent of a typical, pre-virus day, but it represents a small, measurable improvement.

If I need to travel during this time, or pick someone up at the airport, what should I know and how should I prepare?

If you have an essential travel need, it is important to stay in close contact with your airline as the date of your flight approaches. Airline schedules have been fluctuating unpredictably. Although there are no crowds at the airport, please leave ample time to get to the airport and pass through security.

Wear a facial covering, as it is required on airport property.

We are temporarily consolidating some terminal operations to reduce costs and help preserve TSA resources during a time of greatly reduced demand for travel. This will ensure we can continue to provide a safe and efficient experience for those with essential travel needs. Thank you for your patience and understanding.

Effective May 7, Terminal 1 East and Terminal 2 East are closed to passenger operations. Southwest Airlines is still using its existing ticket counters in Terminal 1 East; however, its flights now operate out of the Terminal 1 West rotunda.

In Terminal 2, Alaska Airlines and American Airlines have moved their ticketing and gate operations to Terminal 2 West. Their ticket counters can now be found next to Delta.

We are monitoring the situation in the terminals on a continual basis. The decision to reopen Terminal 1 East and Terminal 2 East will be based on future flight schedules, passenger volumes and social distancing requirements.

Our concessions offerings are limited to essential items such as bottled water, to-go snacks and over-the-counter medicines.

Our cell phone lot is temporarily closed, however, you can wait for 10 minutes at no charge in our terminal parking lots.

The City is planning some major resurfacing work on Harbor Drive in the coming days and weeks. Be prepared for potential delays.

How have the airport’s finances been impacted by the crisis?

Due to the dramatic drops we’ve seen in airline service and passengers through the terminal, we’ve implemented a Financial Resilience Plan which enacts measures to trim expenses, including a hiring freeze, a reduction in non-essential expenses and delaying $170 million worth of certain non-mission critical capital improvement projects. We have also aggressively cut our costs and estimate saving at least $22 million in this fiscal year (ending June 30). We have also taken a very hard look at reducing expenses for the FY21 budget.

To conserve energy, water and other resources during this time of low demand, we have closed some areas inside the terminals and also parking facilities, in addition to curtailing shuttle services. Those will re-open and restart as needed, always following careful consideration of health and safety.

Has the airport received federal assistance?

In April, San Diego International Airport was awarded $91 million through the CARES Act. The Airport Authority plans to use the funds for operating expenses and airport debt payments. The award of these funds will be tremendously helpful as we navigate the next fiscal year. We will proceed with caution and continue to make wise and prudent financial decisions as we navigate this crisis.

What is the status of the effort to replace Terminal 1?

We are proceeding cautiously with the Airport Development Plan (ADP), which is still awaiting federal environmental review and state Coastal Commission permits. It’s important to note we are constantly evaluating and re-evaluating impacts of COVID-19 on the ADP and all other projects and programs at the airport. The ADP contains several decision points, and as we approach each one, we have the opportunity to weigh all factors and determine the best course of action moving forward. The Airport Authority remains in close contact with tenants, stakeholders and partner agencies on this critically needed project.

In closing, I also wanted you to know that I was asked by San Diego Mayor Kevin L. Faulconer and County Board of Supervisors Chairman Greg Cox to join an advisory group charged with preparing recommendations for the region’s economic reactivation and recovery. I’ve been honored to be a part of this collaborative group and work with leaders as we find ways to safely return to a new normal.

I feel confident San Diego will always be a desirable place to visit. When you’re ready to fly again, we’ll be ready to serve you.

Sincerely,

Kimberly J. Becker

President / CEO

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