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SpaceshipDC10
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Re: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat May 23, 2020 12:16 pm

eurotrader85 wrote:
(Entschuldigung, mein Schweizer Deutsch ist nicht so gut) :D


That's German not Schwitzer Dütsch.
 
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Re: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat May 23, 2020 6:05 pm

dodoma wrote:
Here's the video (in German) detailing the construction: https://vbvisual.ch/projektfilme/neues-dock-a/

dodoman, many thanks for sharing the video, absolutely fascinating and informative as I was not personally aware this was being conceived.
 
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Re: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat May 23, 2020 7:45 pm

eurotrader85 wrote:
dodoma wrote:
Zurich Airport is planning to replace Terminal A with a taller and wider one.

Here's the video (in German) detailing the construction: https://vbvisual.ch/projektfilme/neues-dock-a/

Quick breakdown:

- New Terminal is being built right next to the old one
- once it's been built, the old one will be demolished
- the freed up space is used for new stands connected to the new terminal
- the extra space between Terminal A and B is used for 5 extra stands to compensate for the 7 that are going to be decommissioned
- it will take several years to finish (including a couple of years to prepare foundations)


Great video, do I understand right that there will be a passport control area allowing non-schengen intercontinental flights, like terminal E? Also how many extra gates overall will be added? (Entschuldigung, mein Schweizer Deutsch ist nicht so gut) :D


Yes there will be an extension to the passport control area which will lead into an extra non-schengen floor on terminal A. So basically it will be: 1st floor for Schengen flights, 2nd floor for transit / arriving passengers and 3rd floor for non-schengen flights.

As for the extra gates I counted 2 extra gates on the north side and another one on the south side, so that's 3 more jet bridges. Counting the reduced number of outside stands (minus 2) that's a net total of +1.
 
Bhoy
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Re: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat May 23, 2020 9:59 pm

dodoma wrote:
Yes there will be an extension to the passport control area which will lead into an extra non-schengen floor on terminal A. So basically it will be: 1st floor for Schengen flights, 2nd floor for transit / arriving passengers and 3rd floor for non-schengen flights.

As for the extra gates I counted 2 extra gates on the north side and another one on the south side, so that's 3 more jet bridges. Counting the reduced number of outside stands (minus 2) that's a net total of +1.


There's a little bit more to it than that -

Currently, the A Pier has 10 Hard Stands on the North Side, and 7 on the South Side, as well as 7 Remote Stands between the Pier and Runway 28, all Category 'C' (up to 36m wingspan). 2 of the North Side of Pier B's Hard Stands can theoretically be used up to Category 'E' (up to 65m wingspan).

The New Pier creates 8 Category 'C' Hard Stands on the South Side, as well as 5 Category 'C' Remote Stands between Piers A and B. Due to the clearance between the two Piers and the Remote Stands, Pier B will be limited to category 'C' Hard Stands on it's North Side (although the South Side will be unaffected). The old Remote Stands towards Runway 28 will be decommissioned as that space will be needed for the new Taxiways. The North Side of the new A Pier will have Stands that can be configured either as 12 Category 'C' Hard Stands, or 8 Category 'E' Hard Stands (or a mixture of both).

So overall, Capacity goes from 24 Category 'C' Stands (and 2 Category 'E' Stands on the B Pier) to 25 Category 'C' Stands (with the 2 Category 'E' stands on Pier B limited to Category 'C'), OR 13 Category 'C' Stands plus 8 Category 'E' Stands, so there could actually be fewer Stands available near the Terminal [although there would be further Bus Gates available for remote Stands away from the main Apron] if used for the Longhaul Aircraft.

As regards the Levels, in the Terminal, they talk about a Schengen and a Non-Schengen level, with an Arrivals Corridor as a Mezzanine level between the two, linked to an expansion of the existing Customs Hall for Arriving/Transiting Passengers (This is only just touched on by the Video, as it's focusing more on how the building will be carried out, so there may well be more behind the scenes stuff about how this would all be achieved. Presumably, Schengen arrivals could exit straight to the Departures level for transfers rather than needing the Arrivals corridor)
 
eurotrader85
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Re: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun May 24, 2020 3:08 am

SpaceshipDC10 wrote:
eurotrader85 wrote:
(Entschuldigung, mein Schweizer Deutsch ist nicht so gut) :D


That's German not Schwitzer Dütsch.


Sorry, I stand corrected.
 
Someone83
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Re: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun May 24, 2020 5:36 am

Isn't it more building a new pier A, and not really a terminal ;)

Anyway, looks like the current remote stands outside the current pier A will be moved to the area near SR Technic? And the pier will be build in modules on the other side of the airport?
 
HBChris
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Re: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun May 24, 2020 9:31 am

Bhoy wrote:
dodoma wrote:
So overall, Capacity goes from 24 Category 'C' Stands (and 2 Category 'E' Stands on the B Pier) to 25 Category 'C' Stands (with the 2 Category 'E' stands on Pier B limited to Category 'C'), OR 13 Category 'C' Stands plus 8 Category 'E' Stands, so there could actually be fewer Stands available near the Terminal [although there would be further Bus Gates available for remote Stands away from the main Apron] if used for the Longhaul Aircraft.

I don't see the point about fewer stands near the terminal. That's only the case if they increase the ratio of code E aircraft. Is that what you meant? Overall they gain a maximum of 3 code C stands at the piers. When counting in the remote stands they gain only 1 code C (detailed numbers below)

One important thing not mentioned in the video is that the non-Schengen level is only an option and might be built at a later stage. I assume that they won't add an additional level to the building later but rather built only the shell initially and do the interior fittings later for the non-Schengen level.

Some more details can be found here: https://espazium.s3.eu-central-1.amazon ... equali.pdf (German). It's the document describing the competition for the architecture/planning. Most of it is not very interesting but the first couple of pages describe the project in general including the fact that non-Schengen is optional. Also it mentions 2024-2026 as the timeframe for the main construction of pier A, the tower, changes to the baggage sorting system, the extension of the immigration hall and a new centralized bus arrival.


Stands (only those effected by the project):
Remote stands (old: north of A, new: between A and B peer)
Old: 7xC
New: 5xC

Pier A:
Old: 17xC *
New: 20xC OR 8xC (south) plus 8xE (north)

Pier B:
Old: 9xC OR 6xE (4 north, 2 south)
New: 9xC OR 6xC (north) plus 2xE (south)

Total - including remote stands
Old: 33xC OR 24xC plus 6xE
New: 34xC OR 19xC plus 10xE

Total - pier A/B only
Old: 26xC OR 17xC plus 6xE
New: 29xC OR 14xC plus 10xE

* some stands on the old Pier A could be used for D/E aircraft but this was rarely used since Dock is Schengen only and that's practically only Code C aircraft nowadays.

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