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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Thu May 14, 2020 2:32 am

jplatts wrote:
Is WN likely to take advantage of the additional slots that will become available at SNA starting on January 1, 2021? Is WN likely to re-add any previously dropped nonstop routes out of SNA such as SNA-AUS/MDW/DAL/HOU in its upcoming schedule extension?


I wouldn't be shocked if any adds to SNA aren't a part of this schedule extension, especially since we really don't know where things will stand re: COVID19 impact on flying at that time. California's lockdown is far stricter than most states and there's a good probability that the state, particularly LA/Orange County, might be lagging as far reopening their respective economies compared to other states.
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Tue May 19, 2020 12:51 pm

Good news from WN today:
LFs & bookings topping expectations
Net positive bookings through May 18
LF expected to be 35-45% for June which is impressive given they are only cutting capacity by 45%
Cash burn down to $20M by June, enough cash on hand for nearly 2 years

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/south ... 2020-05-19
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Tue May 19, 2020 1:57 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
Good news from WN today:
LFs & bookings topping expectations
Net positive bookings through May 18
LF expected to be 35-45% for June which is impressive given they are only cutting capacity by 45%
Cash burn down to $20M by June, enough cash on hand for nearly 2 years

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/south ... 2020-05-19


That is great news!
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Wed May 20, 2020 1:47 am

Midwestindy wrote:
Good news from WN today:
LFs & bookings topping expectations
Net positive bookings through May 18
LF expected to be 35-45% for June which is impressive given they are only cutting capacity by 45%
Cash burn down to $20M by June, enough cash on hand for nearly 2 years

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/south ... 2020-05-19


Is this a sign that their initially ridiculed strategy of not cutting as much as the others is paying off?

I would think UADL have much worse numbers compared to normal (instead perhaps load factor) than WN/AA do.

Any good news is still good news for everyone.
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Wed May 20, 2020 3:31 am

SumChristianus wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
Good news from WN today:
LFs & bookings topping expectations
Net positive bookings through May 18
LF expected to be 35-45% for June which is impressive given they are only cutting capacity by 45%
Cash burn down to $20M by June, enough cash on hand for nearly 2 years

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/south ... 2020-05-19


Is this a sign that their initially ridiculed strategy of not cutting as much as the others is paying off?

I would think UADL have much worse numbers compared to normal (instead perhaps load factor) than WN/AA do.

Any good news is still good news for everyone.


In WN’s case, it’s probably more of a combination that A) they have been running big sales, double points promotions, and email blasts throughout the past few months and B) they likely have a comparatively higher % of leisure traffic compared to the other 3

If AA starts seeing loads increasing more so than UA and DL, then I’d say the connections theory definitely holds some weight too.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Wed May 20, 2020 2:17 pm

WN has scheduled additional IND-ATL/TPA/MCO flights for Memorial day weekend.

Looks like CMH-RSW/ATL, BNA-TPA, MKE-TPA, BUF-TPA, and likely more are also seeing at least one additional flight this weekend
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Wed May 20, 2020 2:23 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
WN has scheduled additional IND-ATL/TPA/MCO flights for Memorial day weekend.

Looks like CMH-RSW/ATL, BNA-TPA, MKE-TPA, BUF-TPA, and likely more are also seeing at least one additional flight this weekend


I think there are a fair amount of extra flights added to florida like you say. I think they are all 6XXX flight numbers

STL-RSW
STL-ECP
Some extra DAL-PNS among others
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Wed May 20, 2020 5:32 pm

I was surprised to see a few 6XXX flights added between LAS and DAL for Memorial Day weekend despite Las Vegas still being shut down.
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Wed May 20, 2020 7:28 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
WN has scheduled additional IND-ATL/TPA/MCO flights for Memorial day weekend.

Looks like CMH-RSW/ATL, BNA-TPA, MKE-TPA, BUF-TPA, and likely more are also seeing at least one additional flight this weekend


I think there are a fair amount of extra flights added to florida like you say. I think they are all 6XXX flight numbers

STL-RSW
STL-ECP
Some extra DAL-PNS among others



Florida beaches are fully open. People ready to do something.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Thu May 21, 2020 2:35 pm

More June flights were added last night, mostly on Thu-Sun to Florida destinations
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Thu May 21, 2020 3:33 pm

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I was surprised to see a few 6XXX flights added between LAS and DAL for Memorial Day weekend despite Las Vegas still being shut down.

I’m going to take a guess it’s for mainly west coast connections. I work an LAS flight everyday at BNA, it’s pretty much bulked out with transfer freight to the west coast along with mostly xfer bags to SLC, SNA, SJC ETC.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Thu May 21, 2020 3:35 pm

Broward county and Miami-Dade beaches remain closed!
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Thu May 21, 2020 7:22 pm

joeblow10 wrote:
SumChristianus wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
Good news from WN today:
LFs & bookings topping expectations
Net positive bookings through May 18
LF expected to be 35-45% for June which is impressive given they are only cutting capacity by 45%
Cash burn down to $20M by June, enough cash on hand for nearly 2 years

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/south ... 2020-05-19


Is this a sign that their initially ridiculed strategy of not cutting as much as the others is paying off?

I would think UADL have much worse numbers compared to normal (instead perhaps load factor) than WN/AA do.

Any good news is still good news for everyone.


In WN’s case, it’s probably more of a combination that A) they have been running big sales, double points promotions, and email blasts throughout the past few months and B) they likely have a comparatively higher % of leisure traffic compared to the other 3

If AA starts seeing loads increasing more so than UA and DL, then I’d say the connections theory definitely holds some weight too.

I’d also add their much more customer friendly cancellation policy. You can book on WN confidently knowing that if you change your mind, you’ll get your money back and not just credit towards a future flight or something of the sort.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Thu May 21, 2020 8:14 pm

Brickell305 wrote:
joeblow10 wrote:
SumChristianus wrote:

Is this a sign that their initially ridiculed strategy of not cutting as much as the others is paying off?

I would think UADL have much worse numbers compared to normal (instead perhaps load factor) than WN/AA do.

Any good news is still good news for everyone.


In WN’s case, it’s probably more of a combination that A) they have been running big sales, double points promotions, and email blasts throughout the past few months and B) they likely have a comparatively higher % of leisure traffic compared to the other 3

If AA starts seeing loads increasing more so than UA and DL, then I’d say the connections theory definitely holds some weight too.

I’d also add their much more customer friendly cancellation policy. You can book on WN confidently knowing that if you change your mind, you’ll get your money back and not just credit towards a future flight or something of the sort.


Well that's not exactly true. If you cancel, you get a travel fund -- just like on every other airline. The difference is that SW never charged you $200+ to actually use the fund. The other difference is that newly created travel funds can be used thru summer, 2022.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Fri May 22, 2020 12:27 am

How has there boarding process changed with the recent event?
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Fri May 22, 2020 12:53 am

tomaheath wrote:
How has there boarding process changed with the recent event?


They board either 10 or 20 at a time.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Fri May 22, 2020 3:56 am

bob75013 wrote:
Brickell305 wrote:
joeblow10 wrote:

In WN’s case, it’s probably more of a combination that A) they have been running big sales, double points promotions, and email blasts throughout the past few months and B) they likely have a comparatively higher % of leisure traffic compared to the other 3

If AA starts seeing loads increasing more so than UA and DL, then I’d say the connections theory definitely holds some weight too.

I’d also add their much more customer friendly cancellation policy. You can book on WN confidently knowing that if you change your mind, you’ll get your money back and not just credit towards a future flight or something of the sort.


Well that's not exactly true. If you cancel, you get a travel fund -- just like on every other airline. The difference is that SW never charged you $200+ to actually use the fund. The other difference is that newly created travel funds can be used thru summer, 2022.


That’s not exactly true either. If you purchase an Anytime or Business Select fare, you get your money back.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Fri May 22, 2020 6:56 pm

I recently flew on a WN 737-800 from SMF-LAX. We filled rows 3-10 and there were at most two individuals per row.

The rest of the aircraft was empty. I would have loved to space out more except they kept us in the first few rows for load balancing.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Fri May 22, 2020 7:00 pm

bob75013 wrote:
Brickell305 wrote:
joeblow10 wrote:

In WN’s case, it’s probably more of a combination that A) they have been running big sales, double points promotions, and email blasts throughout the past few months and B) they likely have a comparatively higher % of leisure traffic compared to the other 3

If AA starts seeing loads increasing more so than UA and DL, then I’d say the connections theory definitely holds some weight too.

I’d also add their much more customer friendly cancellation policy. You can book on WN confidently knowing that if you change your mind, you’ll get your money back and not just credit towards a future flight or something of the sort.


Well that's not exactly true. If you cancel, you get a travel fund -- just like on every other airline. The difference is that SW never charged you $200+ to actually use the fund. The other difference is that newly created travel funds can be used thru summer, 2022.


All of my VFR travel for the rest of the year (and in years past) has been booked on WN due to their cancellation policy. I don't want to jump through hoops or spend ridiculous extra amounts of money with AA or DL in case there's another wave of COVID or something else occurs.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Thu May 28, 2020 1:09 pm

Southwest has extended its schedule through January 4th
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Thu May 28, 2020 1:23 pm

Looks like OKC-ATL has been added (beginning in Dec)

Edit: Also seeing DEN-BHM, DEN-ICT, DEN-LIT

Looks like the buildup of DEN is well underway...
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Thu May 28, 2020 1:41 pm

MSP loses 5 flights/day when compared to the September 2020 schedule. Full loss of the OAK flight, -2 BWI, -1 MDW, -1 STL.
Will have 23 daily flights in Nov/Dec.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Thu May 28, 2020 1:42 pm

LGB gets 3 PHX and 1 AUS.
SNA gets 1 BNA.


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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Thu May 28, 2020 1:49 pm

OMA-ATL, BNA-SNA, & IND-STL
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Thu May 28, 2020 1:56 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
OMA-ATL, BNA-SNA, & IND-STL


IND-STL probably marks the end for Contour ever restarting this.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Thu May 28, 2020 2:19 pm

DSM-DEN goes to two daily for at least the last few weeks of this schedule. DSM will be up to 5 daily flights on WN, the most we’ve ever had.

It seems like they added a full schedule. Are they expecting travel to fully rebound by the fall and operate with a full fleet?
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Thu May 28, 2020 2:40 pm

dbo861 wrote:

It seems like they added a full schedule. Are they expecting travel to fully rebound by the fall and operate with a full fleet?


Guessing they are treating things like they are treating the MAX. Add it all in then you can cut and consolidate as needed.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Thu May 28, 2020 3:01 pm

pmanni1 wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
OMA-ATL, BNA-SNA, & IND-STL


IND-STL probably marks the end for Contour ever restarting this.


Kind of funny that 3 airlines have started or announced this 200 mile route in the past few months, where was all this interest 2-3 years ago?
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Thu May 28, 2020 3:01 pm

LGB-AUS?

Definitely did not see that one coming.

All of the DEN/STL/BNA/ATL stuff makes sense.
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Thu May 28, 2020 3:25 pm

I see MEM/PHX added, my MEM wishlist for WN is now MSY, STL, LAS, OAK, FLL, not in that order
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Thu May 28, 2020 3:32 pm

https://www.swamedia.com/releases/relea ... jan-4-2021

"As Southwest looks toward the end of 2020, the carrier is adding a more robust schedule for business travelers with more frequencies and more nonstop flight options from Phoenix, Denver, Las Vegas, and Nashville.

"Never before has Southwest been more primed to emerge as the preferred choice of corporate travel as the business climate across America begins its recovery," Watterson added.

New for the Fall and Winter
As Southwest looks toward the end of 2020, the carrier is adding a more robust schedule for business travelers with more frequencies and more nonstop flight options from Phoenix, Denver, Las Vegas, and Nashville.

"Never before has Southwest been more primed to emerge as the preferred choice of corporate travel as the business climate across America begins its recovery," Watterson added.

More Reach from Long Beach
Effective Nov. 1, 2020, Southwest will add roundtrip service nonstop betweenLong Beach and Phoenix three times daily, as well as once daily nonstop service between Long Beach and Austin.

Music City to Orange County
Effective Nov. 2, 2020, Southwest will add new nonstop service once a day (except Sundays) between Nashvilleand Orange County/Santa Ana, Calif.

The carrier also will offer nonstop service between Ontario, Calif. and Houston (Hobby) once a day (except Saturdays), beginning Nov. 1, 2020.

New Routes for Atlanta and Denver Customers
Effective Dec. 17, 2020, Southwest will add several new nonstop links between cities across the nation:

Phoenix and Memphis, Tenn. – Once daily
Denver and Birmingham, Ala. – Once daily
Denver and Wichita, Kan. – Once daily
Denver and Little Rock, Ark. – Once daily
Atlanta and Oklahoma City – Three roundtrips daily, reestablishing nonstop service previously offered in 2016
Atlanta and Omaha, Neb. – Three roundtrips daily
Atlanta and Louisville, Ky. – Three roundtrips daily, reestablishing nonstop service previously offered in 2014
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Thu May 28, 2020 3:41 pm

I'm curious to see how quickly they bring back ATL capacity. Are they going to try to challenge DL there? Quite curious what they are doing.

It's certainly not a surprise they are adding to DEN/PHX Seems like obvious places to take advantage of AA/UA weakness.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Thu May 28, 2020 3:45 pm

Looks like SNA-DAL/HOU are back on the schedule as well
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Thu May 28, 2020 4:00 pm

Maybe they see an opportunity now that DL retired their MD88/90 fleets and won't have excess aircraft to defend these routes. Starting these ATL routes with 3x daily is pretty bold.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Thu May 28, 2020 5:06 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
https://www.swamedia.com/releases/release-6574be9e1de1ccd6be82c574d7a8ce01-southwest-airlines-extends-published-flight-schedule-through-jan-4-2021

"As Southwest looks toward the end of 2020, the carrier is adding a more robust schedule for business travelers with more frequencies and more nonstop flight options from Phoenix, Denver, Las Vegas, and Nashville.

"Never before has Southwest been more primed to emerge as the preferred choice of corporate travel as the business climate across America begins its recovery," Watterson added.

New for the Fall and Winter
As Southwest looks toward the end of 2020, the carrier is adding a more robust schedule for business travelers with more frequencies and more nonstop flight options from Phoenix, Denver, Las Vegas, and Nashville.

"Never before has Southwest been more primed to emerge as the preferred choice of corporate travel as the business climate across America begins its recovery," Watterson added.

More Reach from Long Beach
Effective Nov. 1, 2020, Southwest will add roundtrip service nonstop betweenLong Beach and Phoenix three times daily, as well as once daily nonstop service between Long Beach and Austin.

Music City to Orange County
Effective Nov. 2, 2020, Southwest will add new nonstop service once a day (except Sundays) between Nashvilleand Orange County/Santa Ana, Calif.

The carrier also will offer nonstop service between Ontario, Calif. and Houston (Hobby) once a day (except Saturdays), beginning Nov. 1, 2020.

New Routes for Atlanta and Denver Customers
Effective Dec. 17, 2020, Southwest will add several new nonstop links between cities across the nation:

Phoenix and Memphis, Tenn. – Once daily
Denver and Birmingham, Ala. – Once daily
Denver and Wichita, Kan. – Once daily
Denver and Little Rock, Ark. – Once daily
Atlanta and Oklahoma City – Three roundtrips daily, reestablishing nonstop service previously offered in 2016
Atlanta and Omaha, Neb. – Three roundtrips daily
Atlanta and Louisville, Ky. – Three roundtrips daily, reestablishing nonstop service previously offered in 2014


Those are some routes I definitely did not see coming.

I think the reason why WN is starting LGB-AUS and LGB-PHX is because they are attempting to become the largest carrier at LGB. I could probably see AA leaving the market if WN does really well on LGB-PHX. As for LGB-AUS, WN is probably trying to force B6 to give up some slots at LGB.

As for the ATL routes, I believe that since DL is suffering from COVID-19, WN is trying to become a larger carrier in ATL as well.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Thu May 28, 2020 5:11 pm

DEN-BHM will be nice.

Hope it can build to a couple of flights a day.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Thu May 28, 2020 5:32 pm

Iggy500 wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
https://www.swamedia.com/releases/release-6574be9e1de1ccd6be82c574d7a8ce01-southwest-airlines-extends-published-flight-schedule-through-jan-4-2021

"As Southwest looks toward the end of 2020, the carrier is adding a more robust schedule for business travelers with more frequencies and more nonstop flight options from Phoenix, Denver, Las Vegas, and Nashville.

"Never before has Southwest been more primed to emerge as the preferred choice of corporate travel as the business climate across America begins its recovery," Watterson added.

New for the Fall and Winter
As Southwest looks toward the end of 2020, the carrier is adding a more robust schedule for business travelers with more frequencies and more nonstop flight options from Phoenix, Denver, Las Vegas, and Nashville.

"Never before has Southwest been more primed to emerge as the preferred choice of corporate travel as the business climate across America begins its recovery," Watterson added.

More Reach from Long Beach
Effective Nov. 1, 2020, Southwest will add roundtrip service nonstop betweenLong Beach and Phoenix three times daily, as well as once daily nonstop service between Long Beach and Austin.

Music City to Orange County
Effective Nov. 2, 2020, Southwest will add new nonstop service once a day (except Sundays) between Nashvilleand Orange County/Santa Ana, Calif.

The carrier also will offer nonstop service between Ontario, Calif. and Houston (Hobby) once a day (except Saturdays), beginning Nov. 1, 2020.

New Routes for Atlanta and Denver Customers
Effective Dec. 17, 2020, Southwest will add several new nonstop links between cities across the nation:

Phoenix and Memphis, Tenn. – Once daily
Denver and Birmingham, Ala. – Once daily
Denver and Wichita, Kan. – Once daily
Denver and Little Rock, Ark. – Once daily
Atlanta and Oklahoma City – Three roundtrips daily, reestablishing nonstop service previously offered in 2016
Atlanta and Omaha, Neb. – Three roundtrips daily
Atlanta and Louisville, Ky. – Three roundtrips daily, reestablishing nonstop service previously offered in 2014


Those are some routes I definitely did not see coming.

I think the reason why WN is starting LGB-AUS and LGB-PHX is because they are attempting to become the largest carrier at LGB. I could probably see AA leaving the market if WN does really well on LGB-PHX. As for LGB-AUS, WN is probably trying to force B6 to give up some slots at LGB.

As for the ATL routes, I believe that since DL is suffering from COVID-19, WN is trying to become a larger carrier in ATL as well.


WM needs to be larger in ATL to hold their ground against DL. There has always been a place for a second large carrier at ATL, WN downsized too much.
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Thu May 28, 2020 5:35 pm

Iggy500 wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
https://www.swamedia.com/releases/release-6574be9e1de1ccd6be82c574d7a8ce01-southwest-airlines-extends-published-flight-schedule-through-jan-4-2021

"As Southwest looks toward the end of 2020, the carrier is adding a more robust schedule for business travelers with more frequencies and more nonstop flight options from Phoenix, Denver, Las Vegas, and Nashville.

"Never before has Southwest been more primed to emerge as the preferred choice of corporate travel as the business climate across America begins its recovery," Watterson added.

New for the Fall and Winter
As Southwest looks toward the end of 2020, the carrier is adding a more robust schedule for business travelers with more frequencies and more nonstop flight options from Phoenix, Denver, Las Vegas, and Nashville.

"Never before has Southwest been more primed to emerge as the preferred choice of corporate travel as the business climate across America begins its recovery," Watterson added.

More Reach from Long Beach
Effective Nov. 1, 2020, Southwest will add roundtrip service nonstop betweenLong Beach and Phoenix three times daily, as well as once daily nonstop service between Long Beach and Austin.

Music City to Orange County
Effective Nov. 2, 2020, Southwest will add new nonstop service once a day (except Sundays) between Nashvilleand Orange County/Santa Ana, Calif.

The carrier also will offer nonstop service between Ontario, Calif. and Houston (Hobby) once a day (except Saturdays), beginning Nov. 1, 2020.

New Routes for Atlanta and Denver Customers
Effective Dec. 17, 2020, Southwest will add several new nonstop links between cities across the nation:

Phoenix and Memphis, Tenn. – Once daily
Denver and Birmingham, Ala. – Once daily
Denver and Wichita, Kan. – Once daily
Denver and Little Rock, Ark. – Once daily
Atlanta and Oklahoma City – Three roundtrips daily, reestablishing nonstop service previously offered in 2016
Atlanta and Omaha, Neb. – Three roundtrips daily
Atlanta and Louisville, Ky. – Three roundtrips daily, reestablishing nonstop service previously offered in 2014


Those are some routes I definitely did not see coming.

I think the reason why WN is starting LGB-AUS and LGB-PHX is because they are attempting to become the largest carrier at LGB. I could probably see AA leaving the market if WN does really well on LGB-PHX. As for LGB-AUS, WN is probably trying to force B6 to give up some slots at LGB.

As for the ATL routes, I believe that since DL is suffering from COVID-19, WN is trying to become a larger carrier in ATL as well.


lol, forcing B6 to give up slots at LGB. B6 will gladly give up all of its slots at LGB now that LAX is open.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Thu May 28, 2020 6:30 pm

So, what's Southwest's plan for LGB again? Obviously these new additions (especially in light of COVID fallout) are a power play to run out AAL from LGB, as well as B6 to AUS... is Southwest trying to win the title of largest carrier at LGB so they "dominate" all SoCal airports or are they trying to establish a larger operation here that B6 once tried to do?
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Thu May 28, 2020 6:52 pm

Now would be a great time for WN to become competitive in NYC. I know NK mentioned they would be willing to sell their LGA slots.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Thu May 28, 2020 7:14 pm

Here are the route cuts I found. Seems they don't like to talk about these. They are Mo through Fr flights, and were operating in this schedule's timeframe last year.
ATL-LAX/OAK/SAN
BOI-GEG
BOS-CMH/HOU
BUF-LAS
CHS-HOU
CLE-MKE
DEN-LBB
FLL-LAS/RDU
MDW-IND
PDX-BUR/ONT/LAX/SAN
RDU-LAS
SAN-ELP/MCO/OMA
SFO-ONT
SJC-BWI/SLC/TUS/ABQ
SLC-BWI
TPA-ALB/BDL/MHT
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Thu May 28, 2020 7:19 pm

sprxUSA wrote:
Here are the route cuts I found. Seems they don't like to talk about these. They are Mo through Fr flights, and were operating in this schedule's timeframe last year.
ATL-LAX/OAK/SAN
BOI-GEG
BOS-CMH/HOU
BUF-LAS
CHS-HOU
CLE-MKE
DEN-LBB
FLL-LAS/RDU
MDW-IND
PDX-BUR/ONT/LAX/SAN
RDU-LAS
SAN-ELP/MCO/OMA
SFO-ONT
SJC-BWI/SLC/TUS/ABQ
SLC-BWI
TPA-ALB/BDL/MHT


How did you manage to access an old schedule from last year to compare?
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Thu May 28, 2020 7:28 pm

STT757 wrote:
WM needs to be larger in ATL to hold their ground against DL. There has always been a place for a second large carrier at ATL, WN downsized too much.


Why though? Even with the current crisis, eventually DL is going to come back stronger. Once things recover, they'll go back to losing money there. They have a much more viable airport up the road in BNA where they should be pouring resources into.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Thu May 28, 2020 7:36 pm

sprxUSA wrote:
Here are the route cuts I found. Seems they don't like to talk about these. They are Mo through Fr flights, and were operating in this schedule's timeframe last year.
ATL-LAX/OAK/SAN
BOI-GEG
BOS-CMH/HOU
BUF-LAS
CHS-HOU
CLE-MKE
DEN-LBB
FLL-LAS/RDU
MDW-IND
PDX-BUR/ONT/LAX/SAN
RDU-LAS
SAN-ELP/MCO/OMA
SFO-ONT
SJC-BWI/SLC/TUS/ABQ
SLC-BWI
TPA-ALB/BDL/MHT


I had to see it on their website to believe it. A few that stand out in particular:

ATL-LAX/OAK: OAK a little less shocking than LAX, but they cannot make ATL-LAX work? Also pretty much eliminates Hawaii connectivity from ATL

BUF-LAS: this one is really hard to believe. With all the Canadian vacation traffic, they can’t make it work? Are they betting it won’t return this winter due to COVID? Seems odd given their other additions and ambitions...

PDX: Talk about ceding to AS on the West Coast flights. Obviously WN is much stronger in CA than PDX or SEA but still
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Thu May 28, 2020 7:47 pm

joeblow10 wrote:
sprxUSA wrote:
Here are the route cuts I found. Seems they don't like to talk about these. They are Mo through Fr flights, and were operating in this schedule's timeframe last year.
ATL-LAX/OAK/SAN
BOI-GEG
BOS-CMH/HOU
BUF-LAS
CHS-HOU
CLE-MKE
DEN-LBB
FLL-LAS/RDU
MDW-IND
PDX-BUR/ONT/LAX/SAN
RDU-LAS
SAN-ELP/MCO/OMA
SFO-ONT
SJC-BWI/SLC/TUS/ABQ
SLC-BWI
TPA-ALB/BDL/MHT


I had to see it on their website to believe it. A few that stand out in particular:

ATL-LAX/OAK: OAK a little less shocking than LAX, but they cannot make ATL-LAX work? Also pretty much eliminates Hawaii connectivity from ATL

BUF-LAS: this one is really hard to believe. With all the Canadian vacation traffic, they can’t make it work? Are they betting it won’t return this winter due to COVID? Seems odd given their other additions and ambitions...

PDX: Talk about ceding to AS on the West Coast flights. Obviously WN is much stronger in CA than PDX or SEA but still


Honestly, I see PDX being put aside for a different day. It looks like they are working to lay off the PNW right now but entrenching their already dominant position in SoCal. After travel starts to go up again I would imagine that they might be willing to duke it out with AS again.

AS is in a good position to fight. But as you can see they are going after some low hanging AA, UA, DL, and B6 routes. It would probably be easier to steal pax from them than it would be against AS.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Thu May 28, 2020 7:59 pm

737max8 wrote:
LGB-AUS?

Definitely did not see that one coming.

All of the DEN/STL/BNA/ATL stuff makes sense.



That is purely speculation that B6 will be gone from LGB by that time. This is one of those flights that have remained throughout all the cuts and does well for them.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Thu May 28, 2020 9:47 pm

phllax wrote:
737max8 wrote:
LGB-AUS?

Definitely did not see that one coming.

All of the DEN/STL/BNA/ATL stuff makes sense.



That is purely speculation that B6 will be gone from LGB by that time. This is one of those flights that have remained throughout all the cuts and does well for them.


It will do well for WN, no doubt about it. AUS is very much a WN city.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Thu May 28, 2020 10:30 pm

I was surprised at the adds but now am more shocked at some of the cuts.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Thu May 28, 2020 11:01 pm

joeblow10 wrote:
sprxUSA wrote:
Here are the route cuts I found. Seems they don't like to talk about these. They are Mo through Fr flights, and were operating in this schedule's timeframe last year.
ATL-LAX/OAK/SAN
BOI-GEG
BOS-CMH/HOU
BUF-LAS
CHS-HOU
CLE-MKE
DEN-LBB
FLL-LAS/RDU
MDW-IND
PDX-BUR/ONT/LAX/SAN
RDU-LAS
SAN-ELP/MCO/OMA
SFO-ONT
SJC-BWI/SLC/TUS/ABQ
SLC-BWI
TPA-ALB/BDL/MHT


I had to see it on their website to believe it. A few that stand out in particular:

ATL-LAX/OAK: OAK a little less shocking than LAX, but they cannot make ATL-LAX work? Also pretty much eliminates Hawaii connectivity from ATL

BUF-LAS: this one is really hard to believe. With all the Canadian vacation traffic, they can’t make it work? Are they betting it won’t return this winter due to COVID? Seems odd given their other additions and ambitions...

PDX: Talk about ceding to AS on the West Coast flights. Obviously WN is much stronger in CA than PDX or SEA but still


WN cut ALL ATL-CA routes: LAX/OAK/SAN. It may have to do with the fact that they eat up a lot of aircraft time. This isn't about OAK, or about LAX, or about SAN. They've simply decided to end transcons to CA from ATL and instead build ATL in other ways, which is evident in the route adds there announced today. Those who want to fly ATL-LAX/OAK/SAN on WN will still have plenty of opportunity on a 1-stop or single-connect basis. And, right, OAK will continue to have the most Hawaii capacity for WN so with no flights to/from ATL that will certainly limit the ability of customers to make that work. Not the end of the world.

AAflyguy
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Thu May 28, 2020 11:15 pm

AAflyguy wrote:
joeblow10 wrote:
sprxUSA wrote:
Here are the route cuts I found. Seems they don't like to talk about these. They are Mo through Fr flights, and were operating in this schedule's timeframe last year.
ATL-LAX/OAK/SAN
BOI-GEG
BOS-CMH/HOU
BUF-LAS
CHS-HOU
CLE-MKE
DEN-LBB
FLL-LAS/RDU
MDW-IND
PDX-BUR/ONT/LAX/SAN
RDU-LAS
SAN-ELP/MCO/OMA
SFO-ONT
SJC-BWI/SLC/TUS/ABQ
SLC-BWI
TPA-ALB/BDL/MHT


I had to see it on their website to believe it. A few that stand out in particular:

ATL-LAX/OAK: OAK a little less shocking than LAX, but they cannot make ATL-LAX work? Also pretty much eliminates Hawaii connectivity from ATL

BUF-LAS: this one is really hard to believe. With all the Canadian vacation traffic, they can’t make it work? Are they betting it won’t return this winter due to COVID? Seems odd given their other additions and ambitions...

PDX: Talk about ceding to AS on the West Coast flights. Obviously WN is much stronger in CA than PDX or SEA but still


WN cut ALL ATL-CA routes: LAX/OAK/SAN. It may have to do with the fact that they eat up a lot of aircraft time. This isn't about OAK, or about LAX, or about SAN. They've simply decided to end transcons to CA from ATL and instead build ATL in other ways, which is evident in the route adds there announced today. Those who want to fly ATL-LAX/OAK/SAN on WN will still have plenty of opportunity on a 1-stop or single-connect basis. And, right, OAK will continue to have the most Hawaii capacity for WN so with no flights to/from ATL that will certainly limit the ability of customers to make that work. Not the end of the world.

AAflyguy


WN is really shrinking LAX, I saw that they are only running about 20 routes in this new extension, haven't seen the daily flight count but it must be low. Maybe its a similar story with SAN & OAK
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