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Re: Southwest Airlines planning on squeezing competitors in weaker positions

Thu May 28, 2020 8:44 pm

Bold move, but fortune favors the bold. Glad to see some positive news.
Heres another article from TPG. Full schedule... I like it and hope it works out for them.
Non legacies definitely seem to have the upper hand right now.

https://thepointsguy.com/news/southwest ... -schedule/
 
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Re: Southwest Airlines planning on squeezing competitors in weaker positions

Thu May 28, 2020 9:09 pm

tphuang wrote:
Isn't this kind of obvious? WN got a huge war chest and very little debt. They can sustain a money losing competition for a while to capture market share and build new fortress hubs. Many easy moves for them to make:
- Acquire smaller airlines to either eliminate competitor (NK), add slots (B6) or get gates at relevant airports (AS/F9/B6)
- build back up and then expand in DEN while UA is slowly adding back capacity. That's gotta be there number 1 priority in their domestic work.
- Add gates at LAX to take advantage of AA/UA cuts there
- Acquire/lease more slots at LGA/DCA from financially weak carriers of AA/UA
- If AA cuts back significantly at PHX, take advantage of that to become largest carrier at PHX
- Expand in SFO if UA cuts back there

I would be very worried about WN if I am one of their competitors. They will be close to their pre-COVID capacity by next summer imo.

And it's not just WN that can take advantage of legacy carriers cutting back.
Things are wide open for B6 in NYC. JFK will have more slots, EWR will have more gates open and LGA will most likely have some slots available. BOS will be wide open.
AS will be able to expand at SFO if they want.
NK is going to look to grow at LGA and EWR. It will grow at South Florida where everyone else is cutting back.
All the ULCCs will capture more of the leisure market.

DL management has told their employees that yield will be trash until 2022. High yielding international and corporate stuff will be slow to return. The stuff that will come back first are the leisure stuff. All of which favors non-legacy carriers.

add gates at LAX? Where? and where do you propose they get all this extra capacity and gate space? Unless you think other carriers are just going to shrink back just because WN is coming, Have they Been running from WN? the LCC's will get what they get, Were UA or AA or even DL to try and muscle them out? You and I both Know there'd be Lawsuits all over the place talking about "Predatory" tactics. WN can't do anything you espouse.. You're wishing!
 
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Re: Southwest Airlines planning on squeezing competitors in weaker positions

Thu May 28, 2020 9:14 pm

the VP of flight ops? If he was stupid enough to say that out loud? He could set WN up for anything they did or caused at the smaller carriers. A businessman NEVER divulges strategy like that! And a VP? A dime a Dozen! An SVP or EVP? I might listen, But a VP? Isn't even a good director.
 
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Re: Southwest Airlines planning on squeezing competitors in weaker positions

Thu May 28, 2020 9:38 pm

strfyr51 wrote:
tphuang wrote:
Isn't this kind of obvious? WN got a huge war chest and very little debt. They can sustain a money losing competition for a while to capture market share and build new fortress hubs. Many easy moves for them to make:
- Acquire smaller airlines to either eliminate competitor (NK), add slots (B6) or get gates at relevant airports (AS/F9/B6)
- build back up and then expand in DEN while UA is slowly adding back capacity. That's gotta be there number 1 priority in their domestic work.
- Add gates at LAX to take advantage of AA/UA cuts there
- Acquire/lease more slots at LGA/DCA from financially weak carriers of AA/UA
- If AA cuts back significantly at PHX, take advantage of that to become largest carrier at PHX
- Expand in SFO if UA cuts back there

I would be very worried about WN if I am one of their competitors. They will be close to their pre-COVID capacity by next summer imo.

And it's not just WN that can take advantage of legacy carriers cutting back.
Things are wide open for B6 in NYC. JFK will have more slots, EWR will have more gates open and LGA will most likely have some slots available. BOS will be wide open.
AS will be able to expand at SFO if they want.
NK is going to look to grow at LGA and EWR. It will grow at South Florida where everyone else is cutting back.
All the ULCCs will capture more of the leisure market.

DL management has told their employees that yield will be trash until 2022. High yielding international and corporate stuff will be slow to return. The stuff that will come back first are the leisure stuff. All of which favors non-legacy carriers.

add gates at LAX? Where? and where do you propose they get all this extra capacity and gate space? Unless you think other carriers are just going to shrink back just because WN is coming, Have they Been running from WN? the LCC's will get what they get, Were UA or AA or even DL to try and muscle them out? You and I both Know there'd be Lawsuits all over the place talking about "Predatory" tactics. WN can't do anything you espouse.. You're wishing!


UA/AA will both shrink at LAX coming out of this. Gates are going to become available. Amongst major carriers at LAX, who do you think will likely get back to pre-COVID capacity the soonest? LAWA looks at gate utilization next summer and the WN is using theirs 10x daily and AA/UA are using their 4x daily. What do you think will happen there?

btw, I'm not a WN fanboy. I just think they will do really well coming out of this.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Thu May 28, 2020 9:47 pm

phllax wrote:
737max8 wrote:
LGB-AUS?

Definitely did not see that one coming.

All of the DEN/STL/BNA/ATL stuff makes sense.



That is purely speculation that B6 will be gone from LGB by that time. This is one of those flights that have remained throughout all the cuts and does well for them.


It will do well for WN, no doubt about it. AUS is very much a WN city.
 
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Re: Southwest Airlines planning on squeezing competitors in weaker positions

Thu May 28, 2020 9:49 pm

strfyr51 wrote:
the VP of flight ops? If he was stupid enough to say that out loud? He could set WN up for anything they did or caused at the smaller carriers. A businessman NEVER divulges strategy like that! And a VP? A dime a Dozen! An SVP or EVP? I might listen, But a VP? Isn't even a good director.


I mean they aren't really trying to hide anything, they even announced growing capacity by 10% in DEN, PHX, & LAS today
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Re: Southwest Airlines planning on squeezing competitors in weaker positions

Thu May 28, 2020 9:50 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
strfyr51 wrote:
the VP of flight ops? If he was stupid enough to say that out loud? He could set WN up for anything they did or caused at the smaller carriers. A businessman NEVER divulges strategy like that! And a VP? A dime a Dozen! An SVP or EVP? I might listen, But a VP? Isn't even a good director.


I mean they aren't really trying to hide anything, they even announced growing capacity by 10% in DEN, PHX, & LAS today


Do you have any link on this?
 
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Re: Southwest Airlines planning on squeezing competitors in weaker positions

Thu May 28, 2020 9:53 pm

tphuang wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
strfyr51 wrote:
the VP of flight ops? If he was stupid enough to say that out loud? He could set WN up for anything they did or caused at the smaller carriers. A businessman NEVER divulges strategy like that! And a VP? A dime a Dozen! An SVP or EVP? I might listen, But a VP? Isn't even a good director.


I mean they aren't really trying to hide anything, they even announced growing capacity by 10% in DEN, PHX, & LAS today


Do you have any link on this?

New schedule release through January 4, 2021. Full schedule planned by December.
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Re: Southwest Airlines planning on squeezing competitors in weaker positions

Thu May 28, 2020 10:01 pm

SWADawg wrote:
tphuang wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:

I mean they aren't really trying to hide anything, they even announced growing capacity by 10% in DEN, PHX, & LAS today


Do you have any link on this?

New schedule release through January 4, 2021. Full schedule planned by December.


Yeah,

"On Thursday, the Dallas-based carrier extended its schedule through Jan. 4, 2021. The plans call for about as many flights as it flew at the end of 2019 by the end of this year. That includes growing the number of available seats for sale by 10% or more at its bases in Denver (DEN), Las Vegas (LAS), Nashville (BNA) and Phoenix (PHX)."

https://thepointsguy.com/news/southwest ... -schedule/

Now will they run all these flights? That remains to be seen, but the fact that they are announcing it at all shows they have some guts.
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Re: Southwest Airlines planning on squeezing competitors in weaker positions

Thu May 28, 2020 10:08 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
SWADawg wrote:
tphuang wrote:

Do you have any link on this?

New schedule release through January 4, 2021. Full schedule planned by December.


Yeah,

"On Thursday, the Dallas-based carrier extended its schedule through Jan. 4, 2021. The plans call for about as many flights as it flew at the end of 2019 by the end of this year. That includes growing the number of available seats for sale by 10% or more at its bases in Denver (DEN), Las Vegas (LAS), Nashville (BNA) and Phoenix (PHX)."

https://thepointsguy.com/news/southwest ... -schedule/

Now will they run all these flights? That remains to be seen, but the fact that they are announcing it at all shows they have some guts.


That last part will be key. We're not even in June yet, so December schedules are far from gospel at this point.

I get that WN is very well run and they're structurally the best-suited carrier to handle a situation like this but actually expecting to run their full 2019 schedule seems insane at this point.
 
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Re: Southwest Airlines planning on squeezing competitors in weaker positions

Thu May 28, 2020 10:25 pm

Personally, I think everyone is putting way to much effort into analyzing any of this. Basically what they are doing is putting a normal demand schedule "out for sale" in for Q4 and seeing where the chips fall. If the flights start filling up as we move towards winter then great... but if they don't, don't bet for one second that they won't start pulling flights left and right.
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Thu May 28, 2020 10:30 pm

I was surprised at the adds but now am more shocked at some of the cuts.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Thu May 28, 2020 11:01 pm

joeblow10 wrote:
sprxUSA wrote:
Here are the route cuts I found. Seems they don't like to talk about these. They are Mo through Fr flights, and were operating in this schedule's timeframe last year.
ATL-LAX/OAK/SAN
BOI-GEG
BOS-CMH/HOU
BUF-LAS
CHS-HOU
CLE-MKE
DEN-LBB
FLL-LAS/RDU
MDW-IND
PDX-BUR/ONT/LAX/SAN
RDU-LAS
SAN-ELP/MCO/OMA
SFO-ONT
SJC-BWI/SLC/TUS/ABQ
SLC-BWI
TPA-ALB/BDL/MHT


I had to see it on their website to believe it. A few that stand out in particular:

ATL-LAX/OAK: OAK a little less shocking than LAX, but they cannot make ATL-LAX work? Also pretty much eliminates Hawaii connectivity from ATL

BUF-LAS: this one is really hard to believe. With all the Canadian vacation traffic, they can’t make it work? Are they betting it won’t return this winter due to COVID? Seems odd given their other additions and ambitions...

PDX: Talk about ceding to AS on the West Coast flights. Obviously WN is much stronger in CA than PDX or SEA but still


WN cut ALL ATL-CA routes: LAX/OAK/SAN. It may have to do with the fact that they eat up a lot of aircraft time. This isn't about OAK, or about LAX, or about SAN. They've simply decided to end transcons to CA from ATL and instead build ATL in other ways, which is evident in the route adds there announced today. Those who want to fly ATL-LAX/OAK/SAN on WN will still have plenty of opportunity on a 1-stop or single-connect basis. And, right, OAK will continue to have the most Hawaii capacity for WN so with no flights to/from ATL that will certainly limit the ability of customers to make that work. Not the end of the world.

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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Thu May 28, 2020 11:15 pm

AAflyguy wrote:
joeblow10 wrote:
sprxUSA wrote:
Here are the route cuts I found. Seems they don't like to talk about these. They are Mo through Fr flights, and were operating in this schedule's timeframe last year.
ATL-LAX/OAK/SAN
BOI-GEG
BOS-CMH/HOU
BUF-LAS
CHS-HOU
CLE-MKE
DEN-LBB
FLL-LAS/RDU
MDW-IND
PDX-BUR/ONT/LAX/SAN
RDU-LAS
SAN-ELP/MCO/OMA
SFO-ONT
SJC-BWI/SLC/TUS/ABQ
SLC-BWI
TPA-ALB/BDL/MHT


I had to see it on their website to believe it. A few that stand out in particular:

ATL-LAX/OAK: OAK a little less shocking than LAX, but they cannot make ATL-LAX work? Also pretty much eliminates Hawaii connectivity from ATL

BUF-LAS: this one is really hard to believe. With all the Canadian vacation traffic, they can’t make it work? Are they betting it won’t return this winter due to COVID? Seems odd given their other additions and ambitions...

PDX: Talk about ceding to AS on the West Coast flights. Obviously WN is much stronger in CA than PDX or SEA but still


WN cut ALL ATL-CA routes: LAX/OAK/SAN. It may have to do with the fact that they eat up a lot of aircraft time. This isn't about OAK, or about LAX, or about SAN. They've simply decided to end transcons to CA from ATL and instead build ATL in other ways, which is evident in the route adds there announced today. Those who want to fly ATL-LAX/OAK/SAN on WN will still have plenty of opportunity on a 1-stop or single-connect basis. And, right, OAK will continue to have the most Hawaii capacity for WN so with no flights to/from ATL that will certainly limit the ability of customers to make that work. Not the end of the world.

AAflyguy


WN is really shrinking LAX, I saw that they are only running about 20 routes in this new extension, haven't seen the daily flight count but it must be low. Maybe its a similar story with SAN & OAK
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Thu May 28, 2020 11:32 pm

This schedule is said to have been planned with 100 less older 700NG aircraft that will remain in storage.
If the MAX8 gets returned to service WN will most likely Swap out one for one with the planned 700NG retirements.
Also if market opportunities arise from an unfortunate fall out from another airline WN will have ample aircraft move on it with.
WN Is not eliminating any markets it's just rebalance it thru more connections vs Longe haul non stops.
I did notice SAN-HNL stops for the winter?

WN is still waiting on Steamboat Springs service until the ski resort group comes out with it's post Covid 19 operating plan.

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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Fri May 29, 2020 1:13 am

I would like to see them add some of the "non WN" style places like BIL FAR FAT TYS etc while somewhat slow and able to grab any of the folks flying from there that usually use the carriers that are shrinking those places' options. Have the people and planes available but would take time to mature. But flying additional cash losing flights probably not top of the list LOL.
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Fri May 29, 2020 1:17 am

wnflyguy wrote:
This schedule is said to have been planned with 100 less older 700NG aircraft that will remain in storage.
If the MAX8 gets returned to service WN will most likely Swap out one for one with the planned 700NG retirements.
Also if market opportunities arise from an unfortunate fall out from another airline WN will have ample aircraft move on it with.
WN Is not eliminating any markets it's just rebalance it thru more connections vs Longe haul non stops.
I did notice SAN-HNL stops for the winter?

WN is still waiting on Steamboat Springs service until the ski resort group comes out with it's post Covid 19 operating plan.

Flyguy

There are already Max8’s in the schedule so I don’t know about the swap out part. Are you saying they would be replaced by parked -700s if the Max’s don’t fly? The rest makes sense.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Fri May 29, 2020 2:26 am

Was Denver to Charlotte already announced? Shows up as nonstop flight in December?
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Fri May 29, 2020 2:52 am

WN is really shrinking LAX, I saw that they are only running about 20 routes in this new extension, haven't seen the daily flight count but it must be low. Maybe its a similar story with SAN & OAK[/quote]


WN is operating almost 40 daily departures on 20 routes out of OAK now and is supposed to increase to about 65 departures and 25 routes in June. That's a little over 50% of the June 2019 schedule. Should be 3 more routes added in July if Hawaii's visitor quarantine is lifted at the end of June. With the Nov schedule looks like OAK is back over 100 daily departures.

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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Fri May 29, 2020 4:40 am

AAflyguy wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
WN is really shrinking LAX, I saw that they are only running about 20 routes in this new extension, haven't seen the daily flight count but it must be low. Maybe its a similar story with SAN & OAK



WN is operating almost 40 daily departures on 20 routes out of OAK now and is supposed to increase to about 65 departures and 25 routes in June. That's a little over 50% of the June 2019 schedule. Should be 3 more routes added in July if Hawaii's visitor quarantine is lifted at the end of June. With the Nov schedule looks like OAK is back over 100 daily departures.

AAflyguy


Ran through LAX & SAN, both under 100 departures (97 & 95 respectively) for Nov 13th

You would think they would try to expand in LAX right now
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Fri May 29, 2020 4:58 am

Midwestindy wrote:
Ran through LAX & SAN, both under 100 departures (97 & 95 respectively) for Nov 13th

You would think they would try to expand in LAX right now


They may be freaked by our Covid-19 numbers growth, but there's a few things you need to know about it.
1. Anyone residing in the County of Los Angeles can get tested for free, no questions asked, as often as they like, whether or not you have symptoms. There are over a dozen drive-thru testing sites the County is operating and you just go online and sign up. You can sign up for the next day in many cases.
2. Because the County is running the testing, they automatically know the positive cases each day, although it is 36 hours behind.
3. If someone tests positive twice, they count that as 2 cases, not 1, so our numbers may be skewed by that.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Fri May 29, 2020 6:52 am

Midwestindy wrote:
AAflyguy wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
WN is really shrinking LAX, I saw that they are only running about 20 routes in this new extension, haven't seen the daily flight count but it must be low. Maybe its a similar story with SAN & OAK



WN is operating almost 40 daily departures on 20 routes out of OAK now and is supposed to increase to about 65 departures and 25 routes in June. That's a little over 50% of the June 2019 schedule. Should be 3 more routes added in July if Hawaii's visitor quarantine is lifted at the end of June. With the Nov schedule looks like OAK is back over 100 daily departures.

AAflyguy


Ran through LAX & SAN, both under 100 departures (97 & 95 respectively) for Nov 13th

You would think they would try to expand in LAX right now


Aren't those numbers roughly what they flew during the last economic downturn about 10 years ago? WN was also much smaller back then. They didn't even have ATL during the peak of the recession.

At this point they are probably just playing it safe. They can always adjust the schedule as needed for the next schedule extension. At least now they have the ability to expand, which is a luxury they didn't have last year.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Fri May 29, 2020 12:06 pm

joeblow10 wrote:

I had to see it on their website to believe it. A few that stand out in particular:

ATL-LAX/OAK: OAK a little less shocking than LAX, but they cannot make ATL-LAX work? Also pretty much eliminates Hawaii connectivity from ATL


AAflyguy wrote:
WN cut ALL ATL-CA routes: LAX/OAK/SAN. It may have to do with the fact that they eat up a lot of aircraft time. This isn't about OAK, or about LAX, or about SAN. They've simply decided to end transcons to CA from ATL and instead build ATL in other ways, which is evident in the route adds there announced today. Those who want to fly ATL-LAX/OAK/SAN on WN will still have plenty of opportunity on a 1-stop or single-connect basis. And, right, OAK will continue to have the most Hawaii capacity for WN so with no flights to/from ATL that will certainly limit the ability of customers to make that work. Not the end of the world.

AAflyguy


It makes sense for WN to add RIC-MDW or RIC-DEN nonstop service once demand for air travel returns if WN is dropping ATL-LAX/OAK/SAN nonstop service with RIC losing 1-stop connecting service to the West Coast on WN once WN discontinues ATL-LAX/OAK/SAN.

There was an average over 450 passengers in each direction connecting to and from contiguous U.S. West Coast cities served by WN from the RIC market in Q3 2019.

The lack of 1-stop connecting service to the West Coast from RIC will be a huge hole (at least if demand is at normal levels), especially with almost all of the other WN stations in the U.S. still having nonstop or 1-stop connecting service to LAX, OAK, and SAN on WN and with the significant amount of passengers who were connecting between RIC and the West Coast.

The discontinuation of ATL-LAX/OAK/SAN nonstop service will also likely weaken demand for WN service out of RIC with RIC losing 1-stop connecting service to the West Coast on WN.

In addition to restoring connectivity to cities that have lost nonstop service to ATL on WN, RIC would also gain 1-stop connecting service on WN to some additional cities that WN or FL never served nonstop from ATL if WN adds RIC-MDW and RIC-DEN nonstop service.

Besides increased connectivity to and from the RIC market on WN, WN would also likely have some O&D traffic on RIC-MDW and RIC-DEN nonstop flights if WN adds RIC-MDW and RIC-DEN nonstop service.

Unlike the RIC market, the situation is very different in ATL, LGA, PHL, DCA, and RDU as ATL, LGA, PHL, DCA, and RDU will all still have 1-stop connecting service to the West Coast on WN after WN discontinues ATL-LAX/OAK/SAN nonstop service.

WN also has nonstop service to BWI from most of its other stations on the East Coast, but RIC is probably too close to BWI for WN to add RIC-BWI nonstop service with RIC-BWI being only 121 miles long, which is shorter than any WN nonstop route within the contiguous U.S. as MDW-GRR (the shortest WN nonstop route within the contiguous U.S.) is 137 miles long. HNL-OGG, HNL-LIH, and OGG-KOA are also the only WN nonstop routes that are shorter than RIC-BWI, but HNL-OGG, HNL-LIH, and OGG-KOA are all interisland Hawaii routes.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Fri May 29, 2020 1:03 pm

WN December 2020 M-F schedule.
Daily flights
ABQ 32
ALB 10
AMA 6
ATL 129
AUA 1
AUS 82
BDL 12
BHM 12
BNA 135
BOI 15
BOS 22
BUF 14
BUR 58
BWI 212
BZE no service
CHS 10
CLE 19
CLT 11
CMH 36
CRP 4
CUN 10
CVG 9
CZM no service
DAL 195
DCA 45
DEN 263
DSM 5
DTW 19
ECP 4
ELP 20
FLL 58
GCM no service
GRR 4
GSP 4
HAV 1
HNL 23
HOU 163
HRL 5
IAD 6
ICT 5
IND 27
ISP 7
ITO 4
JAX 13
KOA 7
LAS 190
LAX 107
LBB 8
LGA 37
LGB 17
LIH 6
LIR 1
LIT 8
MAF 10
MBJ 4
MCI 66
MCO 111
MDW 231
MEM 14
MHT 7
MKE 29
MSP 24
MSY 66
NAS 1
OAK 107
OGG 12
OKC 22
OMA 21
ONT 36
ORF 7
PBI 8
PDX 28
PHL 22
PHX 213
PIT 27
PLS no service
PNS 3
PUJ 1
PVD 13
PVR 3
PWM 3
RDU 32
RIC 3
RNO 23
ROC 5
RSW 20
SAN 97
SAT 53
SDF 16
SEA 28
SFO 35
SJC 99
SJD 5
SJO no service
SJU 11
SLC 31
SMF 85
SNA 44
STL 125
TPA 86
TUL 14
TUS 12

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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Fri May 29, 2020 1:46 pm

New top 10 as compared to Dec 2019 in order of flights https://www.swamedia.com/pages/corporat ... heet#top10
1 DEN
2 MDW
3 PHX
4 BWI
5 DAL
6 LAS
7 HOU
8 BNA
9 ATL
10 STL

OAK, MCO & SAN fell out of the top 10 while BNA, ATL & STL moved in.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Fri May 29, 2020 1:52 pm

wnflyguy wrote:
WN December 2020 M-F schedule.
Daily flights
ABQ 32
ALB 10
AMA 6
ATL 129
AUA 1
AUS 82
BDL 12
BHM 12
BNA 135
BOI 15
BOS 22
BUF 14
BUR 58
BWI 212
BZE no service
CHS 10
CLE 19
CLT 11
CMH 36
CRP 4
CUN 10
CVG 9
CZM no service
DAL 195
DCA 45
DEN 263
DSM 5
DTW 19
ECP 4
ELP 20
FLL 58
GCM no service
GRR 4
GSP 4
HAV 1
HNL 23
HOU 163
HRL 5
IAD 6
ICT 5
IND 27
ISP 7
ITO 4
JAX 13
KOA 7
LAS 190
LAX 107
LBB 8
LGA 37
LGB 17
LIH 6
LIR 1
LIT 8
MAF 10
MBJ 4
MCI 66
MCO 111
MDW 231
MEM 14
MHT 7
MKE 29
MSP 24
MSY 66
NAS 1
OAK 107
OGG 12
OKC 22
OMA 21
ONT 36
ORF 7
PBI 8
PDX 28
PHL 22
PHX 213
PIT 27
PLS no service
PNS 3
PUJ 1
PVD 13
PVR 3
PWM 3
RDU 32
RIC 3
RNO 23
ROC 5
RSW 20
SAN 97
SAT 53
SDF 16
SEA 28
SFO 35
SJC 99
SJD 5
SJO no service
SJU 11
SLC 31
SMF 85
SNA 44
STL 125
TPA 86
TUL 14
TUS 12

Flyguy


Which week are you using?
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Fri May 29, 2020 3:41 pm

Is there still a minimum number of flights a station needs to have in order to be staffed by full time WN employees?
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Fri May 29, 2020 4:39 pm

sprxUSA wrote:
I would like to see them add some of the "non WN" style places like BIL FAR FAT TYS etc while somewhat slow and able to grab any of the folks flying from there that usually use the carriers that are shrinking those places' options. Have the people and planes available but would take time to mature. But flying additional cash losing flights probably not top of the list LOL.



You are forgetting XNA on that list. Bentonville is the 5th fastest growing town in the US. Projections now have NWA over 1 million come 2045. If there was a chance to enter a market with the reduced fares they are offering, this is the place. DAL. HOU, DEN, STL or MWD and BNA or ATL and they would be a big hit instantaneously.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Fri May 29, 2020 5:07 pm

sprxUSA wrote:
Here are the route cuts I found. Seems they don't like to talk about these. They are Mo through Fr flights, and were operating in this schedule's timeframe last year.
ATL-LAX/OAK/SAN
BOI-GEG
BOS-CMH/HOU
BUF-LAS
CHS-HOU
CLE-MKE
DEN-LBB
FLL-LAS/RDU
MDW-IND
PDX-BUR/ONT/LAX/SAN
RDU-LAS
SAN-ELP/MCO/OMA
SFO-ONT
SJC-BWI/SLC/TUS/ABQ
SLC-BWI
TPA-ALB/BDL/MHT


MSP-OAK cut too, from what I could tell, in addition to frequency cuts
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Fri May 29, 2020 5:18 pm

SteveXC500 wrote:
sprxUSA wrote:
Here are the route cuts I found. Seems they don't like to talk about these. They are Mo through Fr flights, and were operating in this schedule's timeframe last year.
ATL-LAX/OAK/SAN
BOI-GEG
BOS-CMH/HOU
BUF-LAS
CHS-HOU
CLE-MKE
DEN-LBB
FLL-LAS/RDU
MDW-IND
PDX-BUR/ONT/LAX/SAN
RDU-LAS
SAN-ELP/MCO/OMA
SFO-ONT
SJC-BWI/SLC/TUS/ABQ
SLC-BWI
TPA-ALB/BDL/MHT


MSP-OAK cut too, from what I could tell, in addition to frequency cuts


I left that off since it wasn't operated last Nov and Dec. Seemed to be an on 2 months, off two months route anyway.
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Fri May 29, 2020 6:43 pm

LotsaRunway wrote:
wnflyguy wrote:
This schedule is said to have been planned with 100 less older 700NG aircraft that will remain in storage.
If the MAX8 gets returned to service WN will most likely Swap out one for one with the planned 700NG retirements.
Also if market opportunities arise from an unfortunate fall out from another airline WN will have ample aircraft move on it with.
WN Is not eliminating any markets it's just rebalance it thru more connections vs Longe haul non stops.
I did notice SAN-HNL stops for the winter?

WN is still waiting on Steamboat Springs service until the ski resort group comes out with it's post Covid 19 operating plan.

Flyguy

There are already Max8’s in the schedule so I don’t know about the swap out part. Are you saying they would be replaced by parked -700s if the Max’s don’t fly? The rest makes sense.


I'm also confused by this. Are you saying they're able to run this schedule while keeping 100 73Gs in storage?
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Fri May 29, 2020 6:43 pm

LotsaRunway wrote:
wnflyguy wrote:
This schedule is said to have been planned with 100 less older 700NG aircraft that will remain in storage.
If the MAX8 gets returned to service WN will most likely Swap out one for one with the planned 700NG retirements.
Also if market opportunities arise from an unfortunate fall out from another airline WN will have ample aircraft move on it with.
WN Is not eliminating any markets it's just rebalance it thru more connections vs Longe haul non stops.
I did notice SAN-HNL stops for the winter?

WN is still waiting on Steamboat Springs service until the ski resort group comes out with it's post Covid 19 operating plan.

Flyguy

There are already Max8’s in the schedule so I don’t know about the swap out part. Are you saying they would be replaced by parked -700s if the Max’s don’t fly? The rest makes sense.


He is just guessing or hearing rumors about the fleet. Nothing that is close to fact.
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Fri May 29, 2020 7:46 pm

sprxUSA wrote:
SteveXC500 wrote:
sprxUSA wrote:
Here are the route cuts I found. Seems they don't like to talk about these. They are Mo through Fr flights, and were operating in this schedule's timeframe last year.
ATL-LAX/OAK/SAN
BOI-GEG
BOS-CMH/HOU
BUF-LAS
CHS-HOU
CLE-MKE
DEN-LBB
FLL-LAS/RDU
MDW-IND
PDX-BUR/ONT/LAX/SAN
RDU-LAS
SAN-ELP/MCO/OMA
SFO-ONT
SJC-BWI/SLC/TUS/ABQ
SLC-BWI
TPA-ALB/BDL/MHT


MSP-OAK cut too, from what I could tell, in addition to frequency cuts


I left that off since it wasn't operated last Nov and Dec. Seemed to be an on 2 months, off two months route anyway.


True. I think last years cut was MAX related. Will be interesting to see if it returns as it was back earlier this year and just cut for COVID cuts.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Fri May 29, 2020 9:59 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
wnflyguy wrote:
WN December 2020 M-F schedule.
Daily flights
ABQ 32
ALB 10
AMA 6
ATL 129
AUA 1
AUS 82
BDL 12
BHM 12
BNA 135
BOI 15
BOS 22
BUF 14
BUR 58
BWI 212
BZE no service
CHS 10
CLE 19
CLT 11
CMH 36
CRP 4
CUN 10
CVG 9
CZM no service
DAL 195
DCA 45
DEN 263
DSM 5
DTW 19
ECP 4
ELP 20
FLL 58
GCM no service
GRR 4
GSP 4
HAV 1
HNL 23
HOU 163
HRL 5
IAD 6
ICT 5
IND 27
ISP 7
ITO 4
JAX 13
KOA 7
LAS 190
LAX 107
LBB 8
LGA 37
LGB 17
LIH 6
LIR 1
LIT 8
MAF 10
MBJ 4
MCI 66
MCO 111
MDW 231
MEM 14
MHT 7
MKE 29
MSP 24
MSY 66
NAS 1
OAK 107
OGG 12
OKC 22
OMA 21
ONT 36
ORF 7
PBI 8
PDX 28
PHL 22
PHX 213
PIT 27
PLS no service
PNS 3
PUJ 1
PVD 13
PVR 3
PWM 3
RDU 32
RIC 3
RNO 23
ROC 5
RSW 20
SAN 97
SAT 53
SDF 16
SEA 28
SFO 35
SJC 99
SJD 5
SJO no service
SJU 11
SLC 31
SMF 85
SNA 44
STL 125
TPA 86
TUL 14
TUS 12

Flyguy


Which week are you using?


Has to be a holiday week or week up to one because the ones I counted had less for non holiday
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Fri May 29, 2020 10:31 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
wnflyguy wrote:
WN December 2020 M-F schedule.
Daily flights
ABQ 32
ALB 10
AMA 6
ATL 129
AUA 1
AUS 82
BDL 12
BHM 12
BNA 135
BOI 15
BOS 22
BUF 14
BUR 58
BWI 212
BZE no service
CHS 10
CLE 19
CLT 11
CMH 36
CRP 4
CUN 10
CVG 9
CZM no service
DAL 195
DCA 45
DEN 263
DSM 5
DTW 19
ECP 4
ELP 20
FLL 58
GCM no service
GRR 4
GSP 4
HAV 1
HNL 23
HOU 163
HRL 5
IAD 6
ICT 5
IND 27
ISP 7
ITO 4
JAX 13
KOA 7
LAS 190
LAX 107
LBB 8
LGA 37
LGB 17
LIH 6
LIR 1
LIT 8
MAF 10
MBJ 4
MCI 66
MCO 111
MDW 231
MEM 14
MHT 7
MKE 29
MSP 24
MSY 66
NAS 1
OAK 107
OGG 12
OKC 22
OMA 21
ONT 36
ORF 7
PBI 8
PDX 28
PHL 22
PHX 213
PIT 27
PLS no service
PNS 3
PUJ 1
PVD 13
PVR 3
PWM 3
RDU 32
RIC 3
RNO 23
ROC 5
RSW 20
SAN 97
SAT 53
SDF 16
SEA 28
SFO 35
SJC 99
SJD 5
SJO no service
SJU 11
SLC 31
SMF 85
SNA 44
STL 125
TPA 86
TUL 14
TUS 12

Flyguy


Which week are you using?


Has to be a holiday week or week up to one because the ones I counted had less for non holiday


December 18th 2020 was used as a reference.
As for my early post about 100 less aircraft.
I was told they have 747 Aircraft and only built the schedule with 640 aircraft.
Still a far cry better than everyone else in this environment.
Hopefully the gamble pays off.

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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Fri May 29, 2020 11:05 pm

pmanni1 wrote:

New top 10 as compared to Dec 2019 in order of flights https://www.swamedia.com/pages/corporat ... heet#top10
1 DEN
2 MDW
3 PHX
4 BWI
5 DAL
6 LAS
7 HOU
8 BNA
9 ATL
10 STL

OAK, MCO & SAN fell out of the top 10 while BNA, ATL & STL moved in.


Looks like this mess is turning WN into a more "hub" oriented carrier. Only one station (BWI) is on a coast, and that was already a major connecting point to begin with. And STL Top Ten!
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Fri May 29, 2020 11:53 pm

Interesting to see WN coming back in on OKC-ATL at 3x daily. DL was 6x daily and all mainline before this craziness so WN must see an opportunity. However their lack of loyalty to the OKC market lately has made a lot of people jump ship. Assuming this is part of the opportunity to capitalize on the competition being down.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Fri May 29, 2020 11:57 pm

wnflyguy wrote:
December 18th 2020 was used as a reference.
As for my early post about 100 less aircraft.
I was told they have 747 Aircraft and only built the schedule with 640 aircraft.
Still a far cry better than everyone else in this environment.
Hopefully the gamble pays off.

Flyguy


Do you really think a schedule for a date more than six months away has any relevance at this point?
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Sat May 30, 2020 12:24 am

tomaheath wrote:
Is there still a minimum number of flights a station needs to have in order to be staffed by full time WN employees?


For ramp service. In our TWU contract anything over 14 daily departures must be staffed by WN ramp union members. Anything less than 14 can be outsourced to contract employees.

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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Sat May 30, 2020 12:44 am

MIflyer12 wrote:
wnflyguy wrote:
December 18th 2020 was used as a reference.
As for my early post about 100 less aircraft.
I was told they have 747 Aircraft and only built the schedule with 640 aircraft.
Still a far cry better than everyone else in this environment.
Hopefully the gamble pays off.

Flyguy


Do you really think a schedule for a date more than six months away has any relevance at this point?


Future cancellations are down week over week.
New booking keep rising.
90% of the US has been on Lockdown with social distancing. Just watch your local news everyone has cabin fever and are starting to revolt.
Aftermath this pandemic scare like 9/11 everyone always pushed off FVR travel with the maybe next year. Everyone guilt kicks in I'm gonna go now because life doesn't wait. So they take the vacation or trip they always wanted.
Hopefully the whole industry sees a huge spike demand squashing all the industry doom predictions.

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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Sat May 30, 2020 1:00 am

wnflyguy wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:

Which week are you using?


Has to be a holiday week or week up to one because the ones I counted had less for non holiday


December 18th 2020 was used as a reference.
Flyguy



Okay. That makes sense then. The holiday schedule kicks in the 17th. I had counted the non holiday schedule.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Sat May 30, 2020 4:09 am

WNagent310 wrote:
tomaheath wrote:
Is there still a minimum number of flights a station needs to have in order to be staffed by full time WN employees?


For ramp service. In our TWU contract anything over 14 daily departures must be staffed by WN ramp union members. Anything less than 14 can be outsourced to contract employees.

Not quite 14.
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Sat May 30, 2020 4:19 am

I'm wondering what the reasoning was behind WN cutting MDW-IND. Was it too short a stage to be effective, similar to DAL-OKC cuts from last fall?
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Sat May 30, 2020 4:35 am

ctrabs0114 wrote:
I'm wondering what the reasoning was behind WN cutting MDW-IND. Was it too short a stage to be effective, similar to DAL-OKC cuts from last fall?


Midwestindy probably knows better but I don’t think the loads were great and I’m sure there probably was a majority connecting. With adding IND-STL they can just reroute them thru STL (or other “hubs”).
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Sat May 30, 2020 5:53 am

Jshank83 wrote:
ctrabs0114 wrote:
I'm wondering what the reasoning was behind WN cutting MDW-IND. Was it too short a stage to be effective, similar to DAL-OKC cuts from last fall?


Midwestindy probably knows better but I don’t think the loads were great and I’m sure there probably was a majority connecting. With adding IND-STL they can just reroute them thru STL (or other “hubs”).


Second time that route has been cut. It was cut some years ago and then restored.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Sat May 30, 2020 6:13 am

WNagent310 wrote:
tomaheath wrote:
Is there still a minimum number of flights a station needs to have in order to be staffed by full time WN employees?


For ramp service. In our TWU contract anything over 14 daily departures must be staffed by WN ramp union members. Anything less than 14 can be outsourced to contract employees.

WNagent310


It’s 12 flights, and does not apply to stations in operation prior to 2009.
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Sat May 30, 2020 2:51 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
ctrabs0114 wrote:
I'm wondering what the reasoning was behind WN cutting MDW-IND. Was it too short a stage to be effective, similar to DAL-OKC cuts from last fall?


Midwestindy probably knows better but I don’t think the loads were great and I’m sure there probably was a majority connecting. With adding IND-STL they can just reroute them thru STL (or other “hubs”).


The flight has been on and off for the past year or two

O&D was only about 10 PDEW, and loads were bad, and yields were weak.

WN has been trimming down basically anything from IND that doesn't touch Florida, DEN, PHX, DAL, or BWI: BOS, DCA, OAK, LAX, AUS, MSY, CUN, SAN, EWR+LGA, and MDW have all been cut entirely or trimmed significantly.

Somewhat surprised they are still running IND-MCI
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Sat May 30, 2020 3:23 pm

ctrabs0114 wrote:
I'm wondering what the reasoning was behind WN cutting MDW-IND. Was it too short a stage to be effective, similar to DAL-OKC cuts from last fall?


MDW-IND only had an PDEW of 13 passengers per day in Q3 2019, and over 91% of the passengers on WN's MDW-IND flights were connecting to other destinations in Q3 2019.

DAL-OKC only had a PDEW of 32 passengers per day in Q3 2019, and over 89% of the passengers on WN's DAL-OKC flights were connecting to other destinations in Q3 2019.

WN is likely dropping MDW-IND nonstop service for similar reasons as DAL-OKC, including (a) not enough O&D traffic and (b) majority of passengers on WN's DAL-OKC and MDW-IND flights connecting to other cities.

On the other hand, WN has kept ATL-GSP and MDW-GRR nonstop service, even with ATL-GSP and MDW-GRR being shorter than MDW-IND and DAL-OKC and both of these routes having a higher percentage of connecting traffic than MDW-IND or DAL-OKC, due to GSP and GRR being much smaller WN stations that have daily nonstop service to fewer cities on WN than IND or OKC.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Sat May 30, 2020 6:06 pm

https://thepointsguy.com/news/southwest ... -schedule/

"Southwest Airlines is cutting more than 100 routes from its ‘full’ schedule this winter"

-Los Angeles (LAX) loses nonstop flights to Atlanta (ATL), Pittsburgh (PIT) and Tampa (TPA); Oakland (OAK) to Atlanta and Orlando (MCO); San Diego (SAN) to Atlanta, Orlando and Tampa; and San Jose, California (SJC) to Baltimore/Washington (BWI) and Orlando.

-The city most affected by Southwest’s route cuts is Fort Lauderdale (FLL). The airline will end all but two international routes — to Cancun (CUN) and Montego Bay (MBJ) — as well as nonstop service to Birmingham (BHM), Boston (BOS), Cleveland (CLE), Jacksonville (JAX), Hartford (BDL), Las Vegas (LAS), Long Island MacArthur (ISP) and Louisville (SDF)

-The carrier will operate nearly 16% more flights, or up to 263 departures a day, from Denver at the end of the year compared to 2019, Cirium shows. Southwest flew up to just 214 departures from the Mile High City last December.

-The numbers do not include routes to Newark Liberty (EWR) where the airline ended service on Nov. 3, 2019
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Sat May 30, 2020 6:09 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
https://thepointsguy.com/news/southwest-airlines-cutting-routes-from-winter-schedule/

"Southwest Airlines is cutting more than 100 routes from its ‘full’ schedule this winter"

-Los Angeles (LAX) loses nonstop flights to Atlanta (ATL), Pittsburgh (PIT) and Tampa (TPA); Oakland (OAK) to Atlanta and Orlando (MCO); San Diego (SAN) to Atlanta, Orlando and Tampa; and San Jose, California (SJC) to Baltimore/Washington (BWI) and Orlando.

-The city most affected by Southwest’s route cuts is Fort Lauderdale (FLL). The airline will end all but two international routes — to Cancun (CUN) and Montego Bay (MBJ) — as well as nonstop service to Birmingham (BHM), Boston (BOS), Cleveland (CLE), Jacksonville (JAX), Hartford (BDL), Las Vegas (LAS), Long Island MacArthur (ISP) and Louisville (SDF)

-The carrier will operate nearly 16% more flights, or up to 263 departures a day, from Denver at the end of the year compared to 2019, Cirium shows. Southwest flew up to just 214 departures from the Mile High City last December.

-The numbers do not include routes to Newark Liberty (EWR) where the airline ended service on Nov. 3, 2019


I wonder if anyone has the entire list of routes?
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