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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Tue Jul 21, 2020 9:42 pm

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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Tue Jul 21, 2020 10:01 pm

AmericanAir88 wrote:
I check the KLAS arrivals and departures board to track what gates are being used. I noticed something odd. Why is a Southwest flight from LGA on the Arrivals board?

Is this a mistake? Is SWA planning a LGA nonstop?

Photo: https://imgur.com/gallery/xFixZ7q

WN boards usually show all the destinations the aircraft arrives from. It will show WN370 as three individual flights coming from LGA, DEN, and OMA.
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Wed Jul 22, 2020 1:29 am

KLMatSJC wrote:
AmericanAir88 wrote:
I check the KLAS arrivals and departures board to track what gates are being used. I noticed something odd. Why is a Southwest flight from LGA on the Arrivals board?

Is this a mistake? Is SWA planning a LGA nonstop?

Photo: https://imgur.com/gallery/xFixZ7q

WN boards usually show all the destinations the aircraft arrives from. It will show WN370 as three individual flights coming from LGA, DEN, and OMA.


Why doesn't SWA offer that flight to NYC customers? I know people who would love Southwest flying "direct" from LGA. It is not like you would miss your connection since its the same plane.

I personally prefer connections. (More planes, exploration, and footage).
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Wed Jul 22, 2020 3:07 am

AmericanAir88 wrote:
KLMatSJC wrote:
AmericanAir88 wrote:
I check the KLAS arrivals and departures board to track what gates are being used. I noticed something odd. Why is a Southwest flight from LGA on the Arrivals board?

Is this a mistake? Is SWA planning a LGA nonstop?

Photo: https://imgur.com/gallery/xFixZ7q

WN boards usually show all the destinations the aircraft arrives from. It will show WN370 as three individual flights coming from LGA, DEN, and OMA.


Why doesn't SWA offer that flight to NYC customers? I know people who would love Southwest flying "direct" from LGA. It is not like you would miss your connection since its the same plane.

I personally prefer connections. (More planes, exploration, and footage).


That would be illegal.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:26 am

AmericanAir88 wrote:
KLMatSJC wrote:
AmericanAir88 wrote:
I check the KLAS arrivals and departures board to track what gates are being used. I noticed something odd. Why is a Southwest flight from LGA on the Arrivals board?

Is this a mistake? Is SWA planning a LGA nonstop?

Photo: https://imgur.com/gallery/xFixZ7q

WN boards usually show all the destinations the aircraft arrives from. It will show WN370 as three individual flights coming from LGA, DEN, and OMA.


Why doesn't SWA offer that flight to NYC customers? I know people who would love Southwest flying "direct" from LGA. It is not like you would miss your connection since its the same plane.

I personally prefer connections. (More planes, exploration, and footage).


A perimeter rule prohibits nonstop flights to or from points beyond 1,500 miles (2,400 km), but exceptions to the perimeter rule are flights on Saturdays and flights to Denver.


There might be other exceptions I don’t know about but that’s the gist of it. LGA-LAS would only be allowed on Saturday’s. They could fly to EWR or JFK but since they don’t serve those airports it isn’t an option
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Wed Jul 22, 2020 6:56 am

Jshank83 wrote:
AmericanAir88 wrote:
KLMatSJC wrote:
WN boards usually show all the destinations the aircraft arrives from. It will show WN370 as three individual flights coming from LGA, DEN, and OMA.


Why doesn't SWA offer that flight to NYC customers? I know people who would love Southwest flying "direct" from LGA. It is not like you would miss your connection since its the same plane.

I personally prefer connections. (More planes, exploration, and footage).


A perimeter rule prohibits nonstop flights to or from points beyond 1,500 miles (2,400 km), but exceptions to the perimeter rule are flights on Saturdays and flights to Denver.


There might be other exceptions I don’t know about but that’s the gist of it. LGA-LAS would only be allowed on Saturday’s. They could fly to EWR or JFK but since they don’t serve those airports it isn’t an option


They're asking why it isn't sold as a direct through flight, not as a non-stop flight. They are willing to put up with the stops just to have the option. The perimeter rule is not an issue in this case.

And in fact, flight 370 is listed as a bookable option LGA-LAS with two stops.
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Wed Jul 22, 2020 1:10 pm

barney captain wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
AmericanAir88 wrote:

Why doesn't SWA offer that flight to NYC customers? I know people who would love Southwest flying "direct" from LGA. It is not like you would miss your connection since its the same plane.

I personally prefer connections. (More planes, exploration, and footage).


A perimeter rule prohibits nonstop flights to or from points beyond 1,500 miles (2,400 km), but exceptions to the perimeter rule are flights on Saturdays and flights to Denver.


There might be other exceptions I don’t know about but that’s the gist of it. LGA-LAS would only be allowed on Saturday’s. They could fly to EWR or JFK but since they don’t serve those airports it isn’t an option


They're asking why it isn't sold as a direct through flight, not as a non-stop flight. They are willing to put up with the stops just to have the option. The perimeter rule is not an issue in this case.

And in fact, flight 370 is listed as a bookable option LGA-LAS with two stops.


Ohh yes. I mis-read it and didn’t see direct. Thanks for the correction.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Wed Jul 22, 2020 6:11 pm

barney captain wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
AmericanAir88 wrote:

Why doesn't SWA offer that flight to NYC customers? I know people who would love Southwest flying "direct" from LGA. It is not like you would miss your connection since its the same plane.

I personally prefer connections. (More planes, exploration, and footage).


A perimeter rule prohibits nonstop flights to or from points beyond 1,500 miles (2,400 km), but exceptions to the perimeter rule are flights on Saturdays and flights to Denver.


There might be other exceptions I don’t know about but that’s the gist of it. LGA-LAS would only be allowed on Saturday’s. They could fly to EWR or JFK but since they don’t serve those airports it isn’t an option


They're asking why it isn't sold as a direct through flight, not as a non-stop flight. They are willing to put up with the stops just to have the option. The perimeter rule is not an issue in this case.

And in fact, flight 370 is listed as a bookable option LGA-LAS with two stops.


I just saw that. If I was on SWA's marketing team, I would definitely try to advertise this route. LAS is a competitive market from NYC. AA, DL, UA, B6, F9, and NK all offer direct flights. If airlines really want to start trouble, just imagine SY offering a EWR-LAS.

WN does have a lot of connectivity though. I wonder if they will expand in LGA.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Wed Jul 22, 2020 7:08 pm

It might be a through flight, but with ground times of probably 45-60 minutes at each stop Not sure folks would be happy with that even though the arrival time is the same LOL.
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Thu Jul 23, 2020 2:41 am

The late october (and i would guess early Nov) schedule just updated because I just got a handful of flight change alerts.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Thu Jul 23, 2020 1:00 pm

AmericanAir88 wrote:
I check the KLAS arrivals and departures board to track what gates are being used. I noticed something odd. Why is a Southwest flight from LGA on the Arrivals board?

Is this a mistake? Is SWA planning a LGA nonstop?

Photo: https://imgur.com/gallery/xFixZ7q

From a practical view, LAS nonstop from LGA on a hot humid day or with a contaminated runway might be a squeaker with a full load, no?
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Thu Jul 23, 2020 3:56 pm

WN dropping temporary dropping LGB-SJC in September moving up PHX and AUS 30 days. Adding back LAS and DEN temporary in September.

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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Wed Jul 29, 2020 1:33 pm

Southwest will now extend its schedule on 8/13 (prev 8/27) and go through April 11, 2021 (prev 3/10/21). This is the first time in my recent memory where WN is extending for all of spring break. This extension usually only runs through early March.

https://www.southwest.com/air/flight-sc ... -SCHEDULES
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Wed Jul 29, 2020 5:38 pm

SteveXC500 wrote:
Southwest will now extend its schedule on 8/13 (prev 8/27) and go through April 11, 2021 (prev 3/10/21). This is the first time in my recent memory where WN is extending for all of spring break. This extension usually only runs through early March.

https://www.southwest.com/air/flight-sc ... -SCHEDULES

They probably need more time to sale the seats in this depressed environment. Also with the 30 day out schedule adjustments now temporary eliminate the fly what you published regardless of the bookings. It's a cancel and consolidate industry right now unfortunately.

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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Wed Jul 29, 2020 6:36 pm

SteveXC500 wrote:
Southwest will now extend its schedule on 8/13 (prev 8/27) and go through April 11, 2021 (prev 3/10/21). This is the first time in my recent memory where WN is extending for all of spring break. This extension usually only runs through early March.

https://www.southwest.com/air/flight-sc ... -SCHEDULES


WN had schedule extensions back on 8/11/2015, 8/4/2016, 8/28/2017, and 8/30/2018 that extended its flight schedule through March and early April.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Wed Jul 29, 2020 6:53 pm

jplatts wrote:
SteveXC500 wrote:
Southwest will now extend its schedule on 8/13 (prev 8/27) and go through April 11, 2021 (prev 3/10/21). This is the first time in my recent memory where WN is extending for all of spring break. This extension usually only runs through early March.

https://www.southwest.com/air/flight-sc ... -SCHEDULES


WN had schedule extensions back on 8/11/2015, 8/4/2016, 8/28/2017, and 8/30/2018 that extended its flight schedule through March and early April.


I shop spring break every time they extend but in those years, they only went to the first weekend in March which meant I had to break up my purchase into one way flights.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Wed Jul 29, 2020 7:00 pm

Here is the breakdown of WN nonstop service out of DAL starting on August 11th:
5x ABQ, 4x AMA, 6x ATL, 7x AUS, 2x BHM, 5x BNA, 5x BWI, 1x CHS, 1x CLT, 1x CMH, 3x DCA, 7x DEN, 3x ECP, 4x ELP, 2x FLL, 13x HOU, 2x IND, 6x LAS, 5x LAX, 3x LBB, 2x LGA, 2x LIT, 3x MAF, 5x MCI, 4x MCO, 7x MDW, 2x MEM, 1x MKE, 1x MSP, 4x MSY, 2x OAK, 1x OMA, 6x PHX, 1x PIT, 3x PNS, 4x SAN, 7x SAT, 3x SJC, 1x SLC, 1x SMF, 5x STL, 3x TPA, 4x TUL

157 daily departures out of DAL on 8/11/2020
DAL-CLT/IND/MKE/MSP/SLC nonstop service resuming on 8/11/2020
DAL-BUR/DTW/ONT/PHL/RDU/SDF nonstop service still suspended until at least 10/8/2020

With the cuts that WN has made at DAL in the last 4 months as a result of the COVID-19 pandemic, there is enough room at DAL for WN to make adds such as (a) the addition of DAL-BUF/CVG/BDL/ORF nonstop service and (b) the return of DAL-BOS/CLE/HRL/JAX/PDX/RNO/SEA/PBI nonstop service.

Is WN likely to announce any new nonstop routes out of DAL in its upcoming 8/13/2020 schedule extension with the extra capacity that is available at DAL?
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Wed Aug 05, 2020 4:35 pm

Looks like a big schedule change is going to be pushed thru tomorrow. Lots of cutbacks. Some as early as next week.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Wed Aug 05, 2020 4:50 pm

Last thing I heard Was AUG cuts go into effect next Monday. This week daily cancellations will happen to flights that can be consolidated.
A revised September-January 4th schedule will be released on the 13th in addition to the January 5- April 3 schedule.
I expect the MAX being removed from the November and December schedule since it's now looking like February return to service time frame. Also sounds like to the spike in covid numbers across Hawaii that 14 quarantine going to be extended until January that will probably result in some further cuts.
LGB still planning on the Slot allocation lottery but giving awarded Airlines until April 2021 to start service due to the Covid environment. So WN will most likely continue to ask for all available slots for future planning.

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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Wed Aug 05, 2020 5:12 pm

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Also sounds like to the spike in covid numbers across Hawaii that 14 quarantine going to be extended until January that will probably result in some further cuts.

Flyguy


Where the heck did you hear January??
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Wed Aug 05, 2020 6:57 pm

Using LGB as an example From Southwest.com.
LGB has yet again been reshuffled for the . September schedule Show the elimination of 4 SJC and now 1 AUS that was moved up from November originally.
OAK 3 , SMF 3 , PHX 3, LAS 2 and DEN 2.
Everything retime for ultimate system wide connections.

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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Wed Aug 05, 2020 9:14 pm

Using Southwest.Com looks like Hawaii markets got a some reduced flying for September.
Looks like 3 daily flights between each market HNL-ITO/LIH,KOA and OGG.
Looks like HNL-SAN shelved I'm gonna guess until summer 2021.

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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Wed Aug 05, 2020 10:10 pm

wnflyguy wrote:
Using Southwest.Com looks like Hawaii markets got a some reduced flying for September.
Looks like 3 daily flights between each market HNL-ITO/LIH,KOA and OGG.
Looks like HNL-SAN shelved I'm gonna guess until summer 2021.
Now SAN-HNL showing bookable all the way into December schedule.
Within 2 hours of checking Southwest.com went from no non stop available to Daily thru December.
Unfortunately I ran out of the A.Net time limits to edit my post.
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Wed Aug 05, 2020 10:19 pm

wnflyguy wrote:
wnflyguy wrote:
Using Southwest.Com looks like Hawaii markets got a some reduced flying for September.
Looks like 3 daily flights between each market HNL-ITO/LIH,KOA and OGG.
Looks like HNL-SAN shelved I'm gonna guess until summer 2021.
Now SAN-HNL showing bookable all the way into December schedule.
Within 2 hours of checking Southwest.com went from no non stop available to Daily thru December.
Unfortunately I ran out of the A.Net time limits to edit my post.
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There will be a bunch more changes in the morning. Might as well wait til then to look.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Wed Aug 05, 2020 10:24 pm

Silver1SWA wrote:
wnflyguy wrote:
Also sounds like to the spike in covid numbers across Hawaii that 14 quarantine going to be extended until January that will probably result in some further cuts.

Flyguy


Where the heck did you hear January??


I’m sure it’s an unconfirmed rumor but it makes sense. Hawaii has seen a large spike in cases in recent weeks, even without allowing mainlanders in. Though, I don’t see why the state wouldn’t just extend it one to two months at a time.

Hawaii has to be absolutely the worst state hit by this. I heard some crazy number like 30-40% unemployment? Not sure how the state is going to “survive” for the next couple of years, especially if they keep dragging the quarantine timeframe on
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Wed Aug 05, 2020 10:43 pm

joeblow10 wrote:
Silver1SWA wrote:
wnflyguy wrote:
Also sounds like to the spike in covid numbers across Hawaii that 14 quarantine going to be extended until January that will probably result in some further cuts.

Flyguy


Where the heck did you hear January??


I’m sure it’s an unconfirmed rumor but it makes sense. Hawaii has seen a large spike in cases in recent weeks, even without allowing mainlanders in. Though, I don’t see why the state wouldn’t just extend it one to two months at a time.

Hawaii has to be absolutely the worst state hit by this. I heard some crazy number like 30-40% unemployment? Not sure how the state is going to “survive” for the next couple of years, especially if they keep dragging the quarantine timeframe on


I’m aware of the situation in Hawaii and follow it closely which is why I’m curious about where that poster heard the rumor.
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Wed Aug 05, 2020 11:03 pm

Sept got gutted...
PVD has 7 (4 BWI 1 DCA 1 MDW 1 MCO)
BDL has 4 (3 BWI 1 MDW)
BOS has 8 (4 BWI 1 MDW 2 BNA 1 DEN)
MHT has 5 (4 BWI 1 MDW)
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Thu Aug 06, 2020 12:37 am

Silver1SWA wrote:
joeblow10 wrote:
Silver1SWA wrote:

Where the heck did you hear January??


I’m sure it’s an unconfirmed rumor but it makes sense. Hawaii has seen a large spike in cases in recent weeks, even without allowing mainlanders in. Though, I don’t see why the state wouldn’t just extend it one to two months at a time.

Hawaii has to be absolutely the worst state hit by this. I heard some crazy number like 30-40% unemployment? Not sure how the state is going to “survive” for the next couple of years, especially if they keep dragging the quarantine timeframe on


I’m aware of the situation in Hawaii and follow it closely which is why I’m curious about where that poster heard the rumor.


I did find this, but there isn’t much here, let alone a Jan 1 date listed for pushback.

https://www.kitv.com/story/42452087/haw ... ases-spike
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Thu Aug 06, 2020 12:56 am

joeblow10 wrote:
Silver1SWA wrote:
joeblow10 wrote:

I’m sure it’s an unconfirmed rumor but it makes sense. Hawaii has seen a large spike in cases in recent weeks, even without allowing mainlanders in. Though, I don’t see why the state wouldn’t just extend it one to two months at a time.

Hawaii has to be absolutely the worst state hit by this. I heard some crazy number like 30-40% unemployment? Not sure how the state is going to “survive” for the next couple of years, especially if they keep dragging the quarantine timeframe on


I’m aware of the situation in Hawaii and follow it closely which is why I’m curious about where that poster heard the rumor.


I did find this, but there isn’t much here, let alone a Jan 1 date listed for pushback.

https://www.kitv.com/story/42452087/haw ... ases-spike


There’s every indication the Sept 1 reopening of tourism isn’t happening. In fact it was just reported the Governor expected to announce a 30 day lockdown very soon. So Hawaii is going backwards. But there has been very little said about what happens beyond September 1, much less January.
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Thu Aug 06, 2020 1:38 am

Here is the breakdown of WN nonstop service out of DAL starting on September 7th:
3x ABQ, 2x AMA, 3x ATL, 4x AUS, 2x BHM, 4x BNA, 3x BWI, 1x CHS, 1x CLT, 1x CMH, 1x DCA, 6x DEN, 1x ECP, 3x ELP, 3x FLL, 10x HOU, 1x IND, 6x LAS, 3x LAX, 3x LBB, 1x LGA, 2x LIT, 3x MAF, 3x MCI, 4x MCO, 7x MDW, 1x MEM, 3x MSY, 2x OAK, 1x OMA, 5x PHX, 1x PIT, 1x PNS, 2x SAN, 4x SAT, 1x SJC, 1x SLC, 1x SMF, 4x STL, 2x TPA, 3x TUL

113 daily departures out of DAL on 9/7/2020
DAL-CMH/MKE/MSP/PIT suspended starting on 9/6/2020 through at least 10/8/2020
DAL-BUR/DTW/ONT/PHL/RDU/SDF nonstop service still suspended until at least 10/8/2020
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Thu Aug 06, 2020 1:42 am

RL757PVD wrote:
Sept got gutted...
PVD has 7 (4 BWI 1 DCA 1 MDW 1 MCO)
BDL has 4 (3 BWI 1 MDW)
BOS has 8 (4 BWI 1 MDW 2 BNA 1 DEN)
MHT has 5 (4 BWI 1 MDW)

That’s about where we were at a few months ago.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Thu Aug 06, 2020 2:29 am

Silver1SWA wrote:
joeblow10 wrote:
Silver1SWA wrote:

I’m aware of the situation in Hawaii and follow it closely which is why I’m curious about where that poster heard the rumor.


I did find this, but there isn’t much here, let alone a Jan 1 date listed for pushback.

https://www.kitv.com/story/42452087/haw ... ases-spike


There’s every indication the Sept 1 reopening of tourism isn’t happening. In fact it was just reported the Governor expected to announce a 30 day lockdown very soon. So Hawaii is going backwards. But there has been very little said about what happens beyond September 1, much less January.

Reading comments from the governor on Monday saying that Hawaii is going in the wrong direction with Covid cases and maybe forced to keep the quarantine until January. The ultimate threat if opening up tourism Could cause increases the covid cases to go up. The Hospitals will not be able to handle a massive spike like the mainland. There closely watch California Hawaii's number one tourism stream have issues with covid spikes.

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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Thu Aug 06, 2020 3:44 am

wnflyguy wrote:
Silver1SWA wrote:
joeblow10 wrote:

I did find this, but there isn’t much here, let alone a Jan 1 date listed for pushback.

https://www.kitv.com/story/42452087/haw ... ases-spike


There’s every indication the Sept 1 reopening of tourism isn’t happening. In fact it was just reported the Governor expected to announce a 30 day lockdown very soon. So Hawaii is going backwards. But there has been very little said about what happens beyond September 1, much less January.

Reading comments from the governor on Monday saying that Hawaii is going in the wrong direction with Covid cases and maybe forced to keep the quarantine until January. The ultimate threat if opening up tourism Could cause increases the covid cases to go up. The Hospitals will not be able to handle a massive spike like the mainland. There closely watch California Hawaii's number one tourism stream have issues with covid spikes.

Flyguy


Because their policies have worked so well, roll eyes. Welcome to your spike Hawaii.

Funny California is mentioned. How'd those draconian measures work for them. Oh, they spiked just like those non draconian states Florida and Texas and are now dipping just like those beaten down by the media states.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Thu Aug 06, 2020 1:18 pm

Sept was seriously gutted, indeed. MSP currently has MDW, DEN, STL, BNA. In Sept, it's going backwards to just DEN and MDW - 7 departures per day. Pretty much back to April levels. Bad news.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Thu Aug 06, 2020 1:45 pm

WaywardMemphian wrote:

Because their policies have worked so well, roll eyes. Welcome to your spike Hawaii.

Funny California is mentioned. How'd those draconian measures work for them. Oh, they spiked just like those non draconian states Florida and Texas and are now dipping just like those beaten down by the media states.


Don't let readily available statistics (Reuters, updated 8:15am 8/6/20) get in the way of your rant. Confirmed cases per 100K residents, rank among 50 states + DC (higher is worse):

Florida, 2341, #3

Texas, 1652, #15

California, 1349, #23

Hawaii, 195, #51

https://graphics.reuters.com/HEALTH-COR ... index.html
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Thu Aug 06, 2020 3:53 pm

SteveXC500 wrote:
Sept was seriously gutted, indeed. MSP currently has MDW, DEN, STL, BNA. In Sept, it's going backwards to just DEN and MDW - 7 departures per day. Pretty much back to April levels. Bad news.

The schedule for 15 Oct looks better MDW 6, DEN 4, STL 3, BNA 2. The same thing happened here in MEM cuts in Sep and back up to all cities all flights looking at 15 Oct schedules.(as always schedules can change any week)
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Thu Aug 06, 2020 3:57 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
WaywardMemphian wrote:

Because their policies have worked so well, roll eyes. Welcome to your spike Hawaii.

Funny California is mentioned. How'd those draconian measures work for them. Oh, they spiked just like those non draconian states Florida and Texas and are now dipping just like those beaten down by the media states.


Don't let readily available statistics (Reuters, updated 8:15am 8/6/20) get in the way of your rant. Confirmed cases per 100K residents, rank among 50 states + DC (higher is worse):

Florida, 2341, #3

Texas, 1652, #15

California, 1349, #23

Hawaii, 195, #51

https://graphics.reuters.com/HEALTH-COR ... index.html



California is a much more populous state than Florida) around 15 million more) and can spread out those folks to more insular people clusters outside of major metro areas but continue and Hawai is just getting going. This virus is very micro. The Florida spike was very much Miami centric, eventually it works it's way into every MSA/ CSA and you have to look at them at that level. Here in NWA we had our spike and now were have leveled off off to around the same amount of cases per day, about half or even less than peak but much more manageable, now the Little Rock area(Pulaski Co) is getting slammed. We can debate all this you want but the chart all should an eventual spike and fall. A friend is an Oncologist in Dallas. He said you can see this pattern there. The majormeteos arw past peak and are coming down an it had moved to the next step down like Corpus Christi. It will stair step it's way down and then level off. Sweden spiked and it dropped like a rock as Stockholm got it's spike out of the way and now it appears to be leveling off at a much more manageable level across the smaller areas.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Thu Aug 06, 2020 4:01 pm

A whole lot of Florida flying has been cut, which is a bit different from the April. Make sense, but it hurts to see it.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Thu Aug 06, 2020 4:19 pm

CRP, GSP, RIC, and ROC will be down to only 2 daily departures on weekdays on WN starting on 9/7/2020, and it is unusual for WN to have fewer than 3 scheduled daily departures on weekdays from a domestic station.

Here is the breakdown of WN service out of CRP, GSP, RIC, and ROC starting on 9/7/2020:
CRP - 2x HOU
GSP - 2x ATL
RIC - 2x ATL
ROC - 2x BWI
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Thu Aug 06, 2020 4:23 pm

WaywardMemphian wrote:
California is a much more populous state than Florida) around 15 million more) and can spread out those folks to more insular people clusters outside of major metro areas...


The U.S. Census Bureau ranks California among the most heavily urban states in the country - right up with New Jersey. There's no 'spreading out.' Over 70% of the state's total population of 39.5 million is clustered in just the two LA/Long Beach and San Jose/San Francisco/Oakland CSAs. That's far more than the entire population of Florida by 2019 Census estimates. It's very nearly as many people as all of Texas.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Thu Aug 06, 2020 4:35 pm

SELMER40 wrote:
SteveXC500 wrote:
Sept was seriously gutted, indeed. MSP currently has MDW, DEN, STL, BNA. In Sept, it's going backwards to just DEN and MDW - 7 departures per day. Pretty much back to April levels. Bad news.

The schedule for 15 Oct looks better MDW 6, DEN 4, STL 3, BNA 2. The same thing happened here in MEM cuts in Sep and back up to all cities all flights looking at 15 Oct schedules.(as always schedules can change any week)


Well that is only because they have yet to cut the October schedule to a realistic traffic schedule. I feel it will also be about like Septembers.
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Fri Aug 07, 2020 2:02 am

Silver1SWA wrote:
joeblow10 wrote:
Silver1SWA wrote:

Where the heck did you hear January??


I’m sure it’s an unconfirmed rumor but it makes sense. Hawaii has seen a large spike in cases in recent weeks, even without allowing mainlanders in. Though, I don’t see why the state wouldn’t just extend it one to two months at a time.

Hawaii has to be absolutely the worst state hit by this. I heard some crazy number like 30-40% unemployment? Not sure how the state is going to “survive” for the next couple of years, especially if they keep dragging the quarantine timeframe on


I’m aware of the situation in Hawaii and follow it closely which is why I’m curious about where that poster heard the rumor.


Just saw on the news Hawaii going to reinstate 14 day inter island quarantine Travel requirements.

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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Fri Aug 07, 2020 3:39 am

wnflyguy wrote:
Silver1SWA wrote:
joeblow10 wrote:

I’m sure it’s an unconfirmed rumor but it makes sense. Hawaii has seen a large spike in cases in recent weeks, even without allowing mainlanders in. Though, I don’t see why the state wouldn’t just extend it one to two months at a time.

Hawaii has to be absolutely the worst state hit by this. I heard some crazy number like 30-40% unemployment? Not sure how the state is going to “survive” for the next couple of years, especially if they keep dragging the quarantine timeframe on


I’m aware of the situation in Hawaii and follow it closely which is why I’m curious about where that poster heard the rumor.


Just saw on the news Hawaii going to reinstate 14 day inter island quarantine Travel requirements.

Flyguy


Yep. Great timing too, since they’re adding more interisland flights Sunday. :ouch:
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Fri Aug 07, 2020 3:05 pm

Silver1SWA wrote:
wnflyguy wrote:
Silver1SWA wrote:

I’m aware of the situation in Hawaii and follow it closely which is why I’m curious about where that poster heard the rumor.


Just saw on the news Hawaii going to reinstate 14 day inter island quarantine Travel requirements.

Flyguy


Yep. Great timing too, since they’re adding more interisland flights Sunday. :ouch:


Wow that is gonna suck if loads drop. But it should be easy for WN to quickly adjust inter island turns.
So I saw a news feed this morning that Hawaii officials are trying to contain the Hawaii Pandemic Loop hole. Mainland tourists are now booking 2 separate flights to escape the 14 day quarantine.
They book a separate round trip flight to Hawaii and then buy a separate inter island flight under a different reservations since inter island travel is exempt From the 14 day quarantine.
There is a whole YouTube travel page on how to beat the government at there own game not just in Hawaii but other parts of the US. It included you will be required to claim and recheck your bags at the transfer point.
Maui and Kona have seen a rise in resort reservation by mainlanders working the system.

It's like the Hawaii version of the getting around the old DAL wright amendment. But with a impact on the Hawaiian covid cases.

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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Fri Aug 07, 2020 3:53 pm

wnflyguy wrote:
Silver1SWA wrote:
wnflyguy wrote:

Just saw on the news Hawaii going to reinstate 14 day inter island quarantine Travel requirements.

Flyguy


Yep. Great timing too, since they’re adding more interisland flights Sunday. :ouch:


Wow that is gonna suck if loads drop. But it should be easy for WN to quickly adjust inter island turns.
So I saw a news feed this morning that Hawaii officials are trying to contain the Hawaii Pandemic Loop hole. Mainland tourists are now booking 2 separate flights to escape the 14 day quarantine.
They book a separate round trip flight to Hawaii and then buy a separate inter island flight under a different reservations since inter island travel is exempt From the 14 day quarantine.
There is a whole YouTube travel page on how to beat the government at there own game not just in Hawaii but other parts of the US. It included you will be required to claim and recheck your bags at the transfer point.
Maui and Kona have seen a rise in resort reservation by mainlanders working the system.

It's like the Hawaii version of the getting around the old DAL wright amendment. But with a impact on the Hawaiian covid cases.

Flyguy


I’m confused - why would that loophole work without the inter island quarantine requirement? The state as a whole is mandating you quarantine for 14 days upon arrival. So you’re headed to a different island? Wouldn’t you just have to quarantine on that island?

I haven’t been, but I’ve seen the forms you have to fill out. They ask you for the address you’re staying at in Hawaii, no? So if you lie or put down a different address, isn’t that cause for penalty?
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Wed Aug 12, 2020 5:55 am

Well on a positive note heard today that WN is getting 2 more gates at HNL. Gates G5 and G6 these both have jetways. Bringing the Total WN Gates to 6.
4 hard stand and 2 jetways.

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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Wed Aug 12, 2020 10:35 am

wnflyguy wrote:
Well on a positive note heard today that WN is getting 2 more gates at HNL. Gates G5 and G6 these both have jetways. Bringing the Total WN Gates to 6.
4 hard stand and 2 jetways.

Flyguy

WRONG!!!! ABSOLUTELY NO WAY UA GIVES UP THOSE GATES!!!
Not sure who your “source” is but UA is the primary tenant on those gates, and not giving them up to WN.
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Wed Aug 12, 2020 2:17 pm

DaCubbyBearBar wrote:
wnflyguy wrote:
Well on a positive note heard today that WN is getting 2 more gates at HNL. Gates G5 and G6 these both have jetways. Bringing the Total WN Gates to 6.
4 hard stand and 2 jetways.

Flyguy

WRONG!!!! ABSOLUTELY NO WAY UA GIVES UP THOSE GATES!!!
Not sure who your “source” is but UA is the primary tenant on those gates, and not giving them up to WN.


This Covid environment completely changed the Landscape of HNL. Spring 2021 the new Hawaiian Terminal opens moving HA A330/321 flights to the new terminal. This will allow the airport the flexibility to move airlines around.
From what I have heard WN's future proposal estimates almost a double increase of daily flights in summer 2021.
WN needs close gates for inter island and mainland connections.
Someone posted on Instagram @Southwesthnl showing the employees trying on the new gates.

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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Fri Aug 14, 2020 8:59 am

wnflyguy wrote:
Well on a positive note heard today that WN is getting 2 more gates at HNL. Gates G5 and G6 these both have jetways. Bringing the Total WN Gates to 6.
4 hard stand and 2 jetways.

Flyguy


Better get a new source, the G6 jetway doesn't bend low enough to accommodate a WN 737.
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Fri Aug 14, 2020 2:37 pm

OAHU747 wrote:
wnflyguy wrote:
Well on a positive note heard today that WN is getting 2 more gates at HNL. Gates G5 and G6 these both have jetways. Bringing the Total WN Gates to 6.
4 hard stand and 2 jetways.

Flyguy


Better get a new source, the G6 jetway doesn't bend low enough to accommodate a WN 737.


Well you know they could actually replace the jetway with a new one that could accommodate a 737......
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