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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Tue Aug 25, 2020 3:01 am

jplatts wrote:
Will WN have a special 50th anniversary livery with WN's 50th anniversary coming up on June 18, 2021, which is less than 10 months away?

If WN does have plans for a special 50th anniversary livery, I would probably expect some 737-700 and/or 737-800 planes to be repainted with the delays associated with getting the 737 MAX planes back into service.

There was a discussion two years ago about a special WN 50th anniversary livery at https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1398807, but the discussion was prior to the JT 610 crash, the ET 302 crash, or the 737 MAX grounding.


Hope so, if business is getting somewhat back to normal by mid 2021.

Wonder how a gold fuselage would look with blue and red on the tail in the style of the current livery. Just my idea with a 50 years decal before the tail.
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Re: Southwest Schedule Extension - Aug 13

Tue Aug 25, 2020 10:42 am

sprxUSA wrote:

...and WN COULD add nonstop service from DAL to anywhere in the USA. No more reason to hypothesize on it ad nauseam.....


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Re: Southwest Schedule Extension - Aug 13

Thu Aug 27, 2020 11:32 pm

Any fact from anyone on Southwest Airlines and Palm Springs (PSP) service? I see mention of limited service coming to OAK, DEN, DAL, and PHX. Post Covid. Curious if anyone knows anything concrete. Thanks.
 
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Re: Southwest Schedule Extension - Aug 13

Fri Aug 28, 2020 2:52 am

RWK wrote:
Any fact from anyone on Southwest Airlines and Palm Springs (PSP) service? I see mention of limited service coming to OAK, DEN, DAL, and PHX. Post Covid. Curious if anyone knows anything concrete. Thanks.


PSP is way down the list in this environment or post environment. I'd say PSP is back on the if ever 10 yrs from now plan.
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:07 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
WN now has pushed out its cuts through November 2nd:

This is an example of a few markets
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Chart is no longer up-to-date, looks like BNA is over 90 departures, ATL around 80, and other airports appear to have sizably more flights now
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Thu Sep 03, 2020 3:17 pm

Nice to see my MEM holding up better than most
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Thu Sep 03, 2020 8:19 pm

Southwest plans Miami and Palm Springs later this year: https://www.swamedia.com/releases/relea ... ings-calif
 
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Re: Southwest Schedule Extension - Aug 13

Thu Sep 03, 2020 9:37 pm

Flflyer83 wrote:

Limited PSP service coming post-COVID recovery with service to PHX, DEN, OAK, DAL.


Looks like it’s sooner than rumored.

I didn’t have the time to highlight all of the posts saying WN would never...
 
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Re: Southwest Schedule Extension - Aug 13

Thu Sep 03, 2020 9:39 pm

wnflyguy wrote:
RWK wrote:
Any fact from anyone on Southwest Airlines and Palm Springs (PSP) service? I see mention of limited service coming to OAK, DEN, DAL, and PHX. Post Covid. Curious if anyone knows anything concrete. Thanks.


PSP is way down the list in this environment or post environment. I'd say PSP is back on the if ever 10 yrs from now plan.
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This aged well.
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Re: Southwest Schedule Extension - Aug 13

Thu Sep 03, 2020 9:46 pm

Silver1SWA wrote:
wnflyguy wrote:
RWK wrote:
Any fact from anyone on Southwest Airlines and Palm Springs (PSP) service? I see mention of limited service coming to OAK, DEN, DAL, and PHX. Post Covid. Curious if anyone knows anything concrete. Thanks.


PSP is way down the list in this environment or post environment. I'd say PSP is back on the if ever 10 yrs from now plan.
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This aged well.

Beat me to it. LOL.
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Re: Southwest Schedule Extension - Aug 13

Thu Sep 03, 2020 9:52 pm

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Silver1SWA wrote:
wnflyguy wrote:
RWK wrote:
Any fact from anyone on Southwest Airlines and Palm Springs (PSP) service? I see mention of limited service coming to OAK, DEN, DAL, and PHX. Post Covid. Curious if anyone knows anything concrete. Thanks.


PSP is way down the list in this environment or post environment. I'd say PSP is back on the if ever 10 yrs from now plan.
Flyguy


This aged well.


WOW MIA and PSP.

Awesome news in this environment.

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Re: Southwest Schedule Extension - Aug 13

Thu Sep 03, 2020 11:26 pm

And they could add ???????? non stop to MIA and as many different airport codes as you can type to PSP.
 
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Re: Southwest Schedule Extension - Aug 13

Thu Sep 03, 2020 11:56 pm

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And they could add ???????? non stop to MIA and as many different airport codes as you can type to PSP.


In another thread, someone mentioned that MIA-HAV is a definite possibility. I believe DL may have abandoned that route recently. If those U.S.-HAV authorities become available, if WN has no interest in resuming FLL-HAV (all WN HAV service currently operates from TPA these days, right?), or both it could be an interesting opportunity - just like grabbing all of B6's LGB slots was. Stranger things have happened!
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Sun Sep 06, 2020 9:45 pm

joeblow10 wrote:
TYS also seems to fit the bill for ATL service. And of course there is ANC, if they are looking at expanding seasonal markets further.

It's been a slow few years for WN expansion in terms of new domestic cities - I'm guessing this new expansion trend will continue for the next few years


WN had previously stated that it was considering adding service to ANC, and there was a presentation given by Dave Harvey on behalf of Southwest Airlines at the 2016 ACI-NA JumpStart Air Service Development Conference back in June 2016 that said that ANC, CVG, HNL, OGG were the only 4 U.S. markets in the top 50 that weren't served by WN in June 2006.

There was also an article in the Dallas Business Journal titled "Where will Southwest Airlines fly next: Hawaii, South America or elsewhere?" that said that WN is already considering adding service to Alaska, and that article can be found at https://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/news/2017/01/24/where-will-southwest-airlines-fly-next.html.

While WN currently serves only ATL nonstop from RIC, WN adding RIC-MDW and RIC-DEN nonstop service are possibilities with
(a) Chicago and Denver being two of the top destinations traveled to from RIC that WN doesn't currently serve nonstop from RIC,
(b) MDW and DEN both being major focus cities for WN,
(c) connecting opportunities available at MDW and DEN that aren't available at ATL on WN,
(d) WN having recently added nonstop service to DEN from a few other destinations inherited through the WN-FL merger such as CLT, DSM, MEM, and ICT, and
(e) a significant amount of passengers traveling to Chicago, Denver, and points further west from RIC prior to the COVID-19 pandemic.

WN adding service to GSO, FAT, and TYS are also possibilities with GSO, FAT, and TYS being located in three of the largest U.S. metropolitan areas that aren't currently served by WN.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Wed Sep 09, 2020 12:47 am

There was an article on Forbes's website titled "Southwest Airlines Loses Another Competitive Advantage" which mentioned that WN has lost a competitive advantage it once had over AA, DL, UA, and AS with AA, DL, UA, and AS all eliminating change fees, and that article can be found at https://www.forbes.com/sites/benbaldanza/2020/09/07/southwest-airlines-loses-another-competitive-advantage/.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Wed Sep 09, 2020 7:49 pm

Why does Southwest refuse to sell the 717 fleet to Delta? Is leasing more profitable?
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Wed Sep 09, 2020 8:07 pm

blacksoviet wrote:
Why does Southwest refuse to sell the 717 fleet to Delta? Is leasing more profitable?


Pretty sure AirTran leased them from Boeing, and Delta is a sublease.

Southwest can't sell them, they don't own them.
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Sun Sep 13, 2020 10:12 pm

When will Southwest trim the Thanksgiving schedule? I am looking to fly SDF-SAN and just curious on when I should book

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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Mon Sep 14, 2020 1:07 am

ibthebigd wrote:
When will Southwest trim the Thanksgiving schedule? I am looking to fly SDF-SAN and just curious on when I should book

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I'm flying thanksgiving as well...probably United but maybe Southwest. I won't be booking a thing until schedules are set. I've been advising others the same thing that United isn't setting their schedules til about 4-5 weeks out unfortunately so having to wait a long time to book or risk a big schedule change.

On SDF-SAN, looks like still quite a few options for an Sunday in October (october has updated schedules). I'd say go ahead and book but prepare for a schedule change. If you wait to book with less flight options after schedules are updated, prices are most likely going to be higher as they consolidate flights. This is especially true with WN not booking out all their seats yet.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Mon Sep 14, 2020 1:25 am

ibthebigd wrote:
When will Southwest trim the Thanksgiving schedule? I am looking to fly SDF-SAN and just curious on when I should book

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The saving grace is that if WN changes your flight, you will get a free pass to change it yourself for free. You would just need to use the same departure and arrival cities.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Mon Sep 14, 2020 8:50 pm

I have noticed that extra frequencies are currently showing up on many WN nonstop routes in its 2021 flight schedules, including the following:
  • ATL-GSP - currently showing up as 8x on 4/5/2020 vs. the normal 3x
  • ATL-RIC - currently showing up as 8x on 4/5/2020 vs. the normal 3x
  • DAL-AMA - currently showing up as 9x on 4/5/2020 vs. the normal 4x
  • DAL-AUS - currently showing up as 23x on 4/5/2020 vs. the normal 10x
  • DAL-MDW - currently showing up as 22x on 4/5/2020 vs. the 9x originally scheduled
  • DAL-DEN - currently showing up as 26x on 4/5/2020 vs. the 9x originally scheduled
  • DAL-ELP - currently showing up as 12x on 4/5/2020 vs. the normal 4x
  • DAL-HOU - currently showing up as 26x on 4/5/2020 vs. the 16x originally scheduled
  • DAL-LGA - currently showing up as 12x on 4/5/2020 vs. the 4x originally scheduled
  • DAL-LBB - currently showing up as 13x on 4/5/2020 vs. the normal 5x
  • DAL-MAF - currently showing up as 11x on 4/5/2020 vs. the normal 5x
  • DAL-STL - currently showing up as 17x on 4/5/2020 vs. the normal 6x
  • DAL-SAT - currently showing up as 24x on 4/5/2020 vs. the normal 10x
  • DSM-STL - currently showing up as 5x on 4/5/2020 vs. the normal 2x
  • HOU-CRP - currently showing up as 8x on 4/5/2020 vs. the normal 4x
  • HOU-HRL - currently showing up as 11x on 4/5/2020 vs. the normal 5x
  • MDW-STL - currently showing up as 16x on 4/5/2020 vs. the normal 8x
  • STL-ICT - currently showing up as 5x on 4/5/2020 vs. the normal 2x

I have also noticed that many of the extra flights that are currently showing up in WN's January 2021 - April 2021 flight schedule have similar departure times.

I know that WN will very likely be dropping many of the extra flights that are showing up in its 2021 flight schedules as there isn't enough demand to justify operating all of the flights currently showing up in WN's January 2021 - April 2021 flight schedules. WN also does not currently have enough planes in its fleet to cover all of the extra flights that are currently showing up in its January 2021 - April 2021 flight schedules with the 737 MAX still grounded.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Tue Sep 15, 2020 12:35 am

jplatts wrote:
I have noticed that extra frequencies are currently showing up on many WN nonstop routes in its 2021 flight schedules, including the following:
  • ATL-GSP - currently showing up as 8x on 4/5/2020 vs. the normal 3x
  • ATL-RIC - currently showing up as 8x on 4/5/2020 vs. the normal 3x
  • DAL-AMA - currently showing up as 9x on 4/5/2020 vs. the normal 4x
  • DAL-AUS - currently showing up as 23x on 4/5/2020 vs. the normal 10x
  • DAL-MDW - currently showing up as 22x on 4/5/2020 vs. the 9x originally scheduled
  • DAL-DEN - currently showing up as 26x on 4/5/2020 vs. the 9x originally scheduled
  • DAL-ELP - currently showing up as 12x on 4/5/2020 vs. the normal 4x
  • DAL-HOU - currently showing up as 26x on 4/5/2020 vs. the 16x originally scheduled
  • DAL-LGA - currently showing up as 12x on 4/5/2020 vs. the 4x originally scheduled
  • DAL-LBB - currently showing up as 13x on 4/5/2020 vs. the normal 5x
  • DAL-MAF - currently showing up as 11x on 4/5/2020 vs. the normal 5x
  • DAL-STL - currently showing up as 17x on 4/5/2020 vs. the normal 6x
  • DAL-SAT - currently showing up as 24x on 4/5/2020 vs. the normal 10x
  • DSM-STL - currently showing up as 5x on 4/5/2020 vs. the normal 2x
  • HOU-CRP - currently showing up as 8x on 4/5/2020 vs. the normal 4x
  • HOU-HRL - currently showing up as 11x on 4/5/2020 vs. the normal 5x
  • MDW-STL - currently showing up as 16x on 4/5/2020 vs. the normal 8x
  • STL-ICT - currently showing up as 5x on 4/5/2020 vs. the normal 2x

I have also noticed that many of the extra flights that are currently showing up in WN's January 2021 - April 2021 flight schedule have similar departure times.

I know that WN will very likely be dropping many of the extra flights that are showing up in its 2021 flight schedules as there isn't enough demand to justify operating all of the flights currently showing up in WN's January 2021 - April 2021 flight schedules. WN also does not currently have enough planes in its fleet to cover all of the extra flights that are currently showing up in its January 2021 - April 2021 flight schedules with the 737 MAX still grounded.


First of all, 4/5/2020 was 5 months ago, so I’m assuming you mean 4/5/2021. Secondly, where are you seeing this? I tried booking a few of the city pairs you're talking about, DSM-STL for example, and it only offered me two flight options which is the same as they’ve always offered.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Tue Sep 15, 2020 1:34 pm

dbo861 wrote:
First of all, 4/5/2020 was 5 months ago, so I’m assuming you mean 4/5/2021. Secondly, where are you seeing this? I tried booking a few of the city pairs you're talking about, DSM-STL for example, and it only offered me two flight options which is the same as they’ve always offered.


I actually did mean 4/5/2021 instead of 4/5/2020.

In addition, the extra WN flights are showing up in the schedule at https://www.southwest.com/air/flight-schedules/index.html?clk=GSUBNAV-AIR-SCHEDULES, but not showing up when you try to book a flight at https://www.southwest.com/air/booking/index.html?clk=GSUBNAV-AIR-BOOK.
 
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WN could cut service to some cities without additional COVID-19 aid

Fri Sep 25, 2020 7:20 pm

There was an article on The Points Guy titled "Southwest Airlines could cut cities without additional coronavirus aid" which said that WN might cut service to some cities if it does not receive additional coronavirus aid, and that article can be found at https://thepointsguy.com/news/southwest-airlines-could-cut-cities-if-losses-continue-without-additional-coronavirus-aid/.

Here are the 15 WN stations with the lowest load factors in June 2020:
LGB - 17.29%
LIH - 17.95%
KOA - 18.09%
OGG - 20.63%
HNL - 21.88%
ITO - 22.18%
SFO - 26.55%
GSP - 29.75%
SJC - 33.35%
DSM - 33.82%
ICT - 34.37%
IAD - 34.62%
DCA - 34.81%
BUR - 35.13%
CRP - 35.75%

Here are the 15 WN stations with the fewest number of passengers in June 2020:
LIH - 5246
CRP - 6204
ITO - 6559
GSP - 6921
KOA - 7251
ICT - 8000
DSM - 8397
OGG - 8558
RIC - 9481
HRL - 9587
PWM - 9754
AMA - 10513
ROC - 11145
IAD - 12749
GRR - 15181

If WN does decide to cut service to some cities if it doesn't receive additional COVID-19 aid, what destinations are likely to be cut by WN?
 
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Re: WN could cut service to some cities without additional COVID-19 aid

Fri Sep 25, 2020 7:22 pm

Hawaii should be coming back next months and I don’t see them leaving so soon.
 
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Re: WN could cut service to some cities without additional COVID-19 aid

Fri Sep 25, 2020 7:26 pm

I would assume that Hawaii stations are safe. I would guess that all California stations are likely safe as well.

If it came to it, I could see IAD and GSP being dropped.
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Re: WN could cut service to some cities without additional COVID-19 aid

Fri Sep 25, 2020 8:11 pm

I wouldn't look so much at stations in June 2020 but where was underperforming even before the pandemic
 
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Re: WN could cut service to some cities without additional COVID-19 aid

Fri Sep 25, 2020 8:19 pm

Is there any substance to this rumour or just rank speculation from a (not very reliable) clickbait site? The small Texas stations have underperformed compared to the rest of the network for years if not decades.
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Re: WN could cut service to some cities without additional COVID-19 aid

Fri Sep 25, 2020 9:01 pm

A problem with analysis based on load factors by station is that it doesn't capture the passenger segments if passengers are connecting. Load factors say nothing about average fares, and not much about profit. Making a station closure decision on one month of data in covid doesn't seem prudent. So, Kelly says they'll need to think about it (he would be foolish if he denied it) and people run with it.
 
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Re: WN could cut service to some cities without additional COVID-19 aid

Fri Sep 25, 2020 9:09 pm

How is BUF considering the closure of the US/Canada land border? I still have a WN voucher I gotta use
 
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Re: WN could cut service to some cities without additional COVID-19 aid

Fri Sep 25, 2020 10:13 pm

DLASFlyer wrote:
I wouldn't look so much at stations in June 2020 but where was underperforming even before the pandemic


Agreed. Even June doesn't seem like a very accurate month to use, given how much service has been cut since then. Surely LF%'s have gone up since then.
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Re: WN could cut service to some cities without additional COVID-19 aid

Fri Sep 25, 2020 10:13 pm

Cubsrule wrote:
Is there any substance to this rumour or just rank speculation from a (not very reliable) clickbait site? The small Texas stations have underperformed compared to the rest of the network for years if not decades.


Exactly. WN isn't going to cut any TX stations. CRP, HRL. AMA, etc. are not going to be cut.
 
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Re: WN could cut service to some cities without additional COVID-19 aid

Fri Sep 25, 2020 10:18 pm

DDR wrote:
Cubsrule wrote:
Is there any substance to this rumour or just rank speculation from a (not very reliable) clickbait site? The small Texas stations have underperformed compared to the rest of the network for years if not decades.


Exactly. WN isn't going to cut any TX stations. CRP, HRL. AMA, etc. are not going to be cut.


Those are the stations that should cut, lack of demand, wrong size plane in the market.
 
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Re: WN could cut service to some cities without additional COVID-19 aid

Fri Sep 25, 2020 11:01 pm

They’ve been flying empty planes to Hawaii for months? And only NOW do they think maybe it wasn’t such a good idea? SMH
 
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Re: WN could cut service to some cities without additional COVID-19 aid

Fri Sep 25, 2020 11:13 pm

Does Hawaii still have a two week quarantine rule for tourists? Puts a real damper on vacation plans.
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Re: WN could cut service to some cities without additional COVID-19 aid

Fri Sep 25, 2020 11:28 pm

exFWAOONW wrote:
Does Hawaii still have a two week quarantine rule for tourists? Puts a real damper on vacation plans.


Apparently starting October 15th if you have a negative COVID test from a state approved testing center within 72 hours from the final leg of departure will be exempt from the mandatory quarantine.
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Re: WN could cut service to some cities without additional COVID-19 aid

Fri Sep 25, 2020 11:45 pm

I highly doubt that WN will exit any markets completely. More than likely he means that certain city pairs might be cut due to Covid. Cutting service is totally different than closing stations completely.
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Re: WN could cut service to some cities without additional COVID-19 aid

Sat Sep 26, 2020 2:35 am

Kelly says “cut service”. Depends on his definition of “service”. Perhaps flying empty planes around Hawaii hasn’t been a great idea of late. I flew a transcon recently and almost every SWA flight was at FL400 or FL410. You don’t put a full 737 at those altitudes often. Also SW’s marketing gimmick of not using the middle seat is apparently more of not having enough demand to fill a middle seat based on those loads that are published. If they had the demand I suspect Kelly would be filling those seats.
 
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Re: WN could cut service to some cities without additional COVID-19 aid

Sat Sep 26, 2020 3:13 am

hiflyeras wrote:
They’ve been flying empty planes to Hawaii for months? And only NOW do they think maybe it wasn’t such a good idea? SMH


They haven’t said anything about it. This is just speculation. And flying “empty” planes to Hawaii (they’re not the only ones) is out of necessity to rotate aircraft and crews to handle the interisland operation (which has been up and down in relation to quarantines being imposed and lifted).

Hawaii’s numbers have been forced down because of the quarantine. They should bounce back a bit when the state reopens. It will be interesting to see how things play out starting October 15.

As for closing stations... When MIA and PSP were announced he stated in bold that there are currently no plans to close any stations. Can never say never but yeah. As long as this pandemic is dragging on a lot of markets are still suppressed by temporary restrictions. Hang on to what you can, let things open up and see how it plays out in a recovery phase before completely bailing, IMO.

Also, airlines are still lobbying for an extension of payroll support so yeah they’re going to hint at what could happen without additional support.
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Re: WN could cut service to some cities without additional COVID-19 aid

Sat Sep 26, 2020 4:06 am

Silver1SWA wrote:
As for closing stations... When MIA and PSP were announced he stated in bold that there are currently no plans to close any stations. Can never say never but yeah. As long as this pandemic is dragging on a lot of markets are still suppressed by temporary restrictions. Hang on to what you can, let things open up and see how it plays out in a recovery phase before completely bailing, IMO.


I must have missed this, but WN to PSP and MIA? PSP isn't a bad addition to the WN network considering their overall strength in California, relative to most markets, but MIA? Either WN is not as high on FLL as they once were or there's something else that I'm missing. (And, yes, I know this is probably more relevant to the WN Network thread, but I'm too tired to search for it at the moment.)
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Re: WN could cut service to some cities without additional COVID-19 aid

Sat Sep 26, 2020 4:29 am

Cubsrule wrote:
Is there any substance to this rumour or just rank speculation from a (not very reliable) clickbait site? The small Texas stations have underperformed compared to the rest of the network for years if not decades.

The article literally cites quotes from the CEO of the company.
 
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Re: WN could cut service to some cities without additional COVID-19 aid

Sat Sep 26, 2020 6:21 am

hiflyeras wrote:
They’ve been flying empty planes to Hawaii for months? And only NOW do they think maybe it wasn’t such a good idea? SMH


Inter-island quarantine is still in effect as of Oct 15th. Why would u want to compete against Hawaiian in those markets??? Not enough traffic.
 
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Re: WN could cut service to some cities without additional COVID-19 aid

Sat Sep 26, 2020 6:24 am

Silver1SWA wrote:
hiflyeras wrote:
They’ve been flying empty planes to Hawaii for months? And only NOW do they think maybe it wasn’t such a good idea? SMH


They haven’t said anything about it. This is just speculation. And flying “empty” planes to Hawaii (they’re not the only ones) is out of necessity to rotate aircraft and crews to handle the interisland operation (which has been up and down in relation to quarantines being imposed and lifted).

Hawaii’s numbers have been forced down because of the quarantine. They should bounce back a bit when the state reopens. It will be interesting to see how things play out starting October 15.

As for closing stations... When MIA and PSP were announced he stated in bold that there are currently no plans to close any stations. Can never say never but yeah. As long as this pandemic is dragging on a lot of markets are still suppressed by temporary restrictions. Hang on to what you can, let things open up and see how it plays out in a recovery phase before completely bailing, IMO.

Also, airlines are still lobbying for an extension of payroll support so yeah they’re going to hint at what could happen without additional support.


The inter island market is was only a 1 and 1/2 airline market before the pandemic. No saying what it is now-loads are pretty bad.....If u do not have a permanent base in HNl and are rotating planes in from the mainland I don't know what u see in the market????
 
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Re: WN could cut service to some cities without additional COVID-19 aid

Sat Sep 26, 2020 6:54 am

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I highly doubt that WN will exit any markets completely. More than likely he means that certain city pairs might be cut due to Covid. Cutting service is totally different than closing stations completely.


This already being done. The CEO would not need to remark if they were just considering closing routes not stations.
 
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Re: WN could cut service to some cities without additional COVID-19 aid

Sat Sep 26, 2020 8:43 am

Laulau wrote:
Silver1SWA wrote:
hiflyeras wrote:
They’ve been flying empty planes to Hawaii for months? And only NOW do they think maybe it wasn’t such a good idea? SMH


They haven’t said anything about it. This is just speculation. And flying “empty” planes to Hawaii (they’re not the only ones) is out of necessity to rotate aircraft and crews to handle the interisland operation (which has been up and down in relation to quarantines being imposed and lifted).

Hawaii’s numbers have been forced down because of the quarantine. They should bounce back a bit when the state reopens. It will be interesting to see how things play out starting October 15.

As for closing stations... When MIA and PSP were announced he stated in bold that there are currently no plans to close any stations. Can never say never but yeah. As long as this pandemic is dragging on a lot of markets are still suppressed by temporary restrictions. Hang on to what you can, let things open up and see how it plays out in a recovery phase before completely bailing, IMO.

Also, airlines are still lobbying for an extension of payroll support so yeah they’re going to hint at what could happen without additional support.


The inter island market is was only a 1 and 1/2 airline market before the pandemic. No saying what it is now-loads are pretty bad.....If u do not have a permanent base in HNl and are rotating planes in from the mainland I don't know what u see in the market????


There really is no market right now because of the quarantines. WN has been maintaining the bare minimum as essential service to continue to serve those who need to fly right now and in order to do that they need to maintain a mainland route.

I don’t know why everyone is putting so much into the bad loads in Hawaii right now. It’s obvious why and it isn’t forever. Let’s see what happens when the state opens and quarantines lift.
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Re: WN could cut service to some cities without additional COVID-19 aid

Sat Sep 26, 2020 1:29 pm

usflyer msp wrote:
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SWADawg wrote:
I highly doubt that WN will exit any markets completely. More than likely he means that certain city pairs might be cut due to Covid. Cutting service is totally different than closing stations completely.


This already being done. The CEO would not need to remark if they were just considering closing routes not stations.

They’re also trying to secure more government grants as well, so you have to take the remarks in context with trying to secure CARES2 funding.
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Re: WN could cut service to some cities without additional COVID-19 aid

Sat Sep 26, 2020 2:11 pm

hiflyeras wrote:
They’ve been flying empty planes to Hawaii for months? And only NOW do they think maybe it wasn’t such a good idea? SMH


Going forward, yes. Until increased demand for the service. All of their services need to be reduced until the demand comes back. When is speculation at best.
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Re: WN could cut service to some cities without additional COVID-19 aid

Sat Sep 26, 2020 2:39 pm

SWADawg wrote:
I highly doubt that WN will exit any markets completely. More than likely he means that certain city pairs might be cut due to Covid. Cutting service is totally different than closing stations completely.


Every US passenger airline is going to cut cities and most already have. Open your eyes to what's happening.
 
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Re: WN could cut service to some cities without additional COVID-19 aid

Sat Sep 26, 2020 3:19 pm

Laulau wrote:
Silver1SWA wrote:
hiflyeras wrote:
They’ve been flying empty planes to Hawaii for months? And only NOW do they think maybe it wasn’t such a good idea? SMH


They haven’t said anything about it. This is just speculation. And flying “empty” planes to Hawaii (they’re not the only ones) is out of necessity to rotate aircraft and crews to handle the interisland operation (which has been up and down in relation to quarantines being imposed and lifted).

Hawaii’s numbers have been forced down because of the quarantine. They should bounce back a bit when the state reopens. It will be interesting to see how things play out starting October 15.

As for closing stations... When MIA and PSP were announced he stated in bold that there are currently no plans to close any stations. Can never say never but yeah. As long as this pandemic is dragging on a lot of markets are still suppressed by temporary restrictions. Hang on to what you can, let things open up and see how it plays out in a recovery phase before completely bailing, IMO.

Also, airlines are still lobbying for an extension of payroll support so yeah they’re going to hint at what could happen without additional support.


The inter island market is was only a 1 and 1/2 airline market before the pandemic. No saying what it is now-loads are pretty bad.....If u do not have a permanent base in HNl and are rotating planes in from the mainland I don't know what u see in the market????


What’s the problem with rotating planes from the mainland? It’s a cinch from a crew and aircraft scheduling perspective (turn a two day out and back trip into a three or four day trip with interisland in the middle) and spreads out the abuse that interisland puts on individual aircraft and arguably individual crews.
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Re: WN could cut service to some cities without additional COVID-19 aid

Sun Sep 27, 2020 3:06 am

Cubsrule wrote:
Laulau wrote:
Silver1SWA wrote:

They haven’t said anything about it. This is just speculation. And flying “empty” planes to Hawaii (they’re not the only ones) is out of necessity to rotate aircraft and crews to handle the interisland operation (which has been up and down in relation to quarantines being imposed and lifted).

Hawaii’s numbers have been forced down because of the quarantine. They should bounce back a bit when the state reopens. It will be interesting to see how things play out starting October 15.

As for closing stations... When MIA and PSP were announced he stated in bold that there are currently no plans to close any stations. Can never say never but yeah. As long as this pandemic is dragging on a lot of markets are still suppressed by temporary restrictions. Hang on to what you can, let things open up and see how it plays out in a recovery phase before completely bailing, IMO.

Also, airlines are still lobbying for an extension of payroll support so yeah they’re going to hint at what could happen without additional support.


The inter island market is was only a 1 and 1/2 airline market before the pandemic. No saying what it is now-loads are pretty bad.....If u do not have a permanent base in HNl and are rotating planes in from the mainland I don't know what u see in the market????


What’s the problem with rotating planes from the mainland? It’s a cinch from a crew and aircraft scheduling perspective (turn a two day out and back trip into a three or four day trip with interisland in the middle) and spreads out the abuse that interisland puts on individual aircraft and arguably individual crews.



I don’t think too many carriers factor in crew “abuse” for a 3 hour time change to add costly inter island flying. They added the inter island flying because of their lack of ability to do all nighters and to attempt to poach HA traffic.

SW is cornered a bit with their Hawaii flying because of the times they operate. Relying heavily on west coast feed is not ideal. With the COVID restrictions in the west coast states and serving a highly covid restricted state in HI it can’t be good for them in the market. The locals that I know say they will make an effort to support Hawaiian Air lines. When they resume their personal travels the mantra to support local jobs is strong. Maybe SWA picked to wrong time to start HI service and to do it in such a non economical manner.

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