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Re: Southwest Schedule Extension - Aug 13

Fri Aug 14, 2020 1:25 pm

Nothing like awaiting the schedule extension to book a flight 7 months out, only to have no Wanna Get Away fare offered that day.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Fri Aug 14, 2020 2:37 pm

OAHU747 wrote:
wnflyguy wrote:
Well on a positive note heard today that WN is getting 2 more gates at HNL. Gates G5 and G6 these both have jetways. Bringing the Total WN Gates to 6.
4 hard stand and 2 jetways.

Flyguy


Better get a new source, the G6 jetway doesn't bend low enough to accommodate a WN 737.


Well you know they could actually replace the jetway with a new one that could accommodate a 737......
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Fri Aug 14, 2020 2:42 pm

OAHU747 wrote:
wnflyguy wrote:
Well on a positive note heard today that WN is getting 2 more gates at HNL. Gates G5 and G6 these both have jetways. Bringing the Total WN Gates to 6.
4 hard stand and 2 jetways.

Flyguy


Better get a new source, the G6 jetway doesn't bend low enough to accommodate a WN 737.


Well hopefully you can show All of us pictures and all the operational functions of the G6 jetway.

Thanks in advance
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Re: Southwest Schedule Extension - Aug 13

Fri Aug 14, 2020 3:00 pm

DaCubbyBearBar wrote:
NOT in 2020-2022....for all this is retrench and NOT expansion mode!! Airlines are just moving routes among dots already on their map. New markets lose money for a while, so you are not getting Canada anytime soon


I agree that WN adding service to Canada will probably not happen anytime soon, even though WN had previously mentioned adding service to Canada.
 
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Re: Southwest Schedule Extension - Aug 13

Fri Aug 14, 2020 3:33 pm

jplatts wrote:
DaCubbyBearBar wrote:
NOT in 2020-2022....for all this is retrench and NOT expansion mode!! Airlines are just moving routes among dots already on their map. New markets lose money for a while, so you are not getting Canada anytime soon


I agree that WN adding service to Canada will probably not happen anytime soon, even though WN had previously mentioned adding service to Canada.


Although airlines have to let the covid thing play out, I think you will find Southwest make some aggressive early moves into new markets.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Fri Aug 14, 2020 3:38 pm

Here are the 20 stations with the lowest load factors on WN in May 2020:
LIH - 2.64%
KOA - 3.19%
OGG - 4.76%
ITO - 5.59%
HNL - 7.13%
LGB - 10.90%
CRP - 11.65%
GSP - 12.82%
ICT - 13.28%
DSM - 13.51%
SDF - 17.67%
PWM - 17.79%
SFO - 18.77%
RIC - 18.80%
AMA - 19.50%
BOS - 19.65%
LIT - 19.89%
CVG - 20.15%
SJC - 20.50%
DCA - 20.78%

Here are the 20 stations with the highest load factors on WN in May 2020:
ELP - 48.04%
BOI - 44.34%
SLC - 42.27%
ECP - 41.31%
SJU - 41.08%
TUS - 40.31%
RSW - 39.65%
PHX - 39.57%
PNS - 38.61%
GEG - 38.25%
ISP - 36.94%
PBI - 35.92%
LAX - 35.06%
MEM - 34.96%
TPA - 34.28%
BHM - 34.08%
OKC - 33.79%
DAL - 33.76%
DEN - 32.99%
ATL - 32.80%
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Fri Aug 14, 2020 3:42 pm

jplatts wrote:
Here are the 20 stations with the lowest load factors on WN in May 2020:
LIH - 2.64%
KOA - 3.19%
OGG - 4.76%
ITO - 5.59%
HNL - 7.13%

Hawaii??? Ouch!
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Fri Aug 14, 2020 3:44 pm

Here are the U.S. stations where WN carried the fewest number of passengers in May 2020:
LIH - 559
LGA - 875
KOA - 1005
ITO - 1213
OGG - 1532
CRP - 2055
GSP - 2276
ICT - 2383
DSM - 2657
ROC - 2892
PWM - 3160
RIC - 3328
AMA - 3465
IAD - 3802
GRR - 4512
HRL - 4853
LIT - 5359
CVG - 5677
ISP - 5743
MAF - 5819

Here are the U.S. stations where WN carried the most passengers in May 2020:
DEN - 314879
MDW - 280477
DAL - 238573
PHX - 229153
LAS - 225160
BWI - 215870
HOU - 132670
ATL - 132163
BNA - 125749
LAX - 110680
TPA - 100026
STL - 98914
MCO - 96441
SAN - 88688
OAK - 88297
SMF - 85363
MCI - 59667
FLL - 58993
AUS - 50007
RSW - 45722
 
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Re: Southwest Schedule Extension - Aug 13

Fri Aug 14, 2020 3:52 pm

SurfandSnow wrote:
wnflyguy wrote:
A lot of chatter about BZN getting WN service in the spring of 2021?
I would say yes if Covid wasn't happening.
I know BZN Has 4 new gates set to open in the spring of 2021.

Anything is possible I guess since they are chasing leisure traffic.
I don't think anyone saw 3 daily DEN and 1 weekend DAL going to HDN seasonally.

Flyguy


HDN sets a *very* interesting precedent for WN. EYW may have failed due to the highly seasonal nature of its market - could it come back as a seasonal station, especially now that their runway is a bit longer? Palm Springs and the Coachella valley are booming - could a seasonal PSP operation shuttling WN FFers to events like Coachella and Stagecoach do well in spite of WN's longstanding marketing campaign to use nearby ONT? ACK, ANC, BTV, BZN, EGE, FAI, HHH, JAC, JNU, MTJ, MVY, MYR, SAV, STT and VPS are other wildly popular domestic destinations that could make sense for WN, if only seasonally. ASE might be able to handle the 73Gs after its upcoming expansion too. Maybe WN could even consider some kind of service to Canada's popular resort/park/leisure markets such as YVR and YYC too? Of course, WN wouldn't add service to Canada until Americans can cross the border freely again - but I wonder about the possibility of Canadian service now that WN is much more open to seasonal stations than before...

As always, WN keeps their eyes open for opportunity. HDN surprises me, but it is a market with heavy tourist traffic that pays premium fares. If the experiment works, I agree it could the door open for a few other select similar markets. I would trim your list way down to maybe BZN, EGE, JAC. Canada is a whole nother topic.
 
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Re: Southwest Schedule Extension - Aug 13

Fri Aug 14, 2020 4:35 pm

Canada hasn't happened yet due to foreign currency, not any of the other reasons mentioned. Canada traffic needs to be 50/50 for it to work. WN's other intl destinations are Americans going on vacation.
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Fri Aug 14, 2020 4:36 pm

This was the peak low travel time stemming from covid...this data doesn't really mean anything.
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Re: Southwest Schedule Extension - Aug 13

Fri Aug 14, 2020 4:54 pm

LotsaRunway wrote:
As always, WN keeps their eyes open for opportunity. HDN surprises me, but it is a market with heavy tourist traffic that pays premium fares. If the experiment works, I agree it could the door open for a few other select similar markets. I would trim your list way down to maybe BZN, EGE, JAC. Canada is a whole nother topic.


In addition to adds to Western U.S. leisure destinations such as BZN or JAC, WN adding DEN-RIC nonstop service is also a possibility once demand for domestic air travel returns with
(a) WN carrying more passengers out of RIC in May 2020 than out of some other small WN stations in the contiguous U.S. such as CRP, GSP, ICT, DSM, ROC, and PWM,
(b) WN having already dropped ATL-LAX/OAK/SAN nonstop service (but having plans to resume ATL-SAN nonstop service on a Sunday-only basis starting on January 10th),
(c) a significant amount of passengers traveling to DEN and domestic destinations further west from RIC prior to the COVID-19 pandemic,
(d) DEN being a major leisure destination that doesn't currently have any nonstop LCC service out of RIC, even though UA currently serves DEN nonstop from RIC,
(e) DEN-RIC being one of the top routes out of DEN (prior to the COVID-19 pandemic) that isn't currently served nonstop by WN, and
(f) WN having recently added nonstop service to DEN from other destinations inherited through the WN-FL merger such as DSM, MEM, and ICT.

If WN does add DEN-RIC nonstop service, WN can also likely get better yields on DEN-RIC than on other DEN to East Coast nonstop routes once demand and fares return to normal levels with
(a) F9 not currently serving the RIC market,
(b) DEN-RIC having higher average fares than other DEN to East Coast nonstop routes that were served nonstop by UA, WN, or F9 in Q3 2019, and
(c) WN not having to compete against F9 on the DEN-RIC route whereas most of the current WN nonstop routes out of DEN have nonstop competition from F9.
 
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Re: Southwest Schedule Extension - Aug 13

Fri Aug 14, 2020 5:06 pm

I presume some of these services, such as SAN-ORF (Navy Shuttle) is dependent on the MAX return?
 
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Re: Southwest Schedule Extension - Aug 13

Fri Aug 14, 2020 5:19 pm

phatfarmlines wrote:
I presume some of these services, such as SAN-ORF (Navy Shuttle) is dependent on the MAX return?


The resumption of SAN-ORF nonstop service is likely not dependent on 737 MAX return as WN is currently planning on operating SAN-ORF nonstop service using a 737-700.
 
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Re: Southwest Schedule Extension - Aug 13

Fri Aug 14, 2020 5:42 pm

LotsaRunway wrote:
SurfandSnow wrote:
wnflyguy wrote:
A lot of chatter about BZN getting WN service in the spring of 2021?
I would say yes if Covid wasn't happening.
I know BZN Has 4 new gates set to open in the spring of 2021.

Anything is possible I guess since they are chasing leisure traffic.
I don't think anyone saw 3 daily DEN and 1 weekend DAL going to HDN seasonally.

Flyguy


HDN sets a *very* interesting precedent for WN. EYW may have failed due to the highly seasonal nature of its market - could it come back as a seasonal station, especially now that their runway is a bit longer? Palm Springs and the Coachella valley are booming - could a seasonal PSP operation shuttling WN FFers to events like Coachella and Stagecoach do well in spite of WN's longstanding marketing campaign to use nearby ONT? ACK, ANC, BTV, BZN, EGE, FAI, HHH, JAC, JNU, MTJ, MVY, MYR, SAV, STT and VPS are other wildly popular domestic destinations that could make sense for WN, if only seasonally. ASE might be able to handle the 73Gs after its upcoming expansion too. Maybe WN could even consider some kind of service to Canada's popular resort/park/leisure markets such as YVR and YYC too? Of course, WN wouldn't add service to Canada until Americans can cross the border freely again - but I wonder about the possibility of Canadian service now that WN is much more open to seasonal stations than before...

As always, WN keeps their eyes open for opportunity. HDN surprises me, but it is a market with heavy tourist traffic that pays premium fares. If the experiment works, I agree it could the door open for a few other select similar markets. I would trim your list way down to maybe BZN, EGE, JAC. Canada is a whole nother topic.


I would add MTJ and GUC to that list. Texans love Southwest Airlines and Texans LOVE Southern Colorado ski resorts.
 
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Re: Southwest Schedule Extension - Aug 13

Fri Aug 14, 2020 5:48 pm

DLASFlyer wrote:
LotsaRunway wrote:
SurfandSnow wrote:

HDN sets a *very* interesting precedent for WN. EYW may have failed due to the highly seasonal nature of its market - could it come back as a seasonal station, especially now that their runway is a bit longer? Palm Springs and the Coachella valley are booming - could a seasonal PSP operation shuttling WN FFers to events like Coachella and Stagecoach do well in spite of WN's longstanding marketing campaign to use nearby ONT? ACK, ANC, BTV, BZN, EGE, FAI, HHH, JAC, JNU, MTJ, MVY, MYR, SAV, STT and VPS are other wildly popular domestic destinations that could make sense for WN, if only seasonally. ASE might be able to handle the 73Gs after its upcoming expansion too. Maybe WN could even consider some kind of service to Canada's popular resort/park/leisure markets such as YVR and YYC too? Of course, WN wouldn't add service to Canada until Americans can cross the border freely again - but I wonder about the possibility of Canadian service now that WN is much more open to seasonal stations than before...

As always, WN keeps their eyes open for opportunity. HDN surprises me, but it is a market with heavy tourist traffic that pays premium fares. If the experiment works, I agree it could the door open for a few other select similar markets. I would trim your list way down to maybe BZN, EGE, JAC. Canada is a whole nother topic.


I would add MTJ and GUC to that list. Texans love Southwest Airlines and Texans LOVE Southern Colorado ski resorts.


Indeed they do! I could honestly see AUS/DAL/HOU to some of the ski resorts, especially EGE.
 
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Re: Southwest Schedule Extension - Aug 13

Fri Aug 14, 2020 5:51 pm

phatfarmlines wrote:
I presume some of these services, such as SAN-ORF (Navy Shuttle) is dependent on the MAX return?

With all the cancelled flights & dropped routes that WN has seen lately, and continuing thru the rest of 2020, I seriously doubt they have any shortage of a/c to start a few new routes or frequencies.

Since apparently WN has won the GSA contract for SAN-ORF for 2021, I think they are very intent on flying the route at long last! (And yes, I know they flew it last summer as a test flight, weekly for 2 months.)

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Re: Southwest Schedule Extension - Aug 13

Fri Aug 14, 2020 8:27 pm

SurfandSnow wrote:
HDN sets a *very* interesting precedent for WN. EYW may have failed due to the highly seasonal nature of its market - could it come back as a seasonal station, especially now that their runway is a bit longer? Palm Springs and the Coachella valley are booming - could a seasonal PSP operation shuttling WN FFers to events like Coachella and Stagecoach do well in spite of WN's longstanding marketing campaign to use nearby ONT? ACK, ANC, BTV, BZN, EGE, FAI, HHH, JAC, JNU, MTJ, MVY, MYR, SAV, STT and VPS are other wildly popular domestic destinations that could make sense for WN, if only seasonally. ASE might be able to handle the 73Gs after its upcoming expansion too.


If WN is considering adding adding service to markets such as HDN on a seasonal basis, WN adding summer seasonal service to TVC from MDW, BNA, STL, and/or BWI might be a possibility with demand to TVC being strong around the 4th of July holiday (at least prior to the COVID-19 pandemic). In addition, most of the US3 hub airports east of the Rocky Mountains already have nonstop service to TVC on AA, DL, or UA on at least a summer seasonal basis, with BOS, IAH, JFK, MIA, and PHL being the only US3 hub airports east of the Rocky Mountains that do not currently have any nonstop service to TVC.

Here are the numbers for TVC service on AA/DL/UA in July 2019:
90784 passengers
106446 seats
85.29% average load factor

There are also some AA, DL, and UA flights to and from TVC that are completely full or almost completely full around the 4th of July, and fares into TVC on US3 carriers are also normally high around the 4th of July.

TVC also carried more than double the amount of passengers that HDN did in 2019, with TVC carrying 569,000 passengers compared to HDN carrying only 209,000 passengers.
 
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Re: Southwest Schedule Extension - Aug 13

Sat Aug 15, 2020 12:50 am

ISN'T WN receiving money from Steamboat resorts to do this?
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Re: Southwest Schedule Extension - Aug 13

Sat Aug 15, 2020 12:49 pm

SurfandSnow wrote:
ACK, ANC, BTV, BZN, EGE, FAI, HHH, JAC, JNU, MTJ, MVY, MYR, SAV, STT and VPS are other wildly popular domestic destinations that could make sense for WN, if only seasonally.


WN had previously stated that it was considering adding service to Alaska, and there was a presentation given by Dave Harvey back in June 2016 that said that HNL, OGG, CVG, and ANC were the only 4 U.S. markets in the top 50 that weren't served by WN in 2016.

Here is a slide from the presentation given by Dave Harvey on behalf of Southwest Airlines at the 2016 ACI-NA JumpStart Air Service Development Conference back in June 2016:
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There was also an article in the Dallas Business Journal titled "Where will Southwest Airlines fly next: Hawaii, South America or elsewhere?" published back in January 2017 that said that WN is already considering adding service to Alaska, and that article can be found at https://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/news ... -next.html.
 
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Re: Southwest Schedule Extension - Aug 13

Sat Aug 15, 2020 12:57 pm

sprxUSA wrote:
ISN'T WN receiving money from Steamboat resorts to do this?


Possibly, although this article notes voters axed a tax that was contributing to the air service program.
https://www.steamboatpilot.com/news/som ... nning-dry/

I live in JAC and the airlines are more and more adding service on their own accord without revenue guarantees. There are three empty gates right now at JAC if WN wanted to enter.
 
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Re: Southwest Schedule Extension - Aug 13

Sat Aug 15, 2020 1:25 pm

DLASFlyer wrote:
I live in JAC and the airlines are more and more adding service on their own accord without revenue guarantees. There are three empty gates right now at JAC if WN wanted to enter.


If WN does add service to JAC, WN could add nonstop service to JAC from BWI, MDW, DAL, DEN, LAX, and OAK with WAS, CHI, DFW/DAL, DEN, LAX/BUR/LGB/ONT/SNA, and SFO/OAK/SJC being top domestic markets traveled to from JAC.
 
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Re: Southwest Schedule Extension - Aug 13

Sun Aug 16, 2020 3:50 am

Geez 3x daily. How much is Steamboat paying WN?

Ishrion wrote:
Southwest press release for DAL/DEN-HDN: https://www.swamedia.com/releases/relea ... s-colorado
 
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Re: Southwest Schedule Extension - Aug 13

Sun Aug 16, 2020 6:02 am

Sounds like if WN see's a good local booking traffic from the HDN catchment area from non Ski package traffic it's possible it could keep a daily DEN flight year round.
The operation cost are extremely low since all Ground handling is 3ed party.

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Re: Southwest Schedule Extension - Aug 13

Sun Aug 16, 2020 2:50 pm

jplatts wrote:
SurfandSnow wrote:
HDN sets a *very* interesting precedent for WN. EYW may have failed due to the highly seasonal nature of its market - could it come back as a seasonal station, especially now that their runway is a bit longer? Palm Springs and the Coachella valley are booming - could a seasonal PSP operation shuttling WN FFers to events like Coachella and Stagecoach do well in spite of WN's longstanding marketing campaign to use nearby ONT? ACK, ANC, BTV, BZN, EGE, FAI, HHH, JAC, JNU, MTJ, MVY, MYR, SAV, STT and VPS are other wildly popular domestic destinations that could make sense for WN, if only seasonally. ASE might be able to handle the 73Gs after its upcoming expansion too.


If WN is considering adding adding service to markets such as HDN on a seasonal basis, WN adding summer seasonal service to TVC from MDW, BNA, STL, and/or BWI might be a possibility with demand to TVC being strong around the 4th of July holiday (at least prior to the COVID-19 pandemic). In addition, most of the US3 hub airports east of the Rocky Mountains already have nonstop service to TVC on AA, DL, or UA on at least a summer seasonal basis, with BOS, IAH, JFK, MIA, and PHL being the only US3 hub airports east of the Rocky Mountains that do not currently have any nonstop service to TVC.

Here are the numbers for TVC service on AA/DL/UA in July 2019:
90784 passengers
106446 seats
85.29% average load factor

There are also some AA, DL, and UA flights to and from TVC that are completely full or almost completely full around the 4th of July, and fares into TVC on US3 carriers are also normally high around the 4th of July.

TVC also carried more than double the amount of passengers that HDN did in 2019, with TVC carrying 569,000 passengers compared to HDN carrying only 209,000 passengers.


While I agree 100% with your assessment I think TVC is more of a JetBlue city rather than a Southwest city. The problem is Michigan is not very good when it comes to marketing and promoting itself as a travel and tourism destination. There is so much untapped potential.
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Re: Southwest Schedule Extension - Aug 13

Sun Aug 16, 2020 4:40 pm

DLASFlyer wrote:
sprxUSA wrote:
ISN'T WN receiving money from Steamboat resorts to do this?


Possibly, although this article notes voters axed a tax that was contributing to the air service program.
https://www.steamboatpilot.com/news/som ... nning-dry/

I live in JAC and the airlines are more and more adding service on their own accord without revenue guarantees. There are three empty gates right now at JAC if WN wanted to enter.


Reading about the WN short lived Seasonal service to JAC. The service was profitable.
The problem was then WN would not commit to using they're new 737-300 aircraft at the airport for the following season to meet the New Stage 3 noise requirements the airport was switching towards.. They felt they had better year round market opportunities for the 737-300 and chose not to return.

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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Sun Aug 16, 2020 9:43 pm

DaCubbyBearBar wrote:
wnflyguy wrote:
Well on a positive note heard today that WN is getting 2 more gates at HNL. Gates G5 and G6 these both have jetways. Bringing the Total WN Gates to 6.
4 hard stand and 2 jetways.

Flyguy

WRONG!!!! ABSOLUTELY NO WAY UA GIVES UP THOSE GATES!!!
Not sure who your “source” is but UA is the primary tenant on those gates, and not giving them up to WN.

I reached out to HNL airport operations in regards to the aircraft that can use the jetways on the diamond head gates.
Diamond head gates G1-G6 can handle Jet aircraft sizes From a E175 to a 747-400. Aircraft from the 787-E175 use the the A jetways at each gate for Wing clearance.

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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Sun Aug 16, 2020 10:11 pm

wnflyguy wrote:
I reached out to HNL airport operations in regards to the aircraft that can use the jetways on the diamond head gates.
Diamond head gates G1-G6 can handle Jet aircraft sizes From a E175 to a 747-400. Aircraft from the 787-E175 use the the B jetways at each gate for Wing clearance.

Flyguy

Maybe you should have simply asked if WN is going to be using G5-G6...

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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Sun Aug 16, 2020 10:17 pm

SANFan wrote:
wnflyguy wrote:
I reached out to HNL airport operations in regards to the aircraft that can use the jetways on the diamond head gates.
Diamond head gates G1-G6 can handle Jet aircraft sizes From a E175 to a 747-400. Aircraft from the 787-E175 use the the B jetways at each gate for Wing clearance.

Flyguy

Maybe you should have simply asked if WN is going to be using G5-G6...

bb

I did but they just said they can't give out Airline information I would need to contact the airline directly for the information.

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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Mon Aug 17, 2020 12:18 am

LotsaRunway wrote:
jplatts wrote:
Here are the 20 stations with the lowest load factors on WN in May 2020:
LIH - 2.64%
KOA - 3.19%
OGG - 4.76%
ITO - 5.59%
HNL - 7.13%

Hawaii??? Ouch!


That was because of the interisland quarantine. When it lifted at the end of May loads improved significantly. Unfortunately the quarantine was reinstated so back to depressing...
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Mon Aug 17, 2020 12:21 am

wnflyguy wrote:
DaCubbyBearBar wrote:
wnflyguy wrote:
Well on a positive note heard today that WN is getting 2 more gates at HNL. Gates G5 and G6 these both have jetways. Bringing the Total WN Gates to 6.
4 hard stand and 2 jetways.

Flyguy

WRONG!!!! ABSOLUTELY NO WAY UA GIVES UP THOSE GATES!!!
Not sure who your “source” is but UA is the primary tenant on those gates, and not giving them up to WN.

I reached out to HNL airport operations in regards to the aircraft that can use the jetways on the diamond head gates.
Diamond head gates G1-G6 can handle Jet aircraft sizes From a E175 to a 747-400. Aircraft from the 787-E175 use the the A jetways at each gate for Wing clearance.

Flyguy


G6 jetway cannot handle a 737. WN uses G6 from time to time but with air stairs.

As for the gate situation. All gates are technically common use and WN is welcome to use gates in the main concourses if they’re willing to play musical gates like everyone else. There has been talks of using some of the G1-5 gates if needed, especially for inbound OAK flights where there’s more room to process inbound passengers for the quarantine.
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Mon Aug 17, 2020 10:36 am

wnflyguy wrote:
OAHU747 wrote:
wnflyguy wrote:
Well on a positive note heard today that WN is getting 2 more gates at HNL. Gates G5 and G6 these both have jetways. Bringing the Total WN Gates to 6.
4 hard stand and 2 jetways.

Flyguy


Better get a new source, the G6 jetway doesn't bend low enough to accommodate a WN 737.


Well hopefully you can show All of us pictures and all the operational functions of the G6 jetway.

Thanks in advance
Flyguy


That's secure and confidential information.
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Re: Southwest Schedule Extension - Aug 13

Mon Aug 17, 2020 3:32 pm

SurfandSnow wrote:
ACK, ANC, BTV, BZN, EGE, FAI, HHH, JAC, JNU, MTJ, MVY, MYR, SAV, STT and VPS are other wildly popular domestic destinations that could make sense for WN, if only seasonally.


In addition, WN adding service to TYS is a possibility with TYS being located in one of the largest U.S. metropolitan areas without WN service and with TYS being located near the Great Smoky Mountains. Greensboro/Winston Salem/High Point (NC), Fresno (CA), and Harrisburg (PA) are also the only U.S. metro areas larger than Knoxville that aren't currently served by WN.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Mon Aug 17, 2020 3:42 pm

OAHU747 wrote:
wnflyguy wrote:
OAHU747 wrote:

Better get a new source, the G6 jetway doesn't bend low enough to accommodate a WN 737.


Well hopefully you can show All of us pictures and all the operational functions of the G6 jetway.

Thanks in advance
Flyguy


That's secure and confidential information.

It's no secret WN wants to be bigger in Hawaii.
The MAX grounding forced them to pump the brakes and slow down the plans.
With this Covid fallout and everyone becoming a smaller airline I wouldn't be surprised if WN was actually trying to get more gates with everyone's reduced schedules. Without the Covid environment WN probably would have started filling the gaps between other airline flight schedules on Diamond head anyway.
It's a positive thing in this horrible Covid environment of industry doom and gloom with so many layoff speculations.
Again Regardless of the covid environment WN was eventually going to need to add flights to gates beyond G7-G10. Now With Hawaiian moving Wide body flights into it's new terminal when it opens. It Makes since for HNL airport to make accommodations for it's soon to be 2nd biggest airline. HNL can easily relocate some International airline to the C gates with Hawaiian departure for the new terminal.

Nobody on Airliners.net has Board room secret information. It's just pure speculation by industry nerds Be it WN,UA,DL,B6,AS or who ever else.
Heck maybe WN it's self leaked tidbits About wanting more gates to boost Hawaii staff morale because it's no secret loads have been impacted across the Hawaii system from the 14 day quarantine environment. A way of saying Like hang in there Troops while we're dealing with the day to day we still planning for a Great big beautiful HNL tomorrow flying at the end of every day!

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Re: Southwest Schedule Extension - Aug 13

Mon Aug 17, 2020 6:41 pm

wnflyguy wrote:
Reading about the WN short lived Seasonal service to JAC. The service was profitable.
The problem was then WN would not commit to using they're new 737-300 aircraft at the airport for the following season to meet the New Stage 3 noise requirements the airport was switching towards.. They felt they had better year round market opportunities for the 737-300 and chose not to return.


If WN service to JAC was profitable in the past, WN can likely make service to JAC work once demand for domestic air travel travel is back to normal levels with WN now having a much bigger network than it did when it last served JAC. WN has also retired all of its 737-200, 737-300, and 737-500 planes.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Thu Aug 20, 2020 1:06 pm

WN now has pushed out its cuts through November 2nd:

This is an example of a few markets
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Thu Aug 20, 2020 4:43 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
WN now has pushed out its cuts through November 2nd:

This is an example of a few markets
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I can see WN following industry trends cutting November and December down to October levels with the exception of November 20-30 for Thanksgiving travel and December 20-January 2nd for Christmas and New Year's Eve travel.
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Thu Aug 20, 2020 8:02 pm

Well Hawaii just extended the 14 day quarantine until October 1,2020.
Let the flights reduction happen in 3,2,1!

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Southwest to cut 35,000 flights in October

Mon Aug 24, 2020 2:21 pm

Southwest announced it will cut 35,000 flights in October when the stimulus money runs out.

The average airport in the southwest network will see about 15 flights a day disappear. Dallas Love will see 60 a day disappear. Some of the larger stations like MDW, BWI, and HOU will probably see the same or more.

The article is "exclusive" content but if you read a paragraph at a time and just keep going back and forth you can read the whole article

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/air ... -runs-out/
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Mon Aug 24, 2020 2:35 pm

Southwest trimmed 36% of its schedule for October with an update published last week. according to an analysis from Dallas-based Airline Data Inc. That includes nearly 35,000 flights nationwide and nearly 35% of its traffic out of hometown Dallas, or about 60 flights a day,
from post 416's Dallas News link.

It would be easier to understand the capacity if it were stated as a % of last year's schedule instead of cuts to the previous Oct '20 load. Cutting more than 1,100 flights a day is clearly non-trivial. A press release from Oct '19 references more than 4,000 weekday departures .
 
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Re: Southwest Schedule Extension - Aug 13

Mon Aug 24, 2020 4:53 pm

Flflyer83 wrote:
Limited PSP service coming post-COVID recovery with service to PHX, DEN, OAK, DAL.


DLASFlyer wrote:
I would add MTJ and GUC to that list. Texans love Southwest Airlines and Texans LOVE Southern Colorado ski resorts.


WN732 wrote:
Indeed they do! I could honestly see AUS/DAL/HOU to some of the ski resorts, especially EGE.


In addition to ski resort destinations or PSP, WN adding DAL-CVG nonstop service might also be a possibility once demand for domestic air travel returns with
(a) DFW/DAL-CVG being one of the top domestic routes not currently served nonstop from DAL,
(b) CVG being one of the largest markets in the U.S. that has never had regularly scheduled nonstop service out of DAL on WN,
(c) WN having stronger point-of-sale than DL, F9, or G4 on the DAL end of the DAL-CVG route, and
(d) WN having a FF base in Southern California, Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas to support DAL-CVG nonstop service.

If WN does add DAL-CVG nonstop service, WN can also probably get more connecting traffic on DAL-CVG flights once demand for domestic air travel recovers with the cuts that other carriers have made at CVG in the last 3 years, including
(a) DL dropping CVG-AUS nonstop service,
(b) DL having reduced frequencies on CVG-DFW/IAH/LAX nonstop service,
(c) F9 having dropped CVG-AUS/IAH/PHX/SAT/SAN/SFO nonstop service,
(d) AA having dropped CVG-PHX nonstop service, and
(e) UA downgauging CVG-DEN and CVG-IAH nonstop flights.

WN can make DAL-CVG nonstop service work with fewer non-connecting passengers with the connections that are available at DAL on WN whereas other carriers such as G4 or NK would need more O&D traffic to make DFW-CVG nonstop service work.
 
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Re: Southwest Schedule Extension - Aug 13

Mon Aug 24, 2020 10:21 pm

Moderators, please close thread..supposed to be about Aug 13 schedule changes, not what routes could be added months or years down the road
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Re: Southwest Schedule Extension - Aug 13

Mon Aug 24, 2020 10:28 pm

DaCubbyBearBar wrote:
Moderators, please close thread..supposed to be about Aug 13 schedule changes, not what routes could be added months or years down the road


I agree with your point.
 
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Re: Southwest Schedule Extension - Aug 13

Mon Aug 24, 2020 10:30 pm

DaCubbyBearBar wrote:
Moderators, please close thread..supposed to be about Aug 13 schedule changes, not what routes could be added months or years down the road


Or change it to Southwest 2021 Fleet and network.

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Re: Southwest Schedule Extension - Aug 13

Mon Aug 24, 2020 10:37 pm

Ishrion wrote:
Southwest press release for DAL/DEN-HDN: https://www.swamedia.com/releases/relea ... s-colorado


DAL-HDN is the first WN nonstop route of of DAL to a new WN destination outside of Texas, neighboring states, or former AirTran destinations, whereas all of the other WN nonstop routes that were added out of DAL in the last 6 years were to destinations that were served by WN prior to the repeal of the Wright Amendment on 10/13/2014.
 
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Re: Southwest Schedule Extension - Aug 13

Mon Aug 24, 2020 10:43 pm

wnflyguy wrote:
Or change it to Southwest 2021 Fleet and network.


Not ready to rename this thread as Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021 yet as there are still 4 more months remaining in 2020. In addition, WN also has at least one more schedule extension later this year as WN's next schedule extension is currently supposed to happen on 11/12/2020.

WN also has a Q3 2020 Financial Results Schedule Call on October 22nd that will discuss financial results for the July 2020 through September 2020 time period.
 
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Re: Southwest Schedule Extension - Aug 13

Tue Aug 25, 2020 12:00 am

jplatts wrote:
DaCubbyBearBar wrote:
Moderators, please close thread..supposed to be about Aug 13 schedule changes, not what routes could be added months or years down the road


I agree with your point.


Then why do you keep posting?

jplatts wrote:
wnflyguy wrote:
Or change it to Southwest 2021 Fleet and network.


Not ready to rename this thread as Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2021 yet as there are still 4 more months remaining in 2020. In addition, WN also has at least one more schedule extension later this year as WN's next schedule extension is currently supposed to happen on 11/12/2020.

WN also has a Q3 2020 Financial Results Schedule Call on October 22nd that will discuss financial results for the July 2020 through September 2020 time period.


There already is another southwest fleet/network thread.
 
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Re: Southwest Schedule Extension - Aug 13

Tue Aug 25, 2020 12:23 am

Jshank83 wrote:
Then why do you keep posting?


I was posting about possible adds out of DAL by WN in response to other individuals who have mentioned WN possibly nonstop service to additional ski resort destinations and PSP from DAL earlier in this thread.

Jshank83 wrote:
There already is another southwest fleet/network thread.


The current Southwest Fleet/Network Thread can be found at https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1437991&start=400.
 
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Re: Southwest Schedule Extension - Aug 13

Tue Aug 25, 2020 1:05 am

...and WN COULD add nonstop service from DAL to anywhere in the USA. No more reason to hypothesize on it ad nauseam.....
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Tue Aug 25, 2020 1:23 am

Will WN have a special 50th anniversary livery with WN's 50th anniversary coming up on June 18, 2021, which is less than 10 months away?

If WN does have plans for a special 50th anniversary livery, I would probably expect some 737-700 and/or 737-800 planes to be repainted with the delays associated with getting the 737 MAX planes back into service.

There was a discussion two years ago about a special WN 50th anniversary livery at https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1398807, but the discussion was prior to the JT 610 crash, the ET 302 crash, or the 737 MAX grounding.

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