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RWA380
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Mar 29, 2020 12:35 pm

flyoregon wrote:
RWA380 wrote:
Alaska Airlines is cutting capacity by 70-80% in April, May, June & beyond will be based upon demand.

https://newsroom.alaskaair.com/2020-03- ... serve-cash

Further the release announces CEO is working for free until end of September & other managers are taking huge cuts. Quite a nice banding together & circling of the wagons.


I assume just as this reduction was a vast change from the originally announced 10% cut, an increase of service could come back sooner than the April, May, June timeline IF things improved? If there’s a need, AS will fill where needed.


You are seeing the bulk cuts, next I'd expect a few stations & lots more frequencies reduced even further before May. I've not gone digging, but I did speak to my GF who flies for AS while she was on a four day road trip, it was reduced to just three days & then she came home to her domicile & spent 24 hours, then went on a single day trip, PDX-SEA-SFO-PDX. She is getting paid to stay home on a couple of days, but because she's got seniority she likely won't get furloughed, but she told me, they've been told the cuts are just starting.

This next couple of weeks QX is down to 1 r/t daily from PDX to RDM.

AS 2325 9:40 am - 10:28 am PDX - RDM E-175 (plane goes on to SAN)
AS 2236 12:25 pm - 1:12 pm RDM - PDX E-175 (plane comes in from LAX)

Also QX chopped PDX-EUG down to 1 r/t daily.

AS 2130 3:10 pm - 3:54 pm PDX-EUG Q-400
AS 2135 4:30 pm - 5:14 pm EUG-PDX Q-400

And PDX-MFR is down to just 2 flights daily.

AS 2821 4:05 pm - 5:05 pm PDX-MFR Q-400
AS 2059 10:50 pm - 11:50 pm PDX-MFR Q-400

AS 2094 3:40 pm - 4:40 pm MFR-PDX Q-400
AS 2084 7:30 pm - 8:30 pm MFR-PDX Q-400
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Mar 29, 2020 4:33 pm

RWA380 wrote:

Also QX chopped PDX-EUG down to 1 r/t daily.

AS 2130 3:10 pm - 3:54 pm PDX-EUG Q-400
AS 2135 4:30 pm - 5:14 pm EUG-PDX Q-400


I’m honestly a bit surprised this service is being maintained. You’d figure people would feel safer isolated in a car.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Mar 29, 2020 7:22 pm

Here's the 3/29 OAG. The AS 70% reduction was not loaded in this round, per EA CO AS. viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1443661

AA EUG-LAX APR 1.7>0.4[1.7]
AA LAX-MFR APR 1.0>0.2[1.0]
AA LAX-PDX APR 3>0.6[3]
AA LAX-RDM APR 1.0>0.2[1.7]
AA ORD-PDX APR 1.0>0.2[1.0]
AA PDX-PHX APR 3>1.4[4]

AS BOI-PDX APR 7>6[8]
AS HNL-PDX APR 1.0>0.7[1.0]
AS KOA-PDX APR 1.0>0.7[1.0]
AS LIH-PDX APR 1.0>0.7[1.0]
AS OGG-PDX APR 2>1.5[2]
AS PDX-SEA APR 15>13[16]
AS PSC-SEA APR 7>6[7]
AS RDM-SEA APR 6>5[5]

DL AMS-PDX APR 0.9>0.4[1.0]
DL ATL-PDX APR 3>1.0[3]
DL DTW-PDX APR 1.0>0.0[1.0]
DL JFK-PDX APR 1.0>0.0[1.4]
DL LAX-PDX APR 4>3[5]
DL PDX-SEA APR 8>4[7]
DL PDX-SLC APR 5>3[6]
DL EUG-SEA APR 3>2[3]
DL MFR-SEA APR 3>2[2]
DL MFR-SLC APR 2>1.0[2]
DL RDM-SEA APR 3>2[3]
DL MSP-PSC APR 1.0>0.0[1.0]
DL PSC-SEA APR 4>2[3]
DL PSC-SLC APR 3>2[3]

HA HNL-PDX APR 1.0>0[1.0]
HA OGG-PDX APR 1.0>0[1.0]

UA PDX-SFO APR 5>4[7]
UA DEN-RDM APR 2>1.5[2]
UA DEN-PSC APR 2>1.6[3]

WS PDX-YYC APR 0.3>0[0.1]

Y4 MLM-PDX JUL 0.3>0[0] AUG 0.3>0[0] SEP 0.3>0[0] OCT 0.3>0[0] NOV 0.3>0[0] DEC 0.3>0[0]
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Mar 29, 2020 7:55 pm

khinstorff wrote:
RWA380 wrote:

Also QX chopped PDX-EUG down to 1 r/t daily.

AS 2130 3:10 pm - 3:54 pm PDX-EUG Q-400
AS 2135 4:30 pm - 5:14 pm EUG-PDX Q-400


I’m honestly a bit surprised this service is being maintained. You’d figure people would feel safer isolated in a car.


I think the question pops up every so often as to why there are usually 3-5 x daily flights on such a short hop & I can't tell you why. I know of no one that flies to EUG from PDX. The drive is 2 hours on Interstate the entire way. The price alone is often prohibitive & even companies will rent cars for employees going to Eugene if they must go. There might be a reason being an inter-state carrier, that they want to, or need to provide essential air service for government employees?

I've been flying PDX-RDM-PDX during the winter months, I have one more trip in April booked & paid for. I guess I finally get my first E-175 ride. Flights have been 50% loads at best. I'm wondering if this means full planes now, or just less half empty flights?
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Mar 29, 2020 8:23 pm

RWA380 wrote:
khinstorff wrote:
RWA380 wrote:

Also QX chopped PDX-EUG down to 1 r/t daily.

AS 2130 3:10 pm - 3:54 pm PDX-EUG Q-400
AS 2135 4:30 pm - 5:14 pm EUG-PDX Q-400


I’m honestly a bit surprised this service is being maintained. You’d figure people would feel safer isolated in a car.


I think the question pops up every so often as to why there are usually 3-5 x daily flights on such a short hop & I can't tell you why. I know of no one that flies to EUG from PDX. The drive is 2 hours on Interstate the entire way. The price alone is often prohibitive & even companies will rent cars for employees going to Eugene if they must go. There might be a reason being an inter-state carrier, that they want to, or need to provide essential air service for government employees?

I've been flying PDX-RDM-PDX during the winter months, I have one more trip in April booked & paid for. I guess I finally get my first E-175 ride. Flights have been 50% loads at best. I'm wondering if this means full planes now, or just less half empty flights?


I’d guess PDX-EUG is almost entirely connections.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Mar 29, 2020 11:44 pm

Chugach wrote:
RWA380 wrote:
khinstorff wrote:

I’m honestly a bit surprised this service is being maintained. You’d figure people would feel safer isolated in a car.


I think the question pops up every so often as to why there are usually 3-5 x daily flights on such a short hop & I can't tell you why. I know of no one that flies to EUG from PDX. The drive is 2 hours on Interstate the entire way. The price alone is often prohibitive & even companies will rent cars for employees going to Eugene if they must go. There might be a reason being an inter-state carrier, that they want to, or need to provide essential air service for government employees?

I've been flying PDX-RDM-PDX during the winter months, I have one more trip in April booked & paid for. I guess I finally get my first E-175 ride. Flights have been 50% loads at best. I'm wondering if this means full planes now, or just less half empty flights?


I’d guess PDX-EUG is almost entirely connections.


I'd wager with you on that. As this progresses AAG is going to keep what it can that breaks even or better, there will obviously be flights operating at substantial losses, just not as many. I would wager EUG on AS would route via SEA, with one non-stop. However this is ill timed for day trippers on government or any business, it now requires an overnight, this is only connections & non-revs.
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Mar 30, 2020 11:25 pm

Just got an email from SY that my PDX-MSN flight on 6/13 has been cancelled. Looks like the first flight now pushed back to 6/17. Inaugural was to have been 6/3.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Mar 31, 2020 12:59 am

Any updates on the international flights at PDX? I'm curious about Condor, PDX-LHR (DL and BA), and when PDX-HND is scheduled to launch.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Mar 31, 2020 5:50 am

DeltaPSCFlyer wrote:
Any updates on the international flights at PDX? I'm curious about Condor, PDX-LHR (DL and BA), and when PDX-HND is scheduled to launch.

You'l know when the pandemic is over. My guess is that demand will be slow to return when the pandemic is over. My guess is no international flights out of PDX in 2020 as the big hubs will be the first to return. They'll come back in 2021.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:09 pm

RWA380 wrote:
khinstorff wrote:
RWA380 wrote:

Also QX chopped PDX-EUG down to 1 r/t daily.

AS 2130 3:10 pm - 3:54 pm PDX-EUG Q-400
AS 2135 4:30 pm - 5:14 pm EUG-PDX Q-400


I’m honestly a bit surprised this service is being maintained. You’d figure people would feel safer isolated in a car.


I think the question pops up every so often as to why there are usually 3-5 x daily flights on such a short hop & I can't tell you why. I know of no one that flies to EUG from PDX. The drive is 2 hours on Interstate the entire way. The price alone is often prohibitive & even companies will rent cars for employees going to Eugene if they must go. There might be a reason being an inter-state carrier, that they want to, or need to provide essential air service for government employees?

I've been flying PDX-RDM-PDX during the winter months, I have one more trip in April booked & paid for. I guess I finally get my first E-175 ride. Flights have been 50% loads at best. I'm wondering if this means full planes now, or just less half empty flights?


When I went to school in Eugene 10 years ago- I used to take the old United Express Brasilia’s up to PDX to connect back to the Midwest. That seems like it was 50 years ago!
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Mar 31, 2020 5:57 pm

AS737MAX wrote:
Just got an email from SY that my PDX-MSN flight on 6/13 has been cancelled. Looks like the first flight now pushed back to 6/17. Inaugural was to have been 6/3.


SY schedule gutted through April. MSP turns, with an odd MSP-PDX-SEA-MSP routing at times.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Mar 31, 2020 6:48 pm

twincommander wrote:
AS737MAX wrote:
Just got an email from SY that my PDX-MSN flight on 6/13 has been cancelled. Looks like the first flight now pushed back to 6/17. Inaugural was to have been 6/3.


SY schedule gutted through April. MSP turns, with an odd MSP-PDX-SEA-MSP routing at times.


Not surprised - such a light schedule as it is.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:16 pm

babcock wrote:
DeltaPSCFlyer wrote:
Any updates on the international flights at PDX? I'm curious about Condor, PDX-LHR (DL and BA), and when PDX-HND is scheduled to launch.

You'l know when the pandemic is over. My guess is that demand will be slow to return when the pandemic is over. My guess is no international flights out of PDX in 2020 as the big hubs will be the first to return. They'll come back in 2021.


Thanks. Wasn't sure if I had missed any official announcements beyond the suspensions through April/May by DL for their HND and AMS flights.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Mar 31, 2020 9:24 pm

khinstorff wrote:
RWA380 wrote:
khinstorff wrote:

I’m honestly a bit surprised this service is being maintained. You’d figure people would feel safer isolated in a car.


I think the question pops up every so often as to why there are usually 3-5 x daily flights on such a short hop & I can't tell you why. I know of no one that flies to EUG from PDX. The drive is 2 hours on Interstate the entire way. The price alone is often prohibitive & even companies will rent cars for employees going to Eugene if they must go. There might be a reason being an inter-state carrier, that they want to, or need to provide essential air service for government employees?

I've been flying PDX-RDM-PDX during the winter months, I have one more trip in April booked & paid for. I guess I finally get my first E-175 ride. Flights have been 50% loads at best. I'm wondering if this means full planes now, or just less half empty flights?


When I went to school in Eugene 10 years ago- I used to take the old United Express Brasilia’s up to PDX to connect back to the Midwest. That seems like it was 50 years ago!


When I was going to college at U of O, AA started flying to EUG 2 x daily from PDX on the 727-100. Then we got the 727-200 & ultimately the MD-80's before they pulled out of Eugene. The one flight went onto DFW & the other ORD. Fares we usually 20-25 each way, a bit more than the bus, but it was a flying thing.

In addition, my good friend when we went to Lakeridge together, was M'lissa Ives, her father was Victor Ives (Sinister Cinema) for those old time Rose City residents.
But he owned KMJK radio 106.7fm in Portland. They bartered with Horizon Air for advertising space for passes. So we also flew the SWM & F-27's.
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Apr 01, 2020 3:58 pm

SWA Schedule for random weekday dates in May -

OAK - 3
SJC - 2
PHX - 0 (surprising)
DEN - 3
DAL - 0
MDW - 1
MCI - 0
STL - 1
SMF - 2
LAS - 3

Looks like 15 flights during the week.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Apr 01, 2020 5:18 pm

midway7 wrote:
SWA Schedule for random weekday dates in May -

OAK - 3
SJC - 2
PHX - 0 (surprising)
DEN - 3
DAL - 0
MDW - 1
MCI - 0
STL - 1
SMF - 2
LAS - 3

Looks like 15 flights during the week.


DEN & LAS capacity seems high, but the connections are endless with WN at either place. I wonder how all our PDX carriers are cutting back as well. I checked the 3 Intra-State routes on AS/QX.

Then decided, I'm bored & stuck inside so I pulled up the AS map & tried each n/s city with next weeks schedules, I used Weds the 8th & Friday the 10th as a return. hence the varied times a day. I guess, most routes are going 1-2 x daily, but it's still 60 departures & arrivals a day.

ABQ - 1
ANC - 2
AUS - 1
BIL - 1
BZN - 1
BOI - 3
BOS - 1
BUR - 1
BWI - 0
ORD - 1
DAL - 2
DFW - 1
EUG- 1
PAE - 1
FAT - 1
FCA - 0
MCI - 1
LAS - 1-2
LAX - 2-4
MFR - 2
MSP - 1
MSO - 1
EWR - 1
JFK - 1
OAK - 1
OMA - 0
ONT - 1
SNA - 2
MCO - 1
PSP - 0
PHX - 1
RDM - 1
STS - 1
SMF - 2
SBA - 1
SAN - 2
SBP - 0
SFO - 1-2
SJC - 2
SLC - 1
SEA - 8
GEG - 5
DCA - 1
SJD - 0
PVR - 0

Alaska has cleared all Hawaii starting April 8th until ??

LIH - 0
HNL - 0
KOA - 0
OGG - 0
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Apr 01, 2020 8:08 pm

RWA380 wrote:
midway7 wrote:
SWA Schedule for random weekday dates in May -

OAK - 3
SJC - 2
PHX - 0 (surprising)
DEN - 3
DAL - 0
MDW - 1
MCI - 0
STL - 1
SMF - 2
LAS - 3

Looks like 15 flights during the week.


DEN & LAS capacity seems high, but the connections are endless with WN at either place. I wonder how all our PDX carriers are cutting back as well. I checked the 3 Intra-State routes on AS/QX.

Then decided, I'm bored & stuck inside so I pulled up the AS map & tried each n/s city with next weeks schedules, I used Weds the 8th & Friday the 10th as a return. hence the varied times a day. I guess, most routes are going 1-2 x daily, but it's still 60 departures & arrivals a day.

ABQ - 1
ANC - 2
AUS - 1
BIL - 1
BZN - 1
BOI - 3
BOS - 1
BUR - 1
BWI - 0
ORD - 1
DAL - 2
DFW - 1
EUG- 1
PAE - 1
FAT - 1
FCA - 0
MCI - 1
LAS - 1-2
LAX - 2-4
MFR - 2
MSP - 1
MSO - 1
EWR - 1
JFK - 1
OAK - 1
OMA - 0
ONT - 1
SNA - 2
MCO - 1
PSP - 0
PHX - 1
RDM - 1
STS - 1
SMF - 2
SBA - 1
SAN - 2
SBP - 0
SFO - 1-2
SJC - 2
SLC - 1
SEA - 8
GEG - 5
DCA - 1
SJD - 0
PVR - 0

Alaska has cleared all Hawaii starting April 8th until ??

LIH - 0
HNL - 0
KOA - 0
OGG - 0


Still appears to be a ridiculous amount of capacity and lift. Travel is cratering and it's obviously not going to get better soon. My flights to GEG on 3/7 were 1/5 full (Q400s both ways) and that was almost a month ago, yet there's still 5 RTs for the dates you looked at.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Apr 01, 2020 10:22 pm

AS737MAX wrote:
RWA380 wrote:
midway7 wrote:
SWA Schedule for random weekday dates in May -

OAK - 3
SJC - 2
PHX - 0 (surprising)
DEN - 3
DAL - 0
MDW - 1
MCI - 0
STL - 1
SMF - 2
LAS - 3

Looks like 15 flights during the week.


DEN & LAS capacity seems high, but the connections are endless with WN at either place. I wonder how all our PDX carriers are cutting back as well. I checked the 3 Intra-State routes on AS/QX.

Then decided, I'm bored & stuck inside so I pulled up the AS map & tried each n/s city with next weeks schedules, I used Weds the 8th & Friday the 10th as a return. hence the varied times a day. I guess, most routes are going 1-2 x daily, but it's still 60 departures & arrivals a day.

ABQ - 1
ANC - 2
AUS - 1
BIL - 1
BZN - 1
BOI - 3
BOS - 1
BUR - 1
BWI - 0
ORD - 1
DAL - 2
DFW - 1
EUG- 1
PAE - 1
FAT - 1
FCA - 0
MCI - 1
LAS - 1-2
LAX - 2-4
MFR - 2
MSP - 1
MSO - 1
EWR - 1
JFK - 1
OAK - 1
OMA - 0
ONT - 1
SNA - 2
MCO - 1
PSP - 0
PHX - 1
RDM - 1
STS - 1
SMF - 2
SBA - 1
SAN - 2
SBP - 0
SFO - 1-2
SJC - 2
SLC - 1
SEA - 8
GEG - 5
DCA - 1
SJD - 0
PVR - 0

Alaska has cleared all Hawaii starting April 8th until ??

LIH - 0
HNL - 0
KOA - 0
OGG - 0


Still appears to be a ridiculous amount of capacity and lift. Travel is cratering and it's obviously not going to get better soon. My flights to GEG on 3/7 were 1/5 full (Q400s both ways) and that was almost a month ago, yet there's still 5 RTs for the dates you looked at.


Been flying PDX-RDM-PDX in the past 30 days, half full over & everyone had their own 2 seats on the way back, both Q-400's. Next trip on the 9th there is only 1 flight & it's an E-175 both ways. They are routing jets for RDM-LAX & SAN-RDM.
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Apr 01, 2020 10:37 pm

AS737MAX wrote:
RWA380 wrote:
midway7 wrote:
SWA Schedule for random weekday dates in May -

OAK - 3
SJC - 2
PHX - 0 (surprising)
DEN - 3
DAL - 0
MDW - 1
MCI - 0
STL - 1
SMF - 2
LAS - 3

Looks like 15 flights during the week.


DEN & LAS capacity seems high, but the connections are endless with WN at either place. I wonder how all our PDX carriers are cutting back as well. I checked the 3 Intra-State routes on AS/QX.

Then decided, I'm bored & stuck inside so I pulled up the AS map & tried each n/s city with next weeks schedules, I used Weds the 8th & Friday the 10th as a return. hence the varied times a day. I guess, most routes are going 1-2 x daily, but it's still 60 departures & arrivals a day.

ABQ - 1
ANC - 2
AUS - 1
BIL - 1
BZN - 1
BOI - 3
BOS - 1
BUR - 1
BWI - 0
ORD - 1
DAL - 2
DFW - 1
EUG- 1
PAE - 1
FAT - 1
FCA - 0
MCI - 1
LAS - 1-2
LAX - 2-4
MFR - 2
MSP - 1
MSO - 1
EWR - 1
JFK - 1
OAK - 1
OMA - 0
ONT - 1
SNA - 2
MCO - 1
PSP - 0
PHX - 1
RDM - 1
STS - 1
SMF - 2
SBA - 1
SAN - 2
SBP - 0
SFO - 1-2
SJC - 2
SLC - 1
SEA - 8
GEG - 5
DCA - 1
SJD - 0
PVR - 0

Alaska has cleared all Hawaii starting April 8th until ??

LIH - 0
HNL - 0
KOA - 0
OGG - 0


Still appears to be a ridiculous amount of capacity and lift. Travel is cratering and it's obviously not going to get better soon. My flights to GEG on 3/7 were 1/5 full (Q400s both ways) and that was almost a month ago, yet there's still 5 RTs for the dates you looked at.


Hear they were storing Qs in GEG. There is a maintenance base there but they might have to rotate some of the Qs through PDX for some other maintenance. Also QX has a FA base at GEG so they might need be maintaining the frequency for crew flow.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:01 pm

gmcc wrote:
AS737MAX wrote:
RWA380 wrote:

DEN & LAS capacity seems high, but the connections are endless with WN at either place. I wonder how all our PDX carriers are cutting back as well. I checked the 3 Intra-State routes on AS/QX.

Then decided, I'm bored & stuck inside so I pulled up the AS map & tried each n/s city with next weeks schedules, I used Weds the 8th & Friday the 10th as a return. hence the varied times a day. I guess, most routes are going 1-2 x daily, but it's still 60 departures & arrivals a day.

ABQ - 1
ANC - 2
AUS - 1
BIL - 1
BZN - 1
BOI - 3
BOS - 1
BUR - 1
BWI - 0
ORD - 1
DAL - 2
DFW - 1
EUG- 1
PAE - 1
FAT - 1
FCA - 0
MCI - 1
LAS - 1-2
LAX - 2-4
MFR - 2
MSP - 1
MSO - 1
EWR - 1
JFK - 1
OAK - 1
OMA - 0
ONT - 1
SNA - 2
MCO - 1
PSP - 0
PHX - 1
RDM - 1
STS - 1
SMF - 2
SBA - 1
SAN - 2
SBP - 0
SFO - 1-2
SJC - 2
SLC - 1
SEA - 8
GEG - 5
DCA - 1
SJD - 0
PVR - 0

Alaska has cleared all Hawaii starting April 8th until ??

LIH - 0
HNL - 0
KOA - 0
OGG - 0


Still appears to be a ridiculous amount of capacity and lift. Travel is cratering and it's obviously not going to get better soon. My flights to GEG on 3/7 were 1/5 full (Q400s both ways) and that was almost a month ago, yet there's still 5 RTs for the dates you looked at.


Hear they were storing Qs in GEG. There is a maintenance base there but they might have to rotate some of the Qs through PDX for some other maintenance. Also QX has a FA base at GEG so they might need be maintaining the frequency for crew flow.


I heard Q's being parked at HIO & SLE as well. Likely any place that they can right now. Other mainline aircraft are being stored in all 4 time zones.
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:34 pm

RWA380 wrote:
gmcc wrote:
AS737MAX wrote:

Still appears to be a ridiculous amount of capacity and lift. Travel is cratering and it's obviously not going to get better soon. My flights to GEG on 3/7 were 1/5 full (Q400s both ways) and that was almost a month ago, yet there's still 5 RTs for the dates you looked at.


Hear they were storing Qs in GEG. There is a maintenance base there but they might have to rotate some of the Qs through PDX for some other maintenance. Also QX has a FA base at GEG so they might need be maintaining the frequency for crew flow.


I heard Q's being parked at HIO & SLE as well. Likely any place that they can right now. Other mainline aircraft are being stored in all 4 time zones.


I know of at least 2 at HIO: N434MK as QX9988 on 3/20 and N412QX as QX9986 on 3/20. Might drive over there this weekend to see where they are parked.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:44 pm

Found a picture of the two at HIO a couple of days ago. They appear to be parked on grass. That means the Q is an ATR (All Terrian Ride) :duck: . Photo is under the March 22 update on the following link.

https://dash8world.com/news-blog
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Apr 04, 2020 6:08 pm

Boutique Air moved to their new location. The Port converted the old Skywest hangar office into a terminal. Who knows how long they will last under the current circumstances.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Apr 04, 2020 6:12 pm

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Boutique Air moved to their new location. The Port converted the old Skywest hangar office into a terminal. Who knows how long they will last under the current circumstances.


Where exactly is that located on the airport property??
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Apr 04, 2020 10:34 pm

lhpdx wrote:
ramprat74 wrote:
Boutique Air moved to their new location. The Port converted the old Skywest hangar office into a terminal. Who knows how long they will last under the current circumstances.


Where exactly is that located on the airport property??


Right next to Atlantic. In between quad 7 and the new FBO facility.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Apr 05, 2020 5:37 pm

4/5 OAG: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1444097

AA DFW-PDX MAY 4>3[4]
AA LAX-PDX MAY 2>0[3]
AA ORD-PDX MAY 1.6>0.6[1.8]
AA PDX-PHX MAY 3>0.7[3]
AA EUG-LAX MAY 1.6>0[2.0]
AA EUG-PHX MAY 1.0>0.7[1.0]
AA LAX-MFR MAY 0.8>0[1.0]
AA MFR-PHX MAY 1.0>0.7[1.0]
AA LAX-RDM MAY 0.8>0[1.6]
AA PHX-RDM MAY 1.0>0.7[1.0]

AC PDX-YVR MAY 4>0[4]
AC PDX-YYC MAY 1.0>0[1.0]

B6 JFK-PDX MAY 0.6>0[0.6] NOV 0>0.6[0.7] DEC 0>0.7[0.8]

F9 DEN-PDX MAY 2>0.5[1.8]
F9 LAS-PDX MAY 0.6>0.3[0]

HA HNL-PDX MAY 1.0>0[1.0] JUN 1.0>0[1.0] JUL 1.0>0[1.0] AUG 1.0>0[1.0] SEP 1.0>0[1.0] OCT 1.0>0.2[1.0] (Error Suspected)
HA OGG-PDX MAY 1.0>0[1.0] JUN 1.0>0[1.0] JUL 1.0>0[1.0] AUG 1.0>0[1.0] SEP 1.0>0[1.0] OCT 1.0>0.2[1.0] (Error Suspected)

NK LAS-PDX MAY 2>0.6[3]
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Apr 05, 2020 6:02 pm

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I heard Q's being parked at HIO & SLE as well. Likely any place that they can right now. Other mainline aircraft are being stored in all 4 time zones.


Nothing at TTD? 8-)
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Apr 05, 2020 6:47 pm

Taking a shot here, I'm flying to RDM on this Thursday the 9th. As I had stated recently here, AS is down to 1 r/t a day PDX-RDM-PDX. Last Thursday AS/QX added a segment that departs at 1 pm, in addition to the daily 9:40 am departure (which I was on).

It seems I may be the only person on the flight (I'm just listed) & no seat assignments are gone. It's flight 2957 & it doesn't seem to go anywhere after that arrival into RDM. So, I am naturally curious why this was added last minute & why it's routing to RDM. Any info would be appreciated. Both operated by E-175's.
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Apr 05, 2020 10:46 pm

Re-ran dummy bookings for PDX. Outbound Wednesday, April 15/Inbound Friday, April 17.

Air Canada
YVR - 0/0, YYC - 0/0, YYZ - 0/0

Alaska
BOI - 1/1, BUR - 1/1, LAS - 1/1, LAX - 2/2, ONT - 1/1, PHX - 1/1, SMF - 1/1, SAN - 1/1, SFO - 2/2, SJC - 2/2, SLC - 1/1, SEA - 8/8, GEG - 1/1

ABQ - 0/0, ANC - 0/0, AUS - 0/0, BIL - 0/0, BZN - 0/0, BOS - 0/0, BWI - 0/0, ORD - 0/0, DAL - 0/0, DFW - 0/0, EUG- 0/0, PAE - 0/0, FAT - 0/0, FCA - 0/0, MCI - 0/0, MFR - 0/0
MSP - 0/0, MSO - 0/0, EWR - 0/0, JFK - 0/0, OAK - 0/0, OMA - 0/0, SNA - 0/0, MCO - 0/0, PSP - 0/0, RDM - 0/0, STS - 0/0, SBA - 0/0, SBP - 0/0, DCA - 0/0, SJD - 0/0
PVR - 0/0, YVR - 0/0, LIH - 0/0, HNL - 0/0, OGG - 0/0, KOA - 0/0, RNO 0/0, TUS 0/0

American
CLT - 1/1, ORD - 0/0, DFW - 1/3, PHX - 1/1, LAX - 0/0

Boutique
PDT - 3/4

Condor
FRA - 0/0

Delta
ATL - 1/1, LAX - 2/2, MSP - 2/2, SLC - 3/3, SEA - 4/4
AMS - 0/0, DTW - 0/0, JFK - 0/0, HND - 0/0, LHR - 0/0, LAS - 0/0

Frontier
DEN - 0/0 (Operates other days of the week)
LAS - 0/1 (Operates other days of the week)

Hawaiian
HNL - 0/0, OGG - 0/0

Jetblue
JFK - 0/0, LGB - 0/0, ANC - 0/0, BOS - 0/0

Southwest
MDW - 1/2, DEN - 5/4, LAS - 5/3, LAX - 1/1, OAK - 3/4, ONT - 1/1, PHX - 2/3, SMF - 3/4, SAN - 1/1, SJC - 4/3,
BUR - 0/0, DAL - 0/0, BWI - 0/0, MCI - 0/0, BNA - 0/0

Spirit
LAS - 0/0

Sun Country
HNL - 0/0, MSN - 0/0, BNA - 0/0, SFO - 0/0, PHX - 0/0, SAN - 0/0, STL - 0/0, LAS - 0/0, MSP - 0/0 (Operates other days of the week)

United
ORD - 1/1, DEN - 2/2, IAH - 1/1, SFO - 2/2
EWR - 0/0, IAD - 0/0

Volaris
GDL - 0/1

Westjet
YYC - 0/0
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Apr 05, 2020 10:52 pm

Near as I can tell, PDX-SEA is the only route from Portland that AS has mainline service. Everything else on AS ex-PDX appears to be Horizon or Skywest.

Wild times.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Apr 06, 2020 3:06 am

AS737MAX wrote:
Re-ran dummy bookings for PDX. Outbound Wednesday, April 15/Inbound Friday, April 17.

Air Canada
YVR - 0/0, YYC - 0/0, YYZ - 0/0

Alaska
BOI - 1/1, BUR - 1/1, LAS - 1/1, LAX - 2/2, ONT - 1/1, PHX - 1/1, SMF - 1/1, SAN - 1/1, SFO - 2/2, SJC - 2/2, SLC - 1/1, SEA - 8/8, GEG - 1/1

ABQ - 0/0, ANC - 0/0, AUS - 0/0, BIL - 0/0, BZN - 0/0, BOS - 0/0, BWI - 0/0, ORD - 0/0, DAL - 0/0, DFW - 0/0, EUG- 0/0, PAE - 0/0, FAT - 0/0, FCA - 0/0, MCI - 0/0, MFR - 0/0
MSP - 0/0, MSO - 0/0, EWR - 0/0, JFK - 0/0, OAK - 0/0, OMA - 0/0, SNA - 0/0, MCO - 0/0, PSP - 0/0, RDM - 0/0, STS - 0/0, SBA - 0/0, SBP - 0/0, DCA - 0/0, SJD - 0/0
PVR - 0/0, YVR - 0/0, LIH - 0/0, HNL - 0/0, OGG - 0/0, KOA - 0/0, RNO 0/0, TUS 0/0

American
CLT - 1/1, ORD - 0/0, DFW - 1/3, PHX - 1/1, LAX - 0/0

Boutique
PDT - 3/4

Condor
FRA - 0/0

Delta
ATL - 1/1, LAX - 2/2, MSP - 2/2, SLC - 3/3, SEA - 4/4
AMS - 0/0, DTW - 0/0, JFK - 0/0, HND - 0/0, LHR - 0/0, LAS - 0/0

Frontier
DEN - 0/0 (Operates other days of the week)
LAS - 0/1 (Operates other days of the week)

Hawaiian
HNL - 0/0, OGG - 0/0

Jetblue
JFK - 0/0, LGB - 0/0, ANC - 0/0, BOS - 0/0

Southwest
MDW - 1/2, DEN - 5/4, LAS - 5/3, LAX - 1/1, OAK - 3/4, ONT - 1/1, PHX - 2/3, SMF - 3/4, SAN - 1/1, SJC - 4/3,
BUR - 0/0, DAL - 0/0, BWI - 0/0, MCI - 0/0, BNA - 0/0

Spirit
LAS - 0/0

Sun Country
HNL - 0/0, MSN - 0/0, BNA - 0/0, SFO - 0/0, PHX - 0/0, SAN - 0/0, STL - 0/0, LAS - 0/0, MSP - 0/0 (Operates other days of the week)

United
ORD - 1/1, DEN - 2/2, IAH - 1/1, SFO - 2/2
EWR - 0/0, IAD - 0/0

Volaris
GDL - 0/1

Westjet
YYC - 0/0


Just refunded my tickets. Would have flown there & been stuck, I'll drive in a few weeks.
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Apr 06, 2020 5:47 am

RWA380 wrote:
AS737MAX wrote:
Re-ran dummy bookings for PDX. Outbound Wednesday, April 15/Inbound Friday, April 17.

Air Canada
YVR - 0/0, YYC - 0/0, YYZ - 0/0

Alaska
BOI - 1/1, BUR - 1/1, LAS - 1/1, LAX - 2/2, ONT - 1/1, PHX - 1/1, SMF - 1/1, SAN - 1/1, SFO - 2/2, SJC - 2/2, SLC - 1/1, SEA - 8/8, GEG - 1/1

ABQ - 0/0, ANC - 0/0, AUS - 0/0, BIL - 0/0, BZN - 0/0, BOS - 0/0, BWI - 0/0, ORD - 0/0, DAL - 0/0, DFW - 0/0, EUG- 0/0, PAE - 0/0, FAT - 0/0, FCA - 0/0, MCI - 0/0, MFR - 0/0
MSP - 0/0, MSO - 0/0, EWR - 0/0, JFK - 0/0, OAK - 0/0, OMA - 0/0, SNA - 0/0, MCO - 0/0, PSP - 0/0, RDM - 0/0, STS - 0/0, SBA - 0/0, SBP - 0/0, DCA - 0/0, SJD - 0/0
PVR - 0/0, YVR - 0/0, LIH - 0/0, HNL - 0/0, OGG - 0/0, KOA - 0/0, RNO 0/0, TUS 0/0

American
CLT - 1/1, ORD - 0/0, DFW - 1/3, PHX - 1/1, LAX - 0/0

Boutique
PDT - 3/4

Condor
FRA - 0/0

Delta
ATL - 1/1, LAX - 2/2, MSP - 2/2, SLC - 3/3, SEA - 4/4
AMS - 0/0, DTW - 0/0, JFK - 0/0, HND - 0/0, LHR - 0/0, LAS - 0/0

Frontier
DEN - 0/0 (Operates other days of the week)
LAS - 0/1 (Operates other days of the week)

Hawaiian
HNL - 0/0, OGG - 0/0

Jetblue
JFK - 0/0, LGB - 0/0, ANC - 0/0, BOS - 0/0

Southwest
MDW - 1/2, DEN - 5/4, LAS - 5/3, LAX - 1/1, OAK - 3/4, ONT - 1/1, PHX - 2/3, SMF - 3/4, SAN - 1/1, SJC - 4/3,
BUR - 0/0, DAL - 0/0, BWI - 0/0, MCI - 0/0, BNA - 0/0

Spirit
LAS - 0/0

Sun Country
HNL - 0/0, MSN - 0/0, BNA - 0/0, SFO - 0/0, PHX - 0/0, SAN - 0/0, STL - 0/0, LAS - 0/0, MSP - 0/0 (Operates other days of the week)

United
ORD - 1/1, DEN - 2/2, IAH - 1/1, SFO - 2/2
EWR - 0/0, IAD - 0/0

Volaris
GDL - 0/1

Westjet
YYC - 0/0


Just refunded my tickets. Would have flown there & been stuck, I'll drive in a few weeks.


Figured that might be the case when i got through the OR destinations.

Save for SLC, this is roughly the 1980s AS network ex-PDX. WN still seems high but I think they have rolling cuts being loaded to the schedule each night.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Apr 08, 2020 4:52 pm

Photos of an empty airport: https://www.oregonlive.com/news/j66j-20 ... hotos.html

Appears several AS jets over on 3/21
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Apr 11, 2020 10:15 pm

https://www.slideshare.net/otrec/pdx-ne ... al-airport

A very interesting illustrating and timeline of PDX current constructions and future projects... Some of the highlights beyond the current PDX Next projects, around the 25 million passenger benchmark, are the CC-D and CC-B extension, and the second Terminal core......
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Apr 12, 2020 12:28 am

AS737MAX wrote:
Photos of an empty airport: https://www.oregonlive.com/news/j66j-20 ... hotos.html

Appears several AS jets over on 3/21


I took a (potato) picture on departure on Friday. I can count 19 AS jets down there and there are more out of frame.
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Apr 12, 2020 5:29 am

lhpdx wrote:
https://www.slideshare.net/otrec/pdx-next-redesigning-portland-international-airport

A very interesting illustrating and timeline of PDX current constructions and future projects... Some of the highlights beyond the current PDX Next projects, around the 25 million passenger benchmark, are the CC-D and CC-B extension, and the second Terminal core......


I bet the main terminal rebuild project gets delayed by several years. The drop in revenue is going to hurt them big time. The other projects are all under construction, not sure if the funds to build them are solid or if we might see some of these projects be paused. Certainly something the port never expected when they gave the green light.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Apr 12, 2020 8:07 am

babcock wrote:
lhpdx wrote:
https://www.slideshare.net/otrec/pdx-next-redesigning-portland-international-airport

A very interesting illustrating and timeline of PDX current constructions and future projects... Some of the highlights beyond the current PDX Next projects, around the 25 million passenger benchmark, are the CC-D and CC-B extension, and the second Terminal core......


I bet the main terminal rebuild project gets delayed by several years. The drop in revenue is going to hurt them big time. The other projects are all under construction, not sure if the funds to build them are solid or if we might see some of these projects be paused. Certainly something the port never expected when they gave the green light.


Good point. They've already pulled down a significant amount of those ceiling strips in the ticket lobby, although I haven't been/flown in a month. Wonder if things get significantly pared down. The renderings seem fairly grand.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Apr 12, 2020 3:50 pm

AS737MAX wrote:
babcock wrote:
lhpdx wrote:
https://www.slideshare.net/otrec/pdx-next-redesigning-portland-international-airport

A very interesting illustrating and timeline of PDX current constructions and future projects... Some of the highlights beyond the current PDX Next projects, around the 25 million passenger benchmark, are the CC-D and CC-B extension, and the second Terminal core......


I bet the main terminal rebuild project gets delayed by several years. The drop in revenue is going to hurt them big time. The other projects are all under construction, not sure if the funds to build them are solid or if we might see some of these projects be paused. Certainly something the port never expected when they gave the green light.


Good point. They've already pulled down a significant amount of those ceiling strips in the ticket lobby, although I haven't been/flown in a month. Wonder if things get significantly pared down. The renderings seem fairly grand.


Assuming the funding is locked in, it might be a blessing in disguise, because they can complete the projects quicker and maybe even under-budget (even in PDX?) while traffic volumes are much lower. Then it will be completed when passenger volumes begin ramping up again, post-vaccine. Not sure how much foresight that that the PoP has in this regard.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Apr 12, 2020 5:14 pm

4/12 OAG: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1444505 Good Lord.

AS ABQ-PDX MAY 1.0>0[1.0]
AS ANC-PDX MAY 3>0[3]
AS AUS-PDX MAY 1.0>0[1.0
AS BIL-PDX MAY 1.5>0[0.9
AS BOI-PDX MAY 9>1.0[8]
AS BOS-PDX MAY 2>0[2]
AS BUR-PDX MAY 2>1.0[4]
AS BWI-PDX MAY 0.3>0[0]
AS BZN-PDX MAY 1.0>0[1.0]
AS DAL-PDX MAY 3>0[1.9]
AS DCA-PDX MAY 1.0>0[1.0]
AS EUG-PDX MAY 2>0[2]
AS EUG-SEA MAY 5>2[4]
AS FAT-PDX MAY 2>0[2]
AS FCA-PDX MAY 0.4>0[0]
AS GEG-PDX MAY 8>1.0[8]
AS HNL-PDX MAY 1.0>0.6[1.0]
AS KOA-PDX MAY 0.8>0[1.0]
AS LAS-PDX MAY 4>1.0[4]
AS LAX-PDX MAY 7>5[8]
AS LIH-PDX MAY 0.8>0[1.0]
AS MCO-PDX MAY 1.3>0[1.0]
AS MFR-PDX MAY 5>0[5]
AS MFR-SEA MAY 4>2[4]
AS MSO-PDX MAY 2.0>0[1.0]
AS MSP-PDX MAY 1.0>0[1.0]
AS OAK-PDX MAY 3>0[3]
AS OGG-PDX MAY 2>0.4[2]
AS OMA-PDX MAY 0.4>0[0.5]
AS ONT-PDX MAY 2>1.0[2]
AS ORD-PDX MAY 2>0[1.0]
AS PAE-PDX MAY 3>0[4]
AS PDX-PHX MAY 2>1.0[2]
AS PDX-PSP MAY 1.3>0[2]
AS PDX-PVR MAY 0.4>0[0]
AS PDX-RDM MAY 4>0[4]
AS PDX-RNO MAY 3>0[3]
AS PDX-SBA MAY 1.0>0[1.0]
AS PDX-SEA MAY 18>11[16]
AS PDX-SFO MAY 7>5[8]
AS PDX-SJD MAY 0.4>0[0]
AS PDX-SLC MAY 3>1.0[2]
AS PDX-SMF MAY 4>1.0[4]
AS PDX-SNA MAY 4>2[4]
AS PDX-STS MAY 1.4>0[1.0]
AS PDX-TUS MAY 0.6>0[1.0]
AS PDX-YVR MAY 1.3>0[1.0]
AS RDM-SAN MAY 1.0>0[0]
AS RDM-SEA MAY 5>2[5]
AS PSC-SEA MAY 7>2[7]

DL AMS-PDX MAY 1.0>0[1.0]
DL ATL-PDX MAY 3>1.0[3]
DL DTW-PDX MAY 1.7>0[1.4]
DL JFK-PDX MAY 1.8>0[1.7]
DL LAS-PDX MAY 1.9>0[0]
DL LAX-PDX MAY 4>2[5]
DL LHR-PDX MAY 1.0>0[0.7]
DL MSP-PDX MAY 4>1.8[3]
DL PDX-SEA MAY 8>4[7]
DL PDX-SLC MAY 6>3[6]
DL EUG-SEA MAY 3>1.0[3]
DL EUG-SLC MAY 1.9>1.0[1.9]
DL RDM-SEA MAY 3>2[3]
DL RDM-SLC MAY 1.9>1.0[1.9]
DL MFR-SEA MAY 3>1.8[3] NOV 3>2[2] DEC 3>2[1.9] JAN 3>2[2.0]
DL MFR-SLC MAY 1.9>1.0[1.9]
DL MSP-PSC MAY 1.0>0[1.0]
DL PSC-SEA MAY 4>2[3]
DL PSC-SLC MAY 3>1.8[3]

F9 DEN-PDX JUN 2>1.1[1.9]
F9 LAS-PDX JUN 0.6>0.3[0] JUL 0.6>0.3[0]

HA HNL-PDX OCT 0.2>1.0[1.0]
HA OGG-PDX OCT 0.2>1.0[1.0]

WN BUR-PDX MAY 0.2>0[0.9] JUN 0.8>0.1[0.9]
WN DAL-PDX JUN 0.8>0.1[1.0]
WN DEN-PDX MAY 4>3[5] JUN 4>3[5]
WN HOU-PDX JUN 0.6>0.1[0.7]
WN LAS-PDX MAY 4>3[4] JUN 4>3[4]
WN LAX-PDX MAY 1.0>0.1[2] JUN 0.4>0.0[2]
WN MCI-PDX JUN 0.8>0.1[0.7]
WN MDW-PDX MAY 1.4>1.0[1.7] JUN 1.9>1.1[0.4]
WN OAK-PDX MAY 4>3[5] JUN 5>3[6]
WN ONT-PDX MAY 0.8>0.0[0.9] JUN 1.0>0.1[0.9]
WN PDX-PHX MAY 3>0.2[3] JUN 3>0.3[4]
WN PDX-SAN MAY 1.0>0.1[2] JUN 1.0>0.1[3]
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WN PDX-SMF MAY 4>2[4] JUN 5>2[5]
 
lhpdx
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Apr 12, 2020 5:26 pm

This is so surreal... PDX has been gutted all the way down to the bone marrow........
 
jbpdx
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Apr 13, 2020 12:58 am

Since Alaska has all but abandoned PDX, I won’t be renewing my Alaska Airlines/Bank of America Visa card. Our planned nonstop to Puerto Vallarta (where shutdown is lifted on 1 May) would now be a 27-hour flight with connection. Now I have to shift all my autopays back over to Fred Meyer MasterCard.
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doug_or
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Apr 13, 2020 3:24 am

jbpdx wrote:
Since Alaska has all but abandoned PDX, I won’t be renewing my Alaska Airlines/Bank of America Visa card. Our planned nonstop to Puerto Vallarta (where shutdown is lifted on 1 May) would now be a 27-hour flight with connection. Now I have to shift all my autopays back over to Fred Meyer MasterCard.


I mean you do you, but almost everyone is cutting 70ish%. Declaring you're going to switch your FF status over bad connection options on a planned beach trip in the middle of a pandemic seems a bit out of touch.
When in doubt, one B pump off
 
babcock
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Apr 13, 2020 4:26 am

jbpdx wrote:
Since Alaska has all but abandoned PDX, I won’t be renewing my Alaska Airlines/Bank of America Visa card. Our planned nonstop to Puerto Vallarta (where shutdown is lifted on 1 May) would now be a 27-hour flight with connection. Now I have to shift all my autopays back over to Fred Meyer MasterCard.


Traffic is down 94% at PDX, not sure what you expected. Alaska will restore flights over time. If you are earning miles via credit card, why give up on that?
 
flyoregon
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Apr 13, 2020 4:36 am

jbpdx wrote:
Since Alaska has all but abandoned PDX, I won’t be renewing my Alaska Airlines/Bank of America Visa card. Our planned nonstop to Puerto Vallarta (where shutdown is lifted on 1 May) would now be a 27-hour flight with connection. Now I have to shift all my autopays back over to Fred Meyer MasterCard.


Seems a bit extreme.
 
KFTG
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Apr 13, 2020 5:12 am

jbpdx wrote:
Since Alaska has all but abandoned PDX, I won’t be renewing my Alaska Airlines/Bank of America Visa card. Our planned nonstop to Puerto Vallarta (where shutdown is lifted on 1 May) would now be a 27-hour flight with connection. Now I have to shift all my autopays back over to Fred Meyer MasterCard.

Do you live under a rock?
 
DeltaPSCFlyer
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Apr 13, 2020 4:25 pm

Just read in the thread about LOT being the new purchaser of Condor...well, they backed out of that deal, leaving Condor's future uncertain.

Maybe I'll be proven wrong, but the likelihood we'll see Condor in PDX in the future just diminished significantly. Maybe it will lead to LH coming back to PDX?
 
as737
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Apr 13, 2020 6:05 pm

DeltaPSCFlyer wrote:
Just read in the thread about LOT being the new purchaser of Condor...well, they backed out of that deal, leaving Condor's future uncertain.

Maybe I'll be proven wrong, but the likelihood we'll see Condor in PDX in the future just diminished significantly. Maybe it will lead to LH coming back to PDX?


Maybe, but with this virus going around it doesn't look like it's going to start up any time soon. Especially since passenger loads will be down for quite a while.

Could we see LH's A350 in PDX in the future? That would be wonderful. Although if LH starts the route it will probably be an A330/A340.
 
AS737MAX
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Apr 13, 2020 6:47 pm

as737 wrote:
DeltaPSCFlyer wrote:
Just read in the thread about LOT being the new purchaser of Condor...well, they backed out of that deal, leaving Condor's future uncertain.

Maybe I'll be proven wrong, but the likelihood we'll see Condor in PDX in the future just diminished significantly. Maybe it will lead to LH coming back to PDX?


Maybe, but with this virus going around it doesn't look like it's going to start up any time soon. Especially since passenger loads will be down for quite a while.

Could we see LH's A350 in PDX in the future? That would be wonderful. Although if LH starts the route it will probably be an A330/A340.


I can't imagine seeing either FI or DE at PDX this summer, not sure what will happen with BA. Once we start to see clear reductions in positive patients, and demand begins to trend up again, international service will return first to New York, Southern California, Texas, Florida, Chicago, Washington DC, etc; a 2nd tier next along the lines of Seattle, Las Vegas, Denver; before the Portlands and the Tampas and so on. Seasonal niche Europe service will suffer too and will come back last.

Hopefully DE makes it out of both messes, and the future remains to be seen if AS keeps its non-Oneworld partners and non-aligned partners.
 
chrisair
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Apr 13, 2020 7:24 pm

jbpdx wrote:
Our planned nonstop to Puerto Vallarta (where shutdown is lifted on 1 May) would now be a 27-hour flight with connection.


You're nuts if you travel, let alone take an international flight. No way in hell would I be flying to Mexico (or anywhere internationally) right now. The chances of getting stuck, quarantined, sent back or whatever else is just way too great.

You do you and cancel your credit card and if you REALLY need to go to your holiday to PVR, fly through DFW.
 
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gunsontheroof
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Apr 13, 2020 8:20 pm

chrisair wrote:
jbpdx wrote:
Our planned nonstop to Puerto Vallarta (where shutdown is lifted on 1 May) would now be a 27-hour flight with connection.


You're nuts if you travel, let alone take an international flight. No way in hell would I be flying to Mexico (or anywhere internationally) right now. The chances of getting stuck, quarantined, sent back or whatever else is just way too great.

You do you and cancel your credit card and if you REALLY need to go to your holiday to PVR, fly through DFW.


Beat me to it. There's too much risk of your itinerary suddenly being changed at this point. Throw in an international destination, and you're looking at lot more factors that could really turn the trip into a nightmare. I was about to book a SEA-RDM-SEA trip when the pandemic really started blowing up and decided it wasn't worth the risk (it was to be in July). There's just too much up in the air (or, not...) right now to make out of town, let alone out of country trips worth risking.
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