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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun May 24, 2020 1:45 pm

In among all the doom and gloom, PDX-DEN shows up on AS. Go figure...long overdue.

Credit to the weekly OAG thread.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun May 24, 2020 2:12 pm

pdx wrote:
As of this moment in time, BA starts 02SEP
DL to HND starts 01JUL
DL to AMS starts 01AUG
I guess DL has abandoned their LHR route
Subject to change


Great news on the HND and AMS flights for PDX! Will it be the same daily schedule and aircraft? (A332 for HND and A333 for AMS)

LHR is most probably gone for this year. But with BA starting this year, DL can watch from the sidelines and see if it makes sense to bring it back next summer. Uncertainty around Icelandair and Condor may factor in to how this will play out.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun May 24, 2020 2:20 pm

DeltaPSCFlyer wrote:
pdx wrote:
As of this moment in time, BA starts 02SEP
DL to HND starts 01JUL
DL to AMS starts 01AUG
I guess DL has abandoned their LHR route
Subject to change


Great news on the HND and AMS flights for PDX! Will it be the same daily schedule and aircraft? (A332 for HND and A333 for AMS)

LHR is most probably gone for this year. But with BA starting this year, DL can watch from the sidelines and see if it makes sense to bring it back next summer. Uncertainty around Icelandair and Condor may factor in to how this will play out.


I wouldn’t be surprised to see BA hold out until next summer at this point.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun May 24, 2020 4:30 pm

I'm surprised nobody's mentioned it yet but the OAG thread shows AS starting PDX-DEN later this year (as of now, appears to be a single mainline flight beginning Sept 1!)

As one of the most mentioned and sought-after routes on this thread, there should be some happy people in the Rose City today!

BTW, the route begins with 1 rt/ and actually increases to double-daily later in the year!

Congrats!

bb

(Sorry chugach, I looked but missed your post of a couple hours ago.)
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun May 24, 2020 4:55 pm

5/24 OAG: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1446687 (Full deal)

AC PDX-YVR JUN 0.6>0[4] JUL 4>0[4]
AC PDX-YYC JUL 1.0>0[1.0] AUG 1.0>0[1.0] SEP 1.0>0.8[1.0]

AS AUS-PDX JUN 1.0>0.8[1.0]
AS BWI-PDX JUL 1.0>0[1.0] AUG 1.0>0[0.8] SEP 0.3>0[0]
AS DEN-PDX SEP 0>1.0[0] OCT 0>1.0[0] NOV 0>1.4[0] DEC 0>2[0] JAN 0>2[0] FEB 0>2[0]
AS DFW-PDX JUN 1.0>0.8[1.0]
AS EWR-PDX JUN 1.0>0.8[1.0]
AS HNL-PDX JUN 0.6>0[1.2]
AS JFK-PDX JUN 1.0>0.8[1.0]
AS OGG-PDX JUN 0.4>0[2]
AS PAE-PDX JUL 2>0[4]
AS PDX-PHX JUN 1.0>1.2[2.0]
AS EUG-SEA JUN 2>3[4]
AS MFR-SEA JUN 2>3[4]
AS RDM-SEA JUN 2>3[5]
AS RDM-SFO JUN 1.0>0.8[0]

BA LHR-PDX JUL 0.7>0[0] AUG 0.7>0[0]

DL AMS-PDX JUL 1.0>0[1.0]
DL ATL-PDX JUL 5>3[6]
DL DTW-PDX JUL 1.8>1.0[1.8]
DL JFK-PDX JUL 3>0[3]
DL LAS-PDX JUL 3>0[0]
DL LAX-PDX JUL 5>2[5]
DL MSP-PDX JUL 5>2.0[6]
DL PDX-SEA JUL 8>4[8]
DL PDX-SLC JUL 6>4[6]
DL EUG-SEA JUL 3>2[3]
DL MFR-SEA JUL 3>2[3]
DL RDM-SEA JUL 3>2[3]
DL PSC-SEA JUL 4>3[4]
DL MSP-PSC JUL 1.9>0[2]

G4 AZA-EUG NOV 0.2>0.4[0.3]
G4 LAS-MFR NOV 0.3>0.5[0.3] DEC 0>0.3[0.4]
G4 LAS-PSC DEC 0>0.3[0.6]

HA HNL-PDX JUN 1.0>0[1.0]
HA OGG-PDX JUN 1.0>0[1.0]

NK LAS-PDX JUN 0.4>0.6[3]

SY MSP-PDX JUN 1.0>0.4[1.0]
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun May 24, 2020 4:57 pm

SANFan wrote:
I'm surprised nobody's mentioned it yet but the OAG thread shows AS starting PDX-DEN later this year (as of now, appears to be a single mainline flight beginning Sept 1!)

As one of the most mentioned and sought-after routes on this thread, there should be some happy people in the Rose City today!

BTW, the route begins with 1 rt/ and actually increases to double-daily later in the year!

Congrats!

bb

(Sorry chugach, I looked but missed your post of a couple hours ago.)


Regardless, it's been about time. AS hasn't served it n/s in over a decade, and it's always been figuratively argued that AS didn't want to go up against three other carriers.

RWA380 wrote:
If the exemptions come to fruition, it looks like PDX will be abandoned all together by SY.


Can't see how they could possible survive on a sub-weekly MSP against DL and AS once things return to normal.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun May 24, 2020 5:28 pm

With AS's scheduled increase of the new PDX-DEN route in Nov/Dec (and on into 2021) to 2 daily r/t -- and both on 739s! -- it looks to me like they are very serious about it!

They will certainly have the aircraft and crews (due, I assume, to lots of other cut routes that could very well be permanent) to add this route to the network. I just wonder if this move was triggered specifically by actions of the competition on the route or if the network planners in SEA just felt early fall of this year was a good time to add routes and flights that were due to be added soon anyway? What others might there possible be?

I expect the AAG network map will look somewhat different by summer of 2021 -- we will have to wait and see how extensively it will change...

bb
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun May 24, 2020 6:10 pm

Glad the PDX-DEN gap has finally been filled by AS. Next big hole in the PDX network is UA PDX-LAX.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon May 25, 2020 12:49 am

At work today I noticed the concourse E extension has the gate numbers on the external building now. One thing is missing, E5. The new gates are numbered from E6 to E12. So it goes from E4 (old part) to E6 (new part). Why leave out E5?
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon May 25, 2020 4:54 am

DeltaPSCFlyer wrote:
pdx wrote:
As of this moment in time, BA starts 02SEP
DL to HND starts 01JUL
DL to AMS starts 01AUG
I guess DL has abandoned their LHR route
Subject to change


Great news on the HND and AMS flights for PDX! Will it be the same daily schedule and aircraft? (A332 for HND and A333 for AMS)

LHR is most probably gone for this year. But with BA starting this year, DL can watch from the sidelines and see if it makes sense to bring it back next summer. Uncertainty around Icelandair and Condor may factor in to how this will play out.

Extremely unlikely any of the international flights kick off from PDX this year. Hub flights will be restored first. Hate to be debbie downer here but as I'm looking out over the horizon it might be 2022 before there is a chance of these flights being restored. Travel is off so much that there is a long rebuilding process in front of the airlines.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon May 25, 2020 4:57 am

ramprat74 wrote:
At work today I noticed the concourse E extension has the gate numbers on the external building now. One thing is missing, E5. The new gates are numbered from E6 to E12. So it goes from E4 (old part) to E6 (new part). Why leave out E5?


I think there needs to be some remodeling work that needs to be done around E5. The old stairway by E5 and the elevator would need to be removed. Not sure what else needs to be opened up around the connections between the old and new parts of the concourse.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon May 25, 2020 4:14 pm

ANA787 wrote:
Glad the PDX-DEN gap has finally been filled by AS. Next big hole in the PDX network is UA PDX-LAX.


Probably a good move by Alaska to re-try this market. With UA, WN, and F9 all having reduced their daily/weekly frequencies, the regional AS loyalty should give them an edge when the airline sector recovers.

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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon May 25, 2020 5:27 pm

babcock wrote:
ramprat74 wrote:
At work today I noticed the concourse E extension has the gate numbers on the external building now. One thing is missing, E5. The new gates are numbered from E6 to E12. So it goes from E4 (old part) to E6 (new part). Why leave out E5?


I think there needs to be some remodeling work that needs to be done around E5. The old stairway by E5 and the elevator would need to be removed. Not sure what else needs to be opened up around the connections between the old and new parts of the concourse.


E5 was a widebody-capable gate for UA. In fact, the first 777 (N777UA) was parked there on the day it was delivered to UA on May 15, 1995.

Will it still be widebody-capable after its remodeled?
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon May 25, 2020 7:45 pm

At some point DL will be forced to decide on PDX-HND, and probably sooner than they’d like. Not saying it will even be this summer, but at some point the USDOT will require airlines to fly their awarded HND slots, else lose them to a competitor. International travel may stay down for a while, but DL will have to decide at that point if it makes sense long term to keep the slot and fly PDX-HND.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue May 26, 2020 1:12 pm

DeltaPSCFlyer wrote:
babcock wrote:
ramprat74 wrote:
At work today I noticed the concourse E extension has the gate numbers on the external building now. One thing is missing, E5. The new gates are numbered from E6 to E12. So it goes from E4 (old part) to E6 (new part). Why leave out E5?


I think there needs to be some remodeling work that needs to be done around E5. The old stairway by E5 and the elevator would need to be removed. Not sure what else needs to be opened up around the connections between the old and new parts of the concourse.


E5 was a widebody-capable gate for UA. In fact, the first 777 (N777UA) was parked there on the day it was delivered to UA on May 15, 1995.

Will it still be widebody-capable after its remodeled?


I think E1 can also handle a widebody.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue May 26, 2020 1:15 pm

kavok wrote:
At some point DL will be forced to decide on PDX-HND, and probably sooner than they’d like. Not saying it will even be this summer, but at some point the USDOT will require airlines to fly their awarded HND slots, else lose them to a competitor. International travel may stay down for a while, but DL will have to decide at that point if it makes sense long term to keep the slot and fly PDX-HND.


Honestly PDX-Tokyo probably makes more sense, at least from a load/feed standpoint, for JL now that AS is moving into oneworld. I’ve always heard DL does ok on corporate contracts for PDX-NRT/HND but that outside of those contracts it is the non-rev express more often than not. Someone more plugged in than I am could probably confirm or deny.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue May 26, 2020 2:44 pm

There might be room for a E5 gate area up stairs but not on ground level. Gate E6 is right next to E4. The days of two widebody gates on the E concourse are long gone. E1 now can only hold a 757-300 and all others only fit 737/320.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue May 26, 2020 2:57 pm

Chugach wrote:
kavok wrote:
At some point DL will be forced to decide on PDX-HND, and probably sooner than they’d like. Not saying it will even be this summer, but at some point the USDOT will require airlines to fly their awarded HND slots, else lose them to a competitor. International travel may stay down for a while, but DL will have to decide at that point if it makes sense long term to keep the slot and fly PDX-HND.


Honestly PDX-Tokyo probably makes more sense, at least from a load/feed standpoint, for JL now that AS is moving into oneworld. I’ve always heard DL does ok on corporate contracts for PDX-NRT/HND but that outside of those contracts it is the non-rev express more often than not. Someone more plugged in than I am could probably confirm or deny.


If Delta only did “ok” with contracts, I don’t think that route would have stayed around as long as it has. It’s obviously making enough money to keep it going and for Delta to use an HND slot. Portland’s a unique place for Delta in that it’s not a hub/focus city and has 2 (almost 3) year rounds trans-con flights. They obviously make/made money on them otherwise they wouldnt fly them
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri May 29, 2020 1:37 pm

WN has twice a day PDX-DEN with the loads being very good right now. Where does this reduced frequency come from ?
Frontier14 wrote:
ANA787 wrote:
Glad the PDX-DEN gap has finally been filled by AS. Next big hole in the PDX network is UA PDX-LAX.


Probably a good move by Alaska to re-try this market. With UA, WN, and F9 all having reduced their daily/weekly frequencies, the regional AS loyalty should give them an edge when the airline sector recovers.

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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri May 29, 2020 1:40 pm

Chug..Been stranded in NRT more times than I can count. It does rather well with loads. Hope it sticks.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri May 29, 2020 2:48 pm

Delta flight attendants allegedly received a memo yesterday warning them that the PDX base may close and they would be relocated to other west coast bases. Not a good sign for the return of PDX-AMS/HND/LHR.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri May 29, 2020 4:34 pm

TransWorldOne wrote:
Delta flight attendants allegedly received a memo yesterday warning them that the PDX base may close and they would be relocated to other west coast bases. Not a good sign for the return of PDX-AMS/HND/LHR.


Possibly, but I'd be more inclined to think it's a cost-cutting measure to reduce the number of crew bases. AMS and HND will probably resume at some point, but with crew based in other stations and no longer PDX, if proven true.

I don't see LHR coming back for DL for a long time, if ever. Not with BA starting it.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri May 29, 2020 7:06 pm

DeltaPSCFlyer wrote:
TransWorldOne wrote:
Delta flight attendants allegedly received a memo yesterday warning them that the PDX base may close and they would be relocated to other west coast bases. Not a good sign for the return of PDX-AMS/HND/LHR.


Possibly, but I'd be more inclined to think it's a cost-cutting measure to reduce the number of crew bases. AMS and HND will probably resume at some point, but with crew based in other stations and no longer PDX, if proven true.

I don't see LHR coming back for DL for a long time, if ever. Not with BA starting it.


Portland is actually a satellite base for DL flight attendants and saves DL money by not having to RON crews from other bases in PDX. I'm much more inclined to think that DL doesn't plan to resume international flights from PDX for the foreseeable future.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun May 31, 2020 2:24 pm

From this morning's OAG thread -

**FI KEF-PDX JUN 0.7>0[0.7] JUL 0.7>0[0.9] AUG 0.7>0[0.9] SEP 0.6>0[0.5] OCT 0.4>0[0.4

Looks like Icelandair is not coming back this summer.

Anyone know if Condor is still going to operate at PDX this summer?
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun May 31, 2020 2:34 pm

midway7 wrote:
From this morning's OAG thread -

**FI KEF-PDX JUN 0.7>0[0.7] JUL 0.7>0[0.9] AUG 0.7>0[0.9] SEP 0.6>0[0.5] OCT 0.4>0[0.4

Looks like Icelandair is not coming back this summer.

Anyone know if Condor is still going to operate at PDX this summer?


From the OAG:

DE FRA-PDX JUL 0.7>0[0.7] AUG 0.7>0[0.7] SEP 0.6>0[0.7] OCT 0.2>0[0]
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun May 31, 2020 6:10 pm

TransWorldOne wrote:
Delta flight attendants allegedly received a memo yesterday warning them that the PDX base may close and they would be relocated to other west coast bases. Not a good sign for the return of PDX-AMS/HND/LHR.


Time will tell. Interestingly PDX-LHR on DL is already available for booking for next year starting April 24, 2021. Daily on the 763 (downgauage from the expected refurbished 764 that was to begin this year). If DL does intend on maintaining it PDX-Europe capacity for next year, I feel this aircraft would be better allocated to PDX-CDG instead, since BA will be starting PDX-LHR.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun May 31, 2020 6:36 pm

5/31 OAG: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1446987

AS AUS-PDX JUN 0.8>0.6[1.0]
AS DFW-PDX JUN 0.8>0.6[1.0]
AS EWR-PDX JUN 0.8>0.6[1.0]
AS JFK-PDX JUN 0.8>0.6[1.0]
AS ORD-PDX JUN 1.0>0.7[1.5]
AS PDX-SEA JUN 10>11[18]
AS LAX-RDM JUN 0.8>0.6[0]

B6 BOS-PDX JUL 1.8>0.6[1.9]
B6 JFK-PDX JUL 1.0>0.4[1.0]
B6 LGB-PDX JUL 1.0>0[1.0]

DE FRA-PDX JUL 0.7>0[0.7] AUG 0.7>0[0.7] SEP 0.6>0[0.7] OCT 0.2>0[0]

F9 DEN-PDX JUL 1.7>1.2[1.7]

FI KEF-PDX JUN 0.7>0[0.7] JUL 0.7>0[0.9] AUG 0.7>0[0.9] SEP 0.6>0[0.5] OCT 0.4>0[0.4]

G4 LAS-MFR JUL 0.5>0.3[0.4]
G4 LAX-MFR JUL 0.5>0.3[0.5]

NK LAS-PDX JUL 3>2.0[3]

SY BNA-PDX JUL 0.6>0[0.5]
SY PDX-STL JUL 0.3>0[0.3]

Partial January
WN DEN-PDX JAN 0>0.6[4]
WN LAS-PDX DEC 0>3[2] JAN 0>0.4[3]
WN MDW-PDX NOV 0>1.0[1.1] DEC 0>1.0[1.2]
WN OAK-PDX NOV 0>4[5] DEC 0>4[6] JAN 0>0.5[5]
WN PDX-PHX JAN 0>0.6[3]
WN PDX-SJC DEC 0>4[5] JAN 0>0.6[5]
WN PDX-SMF NOV 0>4[5] DEC 0>4[5] JAN 0>0.5[5]
WN PDX-STL NOV 0>1.0[0.9] DEC 0>1.0[0.9]

Y4 GDL-PDX JUN 0.9>0.6[0.8]
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun May 31, 2020 7:07 pm

midway7 wrote:
From this morning's OAG thread -

**FI KEF-PDX JUN 0.7>0[0.7] JUL 0.7>0[0.9] AUG 0.7>0[0.9] SEP 0.6>0[0.5] OCT 0.4>0[0.4

Looks like Icelandair is not coming back this summer.

Anyone know if Condor is still going to operate at PDX this summer?


My hunch is that in 2021, PDX will have the following international routes:

Delta: AMS, HND
Icelandair: KEF (summer seasonal)
British Airways: LHR
Volaris: GDL
Air Canada: YVR, YYC, YYZ (summer seasonal)

I don't think we see Delta back to London, and considering the financial state of Condor, it's a crap shoot. That said, it would be nice to see LH fill the void, but with shrinking fleets industry wide, PDX to FRA on LH won't likely be a priority. But, I think the days of just a PDX-YVR route to maintain international airport status are far behind us, and at the very, very least, PDX will always be connected to Asia and Europe in some way.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Jun 05, 2020 1:21 am

TransWorldOne wrote:
Delta flight attendants allegedly received a memo yesterday warning them that the PDX base may close and they would be relocated to other west coast bases. Not a good sign for the return of PDX-AMS/HND/LHR.


Wow, if true, a real loss for our airline services, because you are correct PDX crews operate all International flights in/out of PDX & select domestic locations. Delta has already stated they'll be a leaner operation coming through this, I'd expect non-hub flying will be on the block, just for efficiencies sake. The financials for these flights work because of the domicile & overnight costs, will they with those expenses added in?

DeltaPSCFlyer wrote:
TransWorldOne wrote:
Delta flight attendants allegedly received a memo yesterday warning them that the PDX base may close and they would be relocated to other west coast bases. Not a good sign for the return of PDX-AMS/HND/LHR.


Possibly, but I'd be more inclined to think it's a cost-cutting measure to reduce the number of crew bases. AMS and HND will probably resume at some point, but with crew based in other stations and no longer PDX, if proven true.

I don't see LHR coming back for DL for a long time, if ever. Not with BA starting it.


Agreed, if BA is going to offer year round service on a superior aircraft, DL won't have hopes of creating a premium by being the sole operator on the route & BA has proven they'll stimulate demand by offering great rates, even in the peak season.

AS737MAX wrote:
5/31 OAG: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1446987

AS PDX-SEA JUN 10>11[18]
AS LAX-RDM JUN 0.8>0.6[0]

B6 BOS-PDX JUL 1.8>0.6[1.9]
B6 JFK-PDX JUL 1.0>0.4[1.0]
B6 LGB-PDX JUL 1.0>0[1.0]

DE FRA-PDX JUL 0.7>0[0.7] AUG 0.7>0[0.7] SEP 0.6>0[0.7] OCT 0.2>0[0]

FI KEF-PDX JUN 0.7>0[0.7] JUL 0.7>0[0.9] AUG 0.7>0[0.9] SEP 0.6>0[0.5] OCT 0.4>0[0.4]

NK LAS-PDX JUL 3>2.0[3]

SY BNA-PDX JUL 0.6>0[0.5]
SY PDX-STL JUL 0.3>0[0.3]


I thought both NK & B6 got waivers to stop serving PDX through the summer? It looks like RDM-LAXX & SFO will come back, but not SAN. I just moved here & enjoy the n/s options.
707 717 720 727-1/2 737-1/2/3/4/5/6/7/8/9 747-1/2/3/4 757-2/3 767-2/3/4 777-2/3 DC8 DC9 MD80/2/7/8 D10-1/3/4 M11 L10-1/2/5 A300/310/320
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Jun 05, 2020 2:30 am

Icelandair and Condor will not be coming at all to PDX in 2020.
RWA380 wrote:
TransWorldOne wrote:
Delta flight attendants allegedly received a memo yesterday warning them that the PDX base may close and they would be relocated to other west coast bases. Not a good sign for the return of PDX-AMS/HND/LHR.


Wow, if true, a real loss for our airline services, because you are correct PDX crews operate all International flights in/out of PDX & select domestic locations. Delta has already stated they'll be a leaner operation coming through this, I'd expect non-hub flying will be on the block, just for efficiencies sake. The financials for these flights work because of the domicile & overnight costs, will they with those expenses added in?

DeltaPSCFlyer wrote:
TransWorldOne wrote:
Delta flight attendants allegedly received a memo yesterday warning them that the PDX base may close and they would be relocated to other west coast bases. Not a good sign for the return of PDX-AMS/HND/LHR.


Possibly, but I'd be more inclined to think it's a cost-cutting measure to reduce the number of crew bases. AMS and HND will probably resume at some point, but with crew based in other stations and no longer PDX, if proven true.

I don't see LHR coming back for DL for a long time, if ever. Not with BA starting it.


Agreed, if BA is going to offer year round service on a superior aircraft, DL won't have hopes of creating a premium by being the sole operator on the route & BA has proven they'll stimulate demand by offering great rates, even in the peak season.

AS737MAX wrote:
5/31 OAG: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1446987

AS PDX-SEA JUN 10>11[18]
AS LAX-RDM JUN 0.8>0.6[0]

B6 BOS-PDX JUL 1.8>0.6[1.9]
B6 JFK-PDX JUL 1.0>0.4[1.0]
B6 LGB-PDX JUL 1.0>0[1.0]

DE FRA-PDX JUL 0.7>0[0.7] AUG 0.7>0[0.7] SEP 0.6>0[0.7] OCT 0.2>0[0]

FI KEF-PDX JUN 0.7>0[0.7] JUL 0.7>0[0.9] AUG 0.7>0[0.9] SEP 0.6>0[0.5] OCT 0.4>0[0.4]

NK LAS-PDX JUL 3>2.0[3]

SY BNA-PDX JUL 0.6>0[0.5]
SY PDX-STL JUL 0.3>0[0.3]


I thought both NK & B6 got waivers to stop serving PDX through the summer? It looks like RDM-LAXX & SFO will come back, but not SAN. I just moved here & enjoy the n/s options.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Jun 07, 2020 7:11 pm

6/7 OAG: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1447299

4B PDT-PDX SEP 0.1>4[3] OCT 0>3[4] JAN 0>0.4[3]

AA DFW-PDX JUL 5>3[5]
AA LAX-PDX JUL 0.8>0[3]
AA ORD-PDX JUL 1.7>1.4[1.9]
AA PDX-PHX JUL 3>1.8[3]
AA EUG-LAX JUL 1.6>0[2]
AA LAX-RDM JUL 0.8>0[1.7]
AA MFR-PHX JUL 1.8>1.0[1.0]

AC PDX-YVR AUG 4>3[4]

AS ABQ-PDX JUL 1.0>0[1.0]
AS ANC-PDX JUL 4>2[4]
AS AUS-PDX JUL 2>1.0[1.0]
AS BOI-PDX JUL 9>4[8]
AS BOS-PDX JUL 2>0[2]
AS BUR-PDX JUL 2>1.0[3] NOV 2>3[2] DEC 2>3[2] JAN 2>3[2] FEB 2>3[2] MAR 2>3[2]
AS DAL-PDX JUL 3>0[1.9]
AS DCA-PDX JUL 1.0>0[1.0]
AS EUG-PDX JUL 2>0[3]
AS EUG-SEA JUL 5>4[4]
AS EWR-PDX JUL 1.0>0[1.0]
AS FAT-PDX JUL 2>1.0[2]
AS GEG-PDX JUL 8>4[9]
AS JFK-PDX JUL 1.0>0[1.0]
AS KOA-PDX JUL 0.6>0[0]
AS LAS-PDX JUL 4>3[4]
AS LAX-PDX JUL 6>4[8] NOV 8>10[7] DEC 8>10[7] JAN 8>10[7] FEB 8>10[7] MAR 8>10[7]
AS LIH-PDX JUL 0.4>0[0]
AS MCI-PDX JUL 1.0>0[1.0]
AS MFR-PDX JUL 6>3[6]
AS MSP-PDX JUL 1.0>0[1.0]
AS OAK-PDX JUL 3>1.0[3]
AS OGG-PDX JUL 2>1.0[2]
AS OMA-PDX JUL 1.0>0[1.0]
AS ONT-PDX NOV 2>3[2] DEC 2>3[2] JAN 2>3[1.9] FEB 2>3[1.8] MAR 2>3[1.9]
AS ORD-PDX JUL 2>1.0[2]
AS PDX-RDM JUL 4>2[5]
AS PDX-RNO JUL 4>2[4]
AS PDX-SAN SEP 4>6[4] OCT 4>6[4] NOV 4>6[4] DEC 4>6[4] JAN 4>6[4] FEB 4>6[4] MAR 4>6[4]
AS PDX-SEA JUL 12>15[18]
AS PDX-SFO JUL 8>5[9]
AS PDX-SJC JUL 5>3[5]
AS PDX-SLC JUL 4>2[3]
AS PDX-SMF JUL 4>2[4]
AS PDX-SNA JUL 4>3[4]
AS PDX-STS JUL 2>1.0[2]
AS PDX-YVR JUL 2>1.0[2]
AS RDM-SEA JUL 5>3[5]
AS PSC-SEA JUL 7>4[6]

DL HND-PDX JUL 1.0>0[0] AUG 1.0>0[0] SEP 1.0>0[0] OCT 1.0>0.3[0]
DL LAX-PDX JUL 2.0>3[5]

UA DEN-PDX JUL 5>2.0[5]
UA EWR-PDX JUL 1.7>0[2]
UA IAD-PDX JUL 0.8>0[1.0]
UA IAH-PDX JUL 3>0.8[3]
UA ORD-PDX JUL 3>0.7[4]
UA PDX-SFO JUL 7>2[8]
UA DEN-EUG JUL 3>2[3]
UA EUG-LAX JUL 1.7>0[1.9]
UA EUG-ORD JUL 0.8>0[1.0]
UA EUG-SFO JUL 4>1.9[4]
UA DEN-RDM JUL 3>1.8[3]
UA LAX-RDM JUL 1.7>0[1.0]
UA ORD-RDM JUL 0.8>0[1.0]
UA RDM-SFO JUL 5>1.9[5]
UA DEN-MFR JUL 3>1.8[3]
UA LAX-MFR JUL 1.7>0[2]
UA MFR-SFO JUL 4>1.9[4]
UA DEN-PSC JUL 2>1.8[3]
UA ORD-PSC JUL 0.8>0[0]
UA PSC-SFO JUL 1.7>0[1.0]
UA ACV-DEN JUL 0.8>0[1.0]
UA ACV-LAX JUL 1.7>0.8[2]
UA ACV-SFO JUL 3>2.0[3]
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Jun 07, 2020 7:16 pm

AS737MAX wrote:

DL HND-PDX JUL 1.0>0[0] AUG 1.0>0[0] SEP 1.0>0[0] OCT 1.0>0.3[0]


I wonder if this flight will ever get off the ground? Might make more financial sense for DL to move the frame to PDX-ICN instead where there is the feed from the KE/DL JV.

And then let JAL swoop in (with its feed from AS) to fill the PDX-Japan gap.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Jun 07, 2020 7:19 pm

ANA787 wrote:
AS737MAX wrote:

DL HND-PDX JUL 1.0>0[0] AUG 1.0>0[0] SEP 1.0>0[0] OCT 1.0>0.3[0]


I wonder if this flight will ever get off the ground? Might make more financial sense for DL to move the frame to PDX-ICN instead where there is the feed from the KE/DL JV.

And then let JAL swoop in (with its feed from AS) to fill the PDX-Japan gap.


Kind of what I've been thinking too. Obviously the process for the HND Increase/Slot 'Swaps' started way before COVID. Never read much into the DOT agreements but I wonder if anything stipulates operation.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Jun 08, 2020 12:57 am

ANA787 wrote:
AS737MAX wrote:

DL HND-PDX JUL 1.0>0[0] AUG 1.0>0[0] SEP 1.0>0[0] OCT 1.0>0.3[0]


I wonder if this flight will ever get off the ground? Might make more financial sense for DL to move the frame to PDX-ICN instead where there is the feed from the KE/DL JV.

And then let JAL swoop in (with its feed from AS) to fill the PDX-Japan gap.


The route award is not changeable & KE/DL JV have stated in the recent past, that even if KE dedicated a 787-9 for PDX flying, they do not currently have an available slot pair at ICN for another Intl flight. It would require DL to divest itself of a highly prized Intl. slot pair at HND that are rare indeed. IIRC, the HND awards all came with the understanding no swapping destinations after the award is given.

What you're asking then, is If DL wants to dump the only PDX-HND slot pair in existence less than a year after it's award? Probably not, I'd expect DL retains it & takes a few years to watch if the markets that drive this flight rebound.

I know several have stated (myself included) JL should come into PDX with their 787-8's, but remember two things JL's low cost spin off ZG or ZipAir is flying already & they have service to BKK. They plan ICN & HNL, next is PDX. Secondly JL has stated they would not compete in any market, except where a division is needed like HNL & ZG, allows JL to offer super budget vacations to HNL on a high density layout 787-8.
707 717 720 727-1/2 737-1/2/3/4/5/6/7/8/9 747-1/2/3/4 757-2/3 767-2/3/4 777-2/3 DC8 DC9 MD80/2/7/8 D10-1/3/4 M11 L10-1/2/5 A300/310/320
AA AC AQ AS BA BD BN CO CS DL EA EZ HA HG HP KL KN MP MW NK NW OZ PA PS QX RC RH RW SA TG TW UA US VS WA WC WN WP YS 8M
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Jun 08, 2020 6:25 am

Flightradar24 has a Delta A359 (DL8962) inbound to PDX from Hill AFB Utah (HIF)
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Jun 08, 2020 7:10 am

flyoregon wrote:
Flightradar24 has a Delta A359 (DL8962) inbound to PDX from Hill AFB Utah (HIF)


Looks like it had been cancelled early Saturday morning: https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL ... /KHIF/KPDX. Strange.

Edit: and is scheduled as DL8821 PDX-DTW tomorrow: https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL8821
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Jun 08, 2020 9:53 pm

ImageIMG_0364 by Jordan T. Roche, on Flickr

Delta 8821 departing earlier for Detroit.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:30 pm

Interested to see what DL plans to do with PDX-LHR. Last week the flight was completely removed for 2021. Now its been added back- daily starting April 24, 2021. Also now available for booking on KLM.com/air france/virgin atlantic. Perhaps its been added to see how forward bookings go. I honestly don't expect it to stick, but perhaps to take on BA. Still think it would make more sense to start PDX-CDG instead.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:51 pm

mbk26 wrote:
Hey folks, new guy on the block. Has anyone heard of anything about Hawaiian increasing frequency for the summer? Being new I have zero credibility, but I was told this by someone out at the PoP. I’m wondering if anybody else has heard something or it’s just a rumor. If true, this would be a great little add.


Highly unlikely; the Governor of Hawai'i just extended the 14-day quarantine period for all incoming travelers to the island. Until that is lifted, demand will be essentially non-existent. Summer 2020 in Hawai'i is basically gone at this point. Sad.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Jun 13, 2020 1:20 am

ANA787 wrote:
Glad the PDX-DEN gap has finally been filled by AS.


There are a few more nonstop routes such as PDX-FLL, PDX-IND, PDX-BNA, PDX-RDU, PDX-SAT, and PDX-TPA that could be added by AS out of PDX once demand for air travel out of PDX recovers with FLL, IND, BNA, RDU, SAT, and TPA being 6 of the top destinations that AS doesn't currently serve nonstop from PDX.

While DL still serves ATL nonstop from PDX, AS re-adding PDX-ATL nonstop service might also be a possibility with ATL being one of the top destinations that AS doesn't currently serve nonstop from PDX.

AS adding PDX-IAH nonstop service or WN extending PDX-HOU nonstop service from seasonal to year-round are possibilities with UA currently being the only airline having year-round nonstop service to Houston from PDX.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Jun 13, 2020 1:58 am

While AS has ramped up service at PDX lately, what happened to the ORD flight? It ran for like 2 days, then gone. Haven’t seen it scheduled this week at all. JFK and EWR were supposed to re-start as well. Has AS backtracked on the re-start of any flights trans-continental?
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Jun 13, 2020 2:44 am

AS has been removing some of their parked planes from the cross runway here. It is nice to see this happening.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Jun 15, 2020 4:46 am

6/14 OAG: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1447605

B6 JFK-PDX JAN 0.1>0.6[0.7]
B6 LGB-PDX JAN 0.1>1.0[1.0] FEB 0>0.4[1.0]

Quietest report in weeks.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Jun 15, 2020 2:43 pm

DeltaPSCFlyer wrote:
mbk26 wrote:
Hey folks, new guy on the block. Has anyone heard of anything about Hawaiian increasing frequency for the summer? Being new I have zero credibility, but I was told this by someone out at the PoP. I’m wondering if anybody else has heard something or it’s just a rumor. If true, this would be a great little add.


Highly unlikely; the Governor of Hawai'i just extended the 14-day quarantine period for all incoming travelers to the island. Until that is lifted, demand will be essentially non-existent. Summer 2020 in Hawai'i is basically gone at this point. Sad.



I heard this prior to the COVID fallout, yeah it's most likely not happening. Agreed, most of AS service is canceled minus HNL, SY canceled, waiting to see what HA will do.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Jun 16, 2020 4:02 pm

Anyone know if Western Global is still doing the cargo flights on behalf of ANA from Tokyo? Seeing an Atlas Air 744 inbound from NRT right now wondering if Atlas is replacing WGA
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Jun 16, 2020 10:52 pm

WGA is no longer coming here. Atlas is not replacing WGA. Atlas is flying this flight on behalf of NCA.

flyoregon wrote:
Anyone know if Western Global is still doing the cargo flights on behalf of ANA from Tokyo? Seeing an Atlas Air 744 inbound from NRT right now wondering if Atlas is replacing WGA
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Jun 18, 2020 2:36 pm

JetBlue is starting service to FLL Oct 1, 2X Weekly. Citing "new domestic routes to serve customers in markets where leisure and VFR (visiting friends and relatives) travel is showing some signs of strength"

Nice add! Not sure how long this lasts, but I hope it sticks.

https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/ ... 005531/en/
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Jun 18, 2020 11:05 pm

Frontier, Jet Blue and Spirit will be increasing frequency here in July !
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Jun 19, 2020 7:47 am

mbk26 wrote:
JetBlue is starting service to FLL Oct 1, 2X Weekly. Citing "new domestic routes to serve customers in markets where leisure and VFR (visiting friends and relatives) travel is showing some signs of strength"

Nice add! Not sure how long this lasts, but I hope it sticks.

https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/ ... 005531/en/


Looks like it operates Thursdays and Sundays.

Outbound, JetBlue 2117: Depart PDX 11:30pm, Arrive FLL 8:40am+1 (Blocked at 6h10m)
Inbound, JetBlue 2518: Depart FLL 7:00pm, Arrive PDX 10:40pm (Blocked at 6h40m)
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Jun 19, 2020 4:51 pm

mbk26 wrote:
JetBlue is starting service to FLL Oct 1, 2X Weekly. Citing "new domestic routes to serve customers in markets where leisure and VFR (visiting friends and relatives) travel is showing some signs of strength"

Nice add! Not sure how long this lasts, but I hope it sticks.

https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/ ... 005531/en/


AS adding PDX-FLL nonstop service is a possibility with (a) AS having a FF base in the PDX market and (b) AS having connecting feed from Alaska, Hawaii, and the Pacific Northwest in addition to O&D to support PDX-FLL nonstop service on AS.

AS could also add nonstop service to ATL, DTW, IAH, PHL, STL, and IAD out of PDX in order to better compete against other airlines that serve these destinations nonstop from PDX.

I had also previously mentioned AS adding PDX-IND/RDU nonstop service as a possibility with IND and RDU both being two of the top destinations without any nonstop service out of PDX.

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