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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Sep 08, 2020 11:39 pm

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I'm assuming that LF CEC-OAK reduction to 0.5 in November is a filing error on Contour's part. While their website shows no flights after 15NOV, they were just awarded another 2 years of AEAS (subsidy), and that requires 7 flights/week. Hopefully LF will reload it. That it shows OCT 0>1.0 [0] NOV 0> .... must mean it's a schedule extension due to the AEAS renewal, as it is continuing service we have now.

In other news, I did see a news report online today stating UA will be restoring a lot of service (I guess November or later), and LAX-MFR/RDM/EUG was mentioned specifically.


I believe the .5 indicates a once daily service, for 1/2 of the month. I may be wrong, but it makes sense to me at least. Hope you're well down there, we moved to Redmond in May.
But from 4B that PDT will be devoid of any commercial service once they leave? Has the contract been completed, or is Boutique just pulling out of Oregon for financial reasons?
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Sep 09, 2020 12:29 am

That's how I take it, and looking at availability in LF's website bears that out.
There were a lot of 0's in Boutique's section of Enilria's report, which made me wonder if they had some filing issues. If not, financial issues? PDT is subsidized -right?- so it should have a replacement if 4B is pulling out. (OF course CEC has gone with no service twice now, in between OO-KS and KS-LF gaps, so I hope PDT's gap, if any, would be brief.)

Dark as night down here since before 3:00pm due to smoke from fires south and east. Eerie red glow; just like a photographer's dark room. We'll see if LF comes up from OAK tonight.
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:01 am

Well crap. We're on evacuation stand-by Level 1 (lowest... Level 3 is Grab and Go), about 8 miles NW of CEC proper. (Hwy 199 is closed from SR 197/Hiouchi CA to Cave Junction OR, with evacuations on both sides of the state line.) While CEC is in the fog tonight, there is no sea breeze to blow the winds back inland, and the fire on itself.
Meanwhile, with the Ashland and Medford area fires, a friend in Talent Oregon said it burned to within 2 blocks of his house. Neighboring Phoenix OR s 75% burned out. It's burning up toward the south end of Medford.
Fog and smoke mixed made LF cancel inbound tonight. This is supposed to be the best few weeks of summer for the Del Norte/Curry counties coast.

Remember just a season or two ago, the smoke from N. Cal blew up over MFR and obscured the approach so only the Q400s were able to shoot the short approach. No jets for several days.
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:56 am

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Well crap. We're on evacuation stand-by Level 1 (lowest... Level 3 is Grab and Go), about 8 miles NW of CEC proper. (Hwy 199 is closed from SR 197/Hiouchi CA to Cave Junction OR, with evacuations on both sides of the state line.) While CEC is in the fog tonight, there is no sea breeze to blow the winds back inland, and the fire on itself.
Meanwhile, with the Ashland and Medford area fires, a friend in Talent Oregon said it burned to within 2 blocks of his house. Neighboring Phoenix OR s 75% burned out. It's burning up toward the south end of Medford.
Fog and smoke mixed made LF cancel inbound tonight. This is supposed to be the best few weeks of summer for the Del Norte/Curry counties coast.

Remember just a season or two ago, the smoke from N. Cal blew up over MFR and obscured the approach so only the Q400s were able to shoot the short approach. No jets for several days.


Just went through Crescent City and up 199 back in to Oregon week of the 24th. Can't imagine what things are like now along that corridor. Can't imagine what Phoenix and Talent look like either...same goes for OR-22 and the Santiam Valley east of Salem. Lived in Beaverton for my entire life and things have never been this bad all at once.

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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Sep 15, 2020 6:58 pm

9/15 OAG: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1451783

4B PDT-PDX DEC 1.1>0.4[3]

AA LAX-PDX NOV 1.7>2[3] JAN 3>1.7[3]

DL EUG-SLC NOV 2>3[2] DEC 2>3[1.9] JAN 2.0>3[2] FEB 2>3[2] MAR 1.9>3[1.7] APR 2>3[2] MAY 2>3[1.9] JUN 2>3[1.0]
DL RDM-SLC NOV 2>3[2] DEC 2>3[1.9] JAN 2.0>3[2.0] FEB 2>3[2] MAR 2>3[1.7] APR 2>3[2] MAY 2>3[1.8] JUN 2>3[1.0]
DL MFR-SEA NOV 2>3[3] DEC 2.0>3[2.0] JAN 2>3[1.9] FEB 1.9>3[2] MAR 2.0>3[1.9] APR 2>3[3] MAY 2>3[3] JUN 2>3[1.5]
DL MFR-SLC NOV 2>3[2] DEC 2>3[1.9] JAN 2.0>3[2] FEB 2>3[2] MAR 2>3[1.7] APR 2>3[2] MAY 2>3[1.9] JUN 2>3[1.0]

NK LAS-PDX FEB 0.5>1.9[1.9] MAR 0>2[1.7] APR 0>0.9[2]

WS PDX-YYC OCT 0.9>0[0.9]
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Sep 22, 2020 6:23 pm

9/22 OAG: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1452071

4B PDT-PDX NOV 2>0.9[4]

AC PDX-YVR OCT 3>0.6[4]
AC PDX-YYC OCT 1.0>0[0.8]

AS AUS-PDX OCT 0.8>0[0.9]
AS GEG-PDX OCT 4>3[5]
AS HNL-PDX OCT 0.9>0[1.0]
AS MSO-PDX OCT 0.9>0[1.0]
AS OGG-PDX OCT 0.9>0[1.3]

G4 EUG-LAS NOV 0.3>0.1[0.3]
G4 EUG-LAX DEC 0.5>0.3[0.4]
G4 EUG-OAK DEC 0.4>0.1[0.5]
G4 EUG-PSP DEC 0.4>0.2[0]
G4 LAS-MFR NOV 0.5>0.3[0.3] DEC 0.4>0.2[0.3]
G4 LAX-MFR DEC 0.4>0.2[0.4]
G4 LAS-RDM NOV 0.3>0.1[0.3]

HA OGG-PDX OCT 1.0>0.6[1.0]

UA PDX-SFO OCT 4>3[7]
UA EUG-SFO OCT 3>2.0[3]
UA MFR-SFO OCT 2>1.9[4]
UA LAX-RDM OCT 0.7>0[1.0]
UA ACV-SFO OCT 1.6>1.2[3]
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Sep 23, 2020 6:56 am

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9/22 OAG: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1452071

G4 LAS-RDM NOV 0.3>0.1[0.3]

UA LAX-RDM OCT 0.7>0[1.0]


Since this is now home, are we losing G4 again? I liked hearing their MD-80's roaring out of our little town, now the A-320's are quieter. We have lived here twice & this time QX doesn't mean a Q-400 now we get cool E-175 jets in the mix & n/s to SAN, LAX & SFO in addition to the normal SEA & PDX. It also looks like UA flinches & RDM-LAX is just AS, as AA & now UA are gone.
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Sep 25, 2020 3:18 pm

HA here has been reduced to 4 X a week.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Sep 25, 2020 4:33 pm

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HA here has been reduced to 4 X a week.


Understandable. Last weeks OAG thread showed HA starting back up OGG next month. Wonder if that really happens, or if the quarantine really ends in a few weeks.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Sep 29, 2020 6:32 pm

9/29 OAG: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1452325

AS MFR-PDX OCT 1.8>1.2[3]
AS PDX-RDM OCT 1.9>1.3[3]

B6 BOS-PDX MAY 0>2[0] JUN 0>1.1[0]
B6 FLL-PDX NOV 0.2>0[0] MAY 0>0.3[0]
B6 JFK-PDX NOV 0.9>0.3[0.6] MAY 0>1.0[0.7] JUN 0>0.5[0]

DL JFK-PDX NOV 1.5>0.7[1.7]
DL PDX-SEA NOV 6>5[8]
DL PDX-SLC NOV 5>4[6]
DL MSP-PSC NOV 1.8>1.0[1.9]

HA HNL-PDX OCT 0.8>0.6[1.0]
HA OGG-PDX OCT 0.6>0[1.0]

SY MSP-PDX NOV 0.7>0.5[0.7]
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Oct 06, 2020 6:06 am

Looks like 4B is flying PDX-RDM-PDX starting this month, easy connections to PDT flights. Twice a day service & fares are 117-127 o/w on the low end. QX flies twice daily as well, both fights are back to the Q-400's. I wonder what is the reason they decided RDM? I'm happy in fact, I have two carriers to fly when I need to see certain DR's but I am sure it'll only be fare that puts me on 4B.
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Oct 06, 2020 6:35 am

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Looks like 4B is flying PDX-RDM-PDX starting this month, easy connections to PDT flights. Twice a day service & fares are 117-127 o/w on the low end. QX flies twice daily as well, both fights are back to the Q-400's. I wonder what is the reason they decided RDM? I'm happy in fact, I have two carriers to fly when I need to see certain DR's but I am sure it'll only be fare that puts me on 4B.


Interesting. I would think Bend would have been a better choice and would have been really popular. But, with Alaska/QX being the only carrier on the route since UA dropped it, surely there’s some extra room on the route, especially with the UA partnership 4B has. I wouldn’t be surprised to see them start OTH at some point and I know there was talk about ONP being added, but that route has always had a hard time maintaining service. I think the PC-12 is a bit too much airplane for that route.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Oct 06, 2020 7:05 pm

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Looks like 4B is flying PDX-RDM-PDX starting this month, easy connections to PDT flights. Twice a day service & fares are 117-127 o/w on the low end. QX flies twice daily as well, both fights are back to the Q-400's. I wonder what is the reason they decided RDM? I'm happy in fact, I have two carriers to fly when I need to see certain DR's but I am sure it'll only be fare that puts me on 4B.


Interesting. I would think Bend would have been a better choice and would have been really popular. But, with Alaska/QX being the only carrier on the route since UA dropped it, surely there’s some extra room on the route, especially with the UA partnership 4B has. I wouldn’t be surprised to see them start OTH at some point and I know there was talk about ONP being added, but that route has always had a hard time maintaining service. I think the PC-12 is a bit too much airplane for that route.


From this weeks OAG thread, shows a little more about 4B & PDX. Is PDT now gone for good? RDM makes sense with the 4,000-5,000 foot mountain passes in between PDX. It's the shortest route in the State, it's AAG;s 10th shortest route. I don't know these things work, but they may need to keep that plane here & RDM was the closest & air travel picks-up when passes are snow packed.

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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Oct 06, 2020 9:02 pm

10/6 OAG: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1452573

4B PDT-PDX DEC 0.4>0[3]
4B PDX-RDM NOV 0>1.5[0] DEC 0>1.5[0] JAN 0>1.5[0] FEB 0>1.5[0]

AA CLT-PDX NOV 1.0>0.4[1.0]
AA DFW-PDX NOV 5>3[5]
AA LAX-PDX NOV 2>0[2] DEC 1.8>2[3] JAN 1.7>2[3]
AA ORD-PDX NOV 1.9>0.7[1.9]
AA PDX-PHX NOV 4>1.9[4]

AS ANC-PDX NOV 2>1.0[2]
AS BIL-PDX NOV 1.4>1.0[1.4]
AS BOI-PDX NOV 6>4[6]
AS BOS-PDX NOV 0.7>0[0.7]
AS BUR-PDX NOV 1.6>1.0[1.6]
AS DAL-PDX NOV 1.1>0[1.1]
AS DCA-PDX NOV 0.4>0[0.4]
AS DEN-PDX NOV 1.4>1.0[1.4]
AS EUG-PDX NOV 0.7>0[0.7]
AS EWR-PDX NOV 0.4>0[0.4]
AS FAT-PDX NOV 1.4>1.0[1.4]
AS FCA-PDX NOV 0.4>0[0.4]
AS GEG-PDX NOV 5>4[5]
AS HNL-PDX NOV 1.0>0[1.0]
AS JFK-PDX NOV 0.4>0[0.4]
AS KOA-PDX NOV 0.7>0.2[0.7]
AS LAX-PDX NOV 6>4[6]
AS LIH-PDX NOV 0.6>0[0.6]
AS MFR-PDX NOV 3>1.9[3]
AS MSP-PDX NOV 0.4>0[0.4]
AS OAK-PDX NOV 1.7>1.0[1.7]
AS OGG-PDX NOV 1.4>0.7[1.4]
AS ONT-PDX NOV 1.7>1.0[1.7]
AS ORD-PDX NOV 1.4>1.0[1.4]
AS PAE-PDX NOV 0.7>0[0.7]
AS PDX-RDM NOV 3>1.8[3]
AS PDX-RNO NOV 3>1.9[3]
AS PDX-SBP NOV 0.4>0[0.4]
AS PDX-SEA NOV 17>16[17]
AS PDX-SFO NOV 6>4[6]
AS PDX-SJC NOV 3>1.9[3]
AS PDX-SLC NOV 3>1.8[3]
AS PDX-SMF NOV 3>2.0[3]
AS PDX-STS NOV 1.4>1.0[1.4]
AS PDX-YVR NOV 0.4>0[0.4]

G4 AZA-EUG FEB 0.1>0.3[0.3] MAR 0>0.5[0.3]
G4 EUG-LAS MAR 0>0.2[0.3]
G4 EUG-LAX MAR 0>0.4[0.3]
G4 EUG-OAK MAR 0>0.2[0.3]
G4 EUG-PSP MAR 0>0.2[0]
G4 AZA-PSC FEB 0.1>0.3[0.3] MAR 0>0.4[0.3] APR 0>0.3[0.5]

HA OGG-PDX NOV 1.0>0.2[1.0]

LF CEC-OAK NOV 0.5>0.7[0.5] DEC 0>0.6[0.9] JAN 0>0.9[1.0] FEB 0>1.0[1.1] MAR 0>1.0[0.9]

NK LAS-PDX NOV 2>1.9[2]

SY MSP-PDX JUN 0>1.0[0.7]

UA DEN-PDX NOV 5>3[5]
UA EWR-PDX NOV 2>0[2]
UA IAD-PDX NOV 1.0>0[1.0]
UA IAH-PDX NOV 3>1.0[3]
UA ORD-PDX NOV 4>0.8[4]
UA PDX-SFO NOV 7>3[7]
UA DEN-RDM NOV 3>1.8[3]
UA LAX-RDM NOV 1.0>0.7[1.0]
UA RDM-SFO NOV 4>1.8[4]
UA EUG-LAX NOV 2>0.8[2]
UA EUG-ORD NOV 1.0>0[1.0]
UA EUG-SFO NOV 4>1.7[4]
UA LAX-MFR NOV 2>0.8[2]
UA MFR-SFO NOV 4>1.8[4]
UA DEN-PSC NOV 3>1.9[3]
UA ORD-PSC NOV 1.0>0[1.0]
UA PSC-SFO NOV 1.9>0[1.9]
UA OTH-SFO NOV 1.0>0.6[1.0] DEC 1.0>0.4[0.6] JAN 1.0>0.4[0.8] FEB 1.0>0.3[0.8] MAR 1.0>0.4[0.6]
UA ACV-DEN NOV 1.0>0[1.0]
UA ACV-LAX NOV 2>0.8[2]
UA ACV-SFO NOV 3>1.7[3]

WN DEN-PDX NOV 4>3[4] DEC 5>2[4]
WN LAS-PDX NOV 2>1.9[2] DEC 3>1.9[3]
WN OAK-PDX DEC 4>3[5]
WN PDX-PHX NOV 3>1.4[3] DEC 4>1.3[4]
WN PDX-SJC NOV 3>1.8[3] DEC 4>1.2[4]
WN PDX-SMF NOV 3>2.0[3] DEC 4>1.7[4]
WN PDX-STL NOV 0.8>0.2[0.8] DEC 1.0>0.1[0.9]
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Oct 06, 2020 11:10 pm

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flyoregon wrote:
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Looks like 4B is flying PDX-RDM-PDX starting this month, easy connections to PDT flights. Twice a day service & fares are 117-127 o/w on the low end. QX flies twice daily as well, both fights are back to the Q-400's. I wonder what is the reason they decided RDM? I'm happy in fact, I have two carriers to fly when I need to see certain DR's but I am sure it'll only be fare that puts me on 4B.


Interesting. I would think Bend would have been a better choice and would have been really popular. But, with Alaska/QX being the only carrier on the route since UA dropped it, surely there’s some extra room on the route, especially with the UA partnership 4B has. I wouldn’t be surprised to see them start OTH at some point and I know there was talk about ONP being added, but that route has always had a hard time maintaining service. I think the PC-12 is a bit too much airplane for that route.


From this weeks OAG thread, shows a little more about 4B & PDX. Is PDT now gone for good? RDM makes sense with the 4,000-5,000 foot mountain passes in between PDX. It's the shortest route in the State, it's AAG;s 10th shortest route. I don't know these things work, but they may need to keep that plane here & RDM was the closest & air travel picks-up when passes are snow packed.

4B PDT-PDX DEC 0.4>0[3]
4B PDX-RDM NOV 0>1.5[0] DEC 0>1.5[0] JAN 0>1.5[0] FEB 0>1.5[0


PDT is still bookable on the Boutique website...I don’t think it’s going anywhere. I mentioned this on the OAG thread, but I flew PDT-PDX about a week and a half ago and it was a full flight...8 people! Boutique typically runs three flights a day on the route.

I’m a little surprised they picked RDM considering it is a competitive route, but they must see an opening there with AS reducing its frequency due to the pandemic. I would have expected OTH or LMT...both old QX Q200 routes with no competition to PDX that were dumped when the Q200 left the fleet (along with PDT).
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Oct 07, 2020 7:47 am

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Interesting. I would think Bend would have been a better choice and would have been really popular. But, with Alaska/QX being the only carrier on the route since UA dropped it, surely there’s some extra room on the route, especially with the UA partnership 4B has. I wouldn’t be surprised to see them start OTH at some point and I know there was talk about ONP being added, but that route has always had a hard time maintaining service. I think the PC-12 is a bit too much airplane for that route.


From this weeks OAG thread, shows a little more about 4B & PDX. Is PDT now gone for good? RDM makes sense with the 4,000-5,000 foot mountain passes in between PDX. It's the shortest route in the State, it's AAG;s 10th shortest route. I don't know these things work, but they may need to keep that plane here & RDM was the closest & air travel picks-up when passes are snow packed.

4B PDT-PDX DEC 0.4>0[3]
4B PDX-RDM NOV 0>1.5[0] DEC 0>1.5[0] JAN 0>1.5[0] FEB 0>1.5[0


PDT is still bookable on the Boutique website...I don’t think it’s going anywhere. I mentioned this on the OAG thread, but I flew PDT-PDX about a week and a half ago and it was a full flight...8 people! Boutique typically runs three flights a day on the route.

I’m a little surprised they picked RDM considering it is a competitive route, but they must see an opening there with AS reducing its frequency due to the pandemic. I would have expected OTH or LMT...both old QX Q200 routes with no competition to PDX that were dumped when the Q200 left the fleet (along with PDT).


Chugach hope you;ve been well lately, I fully believe you're right about PDT, I had heard it was able to hold it's own. As others speculated, maybe Boutique is looking at small city adds out of PDX?
I think RDM is a safe new market. to try. I know from my friends at AAG that local RDM-PDX tickets are a steady sell all winter, so a good effort will need to be made by 4B to advertise here.

I live in Terrebonne, 5 miles from Redmond & ten from the airport, no signs, no local TV blurbs that I have seen, going by the airport to check it out & see what gate they will use.

I could see several cities that are potential contenders: YKM, LMT, CEC are all a long drive in the winter from PDX, you will reach 4,000 foot passes or the gorge. Then cities like ONP, OTH, AST, OLM that are more easily driven,
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Oct 07, 2020 11:56 am

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I could see several cities that are potential contenders: YKM, LMT, CEC are all a long drive in the winter from PDX, you will reach 4,000 foot passes or the gorge. Then cities like ONP, OTH, AST, OLM that are more easily driven,


I don't have any traffic data, but of those cities I would think LMT checks the most boxes for to start service?
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Oct 08, 2020 10:38 pm

WN adding year-round PDX-HOU nonstop service might be a possibility with
(a) PDX-IAH/HOU currently lacking any nonstop competition with UA being the only airline currently serving Houston nonstop from PDX,
(b) WN recently making other adds out of HOU such as HOU-CVG/CLE/DTW/MIA/MSP/ONT/RNO/ICT nonstop service plus the return of HOU-RSW/GSP/SNA/TUS nonstop service,
(c) PDX being one of the top markets that currently lacks year-round nonstop service to HOU on WN, and
(d) additional connecting opportunities available through HOU on WN, especially with the recent HOU-MIA add.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Oct 09, 2020 7:12 pm

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Chugach wrote:
RWA380 wrote:

From this weeks OAG thread, shows a little more about 4B & PDX. Is PDT now gone for good? RDM makes sense with the 4,000-5,000 foot mountain passes in between PDX. It's the shortest route in the State, it's AAG;s 10th shortest route. I don't know these things work, but they may need to keep that plane here & RDM was the closest & air travel picks-up when passes are snow packed.

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PDT is still bookable on the Boutique website...I don’t think it’s going anywhere. I mentioned this on the OAG thread, but I flew PDT-PDX about a week and a half ago and it was a full flight...8 people! Boutique typically runs three flights a day on the route.

I’m a little surprised they picked RDM considering it is a competitive route, but they must see an opening there with AS reducing its frequency due to the pandemic. I would have expected OTH or LMT...both old QX Q200 routes with no competition to PDX that were dumped when the Q200 left the fleet (along with PDT).


Chugach hope you;ve been well lately, I fully believe you're right about PDT, I had heard it was able to hold it's own. As others speculated, maybe Boutique is looking at small city adds out of PDX?
I think RDM is a safe new market. to try. I know from my friends at AAG that local RDM-PDX tickets are a steady sell all winter, so a good effort will need to be made by 4B to advertise here.

I live in Terrebonne, 5 miles from Redmond & ten from the airport, no signs, no local TV blurbs that I have seen, going by the airport to check it out & see what gate they will use.

I could see several cities that are potential contenders: YKM, LMT, CEC are all a long drive in the winter from PDX, you will reach 4,000 foot passes or the gorge. Then cities like ONP, OTH, AST, OLM that are more easily driven,


I fully believe that Boutique is looking to expand more into non-EAS cities as they started Palm Springs on the 1st of October and I predict (I would put money on it) that Boutique will have more non-EAS cities on their route map in the future.

I also found a trip report from someone who flew the PDX-PDT route:

https://youtu.be/gm8lqlEvTW8

Looks like this YouTube channel focuses on smaller airlines and airport such as EAS cities.
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Oct 09, 2020 7:46 pm

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RWA380 wrote:
I could see several cities that are potential contenders: YKM, LMT, CEC are all a long drive in the winter from PDX, you will reach 4,000 foot passes or the gorge. Then cities like ONP, OTH, AST, OLM that are more easily driven,


I don't have any traffic data, but of those cities I would think LMT checks the most boxes for to start service?


Agreed, does LMT still have TSA? Since KS left there has been zero commercial service correct? They would need to deal with those costs of hiring & sending people for TSA training or relocate people.
Where YKM, CEC & OTH have that. Bend would have been the same issue, unless TSA people from RDM could work in Bend if they wanted.

SyracuseAvGeek wrote:
RWA380 wrote:
Chugach wrote:

PDT is still bookable on the Boutique website...I don’t think it’s going anywhere. I mentioned this on the OAG thread, but I flew PDT-PDX about a week and a half ago and it was a full flight...8 people! Boutique typically runs three flights a day on the route.

I’m a little surprised they picked RDM considering it is a competitive route, but they must see an opening there with AS reducing its frequency due to the pandemic. I would have expected OTH or LMT...both old QX Q200 routes with no competition to PDX that were dumped when the Q200 left the fleet (along with PDT).


Chugach hope you;ve been well lately, I fully believe you're right about PDT, I had heard it was able to hold it's own. As others speculated, maybe Boutique is looking at small city adds out of PDX?
I think RDM is a safe new market. to try. I know from my friends at AAG that local RDM-PDX tickets are a steady sell all winter, so a good effort will need to be made by 4B to advertise here.

I live in Terrebonne, 5 miles from Redmond & ten from the airport, no signs, no local TV blurbs that I have seen, going by the airport to check it out & see what gate they will use.

I could see several cities that are potential contenders: YKM, LMT, CEC are all a long drive in the winter from PDX, you will reach 4,000 foot passes or the gorge. Then cities like ONP, OTH, AST, OLM that are more easily driven,


I fully believe that Boutique is looking to expand more into non-EAS cities as they started Palm Springs on the 1st of October and I predict (I would put money on it) that Boutique will have more non-EAS cities on their route map in the future.

I also found a trip report from someone who flew the PDX-PDT route:

https://youtu.be/gm8lqlEvTW8

Looks like this YouTube channel focuses on smaller airlines and airport such as EAS cities.


I agree, I hope it's measured growth & not a big expansion.
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Oct 09, 2020 8:36 pm

RWA380 wrote:
NWAESC wrote:
RWA380 wrote:
I could see several cities that are potential contenders: YKM, LMT, CEC are all a long drive in the winter from PDX, you will reach 4,000 foot passes or the gorge. Then cities like ONP, OTH, AST, OLM that are more easily driven,


I don't have any traffic data, but of those cities I would think LMT checks the most boxes for to start service?


Agreed, does LMT still have TSA? Since KS left there has been zero commercial service correct? They would need to deal with those costs of hiring & sending people for TSA training or relocate people.
Where YKM, CEC & OTH have that. Bend would have been the same issue, unless TSA people from RDM could work in Bend if they wanted.

SyracuseAvGeek wrote:
RWA380 wrote:

Chugach hope you;ve been well lately, I fully believe you're right about PDT, I had heard it was able to hold it's own. As others speculated, maybe Boutique is looking at small city adds out of PDX?
I think RDM is a safe new market. to try. I know from my friends at AAG that local RDM-PDX tickets are a steady sell all winter, so a good effort will need to be made by 4B to advertise here.

I live in Terrebonne, 5 miles from Redmond & ten from the airport, no signs, no local TV blurbs that I have seen, going by the airport to check it out & see what gate they will use.

I could see several cities that are potential contenders: YKM, LMT, CEC are all a long drive in the winter from PDX, you will reach 4,000 foot passes or the gorge. Then cities like ONP, OTH, AST, OLM that are more easily driven,


I fully believe that Boutique is looking to expand more into non-EAS cities as they started Palm Springs on the 1st of October and I predict (I would put money on it) that Boutique will have more non-EAS cities on their route map in the future.

I also found a trip report from someone who flew the PDX-PDT route:

https://youtu.be/gm8lqlEvTW8

Looks like this YouTube channel focuses on smaller airlines and airport such as EAS cities.


I agree, I hope it's measured growth & not a big expansion.


As far as I know, BTQ ops don’t require any TSA presence because it’s Part 135. At PDX, they operated out of a private terminal and now at Atlantic’s new FBO. Surely other smaller towns in the Boutique network don’t have TSA either. I think the problem with LMT, at least in years past, was that the business community “required” twin engine planes, otherwise they’re not flying on them. Dumb rationale, I agree, but I remember that in some conversations I had with the former airport manager circa 2014.

I think OTH is a no brained and they should jump on that. Probably just waiting on some incentive?
 
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Fri Oct 09, 2020 8:51 pm

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RWA380 wrote:
NWAESC wrote:

I don't have any traffic data, but of those cities I would think LMT checks the most boxes for to start service?


Agreed, does LMT still have TSA? Since KS left there has been zero commercial service correct? They would need to deal with those costs of hiring & sending people for TSA training or relocate people.
Where YKM, CEC & OTH have that. Bend would have been the same issue, unless TSA people from RDM could work in Bend if they wanted.

SyracuseAvGeek wrote:

I fully believe that Boutique is looking to expand more into non-EAS cities as they started Palm Springs on the 1st of October and I predict (I would put money on it) that Boutique will have more non-EAS cities on their route map in the future.

I also found a trip report from someone who flew the PDX-PDT route:

https://youtu.be/gm8lqlEvTW8

Looks like this YouTube channel focuses on smaller airlines and airport such as EAS cities.


I agree, I hope it's measured growth & not a big expansion.


As far as I know, BTQ ops don’t require any TSA presence because it’s Part 135. At PDX, they operated out of a private terminal and now at Atlantic’s new FBO. Surely other smaller towns in the Boutique network don’t have TSA either. I think the problem with LMT, at least in years past, was that the business community “required” twin engine planes, otherwise they’re not flying on them. Dumb rationale, I agree, but I remember that in some conversations I had with the former airport manager circa 2014.

I think OTH is a no brained and they should jump on that. Probably just waiting on some incentive?


Absolutely OTH is a good choice for them as well as (in my opinion) ORH which is Worcester, Mass.

Actually most of BTQ’s ops are TSA, the only destinations of theirs that don’t have TSA (called “non-sterile”) are PDX, PDT, DFW, ABQ, and CNM. There are a couple of weird ones. GLH is connected to BNA and DFW, DFW is nonsterile and BNA is sterile so they use TSA in GLH for the BNA bound flights only, not DFW flights.

For BTQ’s new RDM station they will have to go through TSA on the Redmond side as they will be operating in the main terminal, but out of PDX to RDM there is no security.

That YouTube account that I put above seems to have done a lot of Boutique’s flights around the country and seems to focus on small carriers like Boutique. Interested to see how long it will take him/her to try the new Redmond flights.

I’ll include the link to the YT account in case You want to see the other BTQ videos he/she has made

https://www.youtube.com/c/gerardiaviati ... roductions
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Fri Oct 09, 2020 8:56 pm

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RWA380 wrote:
NWAESC wrote:

I don't have any traffic data, but of those cities I would think LMT checks the most boxes for to start service?


Agreed, does LMT still have TSA? Since KS left there has been zero commercial service correct? They would need to deal with those costs of hiring & sending people for TSA training or relocate people.
Where YKM, CEC & OTH have that. Bend would have been the same issue, unless TSA people from RDM could work in Bend if they wanted.

SyracuseAvGeek wrote:

I fully believe that Boutique is looking to expand more into non-EAS cities as they started Palm Springs on the 1st of October and I predict (I would put money on it) that Boutique will have more non-EAS cities on their route map in the future.

I also found a trip report from someone who flew the PDX-PDT route:

https://youtu.be/gm8lqlEvTW8

Looks like this YouTube channel focuses on smaller airlines and airport such as EAS cities.


I agree, I hope it's measured growth & not a big expansion.


As far as I know, BTQ ops don’t require any TSA presence because it’s Part 135. At PDX, they operated out of a private terminal and now at Atlantic’s new FBO. Surely other smaller towns in the Boutique network don’t have TSA either. I think the problem with LMT, at least in years past, was that the business community “required” twin engine planes, otherwise they’re not flying on them. Dumb rationale, I agree, but I remember that in some conversations I had with the former airport manager circa 2014.

I think OTH is a no brained and they should jump on that. Probably just waiting on some incentive?


How old am I? Wow. just fully escaped me that they are part 135, no TSA in PDT either. DUH! Then I will agree LMT (even if tagged with RDM) at first & OTH seem ripe. RDM is a good start. I noticed QX still has not re-started PDX-EUG, what do you think 4B might do with that, if anything? It's an easy drive vs the drive to RDM.
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Fri Oct 09, 2020 9:06 pm

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RWA380 wrote:

Agreed, does LMT still have TSA? Since KS left there has been zero commercial service correct? They would need to deal with those costs of hiring & sending people for TSA training or relocate people.
Where YKM, CEC & OTH have that. Bend would have been the same issue, unless TSA people from RDM could work in Bend if they wanted.



I agree, I hope it's measured growth & not a big expansion.


As far as I know, BTQ ops don’t require any TSA presence because it’s Part 135. At PDX, they operated out of a private terminal and now at Atlantic’s new FBO. Surely other smaller towns in the Boutique network don’t have TSA either. I think the problem with LMT, at least in years past, was that the business community “required” twin engine planes, otherwise they’re not flying on them. Dumb rationale, I agree, but I remember that in some conversations I had with the former airport manager circa 2014.

I think OTH is a no brained and they should jump on that. Probably just waiting on some incentive?


How old am I? Wow. just fully escaped me that they are part 135, no TSA in PDT either. DUH! Then I will agree LMT (even if tagged with RDM) at first & OTH seem ripe. RDM is a good start. I noticed QX still has not re-started PDX-EUG, what do you think 4B might do with that, if anything? It's an easy drive vs the drive to RDM.


Boutique has been on what seems like an aggressive growth pattern. They started Victoria, TX back in 2018 and then didn’t start a new destination until this last August.

But since August they have started or are going to start 6 new destinations in a very short time span;

•Ironwood, Mich and Chicago O’Hare on August 1
• Nashville August 23 (or 24?)
• Palm Springs October 1
• Redmond October 15
• Altoona January 1, 2021

Two of those are non-EAS destinations. I predict and would put money on Boutique announcing and starting a 7th destination before 2021 begins. Eventually the growing rate has to stop, but with major airlines cutting flights to midsized cities this is the perfect time for small carriers to strike.

I’m hoping to see something in the Midwest or northeast next.
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10/13 OAG: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1452863

AC PDX-YVR NOV 4>0.9[4] DEC 4>3[4]
AC PDX-YYC NOV 0.9>0[0.9] DEC 0.9>0[0.7] JAN 0.8>0.6[0.8]

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G4 AZA-RDM MAR 0.3>0.1[0.3]
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Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:05 pm

Boutique does not fly out of the new Atlantic terminal. They converted the front office of the old Skywest hangar into their FBO.
 
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Boutique does not fly out of the new Atlantic terminal. They converted the front office of the old Skywest hangar into their FBO.


Thanks for the update Ramprat74.....Did the Port of portland shelve plans for redoing the north ramp to accommodate more RON?? I haven't
seen any movement in that area...
 
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Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:21 pm

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[. I noticed QX still has not re-started PDX-EUG, what do you think 4B might do with that, if anything? It's an easy drive vs the drive to RDM.


Not sure if you were asking me, but I would think that PDXEUG would be worth it just for the volume alone? To be sure, it's an easy drive, but it's still just far enough that a flight can be viable (all the more so for any kind of connecting traffic).
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Wed Oct 14, 2020 2:01 pm

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RWA380 wrote:
[. I noticed QX still has not re-started PDX-EUG, what do you think 4B might do with that, if anything? It's an easy drive vs the drive to RDM.


Not sure if you were asking me, but I would think that PDXEUG would be worth it just for the volume alone? To be sure, it's an easy drive, but it's still just far enough that a flight can be viable (all the more so for any kind of connecting traffic).


Driving between Eugene and PDX isn't necessarily an easy drive at all. With the constant Wilsonville mess, regular wrecks on I-5, and I-205 regularly stop-and-go, it's a pain at best and dangerous at worst. As someone who lives south of Salem, and who used to commute regularly on I-5, flying from Eugene can be a blessing....it just needs more options.
 
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Wed Oct 14, 2020 2:43 pm

All valid points. I don't miss driving I-5. At all.

Let me rephrase:

"Driving to EUG can be easier comparatively than driving to RDM."
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The north ramp project is not on hold.

lhpdx wrote:
ramprat74 wrote:
Boutique does not fly out of the new Atlantic terminal. They converted the front office of the old Skywest hangar into their FBO.


Thanks for the update Ramprat74.....Did the Port of portland shelve plans for redoing the north ramp to accommodate more RON?? I haven't
seen any movement in that area...
 
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Thu Oct 15, 2020 4:48 pm

pdxswa wrote:
The north ramp project is not on hold.

lhpdx wrote:
ramprat74 wrote:
Boutique does not fly out of the new Atlantic terminal. They converted the front office of the old Skywest hangar into their FBO.


Thanks for the update Ramprat74.....Did the Port of portland shelve plans for redoing the north ramp to accommodate more RON?? I haven't
seen any movement in that area...



Do you know when construction of the north ramp is supposed to commence??
 
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Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:34 pm

That I do not know but with the weather here in Oregon going to turn slowly to rain. I would not think until next year.

lhpdx wrote:
pdxswa wrote:
The north ramp project is not on hold.

lhpdx wrote:

Thanks for the update Ramprat74.....Did the Port of portland shelve plans for redoing the north ramp to accommodate more RON?? I haven't
seen any movement in that area...



Do you know when construction of the north ramp is supposed to commence??
 
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Mon Oct 19, 2020 6:48 pm

I’m hearing rumors that the concourse connector is going down at Pdx in early January. Sounds like a new one will replace it, but there won’t be a seating area to relax as in the current one. If that’s true, that’s a bummer.
 
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Wed Oct 21, 2020 12:48 am

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RWA380 wrote:
[. I noticed QX still has not re-started PDX-EUG, what do you think 4B might do with that, if anything? It's an easy drive vs the drive to RDM.


Not sure if you were asking me, but I would think that PDXEUG would be worth it just for the volume alone? To be sure, it's an easy drive, but it's still just far enough that a flight can be viable (all the more so for any kind of connecting traffic).


Driving between Eugene and PDX isn't necessarily an easy drive at all. With the constant Wilsonville mess, regular wrecks on I-5, and I-205 regularly stop-and-go, it's a pain at best and dangerous at worst. As someone who lives south of Salem, and who used to commute regularly on I-5, flying from Eugene can be a blessing....it just needs more options.


You called it, Boutique Air just announced Portland to Eugene with service twice daily. The route begins on November 1, less than two weeks!!!! They also just announced Norfolk that will begin the same day.
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Interesting! I'll be curious to see how this route performs for 'em.
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10/20 OAG: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1453133

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Wed Oct 21, 2020 6:27 pm

SyracuseAvGeek wrote:
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Not sure if you were asking me, but I would think that PDXEUG would be worth it just for the volume alone? To be sure, it's an easy drive, but it's still just far enough that a flight can be viable (all the more so for any kind of connecting traffic).


Driving between Eugene and PDX isn't necessarily an easy drive at all. With the constant Wilsonville mess, regular wrecks on I-5, and I-205 regularly stop-and-go, it's a pain at best and dangerous at worst. As someone who lives south of Salem, and who used to commute regularly on I-5, flying from Eugene can be a blessing....it just needs more options.


You called it, Boutique Air just announced Portland to Eugene with service twice daily. The route begins on November 1, less than two weeks!!!! They also just announced Norfolk that will begin the same day.


Wow, that was quick. I guess they are staying safe on shorter hops, hoping to see LMT or OTH.
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SyracuseAvGeek wrote:
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Driving between Eugene and PDX isn't necessarily an easy drive at all. With the constant Wilsonville mess, regular wrecks on I-5, and I-205 regularly stop-and-go, it's a pain at best and dangerous at worst. As someone who lives south of Salem, and who used to commute regularly on I-5, flying from Eugene can be a blessing....it just needs more options.


You called it, Boutique Air just announced Portland to Eugene with service twice daily. The route begins on November 1, less than two weeks!!!! They also just announced Norfolk that will begin the same day.


Wow, that was quick. I guess they are staying safe on shorter hops, hoping to see LMT or OTH.


They also announced Norfolk, Virginia on the east coast.
PDX will now be Boutique Air busiest destination in terms of number of departures once DEN looses ALS. PDX will have a max of 8 daily departures with Boutique
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Wed Oct 21, 2020 8:32 pm

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RWA380 wrote:
SyracuseAvGeek wrote:

You called it, Boutique Air just announced Portland to Eugene with service twice daily. The route begins on November 1, less than two weeks!!!! They also just announced Norfolk that will begin the same day.


Wow, that was quick. I guess they are staying safe on shorter hops, hoping to see LMT or OTH.


They also announced Norfolk, Virginia on the east coast.
PDX will now be Boutique Air busiest destination in terms of number of departures once DEN looses ALS. PDX will have a max of 8 daily departures with Boutique


That is some great news, they must be doing better than good up here. Choosing EUG & RDM shows they are willing to test the Oregon market. I could see BFI as well, but YKM, OTH, LMT all seem possible IMHO.
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Wed Oct 21, 2020 8:55 pm

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Driving between Eugene and PDX isn't necessarily an easy drive at all. With the constant Wilsonville mess, regular wrecks on I-5, and I-205 regularly stop-and-go, it's a pain at best and dangerous at worst. As someone who lives south of Salem, and who used to commute regularly on I-5, flying from Eugene can be a blessing....it just needs more options.


You called it, Boutique Air just announced Portland to Eugene with service twice daily. The route begins on November 1, less than two weeks!!!! They also just announced Norfolk that will begin the same day.


Wow, that was quick. I guess they are staying safe on shorter hops, hoping to see LMT or OTH.


I’d probably add SLE and maybe AST to that list. Plenty of opportunity to link PDX with ex-AS/QX markets in Oregon. The PC12 is a great plane for these types of routes.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Oct 22, 2020 12:13 am

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RWA380 wrote:
SyracuseAvGeek wrote:

You called it, Boutique Air just announced Portland to Eugene with service twice daily. The route begins on November 1, less than two weeks!!!! They also just announced Norfolk that will begin the same day.


Wow, that was quick. I guess they are staying safe on shorter hops, hoping to see LMT or OTH.


I’d probably add SLE and maybe AST to that list. Plenty of opportunity to link PDX with ex-AS/QX markets in Oregon. The PC12 is a great plane for these types of routes.


I think there is an opportunity to serve PSC-PDX as well. AS tried it off and on, but couldn't make it work.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Oct 22, 2020 4:15 am

Chugach wrote:
RWA380 wrote:
SyracuseAvGeek wrote:

You called it, Boutique Air just announced Portland to Eugene with service twice daily. The route begins on November 1, less than two weeks!!!! They also just announced Norfolk that will begin the same day.


Wow, that was quick. I guess they are staying safe on shorter hops, hoping to see LMT or OTH.


I’d probably add SLE and maybe AST to that list. Plenty of opportunity to link PDX with ex-AS/QX markets in Oregon. The PC12 is a great plane for these types of routes.


There is nothing happening in SLE, each time someone has gone in they leave, with HUT operating many times a day, all day, it's a tough market, but as traffic is horrid N of Wilsonville up I-205, maybe it'll work. AST could work, if the fish packaging plant has been rebuilt, then air traffic would have some basis. I agree the PC-12 would be the perfect craft & both being short hops, it's a smaller risk to either stop
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Oct 22, 2020 4:19 am

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Chugach wrote:
RWA380 wrote:

Wow, that was quick. I guess they are staying safe on shorter hops, hoping to see LMT or OTH.


I’d probably add SLE and maybe AST to that list. Plenty of opportunity to link PDX with ex-AS/QX markets in Oregon. The PC12 is a great plane for these types of routes.


I think there is an opportunity to serve PSC-PDX as well. AS tried it off and on, but couldn't make it work.


I had forgotten AS was off that route, I agree this would be a good market. Does anyone think EUG-RDM could work for them also? Hwy 22 is a mess & with Detroit gone, it's 40 mph for 40 miles now. Plus with 4,800 foot pass, there is plenty of days where passing is difficult.
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Oct 22, 2020 4:30 am

Sle might work but not to PDX. They still have on going effort to attract air service but SLE-PDX has a low chance of success
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Oct 22, 2020 12:16 pm

RWA380 wrote:
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Wow, that was quick. I guess they are staying safe on shorter hops, hoping to see LMT or OTH.


They also announced Norfolk, Virginia on the east coast.
PDX will now be Boutique Air busiest destination in terms of number of departures once DEN looses ALS. PDX will have a max of 8 daily departures with Boutique


That is some great news, they must be doing better than good up here. Choosing EUG & RDM shows they are willing to test the Oregon market. I could see BFI as well, but YKM, OTH, LMT all seem possible IMHO.


I agree, lots of potential not only in Oregon but the PNW... JSX had planned BFI-PDX to begin in June, but with covid that plan was scrapped and they have even left BFI all together. 4xDaily BFI-PDX would do outstanding. Plus Kenmore Air Express passengers from the San Juan Islands could utilize the Boutique Air route and connect in BFI.

Not much of Boutique’s route network lends itself to connecting to other BTQ flights with the exception of maybe Palm Springs. If they begin BFI-PDX I could see many passengers taking the flight to connect onto their other Oregon destinations.
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Oct 22, 2020 7:33 pm

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They also announced Norfolk, Virginia on the east coast.
PDX will now be Boutique Air busiest destination in terms of number of departures once DEN looses ALS. PDX will have a max of 8 daily departures with Boutique


That is some great news, they must be doing better than good up here. Choosing EUG & RDM shows they are willing to test the Oregon market. I could see BFI as well, but YKM, OTH, LMT all seem possible IMHO.


I agree, lots of potential not only in Oregon but the PNW... JSX had planned BFI-PDX to begin in June, but with covid that plan was scrapped and they have even left BFI all together. 4xDaily BFI-PDX would do outstanding. Plus Kenmore Air Express passengers from the San Juan Islands could utilize the Boutique Air route and connect in BFI.

Not much of Boutique’s route network lends itself to connecting to other BTQ flights with the exception of maybe Palm Springs. If they begin BFI-PDX I could see many passengers taking the flight to connect onto their other Oregon destinations.


When I first posted about RDM, I just tripped across it looking at 4B's site & RDM-PDX-PDT was a clear option, the connections were great, leading me to think, the plane must fly PDT-PDX-RDM-PDX-PDT, with a flight number change at PDX. I have no idea how many aircraft 4B has based at PDX, but I'd imagine 2 maybe? They'll need to add one more at least, if they expand more. I still think a PDX-RDM-EUG-PDX flight & v.v. at least once a day would do well on each segment, EUG-RDM hasn't had air service in a long time, since JT or an earlier QX. Even Sunriver has an airport JT served from both RDM & EUG n/s.

Made a few interesting notes after viewing the 4B site. The fares on both RDM & EUG are at minimum $250.00 r/t, both flights are under 30 minutes, having flown both routes before, even less IME.

The flights to PDT are subsidized & I get that, they are twice as long & one can get tickets for under $89.00. r/t. I do not see an option for an RDM day trip, as both daily departures are within 1 1/2 hours of each other on PDX-RDM starting at after 3pm.
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Oct 23, 2020 2:40 am

What a way to commit to a market. PDX-RDM goes down to one RT/ day after a month LOL to facilitate the EUG service. Doubt either will last....
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Fri Oct 23, 2020 2:46 am

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What a way to commit to a market. PDX-RDM goes down to one RT/ day after a month LOL to facilitate the EUG service. Doubt either will last....


Yeah, I’m sure the carrier is stretching itself thin... they are starting 8 new cities in a time period of about 5 months.
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Oct 23, 2020 3:58 am

RWA380 wrote:
SyracuseAvGeek wrote:
RWA380 wrote:

That is some great news, they must be doing better than good up here. Choosing EUG & RDM shows they are willing to test the Oregon market. I could see BFI as well, but YKM, OTH, LMT all seem possible IMHO.


I agree, lots of potential not only in Oregon but the PNW... JSX had planned BFI-PDX to begin in June, but with covid that plan was scrapped and they have even left BFI all together. 4xDaily BFI-PDX would do outstanding. Plus Kenmore Air Express passengers from the San Juan Islands could utilize the Boutique Air route and connect in BFI.

Not much of Boutique’s route network lends itself to connecting to other BTQ flights with the exception of maybe Palm Springs. If they begin BFI-PDX I could see many passengers taking the flight to connect onto their other Oregon destinations.


When I first posted about RDM, I just tripped across it looking at 4B's site & RDM-PDX-PDT was a clear option, the connections were great, leading me to think, the plane must fly PDT-PDX-RDM-PDX-PDT, with a flight number change at PDX. I have no idea how many aircraft 4B has based at PDX, but I'd imagine 2 maybe? They'll need to add one more at least, if they expand more. I still think a PDX-RDM-EUG-PDX flight & v.v. at least once a day would do well on each segment, EUG-RDM hasn't had air service in a long time, since JT or an earlier QX. Even Sunriver has an airport JT served from both RDM & EUG n/s.

Made a few interesting notes after viewing the 4B site. The fares on both RDM & EUG are at minimum $250.00 r/t, both flights are under 30 minutes, having flown both routes before, even less IME.

The flights to PDT are subsidized & I get that, they are twice as long & one can get tickets for under $89.00. r/t. I do not see an option for an RDM day trip, as both daily departures are within 1 1/2 hours of each other on PDX-RDM starting at after 3pm.


Boutique is opening a maintenance base at PDX so planes will be cycling through a lot more frequently. In the past, planes were going to DEN for mtx. So, because of that, perhaps that’s why they’re adding a couple new destinations from PDX.

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