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Central American Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Dec 31, 2019 3:52 pm

Welcome to the Central America Aviation Thread 2020. Please continue your discussion and to post your updates here.

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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Dec 31, 2019 4:33 pm

Happy New Year!
My Central American Aviation wish for 2020:
CM adds 5 per week 2200h departure PTY-DAV, 0530h departure DAV-PTY
CM stars (seasonal) twice weekly DAV-MIA
CM adds 2200h departure Friday and Saturday PTY-MGA; Saturday, Sunday 0330h departure MGA-PTY
AV re-starts TACA SAL-MSY
AV studies SAL-AUS/SAT/TPA/ATL/PHX/DEN
AV studies SAL-SCL-EZE (does any of AV narrow-bodies has the range for SAL-SCL?)
AV SAL-LIM tag-on VVI
AV PTY-SJO-MGA departure before 0600h, arrival PTY after 2230h.
AV thrice weekly SAL-MGA-SJO-DAV-BOG (!!)

And, of course, good ending to the 737MAX tech-failure saga...
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Tue Dec 31, 2019 5:27 pm

Happy New Year guys.
@2travel2know2 that is a great wishlist

My only wishlist is that second European airlines starts service to GUA to compete with Iberia. KLM, Air France or Lufthansa.

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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Dec 31, 2019 6:38 pm

2travel2know2 wrote:
Happy New Year!

AV SAL-LIM tag-on VVI


Did not AV announce the cancellation of its LIM-VVI-LIM flights? Will AV return this market?
 
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Wed Jan 01, 2020 1:23 am

SouthAmericaAM wrote:
2travel2know2 wrote:
Happy New Year!

AV SAL-LIM tag-on VVI


Did not AV announce the cancellation of its LIM-VVI-LIM flights? Will AV return this market?
The question here might be: Would AV VVI passengers prefer a VVI-LIM-SAL-XXX over VVI-BOG-XXX given that the connections offered by AV @ SAL are quite different than the ones AV offers in AV.
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 02, 2020 1:58 pm

Looking forward to seeing F9 in GUA and SAL this year. I also think we will see one, maybe two surprise long haul services announced to the region.

As for jetblue. They have probably missed their best window of success opportunity to open up flights to GUA, SAL, PTY, BZE et al.
 
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Thu Jan 02, 2020 3:00 pm

LightChop2Chop wrote:
Looking forward to seeing F9 in GUA and SAL this year. I also think we will see one, maybe two surprise long haul services announced to the region.

As for jetblue. They have probably missed their best window of success opportunity to open up flights to GUA, SAL, PTY, BZE et al.


There are strong rumors that B6 is announcing GUA this year. AA, DL, and UA are going to have strong headwinds with the LCC expanding their long awaited service in Central America.
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 02, 2020 3:26 pm

I would be surprised if B6 doesn't announce both GUA and SAL this year. Don't think PTY and BZE are happening. They are focused on the JFK VFR markets first. A lot of money to be made there and no ULCC competition. It does make me wonder how DL keeps ATL to some of these markets going if all they have are missionary and VFR connection traffic.

I could see BZE at some point down the road, but PTY seems to be too hard of a market given CM's strong hub there. Overall, they do seem to be quite weak in Central America compared to Carribbeans and northern portion of South America.
 
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Thu Jan 02, 2020 8:18 pm

Happy 2020 to everyone !

My wildest dream of the year is Turkish Airlines in Costa Rica or any other carrier from the Middle East. It’s only my guess. :spin:

Back to the real world, I think AV wouldn’t start new flights from Central America given the financial situation of the airline, where many regional services were canceled in 2019: SAL-CTG, SAL-BOS and so on.
CM is even experiencing issues with the 737 MAX fleet. They couldn’t begin new stations until this problem would be solved in the near future.
It’s good how the American low cost carriers are considering other regional stations like Guatemala City and San Salvador.
In my view, we may see this scenario in Central America this year. Maybe someone coming from Canada.
Since 2007, Spirit has been basically the only low cost carrier aiming to the region. B6 has focused their services only in Costa Rica and WN supplied limited flights.
Volaris Central America hasn’t expanded their services as large as they promised us some years backward.
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 02, 2020 11:44 pm

My wish.. CM starts PTY-BNA service... would make it so much easier for me to get to PTY..lol
 
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Fri Jan 03, 2020 3:24 am

n917me wrote:
My wish.. CM starts PTY-BNA service... would make it so much easier for me to get to PTY..lol
BNA, MEM, CVG, RDU, CLT, ATL, JAX, DFW; they all would love CM in their airports... :lol: :airplane:
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Fri Jan 03, 2020 1:47 pm

If CM starts anything this year in USA my bet is AUS or PHL, but with the max issues, who knows.
 
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Fri Jan 03, 2020 8:11 pm

My bet for CM, if it starts anything in the US (due to the Max problems), it would be SAN.
 
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Fri Jan 03, 2020 8:21 pm

Kilgen wrote:
My bet for CM, if it starts anything in the US (due to the Max problems), it would be SAN.
PHX but not SAN is in my CM to U.S.West Coast wish list.
LightChop2Chop wrote:
If CM starts anything this year in USA my bet is AUS or PHL, but with the max issues, who knows.
Lets see if CM starts AUS, how much Houston O/D traffic it takes from UA IAH-PTY.
IMHO, I’d rather see CM @ HOU before CM to AUS.
I believe CM has thrown numbers for PTY-PHL before, it could work and will take traffic from UA EWR-PTY and CM IAD-PTY.
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Jan 04, 2020 12:02 am

My wish would be AV starting flights from SAL to Europe, specifically FRA (Star Hub) or MUC. I know it wont happen (especially now) but I think the idea is not completly wild. Before the merger, there were rumors that TA was going to start flights to Europe (not sure if MAD or where, but...anyhow).
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Jan 05, 2020 6:27 pm

I would like the following routes.

Jetblue JFK-GUA with A320
Avianca SAL-FRS with ATR72
KLM or Air France or Lufthansa from Europe to GUA.

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Sun Jan 05, 2020 6:32 pm

SAL passenger for 2019

Out.................1,239,928
In....................1,235,077
Transit.............1,217,851
Transfer...........37,485
Total...............3,730,341

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Mon Jan 06, 2020 2:04 am

juanchito wrote:
Transit.............1,217,851
Transfer...........37,485

I didn't get the difference between transit and transfer regarding these figures ?
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Tue Jan 07, 2020 3:32 am

The resumption of the operations on the Copa Airlines Boeing 737 MAX 9 fleet is being programmed for May 2020.
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Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:40 pm

JetBlue will start JFK-GUA daily on June 1st using A320.
 
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Thu Jan 16, 2020 9:55 pm

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JetBlue will start JFK-GUA daily on June 1st using A320.



Finally it is official

JFK - GUA Flight #625 - 7:00 p.m. – 10:15 p.m.
GUA - JFK Flight #628 - 11:25 p.m. – 6:00 a.m. (+1)
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Jan 17, 2020 7:51 pm

juanchito wrote:
estefanovich wrote:
JetBlue will start JFK-GUA daily on June 1st using A320.



Finally it is official

JFK - GUA Flight #625 - 7:00 p.m. – 10:15 p.m.
GUA - JFK Flight #628 - 11:25 p.m. – 6:00 a.m. (+1)



Finally!!! I hope in time they add other destinations and hopefully Mint!
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Sat Jan 18, 2020 12:34 am

As long as AA keeps SAP-DFW, which it seems it will be the case (pretty solid in the holidays both ways), I'd be fine.

However, the AV moves is going to make flying from Honduras to the U.S more expensive as SAP-MIA and SAP-JFK will be going for good.
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Sat Jan 18, 2020 2:12 am

AASAP777 wrote:
As long as AA keeps SAP-DFW, which it seems it will be the case (pretty solid in the holidays both ways), I'd be fine.

However, the AV moves is going to make flying from Honduras to the U.S more expensive as SAP-MIA and SAP-JFK will be going for good.



AV’a retreat really is surprising. The only cities that remain decently served outside of SAL are SJO and GUA.

SJO: GUA, SAL, BOG, LIM, MGA, PTY
GUA: SJO, SAL, MGA, FRS, TGU, SAP, BOG, LAX.
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Sat Jan 18, 2020 2:51 am

avi8 wrote:
AASAP777 wrote:
As long as AA keeps SAP-DFW, which it seems it will be the case (pretty solid in the holidays both ways), I'd be fine.

However, the AV moves is going to make flying from Honduras to the U.S more expensive as SAP-MIA and SAP-JFK will be going for good.



AV’a retreat really is surprising. The only cities that remain decently served outside of SAL are SJO and GUA.

SJO: GUA, SAL, BOG, LIM, MGA, PTY
GUA: SJO, SAL, MGA, FRS, TGU, SAP, BOG, LAX.


Isn't that LAX flight going away from GUA? I thought it was leaving along with MIA.
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Sun Jan 19, 2020 1:20 am

AASAP777 wrote:
avi8 wrote:
AASAP777 wrote:
As long as AA keeps SAP-DFW, which it seems it will be the case (pretty solid in the holidays both ways), I'd be fine.

However, the AV moves is going to make flying from Honduras to the U.S more expensive as SAP-MIA and SAP-JFK will be going for good.



AV’a retreat really is surprising. The only cities that remain decently served outside of SAL are SJO and GUA.

SJO: GUA, SAL, BOG, LIM, MGA, PTY
GUA: SJO, SAL, MGA, FRS, TGU, SAP, BOG, LAX.


Isn't that LAX flight going away from GUA? I thought it was leaving along with MIA.


AV would be dumb to close LAX from GUA, but never say never. What happened is that Lacsa stop operating it and Avianca El Salvador is operating that route now.

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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Jan 27, 2020 4:28 pm

Unconfirmed news with ramifications for service within the Central American region

https://www.reportur.com/aerolineas/202 ... a-aerobus/
 
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Sat Feb 01, 2020 1:04 pm

9N took delivery of their first B1900 yesterday. I don’t know how to post photos here but it is on their facebook page.
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Feb 01, 2020 5:16 pm

CA suspends IAH-PTY-PTY tag-on.
https://twitter.com/tocumenaero/status/1223638568259768321?s=20 In Spanish, from PTY airport's Twitter.
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Sat Feb 01, 2020 6:16 pm

No choice with that suspension since iah is not an airport that will be allowed to accept flights from China. One would assume that the flight to IaH from China has been suspended as well.
 
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Tue Feb 04, 2020 2:23 am

Copa Airlines had previously announced the withdrawal of the E90 fleet for 2020.
Nonetheless, CM even operates their 14 E90s steadily since 2005-2009.
Copa Airlines Colombia has retired all these planes. In other words, no more E90s featuring the Colombian flag into the CM system.
Avianca Central America is not operating these frames since 2019.
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Tue Feb 04, 2020 2:37 am

juanchito wrote:
AV would be dumb to close LAX from GUA, but never say never. What happened is that Lacsa stop operating it and Avianca El Salvador is operating that route now.

The former TACA had a classic route and scheduled daily as SJO-GUA-LAX with 320.
This flight was indeed operated by Avianca Costa Rica or by the former LACSA, in the past.
It was entirely operated for Costa Rican crew, even on the AV era: from 2013 afterwards.

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Tue Feb 04, 2020 3:10 am

SJOtoLIR wrote:
Copa Airlines had previously announced the withdrawal of the E90 fleet for 2020.
Nonetheless, CM even operates their 14 E90s steadily since 2005-2009.
Copa Airlines Colombia has retired all these planes. In other words, no more E90s featuring the Colombian flag into the CM system.
Avianca Central America is not operating these frames since 2019.
Could it be that CM will keep its E190 for some extra months while it can't fly its B737-900MAX?
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Could it be that CM will keep its E190 for some extra months while it can't fly its B737-900MAX?


It makes a lot of sense.
Their six 737-9 MAX are still grounded, meaning an inadequated time for the withdrawal of their E90s.
The last announcement I recall is the resumption of the MAX fleet for May 2020.

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Tue Feb 04, 2020 4:07 am

2travel2know2 wrote:
Could it be that CM will keep its E190 for some extra months while it can't fly its B737-900MAX?


It makes a lot of sense.
Their six 737-9 MAX are still grounded, meaning an inadequated time for the withdrawal of their E90s.
The last announcement I recall is the resumption of the MAX fleet for May 2020.

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Tue Feb 04, 2020 1:17 pm

SJOtoLIR wrote:
2travel2know2 wrote:
Could it be that CM will keep its E190 for some extra months while it can't fly its B737-900MAX?


It makes a lot of sense.
Their six 737-9 MAX are still grounded, meaning an inadequated time for the withdrawal of their E90s.
The last announcement I recall is the resumption of the MAX fleet for May 2020.

Regards.


Boeing has produced 7 737-9 MAX for Copa that are in storage in different airports in the U.S.

https://737-max.blogspot.com/2017/12/ma ... rline.html

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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Feb 04, 2020 2:15 pm

I have some CM flights scheduled throughout this year and I see some 190 eqp showing up so i guess they will try to use them until the maxes return which is beginning to sound like end of 2020
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Feb 04, 2020 2:41 pm

According to their Third Quarterly Earnings results, the E190 will depart in the following 18 months. So, they will still be flying in 2020 and 2021.

As part of its plan to increase efficiencies, the Company has decided to accelerate the exit of its E190 fleet and is planning to sell the remaining 14 aircraft over the next 18 months, 3 years earlier than previously planned. This anticipated exit could result in a book loss in the range of US$90 million related to the sale of the aircraft and spare parts inventory.

https://copa.gcs-web.com/static-files/025a859c-6e9e-4caa-910e-f6bfeeb486e9
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Feb 05, 2020 3:39 am

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Boeing has produced 7 737-9 MAX for Copa

So, one plane has been missing from my records:

........Type....................Registration......Delivery date
Boeing 737-9MAX.....HP-9901CMP......31-08-2018
Boeing 737-9MAX.....HP-9902CMP......02-11-2018
Boeing 737-9MAX.....HP-9903CMP......30-10-2018
Boeing 737-9MAX.....HP-9904CMP......21-11-2018
Boeing 737-9MAX.....HP-9905CMP......10-01-2019
Boeing 737-9MAX.....HP-9906CMP......22-02-2019

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Wed Feb 05, 2020 1:22 pm

SJOtoLIR wrote:
juanchito wrote:
Boeing has produced 7 737-9 MAX for Copa

So, one plane has been missing from my records:

........Type....................Registration......Delivery date
Boeing 737-9MAX.....HP-9901CMP......31-08-2018
Boeing 737-9MAX.....HP-9902CMP......02-11-2018
Boeing 737-9MAX.....HP-9903CMP......30-10-2018
Boeing 737-9MAX.....HP-9904CMP......21-11-2018
Boeing 737-9MAX.....HP-9905CMP......10-01-2019
Boeing 737-9MAX.....HP-9906CMP......22-02-2019

Regards.


I said that are in storage in different airports in US. Those that you mention have been delivered

Boeing 737-9MAX....HP-9907CMP....BFI
Boeing 737-9MAX....HP-9908CMP....BFI
Boeing 737-9MAX....HP-9909CMP....SKF
Boeing 737-9MAX....HP-9910CMP....MWH
Boeing 737-9MAX....HP-9911CMP....MWH
Boeing 737-9MAX....HP-9912CMP....SKF
Boeing 737-9MAX....HP-9913CMP....RNT
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Feb 06, 2020 2:56 am

Just stumbled upon this...

https://simpleflying.com/norwegian-london-panama/

"Norwegian Eyes Direct 787 Flights From London To Panama"

Basically, it just says a LGW-PTY route is under evaluation and that a meeting to discuss this has already taken place.

Personally, I would love to have this option open, even if it is to LGW which is more of a secondary airport and focused on leisure destinations from the UK.

However, I am not sure of how much this would work for DY. Assuming this happens, they would most probably codeshare with CM, which already does so with KL, AF, IB, LH, TK... How much more incoming connecting traffic load can CM take and how much of the load for this flight would be O&D traffic is still an open question.

Perhaps a 1x or 2x weekly, timed outside of the heavy Europe arrivals time might work...

Or should PTY be more of an LHR destination instead?
 
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Thu Feb 06, 2020 11:13 am

ipelyhe wrote:
Just stumbled upon this...

https://simpleflying.com/norwegian-london-panama/

"Norwegian Eyes Direct 787 Flights From London To Panama"

Basically, it just says a LGW-PTY route is under evaluation and that a meeting to discuss this has already taken place.

Personally, I would love to have this option open, even if it is to LGW which is more of a secondary airport and focused on leisure destinations from the UK.

However, I am not sure of how much this would work for DY. Assuming this happens, they would most probably codeshare with CM, which already does so with KL, AF, IB, LH, TK... How much more incoming connecting traffic load can CM take and how much of the load for this flight would be O&D traffic is still an open question.

Perhaps a 1x or 2x weekly, timed outside of the heavy Europe arrivals time might work...

Or should PTY be more of an LHR destination instead?

PTY hub has been desperate looking to get a LON non.stop flight for quite long.
A LON non.stop, even if it’s to LGW would take traffic currently flying via CDG,,AMS, MAD and FRA.
Having DY from LGW would remind when DE came from FRA, it’s not exactly what PTY wished for but PTY has ro be happy it had it.
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Feb 06, 2020 3:32 pm

Just saw these two Tweets: https://twitter.com/RomyVasquezMor1/sta ... 0462006274 and https://twitter.com/RomyVasquezMor1/sta ... 6570126336

Panama and Canada have signed a new bilateral treaty. I wonder how many frequencies it will allow between the two countries and which new routes will be opened?

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Hoy damos el paso del perfeccionamiento del acuerdo del transporte aéreo Panama-Canadá con la firma del Cap. Gustavo Perez Morales y ministro Marc Garneau @aacivilpty @panamaincanada @CancilleriaPma @LillyNichollsL @NitoCortizo
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Feb 06, 2020 3:53 pm

Kilgen wrote:
Just saw these two Tweets: https://twitter.com/RomyVasquezMor1/sta ... 0462006274 and https://twitter.com/RomyVasquezMor1/sta ... 6570126336

Panama and Canada have signed a new bilateral treaty. I wonder how many frequencies it will allow between the two countries and which new routes will be opened?

Firma Acuerdo de atrás porte Aéreo entre Panama y Canadá . Capitán Gustavo Perez Morales de AAC y ministro De transporte Marc Garneau @LillyNichollsL @CancilleriaPma @panamaincanada @NitoCortizo @aacivilpty


Hoy damos el paso del perfeccionamiento del acuerdo del transporte aéreo Panama-Canadá con la firma del Cap. Gustavo Perez Morales y ministro Marc Garneau @aacivilpty @panamaincanada @CancilleriaPma @LillyNichollsL @NitoCortizo

CM has been looking to increase its frequencies to both YYZ and YUL for quite long.
Not sure if the new bilateral will allow open skies, but IMHO, CM would love to fly twice daily to YYZ and daily + 2-3 extra flights per week to YUL.
Current CM fleet doesn’t have the range for PTY > Star Alliance AC hub YVR, so the only other “major” Canadian destinations within range would be YWG and YHZ plus YYC perhaps with 3-4 empty rows, but none of which seem to be attractive for CM (unless CM wishes to operate seasonal scheduled-charter style flights).
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Feb 06, 2020 4:23 pm

Looking at a FB post of the Canadian Ministry of Transport, looks like it is not an open skies agreement, but just an expanded air transport agreement. Maybe a few more flights and looks like AC and CM will have some code shares as well.

https://www.facebook.com/401846167974/posts/10158251441552975/?substory_index=0
Minister Garneau and Captain Gustavo Pérez Morales, Director General of the Panama Civil Aviation Authority, have officially signed an expanded air transport agreement between Canada and Panama. Building on the 2008 Canada-Panama Air Transport Agreement, this expanded agreement allows for more flights between the two countries.

It also provides greater flexibility for airlines to offer more air services to Canadians using the flights of other airlines, referred to as code-sharing. The signing is an important step in the process of ratifying the expanded agreement, which is currently applied on an administrative basis pending entry into force.

As part of the Blue Sky policy, the Government of Canada has concluded new or expanded air transport agreements covering more than 105 countries. For more information: https://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/policy/air-blu ... u-2989.htm
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Feb 07, 2020 3:27 am

CM Airlines from Honduras started La Ceiba - Roatan service.

CC 3083 LCE 09.30 - 09.50 RTB....L4T......Tu, Th
CC 3083 LCE 13.30 - 13 50 RTB....L4T.......Su

CC 3082 RTB 11.30 - 11.50 LCE.....L4T........Tu, Th
CC 3082 RTB 13.00 - 13.20 LCE.....L4T........Su
Effective: January 28th

Don't confuse CM Airlines with Copa Airlines.
They're separate identities.
LCE-RTB is already served by Aerolineas Sosa and CM Airlines flies TGU-RTB and RTB-SAP.

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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Feb 11, 2020 2:50 am

2travel2know2 wrote:
ipelyhe wrote:
Just stumbled upon this...

https://simpleflying.com/norwegian-london-panama/

"Norwegian Eyes Direct 787 Flights From London To Panama"

Basically, it just says a LGW-PTY route is under evaluation and that a meeting to discuss this has already taken place.

Personally, I would love to have this option open, even if it is to LGW which is more of a secondary airport and focused on leisure destinations from the UK.

However, I am not sure of how much this would work for DY. Assuming this happens, they would most probably codeshare with CM, which already does so with KL, AF, IB, LH, TK... How much more incoming connecting traffic load can CM take and how much of the load for this flight would be O&D traffic is still an open question.

Perhaps a 1x or 2x weekly, timed outside of the heavy Europe arrivals time might work...

Or should PTY be more of an LHR destination instead?

PTY hub has been desperate looking to get a LON non.stop flight for quite long.
A LON non.stop, even if it’s to LGW would take traffic currently flying via CDG,,AMS, MAD and FRA.
Having DY from LGW would remind when DE came from FRA, it’s not exactly what PTY wished for but PTY has ro be happy it had it.
Whatever happened to the possibility of VS starting LHR-PTY?
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Feb 11, 2020 3:14 am

Speaking about the British airlines in Panama, I could barely remember BOAC at PTY and deploying the VC-10 in the 70s.
It was probably routed via KIN or NAS.
If someone post further information in this regard would be appreciated.

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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Feb 11, 2020 2:40 pm

LTU932 wrote:
Whatever happened to the possibility of VS starting LHR-PTY?
Or LGW-PTY?
I'm not on CM's payroll.
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Feb 11, 2020 2:44 pm

SJOtoLIR wrote:
Speaking about the British airlines in Panama, I could barely remember BOAC at PTY and deploying the VC-10 in the 70s.
It was probably routed via KIN or NAS.
If someone post further information in this regard would be appreciated.

Routes were LHR-BDA-KIN-PTY and/or LHR-BDA-NAS-PTY.
Don't think the VC10 had the range for LHR-NAS or LHR-KIN non-stop.
VC10 was replaced by BA B707, which I believe could fly LHR-NAS non-stop.
The last aircraft type BA flew into PTY was L1011, I recall correctly, it was twice weekly LHR-KIN-PTY.
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