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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu May 14, 2020 10:53 pm

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Delta Air Lines suspends indefinitely their services in Nicaragua.
The first flight on DL ATL-MGA was scheduled in 2005 and the airline had planned the return to Managua on June 13th.
However, both DL ATL-MGA and DL LAX-MGA won't operate anymore.
I can see this as a reaction of the handling (or lack thereof) by Nicaragua of the pandemic. On the other hand, LAX has the problem of an extended and possibly indefinite lockdown by the mayor of Los Angeles, which probably makes any international flight out of LA basically impossible.
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu May 14, 2020 11:36 pm

LTU932 wrote:
SJOtoLIR wrote:
Delta Air Lines suspends indefinitely their services in Nicaragua.
The first flight on DL ATL-MGA was scheduled in 2005 and the airline had planned the return to Managua on June 13th.
However, both DL ATL-MGA and DL LAX-MGA won't operate anymore.
I can see this as a reaction of the handling (or lack thereof) by Nicaragua of the pandemic. On the other hand, LAX has the problem of an extended and possibly indefinite lockdown by the mayor of Los Angeles, which probably makes any international flight out of LA basically impossible.
I can't visualise DL returning to MGA before years end.
Maybe by late November next year, from ATL and then early evenings ATL-MGA, mornings MGA-ATL, however, not daily.
MGA seems to have some limited seasonal non-stop demand from LAX, perhaps a few red-eyes both ways with the ATL frame then?
Who knows..
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri May 15, 2020 2:08 am

Speaking about the Latin American landscape, DL has canceled both Cozumel and Managua.
They also axed many destinations within the United States temporarily.
The airline will also retire its entire Boeing 777 fleet by the end of the year.
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri May 15, 2020 8:41 pm

PTY is closed for another 30 days starting May 22, so it will reopen on June 22.

Via Twitter: https://twitter.com/tocumenaero/status/ ... 8845637636
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri May 15, 2020 10:22 pm

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I can't visualise DL returning to MGA before years end.
Maybe by late November next year, from ATL and then early evenings ATL-MGA, mornings MGA-ATL, however, not daily.
MGA seems to have some limited seasonal non-stop demand from LAX, perhaps a few red-eyes both ways with the ATL frame then?
Who knows..
I don't see DL return to MGA at all in this year. Regardless of the indefinite lockdown in LA, until Nicaragua starts doing something against Coronavirus and stops denying the existence of it in the country, and admit that those atypical pneumonia cases are most likely related to the virus, I don't see any airline return or start services to MGA. There's a lot of potential for cross contamination because of the lack of measures. This has even caused that, especially in Costa Rica's northern border (mostly Peñas Blancas, otherwise also Tablillas), truck drivers entering with goods into the country are being forced to get tested before getting admission into the country. If these same measures are as strict at the southern border (e.g. Sixaola and Paso Canoas) as they are in the northern border, I don't know. But from what I hear, the measures are very strict up north. Managua is indirectly hurting us, because without a reopening of the border, Costa Rica cannot permit commercial flights into the country except for freight.
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat May 16, 2020 3:10 am

Panama announced today PTY will be closed an additional 30 days from May 22.
Guess I'll be postponing my visit home again..for the 3rd time.
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat May 16, 2020 12:31 pm

That is surprising, given how they were preparing to reopen again, making changes that guarantee social distancing, etc. They seemed to be going full steam ahead without any issues from the government.
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat May 16, 2020 10:52 pm

It's unpredictable the resume of the regular operations of the Central American airports for the time being. It would directly depend on the progress of the spread of the virus.
Let me put it this way: on March 15th most of the regional airports were closed for just one month, but the ban was suddenly extended for one more month and then for 30 more days.
The disease is quite active in selected countries within our continent by now.
Argentina has drastically suspended the international civil aviation up to September and that hits the regular flights of Copa Airlines there: Buenos Aires, Cordoba, Mendoza, Rosario and Salta.
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun May 17, 2020 12:58 am

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Argentina has drastically suspended the international civil aviation up to September and that hits the regular flights of Copa Airlines there: Buenos Aires, Cordoba, Mendoza, Rosario and Salta.
I recall reports where Argentinian tourists stuck in Costa Rica were pleading to their government to let them come back. It's like Argentina never made an effort to repatriate their own citizens in the first place. I dunno what happened to those stuck in Costa Rica, but recently a humanitarian charter full of Argentinians departed PTY.
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun May 17, 2020 2:06 am

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On the other hand, LAX has the problem of an extended and possibly indefinite lockdown by the mayor of Los Angeles, which probably makes any international flight out of LA basically impossible.


While my SAL trips have been impacted ex-LAX due to repeated cancellations, I did book myself on LH from LAX to MUC on June 4th after getting a cancellation with them on DFW to FRA for that day. Seems to me that they'll proceed now come hell or high water, looking forward to the A350.

LTU932 wrote:
That is surprising, given how they were preparing to reopen again, making changes that guarantee social distancing, etc. They seemed to be going full steam ahead without any issues from the government.


I hope that SAL and PTY will reopen soon (and that AV will fly again soon in spite of the BK) along with the rest of Central America, but LatAm seems like the strictest region in the world right now when it comes to reopening. I'm surprised that the region doesn't see stronger protests like much of Europe is currently experiencing and the parts of the US saw as well. With even Italy opening back up again for tourists in two weeks, it seems to me that governments who still renew quarantines at this time are risking a serious competitive disadvantage.
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun May 17, 2020 1:30 pm

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While my SAL trips have been impacted ex-LAX due to repeated cancellations, I did book myself on LH from LAX to MUC on June 4th after getting a cancellation with them on DFW to FRA for that day. Seems to me that they'll proceed now come hell or high water, looking forward to the A350.
Germany seems to be easing the lockdown. Or else, the Bundesliga wouldn't have resumed play this weekend. However, it all depends on whether the US travel restrictions will be lifted. As of right now, non-essential travel to and from the US is not permitted, and that is a federal issue.
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun May 17, 2020 5:14 pm

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I'm surprised that the region doesn't see stronger protests like much of Europe is currently experiencing and the parts of the US saw as well.

I live in Costa Rica permanently and my perception is that most citizens like me are strictly following all the recommendations commanded by health authorities. More I cannot say as I wouldn't turn this aviation forum into a political or social debate.
Speaking about aviation-wise, the opening of all the boundaries like both SJO are LIR will definitely depend on the progress of the disease. That date has been initially programmed by June 15th.

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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun May 17, 2020 6:06 pm

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On the other hand, LAX has the problem of an extended and possibly indefinite lockdown by the mayor of Los Angeles, which probably makes any international flight out of LA basically impossible.


There are zero restrictions at LAX for international flights. They come and go every day. I have operated several since March. Even air service to China has continued to operate during the pandemic.
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun May 17, 2020 6:09 pm

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ua900 wrote:
While my SAL trips have been impacted ex-LAX due to repeated cancellations, I did book myself on LH from LAX to MUC on June 4th after getting a cancellation with them on DFW to FRA for that day. Seems to me that they'll proceed now come hell or high water, looking forward to the A350.
Germany seems to be easing the lockdown. Or else, the Bundesliga wouldn't have resumed play this weekend. However, it all depends on whether the US travel restrictions will be lifted. As of right now, non-essential travel to and from the US is not permitted, and that is a federal issue.


Agreed, and I think that's a key issue why LH is somewhat holding off on serving places like DFW just yet but has already committed to serving a few UA hubs like LAX, ORD, and EWR. The minute EU citizens are allowed back into the US and US citizens are allowed back into the EU they'll be back in full force, the same thing will happen for LH in Latin America, where they have already committed to serving MEX and others will follow. They don't have much of a choice but to fly again as soon as possible so that they can stop bleeding so much money.

Per German minister of the interior Maas the current German travel warning that expires on June 15th will be replaced with a travel advisory, so that could become a date for the beginning of a gradual reopening.

SJOtoLIR wrote:
I live in Costa Rica permanently and my perception is that most citizens like me are strictly following all the recommendations commanded by health authorities. More I cannot say as I wouldn't turn this aviation forum into a political or social debate.
Speaking about aviation-wise, the opening of all the boundaries like both SJO and LIR will definitely depend on the progress of the disease. That date has been initially programmed by June 15th.

Regards.


Yes, out here most people are really good about physical distancing to 6 feet as well, and perhaps half the people wear masks. Hopefully, June 15th will hold for a number of places in LatAm / Central America / Europe so that things can gradually return to normal provided that the current progress visible in many regions holds up. The last three months have been surreal since we were always used to Central American travel for Semana Santa and late spring travel to Europe as well. It will be nice when can visit freely once more and see more planes in the skies again.
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun May 17, 2020 6:18 pm

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On the other hand, LAX has the problem of an extended and possibly indefinite lockdown by the mayor of Los Angeles, which probably makes any international flight out of LA basically impossible.


There are zero restrictions at LAX for international flights. They come and go every day. I have operated several since March. Even air service to China has continued to operate during the pandemic.
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun May 17, 2020 6:21 pm

One issue going forward with Central America is economic, including decline repatriation income and travel demand from US end. A recession/depression in the U.S. will have knock-on effects.
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun May 17, 2020 6:54 pm

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Per German minister of the interior Maas the current German travel warning that expires on June 15th will be replaced with a travel advisory, so that could become a date for the beginning of a gradual reopening.
Actually, the Interior Minister is Horst Seehofer. Heiko Maas is the Foreign Minister.
SJOtoLIR wrote:
I live in Costa Rica permanently and my perception is that most citizens like me are strictly following all the recommendations commanded by health authorities. More I cannot say as I wouldn't turn this aviation forum into a political or social debate.
As the only statement I'll do in that regard: the confinement has done me harm psychologically. And I'm not alone in that regard. I can't wait until restrictions have softened up enough for me to finally go on site to work, because work from home, as I have experienced, has been a stressful experience, though I am still happy to even have a job.
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There are zero restrictions at LAX for international flights. They come and go every day. I have operated several since March. Even air service to China has continued to operate during the pandemic.
Even for commercial passenger flights (except for in- and outbound repatriation flights)? Let's not forget that the federal government has closed its borders for non-essential travel. While of course, freight is being exchanged without any major issues on air, land and sea, it's a different thing with passenger travel right now. The lockdown in LA may only have an effect on international passenger flights once non-essential travel is permitted again by the federal government.
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun May 17, 2020 7:25 pm

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Even for commercial passenger flights (except for in- and outbound repatriation flights)? Let's not forget that the federal government has closed its borders for non-essential travel. While of course, freight is being exchanged without any major issues on air, land and sea, it's a different thing with passenger travel right now. The lockdown in LA may only have an effect on international passenger flights once non-essential travel is permitted again by the federal government.


As stated prior there are no restrictions on international commercial passenger arrivals at LAX.

Airlines like AF, KL, CI, BR, CA, CZ, BA, JL, NH, KE, OZ, CX, SQ, AM, Y4, etc have continued operating at LAX albeit with reduced schedules.

There is no federal ban that would bar air service into the U.S. As mentioned by Uplog we've maintained ongoing two-way passenger flights with China during the entire crisis.
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun May 17, 2020 8:22 pm

LTU932 wrote:
Actually, the Interior Minister is Horst Seehofer. Heiko Maas is the Foreign Minister.


Indeed, my bad :D

LTU932 wrote:
As the only statement I'll do in that regard: the confinement has done me harm psychologically. And I'm not alone in that regard.


:checkmark: :checkmark: :checkmark: I think we'll all be glad when this is over.

LTU932 wrote:
Let's not forget that the federal government has closed its borders for non-essential travel. While of course, freight is being exchanged without any major issues on air, land and sea, it's a different thing with passenger travel right now. The lockdown in LA may only have an effect on international passenger flights once non-essential travel is permitted again by the federal government.


I don't see any closed borders or even a prohibition on 'non-essential' travel from either the CDC or the State Department. I do see a Level 3 CDC advisory "recommending" to avoid it, and a State Department notice that restricts the entry of certain aliens with plenty of exceptions that "advises", "urges" and recommends that people "should" avoid international air travel. That notice then promptly switches to advice on what to do "if you decide to travel" but seems to put emphasis on "considering returning" and having a travel plan that does not rely on the U.S. government for assistance. I also don't see a precise definition of what constitutes non-essential travel. There are obvious categories when renewing passports on an emergency basis (e.g. death in the immediate family) but these aren't extended into other processes, e.g. that condition being a prerequisite to board or book a flight, cross a border, etc.

Given the sudden drop in demand, most people probably read that as if it were an order when in reality it's just a strong recommendation, but I think what really deters people from traveling internationally right now can be boiled down to two principal factors. Firstly, the need to potentially quarantine on *both* ends of the journey for up to 14 days. Most people don't take three-month trips. Secondly, most people only hold one passport, not good if the US bars EU citizens and if the EU bars US citizens. As a holder of multiple passports on both sides, that's not a problem for me or my family, but it effectively limits the amount of traffic and limits the airlines from spooling up again.

Once the CDC advisory changes, corporate travel policies will move accordingly, and many people who implemented the CDC advisory not to travel will once again take to the skies if they are confident enough.

Source CDC: https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/travel/notices/wa ... rus-global
Source DOS: https://travel.state.gov/content/travel ... issue.html

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As stated prior there are no restrictions on international commercial passenger arrivals at LAX.

Airlines like AF, KL, CI, BR, CA, CZ, BA, JL, NH, KE, OZ, CX, SQ, AM, Y4, etc have continued operating at LAX albeit with reduced schedules.

There is no federal ban that would bar air service into the U.S. As mentioned by Uplog we've maintained ongoing two-way passenger flights with China during the entire crisis.


Quite right, nor are there U.S. restrictions on departures. It's amazing to see that even in this situation the links between the regions were never fully severed, albeit just with one flight a day type minimal service.
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun May 17, 2020 9:09 pm

Rummaging among the Honduran airports web-site, the island of Utila is regularly served domestically from Roatan, La Ceiba and San Pedro Sula.
On the other hand, the island of Guanaja supports isolated flights from La Ceiba and Roatan.

Utila: UII
Guanaja: GJA
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed May 20, 2020 5:47 pm

I was looking at traffic movements at SAP & TGU. Right now (May 20 at 1:36 pm EST), there is a TUI Fly (JAF8331) 787-8 headed to SAP from HAM. Hopefully I'll see the contrail as it comes over here in Miami. Any of you know what this flight is about? Is there a sizable German population in Honduras that needs repatriation for a 787 to be sent? I'm going to guess this is a first visit of a Dreamliner to SAP? Any of my paisanos Hondureños know?
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu May 21, 2020 1:02 pm

skybird77 wrote:
I was looking at traffic movements at SAP & TGU. Right now (May 20 at 1:36 pm EST), there is a TUI Fly (JAF8331) 787-8 headed to SAP from HAM. Hopefully I'll see the contrail as it comes over here in Miami. Any of you know what this flight is about? Is there a sizable German population in Honduras that needs repatriation for a 787 to be sent? I'm going to guess this is a first visit of a Dreamliner to SAP? Any of my paisanos Hondureños know?



SAP has had some interesting airplanes because of the situation

2- 787-8 from Aeroméxico, medical supplys
1 - A350 Latam, humanitarian flight
1 - A350 Evelop, humanitarian flight
1 - 787-8 TUI Fly, humanitarian flight bringing some marine back to Honduras
2 - 747-400 Wamos
1 - 767-300 NEOS Air, humanitarian flight
1 - 777-200 Privelege Style, humanitarian flight

1 - 787-9 Air Europa, humanitarian flight (flying now to Honduras)

There has been a lot of flights from United and Spirit as Humanitarian flight

You can follow https://twitter.com/hn_spotters lots of info on the flights
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu May 21, 2020 1:24 pm

I've read multiple reports about the Boeing 787 from Aeromexico in Central America lately and carrying medical supplies.
Guatemala, Honduras and Costa Rica have seen this plane, in the past weeks. I think all these flights came from China.
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu May 21, 2020 6:36 pm

SJOtoLIR wrote:
I've read multiple reports about the Boeing 787 from Aeromexico in Central America lately and carrying medical supplies.
Guatemala, Honduras and Costa Rica have seen this plane, in the past weeks. I think all these flights came from China.


Yes they have also gone to the caribean and South America. Flight initially departs from Shangai stop on Mexico for crew Change and head to the rest of America. Aeroméxico won a contract from DHL for the transport of Medical Supplies.

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Thu May 21, 2020 7:26 pm

Speaking about these 787s, the medical supplies were properly packed among their seats, in the overhead compartment and in the baggage area.
Many airlines around the world have temporarily transformed thier wide-bodies, in order to grab a chunk of the cargo component.
This wasn't the case of AeroMexico, where their seats weren't removed at all.
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu May 21, 2020 7:30 pm

SJOtoLIR wrote:
Speaking about these 787s, the medical supplies were properly packed among their seats, in the overhead compartment and in the baggage area.
Many airlines around the world have temporarily transformed thier wide-bodies, in order to grab a chunk of the cargo component.
This wasn't the case of Aeromexico, where their seats weren't removed at all.


I was on both Aeromexico flights and boxes where 2 on each seat in Economy, non on Business and there where 11 pallets on the cargo bay.

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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu May 21, 2020 9:43 pm

Avianca Peru is definitely closing all their international operations and affecting the following regional routes: AV LIM-SAL 14x weekly and AV LIM-SJO 7x weekly.


AV MIA-MGA-SAL 7x weekly goes from 320 to 321. Effective: August 01st.


AF CDG-SJO 3x weekly won't be in service till March 2021. The French flagship carrier had initially requested the suspension of all their operations in Costa Rica.
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu May 21, 2020 10:36 pm

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Avianca Peru is definitely closing all their international operations and affecting the following regional routes: AV LIM-SAL 14x weekly and AV LIM-SJO 7x weekly.
Odd that route feeder SAL hub from LIM would go.
Maybe it won't be operated by Avianca Peru anymore but flown by Avianca El Salvador.
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri May 22, 2020 2:21 am

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Maybe it won't be operated by Avianca Peru anymore but flown by Avianca El Salvador.

Perhaps AV SAL-BOG and then AV BOG-LIM would be the solution, given the closure of the hub in Peru.
AV SAL-LIM looked as a solid route into the network, given how they connected most inbound flights coming from North America through SAL to Peru and beyond. Even the 330 was utilized regularly in such route.
No doubts that AV SAL-LIM performed better than AV SJO-LIM.
As of May19th, the airline closed reservations on following routes: AV LIM-EZE, AV LIM-CUZ, AV LIM-GYE, AV LIM-UIO, AV LIM-MIA, AV LIM-GIG, AV LIM-GRU, AV LIM-SCL, AV LIM-SAL and AV LIM-SJO.

Related link:

https://www.reportur.com/aerolineas/2020/05/10/cierra-avianca-peru-inicia-proceso-disolucion-liquidacion/

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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun May 24, 2020 12:37 am

Copa Airlines has undisclosed their intended plans for the resumption of their activities, pending Government approval.
Only the routes operated out of Panama City are listed here.

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Analysis:

    The Panamanian flagship carrier is programming their routes in four different stages: June, July, August and September by now.

    All the airports of Argentina would be opened until September.

    Their weekly frequencies look like very limited from the very beginning. We would expect an increase, depending on the demand of passengers later.

    Various routes served regularly from Panama City are not listed in this schedule: Mendoza, Salta, Nassau, Barbados, Manaos, Recife, Salvador de Bahia, Liberia, Belize City, Cucuta, San Andres Island, Santiago de los Caballeros, Boston, Denver, Las Vegas, Ft. Lauderdale, New Orleans, Tampa, Puerto Vallarta and Chiclayo.

 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun May 24, 2020 1:15 am

Is Panama government going to bail out Copa? I just don't see how they can get through this without govt help if north to south America traffic is down this much for a prolonged period of time. They seem to depend on connection even more than avianca.
 
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Sun May 24, 2020 2:27 am

CM of course is needing the resumption of their activities as soon as possible.
However, the local Government authorized the opening of PTY till June 22nd.
That would depend if everything is going under control, in terms of the sanitary control.
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun May 24, 2020 2:37 am

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Is Panama government going to bail out Copa? I just don't see how they can get through this without govt help if north to south America traffic is down this much for a prolonged period of time. They seem to depend on connection even more than avianca.
CM has repeatedly said that because its finances, it will not ask Panama's Government for a bail-out.
I do believe that the only thing CM will ask the government (that's, Tocumen airport) is going to be to negotiate the fees it'll owe the airport for keeping its planes parked in PTY tarmac for weeks.
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun May 24, 2020 2:54 am

Air Europa plans to return to PTY on July 15. Air France (passenger flights) don't have an exact date, but the cargo flights will start on May 26 3 times a week:

Aunque no tienen una fecha definida para retomar sus vuelos hacía Centroamérica, Antoine Cross, gerente de país del grupo aéreo KLM-AirFrance, comentó que Panamá será el primer mercado que abrirán en la región. “Operaríamos primero en Panamá para aprovechar la red de conexiones de Copa Airlines”. Igual pensamiento tiene Air Europa, que el jueves informó que proyectan regresar al aeropuerto de Tocumen desde el 15 de julio. Carlos Conde, gerente comercial de Air Europa en Panamá y Centroamérica, señaló que el grupo que tiene su base en Madrid retomaría vuelos a Panamá con dos frecuencias a la semana - martes y sábados - utilizando un modelo 787 Dreamliner de Boeing.


More details at: https://www.prensa.com/impresa/economia ... sde-junio/

Aeropuerto Tocumen
La Aerolínea @airfrance anunció que iniciará operaciones de vuelos de carga en el Aeropuerto Internacional de Tocumen, ruta Paris-Panamá, Panamá-Paris a partir del martes 26 de mayo. Las frecuencia serán los martes jueves y sábado con su aeronave B777/300

https://twitter.com/tocumenaero/status/ ... 6051784706
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun May 24, 2020 3:00 am

tphuang wrote:
Is Panama government going to bail out Copa? I just don't see how they can get through this without govt help if north to south America traffic is down this much for a prolonged period of time. They seem to depend on connection even more than avianca.


So far CM has stated that they are not seeking a governmental loan as the Panamanian government has many things that have higher priority. They sold last month $350 million in bonds (convertible to stock) and they have a line of credit for another $300 million which they haven't touched yet. Plus the cash on hand.

Copa said it has $1.13 billion in cash but expects to run through more than $750 million in the next nine months.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/panamas- ... 16415.html

Here is an interview with Pedro Heilbron with La Prensa:
https://twitter.com/prensacom/status/12 ... 7500895232
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun May 24, 2020 4:25 pm

United Airlines has been working to repatriate regional travelers who are stranded in the United States, in the wake of the novel coronavirus crisis.
There are reports from several flights originated out of Houston to Guatemala City, San Pedro Sula, Tegucigalpa, Roatan, San Salvador, Panama City and San Jose.
Delta and America Airlines have also contributed on operating some flights linking the United States and Central America during the emergency months.
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun May 24, 2020 4:33 pm

Is CM returning to BOS or dropping the route?
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun May 24, 2020 4:43 pm

georgiabill wrote:
Is CM returning to BOS or dropping the route?

The current status of CM PTY-BOS is: temporarily suspended.
No more official info in this regard by now, as far as I know.
Same with the rest of the stations listed on my earlier quote.

Regards,
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun May 24, 2020 4:46 pm

georgiabill wrote:
Is CM returning to BOS or dropping the route?
Schedule changes usually happen for Early November (change from Daylight Savings time to Standard Time), so one could guess but Thanksgiving this year CM might be back in BOS.
IMHO, MSY and TPA could be CM's U.S. destinations last to get back to its network, LAS and FLL may get CM back before them.
FLL does have good O/D demand Mondays, Thursdays, Fridays and Sundays.
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun May 24, 2020 4:47 pm

Ty for the info. Hopefully they will return later this year or 2021
 
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Sun May 24, 2020 4:47 pm

deleted. Sorry for double post
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun May 24, 2020 4:56 pm

georgiabill wrote:
Is CM returning to BOS or dropping the route?


Earlier information in the weekly OAG thread stated that they will return to BOS by late November:
6 COPA Routes suspended till NOV
*CM BOS-PTY JUN 1.0>0[1.6] JUL 1.0>0[1.6] AUG 1.0>0[1.3] SEP 1.0>0[1.0] OCT 1.0>0[1.0] NOV 1.0>0.4[1.0]
*CM DEN-PTY JUN 0.6>0[0.6] JUL 0.6>0[0.6] AUG 0.6>0[0.6] SEP 0.4>0[0.4] OCT 0.5>0[0.4] NOV 0.6>0.2[0.6]
*CM FLL-PTY JUN 0.8>0[0.7] JUL 0.9>0[1.0] AUG 0.9>0[1.0] SEP 1.0>0[0.8] OCT 1.0>0[0.6] NOV 1.0>0.4[0.8]
CM IAD-PTY JUN 2>0.5[2] JUL 3>1.0[3] AUG 2>1.0[2] SEP 2>1.0[2] OCT 2>1.0[2] NOV 2>1.4[1.9]
CM JFK-PTY JUN 3>0.5[3] JUL 3>1.0[4] AUG 3>1.0[3] SEP 3>1.0[3] OCT 3>1.0[3] NOV 3>1.7[3]
*CM LAS-PTY JUN 0.9>0[1.0] JUL 1.0>0[1.0] AUG 0.9>0[1.0] SEP 0.7>0[0.7] OCT 0.7>0[0.7] NOV 1.0>0.4[0.9]
CM LAX-PTY JUN 3>0.5[3] JUL 3>0.6[4] AUG 3>0.6[3] SEP 3>0.6[3] OCT 3>0.5[3] NOV 3>1.5[3]
CM MCO-PTY JUN 5>0.5[5] JUL 5>0.7[5] AUG 5>0.7[5] SEP 5>0.7[5] OCT 5>0.7[4] NOV 5>2[5]
CM MIA-PTY JUN 6>0.6[6] JUL 6>1.0[6] AUG 6>1.0[6] SEP 6>1.0[6] OCT 6>1.0[6] NOV 6>3[6]
*CM MSY-PTY JUN 0.5>0[0.6] JUL 0.4>0[0.6] AUG 0.5>0[0.5] SEP 0.5>0[0.5] OCT 0.6>0[0.6] NOV 0.6>0.2[0.6]
CM ORD-PTY JUN 1.9>0.2[2] JUL 2>0.5[3] AUG 2>0.4[2] SEP 2>0.4[1.8] OCT 2>0.4[1.8] NOV 2>1.0[1.7]
CM PTY-SFO JUN 1.9>0.0[2] JUL 2>0.3[2] AUG 1.7>0.3[1.7] SEP 1.7>0.3[1.7] OCT 1.7>0.3[1.7] NOV 1.7>0.8[1.7]
*CM PTY-TPA JUN 0.9>0[1.0] JUL 0.9>0[1.0] AUG 0.7>0[0.7] SEP 0.7>0[0.6] OCT 0.7>0[0.4] NOV 0.7>0.3[0.6]

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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun May 24, 2020 4:59 pm

CM had previously reported that they would resume their services, allowing no more than 10% of the original operations before the crisis.
It's expected a low demand of passengers from June 26th, a high level of cancelations as well as a lot of restrictions for travelers, in different countries.
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun May 24, 2020 5:11 pm

Kilgen wrote:
in the weekly OAG thread stated that they will return to BOS by late November:

That sounds good !
I wasn't aware of that.
There are also movements in November for Denver, Ft. Lauderdale, New Orleans, Tampa and Las Vegas.
Regards.
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue May 26, 2020 11:21 pm

Looking at the statistics for PTY for April, it was a bloodbath:
http://tocumenpanama.aero/transparencia ... br2020.pdf
2020 vs 2019 and difference in %
total: 1,346,233 vs 2,380 = -99.82%
arrivals: 188,830  vs 0 = -100%
departures: 183,269 vs 560 = -99.69%
arrivals (transit): 482,869 vs 865  = -99.82%
departure (transit) 491,265 vs 955 = -99.80%
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue May 26, 2020 11:43 pm

Is TAG still in business?
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed May 27, 2020 12:20 pm

Dieuwer wrote:
Is TAG still in business?


Yes, but grounded, they have being offering cargo flights

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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed May 27, 2020 3:33 pm

Panama is to lift some of its quarantine restrictions from Jun 1st, keeping curfew between 1900 and 0500 and people movements restrictions between some areas of the country.
Would this mean that if there's some kind of demand for CM E190 PTY-DAV-PTY, CM would think about flying the route, at least daily?
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed May 27, 2020 6:55 pm

DAV has been included into the first stage of the resumption of the routes flown by Copa Airlines.
For the first time, CM PTY-DAV was announced as 2x weekly.
The rest of the stations programmed by June are: BOG, CLO, CCS, CUR, GUA, GRU, GYE, HAV, JFK, LIM, LAX, MAR, MEX, MIA, MCO, UIO, SJO, SAP, SCL, SDQ, TGU and IAD.
 
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Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu May 28, 2020 4:21 pm

SJOtoLIR wrote:
For the first time, CM PTY-DAV was announced as 2x weekly.

I would elaborate my earlier point better: airlines are expecting just a 10% from the original demand of traffic, once the confinment would be lifted softly.
We'd probably see a low speed related to the recover of the former traffic worldwide.
On the other hand, the epicenter of such disease seems to be now sadly focused in Latin America.
Analyzing the former schedule of Copa Airlines, a bulky route like CM PTY-HAV would be barely operated as 2x weekly from June 26th, when this pattern used to be flown as 42x weekly, in average.
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