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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Mar 09, 2020 8:46 pm

Rent a car. Drive to Murphysboro and get some 17th Street Barbecue.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Mar 09, 2020 9:51 pm

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Rent a car. Drive to Murphysboro and get some 17th Street Barbecue.


Not a fan of BBQ but thanks for the tip!
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Mar 10, 2020 1:48 am

With the caveat that it is Florida and spring break.

My SY flight on Thursday to RSW was about 98% full
MY WN flight tonight (Monday) from TPA was 82% full

EDIT: I would also say the amount of college kids on the flights were minimal. But there were some families, obviously.
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Mar 10, 2020 1:49 am

Thank you for all the insights. Is the coronavirus affecting STL airport numbers or flights this month? I'm guessing not since the outbreak here is not too bad.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:26 am

How was the "new" Sun Country?
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:27 am

Jshank83 wrote:
With the caveat that it is Florida and spring break.

My SY flight on Thursday to RSW was about 98% full
MY WN flight tonight (Monday) from TPA was 82% full

EDIT: I would also say the amount of college kids on the flights were minimal. But there were some families, obviously.

MO high schools and colleges are off next week, so you will see the party crowd then I would think.
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:42 am

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How was the "new" Sun Country?


It was good. I would fly them again. I ended up being moved to the "best' seats, which I would compare to economy plus on legacy airlines. They came with extra leg room, usb and normal power outlets, one alcoholic drink and some pretzels.

All seats have USB power and get free non alcoholic drinks. They sell alcoholic drinks and better snacks (Pringles, beef jerky, etc) for extra. They also have steam to device movies and tv shows. Mix of new (like Joker) and old movies (like Home Alone).

They also give free bags to non active military which I feel is different. It seems like it is only active on most airlines, but I could be wrong about this.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:46 am

With amazon now here it should be a easier choice for privatization. The cargo city idea would work out well. Fedex, UPS, and Amazon could all move over there and make a pretty big and nice area for it.

Maybe even utilize the shoddy runway that shouldn't have been built.
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Tue Mar 10, 2020 4:46 am

Sun Country seems pretty good. Sounds like they are doing things to keep up with the joneses. When you say stream to device - is it on wifi now or still via the hand held little tablets? Just wanted to clarify.
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Tue Mar 10, 2020 11:14 am

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With amazon now here it should be a easier choice for privatization. The cargo city idea would work out well. Fedex, UPS, and Amazon could all move over there and make a pretty big and nice area for it.

Maybe even utilize the shoddy runway that shouldn't have been built.


The airlines and local businesses did not want privatization and still don't. The "shoddy" runway was needed at the time. I've used it several times when flying DL or UA.
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Mar 10, 2020 12:31 pm

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Sun Country seems pretty good. Sounds like they are doing things to keep up with the joneses. When you say stream to device - is it on wifi now or still via the hand held little tablets? Just wanted to clarify.


WiFi. So it’s on your own device. It worked fine on my phone and laptop. Lady next to me had it on her iPad. They don’t have internet options just the entertainment they have loaded. It’s on from gate to gate.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Mar 10, 2020 1:20 pm

OzarkD9S wrote:
rturner wrote:

With amazon now here it should be a easier choice for privatization. The cargo city idea would work out well. Fedex, UPS, and Amazon could all move over there and make a pretty big and nice area for it.

Maybe even utilize the shoddy runway that shouldn't have been built.


The airlines and local businesses did not want privatization and still don't. The "shoddy" runway was needed at the time. I've used it several times when flying DL or UA.


Arguably needed.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Mar 10, 2020 10:43 pm

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Arguably needed.


The original parallel runways were too close together for simultaneous take-offs/landings during certain conditions. TWA at the time was running over 500 flights a day. When the weather went south, so did operations. At the time, no one could foresee the demise of the hub, so YES it was needed. No argument...at that time. Hindsight is always 20/20.
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Mar 10, 2020 11:03 pm

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TVNWZ wrote:

Arguably needed.


The original parallel runways were too close together for simultaneous take-offs/landings during certain conditions. TWA at the time was running over 500 flights a day. When the weather went south, so did operations. At the time, no one could foresee the demise of the hub, so YES it was needed. No argument...at that time. Hindsight is always 20/20.


And W1W was already fully underway at the time of the TW acquisition by AA. Those new runways became very valuable when the airport did some runway and taxi work on 30R12L this past year.
They'll serve the airport well in the future as well as they do today. DL and UA use 29 for departures and 11 for arrivals pretty frequently. It saves them significant taxi times.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Mar 10, 2020 11:06 pm

I haven't looked and I'm not as a "up to date" on the schedules so I couldn't tell you if it's regular or not, but has anyone noticed any cuts to service ....specifically Delta, United to STL?

Just curious.
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Mar 10, 2020 11:39 pm

rturner wrote:
With amazon now here it should be a easier choice for privatization. The cargo city idea would work out well. Fedex, UPS, and Amazon could all move over there and make a pretty big and nice area for it.

Maybe even utilize the shoddy runway that shouldn't have been built.


The shoddy runway was 12 years into development by the time of the first big drawdown in November 2003. Hindsight is 20/20. No one could have predicted TWA failing or 9/11, which hastened STL's demise as a hub. The great recession of 2008/2009 was the final nail in the coffin for the hub.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Mar 11, 2020 12:37 am

stlgph wrote:
I haven't looked and I'm not as a "up to date" on the schedules so I couldn't tell you if it's regular or not, but has anyone noticed any cuts to service ....specifically Delta, United to STL?

Just curious.


For April the only UA change is one less ORD Frequency

DL took away one ATL Frequency but I haven’t looked any further than that. SLC/LGA/CVG looked unchanged. Not sure on MSP and DTW
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Mar 11, 2020 1:13 pm

I haven't looked at other airlines prices but AA is offering STL to LGA and DCA for just $78 one way as close in as 3/23.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Mar 11, 2020 1:50 pm

PhilMcCrackin wrote:
rturner wrote:
With amazon now here it should be a easier choice for privatization. The cargo city idea would work out well. Fedex, UPS, and Amazon could all move over there and make a pretty big and nice area for it.

Maybe even utilize the shoddy runway that shouldn't have been built.


The shoddy runway was 12 years into development by the time of the first big drawdown in November 2003. Hindsight is 20/20. No one could have predicted TWA failing or 9/11, which hastened STL's demise as a hub. The great recession of 2008/2009 was the final nail in the coffin for the hub.


It was absolutely an issue when being planned. TWA was on thin ice for years. There was considerable dissent within the city administration not to mention Bridgeton. Meetings in Bridgeton were packed and angry. It was a boondoggle then to destroy a vibrant suburb for the runway, and its a boondoggle now that's holding back true upgraded development of the airport.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Mar 11, 2020 2:11 pm

Vibrant isn't the adjective I'd use to describe north county. It was needed then, it was an almost 15 year long project that was two years from completion by the time AA had the first big drawdown, and it's not going anywhere.
 
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Wed Mar 11, 2020 2:54 pm

I didn't call North County vibrant. I called Bridgeton vibrant. Members of my family lived there.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 2:32 am

So why was the morning AA flight cancelled to LAX today but not the one tomorrow? Seems kinda odd.
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 2:40 am

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So why was the morning AA flight cancelled to LAX today but not the one tomorrow? Seems kinda odd.

No clue. Mx issue? Maybe wait and see tomorrow morning if 453 is again cancelled.
I am flying to ECP tomorrow. I have a list preferred with companion. My wife is A 20. My daughter checked in 15 minutes ago and is A 48 for a flight that should be full. Maybe they are cancelling and consolidating flights?
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 3:31 am

This WN extension tomorrow could be interesting. But I’m guessing it will be pretty boring. Probably too far out for them to plan big network changes due to the last week.
 
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Thu Mar 12, 2020 1:59 pm

No new routes from WN today, not surprising. I'll go thru the entire schedule tonight and let you know what I find.
 
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Thu Mar 12, 2020 2:02 pm

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This WN extension tomorrow could be interesting. But I’m guessing it will be pretty boring. Probably too far out for them to plan big network changes due to the last week.


Not seeing any new routes. Did notice that the 2nd daily SEA was just seasonal and goes back to 1 daily. SLC not coming back. BOS stays at 5 daily, MKE & AUS stay at 3 daily and PIT stays at 2 daily.
 
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Thu Mar 12, 2020 2:33 pm

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Jshank83 wrote:
This WN extension tomorrow could be interesting. But I’m guessing it will be pretty boring. Probably too far out for them to plan big network changes due to the last week.


Not seeing any new routes. Did notice that the 2nd daily SEA was just seasonal and goes back to 1 daily. SLC not coming back. BOS stays at 5 daily, MKE & AUS stay at 3 daily and PIT stays at 2 daily.


STL-SLC shows up for me except on Saturdays in October
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 2:34 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
pmanni1 wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
This WN extension tomorrow could be interesting. But I’m guessing it will be pretty boring. Probably too far out for them to plan big network changes due to the last week.


Not seeing any new routes. Did notice that the 2nd daily SEA was just seasonal and goes back to 1 daily. SLC not coming back. BOS stays at 5 daily, MKE & AUS stay at 3 daily and PIT stays at 2 daily.


STL-SLC shows up for me except on Saturdays


Good Lord, don't scare me like this! I really have liked the WN add of SLC.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 2:36 pm

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Jshank83 wrote:
pmanni1 wrote:

Not seeing any new routes. Did notice that the 2nd daily SEA was just seasonal and goes back to 1 daily. SLC not coming back. BOS stays at 5 daily, MKE & AUS stay at 3 daily and PIT stays at 2 daily.


STL-SLC shows up for me except on Saturdays


Good Lord, don't scare me like this! I really have liked the WN add of SLC.


It'll be on-again-off-again. Not as unstable as PBI or SNA (when they lasted) but definitely not too competitive with DL.
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Thu Mar 12, 2020 2:45 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
pmanni1 wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
This WN extension tomorrow could be interesting. But I’m guessing it will be pretty boring. Probably too far out for them to plan big network changes due to the last week.


Not seeing any new routes. Did notice that the 2nd daily SEA was just seasonal and goes back to 1 daily. SLC not coming back. BOS stays at 5 daily, MKE & AUS stay at 3 daily and PIT stays at 2 daily.


STL-SLC shows up for me except on Saturdays in October


Yep, you are correct. I randomly chose Tues Sept 15 and Mon Oct 5 to look at and its not there. Looks like it starts back Oct 8th.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 2:46 pm

maps4ltd wrote:
TWA302 wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:

STL-SLC shows up for me except on Saturdays


Good Lord, don't scare me like this! I really have liked the WN add of SLC.


It'll be on-again-off-again. Not as unstable as PBI or SNA (when they lasted) but definitely not too competitive with DL.


I think had the max been in the air it wouldn’t have went away. It was originally in the summer schedule. It’s just an easy MAX cut. Longer route like many of the cuts. Sna is only gone because of slots there. Our O&D there is one of the highest unserved routes. Might be the highest.
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 2:47 pm

pmanni1 wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
pmanni1 wrote:

Not seeing any new routes. Did notice that the 2nd daily SEA was just seasonal and goes back to 1 daily. SLC not coming back. BOS stays at 5 daily, MKE & AUS stay at 3 daily and PIT stays at 2 daily.


STL-SLC shows up for me except on Saturdays in October


Yep, you are correct. I randomly chose Tues Sept 15 and Mon Oct 5 to look at and its not there. Looks like it starts back Oct 8th.


Lots of differences between the 2. Cun is Saturday only at first then goes to daily in October. I’ll have to go thru both.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Mar 13, 2020 2:20 am

Southwest frequencies for new August extension:

Note: Sept/Oct are different. Usually entire extension is same. This is just August

Flights - change from August 2019
Mon-Fri 123 +5
Sat 86 +4
Sun 136 +16
Total per week 837 +45 (5.7%)

Sunday has a 2nd flight to OAK added. 4th to Austin and 5th to Phx

PUJ/MBJ go away for the season. SLC comes back in September.

Scroll to the far right tabs.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Mar 13, 2020 10:59 am

Jshank83 wrote:

Southwest frequencies for new August extension:

Note: Sept/Oct are different. Usually entire extension is same. This is just August

Flights - change from August 2019
Mon-Fri 123 +5
Sat 86 +4
Sun 136 +16
Total per week 837 +45 (5.7%)

Sunday has a 2nd flight to OAK added. 4th to Austin and 5th to Phx

PUJ/MBJ go away for the season. SLC comes back in September.

Scroll to the far right tabs.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing


Interesting. I wonder if other mid-continent WN "hubs" are experiencing similar boosts even during WN's aircraft shortage. Moving away from long/thin routes to beef up connecting possibilities perhaps?
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Mar 13, 2020 2:22 pm

It will be interesting to see the Southwest Airlines of 5-10 years from now. Do they cut back on longer stage lengths and put more reliance on Chicago, St Louis, Nashville and Denver, especially with Denver getting 16 gates.

Do they shift a majority of their focus to Denver and start skipping/overflying St Louis and Nashville.

Do they put a priority on flights out of Chicago to the strongest, primary business markets and move "the B-List"" to say St. Louis and Nashville?

Do they step out of their comfort zones and add smaller cities such as say Billings, Sioux Falls, Springfield/Branson, Fargo, where FSD, SGF and FAR could fly west to Denver and then say east to STL?
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Mar 16, 2020 3:50 am

I know this is the furthest thing from peoples minds right now and it could change between now and then but you actually can book round trip to Maui in the newest WN extension. I booked a trip for the end of August. HNL out OGG back. It does have 2 stops back but every option on other airlines is a red eye for the day I wanted to return from Maui.

Anyway. Like I said who knows if things will be back to normal by then, I pray they are. But I wanted to pass it along that it is at least possible now if the schedule holds.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Mar 16, 2020 7:54 pm

stl07 wrote:

Yes, I would love a report.


And here it is:

When I originally booked the flights both directions were Tecnams. But I got the CNA on the way down and the TEC(?) on the way back so this will be more of a comparison than anticipated.

Today, 03/16/20. STL-MWA-STL

STL: A ghost town. My Cape Air CNA left gate C7 about 15 minutes late, only pax on the plane with one pilot. Started moving about 8:35am instead of 8:15. There was an AA flight to CLT that left before us out of C6 across the hall. 3 pax total as far as I could tell. Ouch.

Took off from runway 12R was airborne quickly and banked right flying directly over C concourse just past the elbow. Better view of the C/D concourses than anything on Google Earth! Overcast day and we leveled off below the clouds. After we passed the Mississippi the view became boring because, well, Southern Illinois. The CNA seemed a bit rickety, and didn't seem to like the light chop that well but nothing major. Landed on runway 20. Great view out of the cockpit even though I was 4 rows back. Weights and balances and all that. Tail mounted cameras may be sweet on an A350 but they can't compare to the real thing.

MWA: Pleasant, modern little airfield. Exited outside security. Nice waiting area with a couple of vending machines (beverages in one, junk food in the other). Not the worst two hours I've spent in an airport by any means. Went through security at 11:05-ish for my 11:35am departure. The secured area had no vending machines or visible restrooms but looked like it could seat 50-60 people. Some charging stations as well. Then the TEC pulled up! Two people got off but were shown to the secured area. They also got back on to STL. BNA-MWA-STL thru pax?

Time to board and I was first on. NEW AIRPLANE SMELL! Sat directly behind the pilot. We had a co-pilot on this one. 8 out 9 pax seats filled. Don't see those load factors right now. Engines started and the pilots were doing some last minute checklist stuff. They hadn't released the breaks yet but the TEC jerked foward and backwards ever so slightly a few times, almost as if the plane couldn't wait to get moving again. Weird. Took off basically on-time at 11:40am or so from runway 29. The windows seemed a tad too high for the height of the seat, but much better that than the wretched window placement of the CRJ. Went above the clouds on this one and the TEC handled the light chops much smoother than the CNA. Landed in STL on runway 11.

Certainly worth the experience today, two new aircraft types for me even if one is borderline ancient and the other nearly factory fresh. By all means, give the TEC a try if possible. Sorry no pics but you're on a sight full of them. ;)

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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Mar 16, 2020 8:19 pm

Yikes! 3 people on the AA flight.

I was scheduled to fly today on AA to LAX and it took a lot of will power to give up a seat in F that I received even though I booked in basic economy. Yea, not going there after hearing the even the screeners have gotten the virus
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Mar 16, 2020 8:34 pm

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Yikes! 3 people on the AA flight.

I was scheduled to fly today on AA to LAX and it took a lot of will power to give up a seat in F that I received even though I booked in basic economy. Yea, not going there after hearing the even the screeners have gotten the virus


Probably a wise move. I really wasn't that close to anyone even on the almost full TEC. Took my hand sanitizer and used some basic common sense. Plus my routings weren't to and from hotbeds of the virus (just yet). Gonna lay low until this mess dies down though. Still....totally worth it.
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Mar 17, 2020 1:35 pm

Traffic down 30-40%. I can't imagine any airport worldwide posting any traffic gains this year. https://www.stltoday.com/business/local ... 7fa37.html
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Mar 17, 2020 3:59 pm

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I didn't call North County vibrant. I called Bridgeton vibrant. Members of my family lived there.


And I said no part of north county is "vibrant" least of all Bridgeton - it's all a craphole.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Mar 17, 2020 4:15 pm

Come on
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Tue Mar 17, 2020 6:00 pm

Trans States just went tits up. They'll end it all on April 1.
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Tue Mar 17, 2020 7:39 pm

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Trans States just went tits up. They'll end it all on April 1.

Not all surprised they are ending it early.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Mar 17, 2020 8:04 pm

What is the scope/size of their STL operations?

And when it comes to corporate, did most of them go to work for GoJet or get switched over? Just curious what the hard numbers were.
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Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:43 pm

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What is the scope/size of their STL operations?

And when it comes to corporate, did most of them go to work for GoJet or get switched over? Just curious what the hard numbers were.

Somebody posted the “memo to employees” on Facebook and it said something about all of the United Express carriers are facing big cuts so the AX employees that were going to transfer to the other “Holdings” companies probably will not have that opportunity at this time.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Mar 18, 2020 6:14 pm

No surprise UA cutting SFO for the time being.

https://hub.united.com/2020-03-17-unite ... 16655.html
 
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Wed Mar 18, 2020 10:28 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
No surprise UA cutting SFO for the time being.

https://hub.united.com/2020-03-17-unite ... 16655.html


WN still appears to be keeping service to the Bay area to SFO, OAK & SJC.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Mar 18, 2020 11:15 pm

pmanni1 wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
No surprise UA cutting SFO for the time being.

https://hub.united.com/2020-03-17-unite ... 16655.html


WN still appears to be keeping service to the Bay area to SFO, OAK & SJC.


They have announced 20% cuts, but they haven't said where yet.
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Mar 18, 2020 11:22 pm

Air Canada also cut for at least the first 2 weeks of April, guessing that will be extended.

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