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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Apr 23, 2020 3:14 pm

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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Apr 25, 2020 11:28 pm

AS is supposedly rerouting their SEA flight to SEA-STL-IND. Guess we get that STL-IND nonstop for awhile after all.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Apr 26, 2020 1:22 am

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AS is supposedly rerouting their SEA flight to SEA-STL-IND. Guess we get that STL-IND nonstop for awhile after all.


Is Contour still on?
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Sun Apr 26, 2020 4:38 am

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Jshank83 wrote:
AS is supposedly rerouting their SEA flight to SEA-STL-IND. Guess we get that STL-IND nonstop for awhile after all.


Is Contour still on?


No it’s been pulled from the schedule. I figured they are going to wait for things to rebound a bit before they start it. If they start it.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Apr 26, 2020 2:03 pm

This week's OAG massacre is out. Good Lord. I don't even know how to begin making sense of the WN ups and downs. I do see the AS STL-IND add though.
https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1445235
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat May 02, 2020 7:29 pm

Who is responsible for the STL wikipedia page? No one is updating the info and some people are deleting tons of information. Whoever is doing it, is ruining the Wikipedia page. Someone needs to fix it.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat May 02, 2020 7:46 pm

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Who is responsible for the STL wikipedia page? No one is updating the info and some people are deleting tons of information. Whoever is doing it, is ruining the Wikipedia page. Someone needs to fix it.

We have issues with a particular user for years who keeps deleting useful information and does not take consent from anyone
Instead of typing in "mods", consider using the report function.
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun May 03, 2020 2:00 am

Istria2020 wrote:
Who is responsible for the STL wikipedia page? No one is updating the info and some people are deleting tons of information. Whoever is doing it, is ruining the Wikipedia page. Someone needs to fix it.

One (or possible more) person was doing a really good job keeping it up to date but then got fed up with it getting screwed up and quit updating it.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun May 03, 2020 8:40 am

Istria2020 wrote:
Who is responsible for the STL wikipedia page? No one is updating the info and some people are deleting tons of information. Whoever is doing it, is ruining the Wikipedia page. Someone needs to fix it.

I got fed up with the one dude that others have mentioned and was tired of the constant back and forth with him regarding edits and the page essentially needing to conform to "their" (sub-par) standard via them constantly throwing around the Wikipedia content guidelines incorrectly, so I stopped caring like 8 months ago. Haven't been back since and feel a lot better about it. I may have an old version of the page source lying around somewhere from before his edits became super obtrusive if people want a revert.

It's rather ironic in a way, as the work I put in likely helped a lot in getting the page a better rating after I requested a page review, and it's now probably fallen back below that rating content-wise.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun May 03, 2020 5:27 pm

You can dial into the airport commission meeting on Wednesday.

https://www.stlouis-mo.gov/events/event ... t_ID=23420
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun May 03, 2020 6:56 pm

What's up with the inconsistences for diagrams/charts for Concourse C? I was on a random website the other day ... as I was just floating randomly through the internet, some charts had Gates C9, C15, C21 listed, others skip from C7 to C23, another has C17, then C15, 17, then 23. You go to Google maps and there are paintings for C9, C19, C21, etc. etc. I remember coming in and out of C19 and C9 on some flights many many years ago - 717 flights.

Was the gating sequence dependant upon aircraft scheduling as the 140s/145s were becoming more frequent for use on routes which were historically "mainline" or did the 717 fleet cause/allow a shifting in gate useage? I probably feel as though I know the answer to this and we discussed this here many moons ago but I'm entirely drawing a blank at the moment. Too many at home kegs, I guess.
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon May 04, 2020 4:16 am

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What's up with the inconsistences for diagrams/charts for Concourse C? I was on a random website the other day ... as I was just floating randomly through the internet, some charts had Gates C9, C15, C21 listed, others skip from C7 to C23, another has C17, then C15, 17, then 23. You go to Google maps and there are paintings for C9, C19, C21, etc. etc. I remember coming in and out of C19 and C9 on some flights many many years ago - 717 flights.

Was the gating sequence dependant upon aircraft scheduling as the 140s/145s were becoming more frequent for use on routes which were historically "mainline" or did the 717 fleet cause/allow a shifting in gate useage? I probably feel as though I know the answer to this and we discussed this here many moons ago but I'm entirely drawing a blank at the moment. Too many at home kegs, I guess.


Are these old or supposed to be up to date?

Alaska uses C15
Frontier uses C19 and C23
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon May 04, 2020 4:21 am

A couple stats. Not that they matter as much going forward now.

BLV was up 18% passengers year over year in January.

Load Factors for January for STL/BLV

WN SMF and G4 SFB were the only ones above 90% but January usually has lower loads than the rest of the year.

Full Spreadsheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... 8GiQE/edit
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon May 04, 2020 9:00 pm

J...these are older, dating back to the TWA and AA hub days.

I was wondering if C9 became a "thing" when AA started going RJ happy and the initial hub reduction allowing more space for parking.
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue May 05, 2020 4:04 am

stlgph wrote:
J...these are older, dating back to the TWA and AA hub days.

I was wondering if C9 became a "thing" when AA started going RJ happy and the initial hub reduction allowing more space for parking.


Looks like C9 was in use at least by 1996 and stayed around til 2010ish

I use this site to look at old imagery. Big gap before 1996 though.

https://www.historicaerials.com/viewer

I also find the 1971 image interesting. Shows another concourse coming off near the beginning of A to the west. Parts are still there. Not sure what they are used for now. Maybe storage.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue May 05, 2020 7:03 am

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I also find the 1971 image interesting. Shows another concourse coming off near the beginning of A to the west. Parts are still there. Not sure what they are used for now. Maybe storage.

Concourse A used to be the 'Blue' Concourse and had two separate concourse halls. AFAIK, the western Blue concourse structure still exists, but has been partially demolished and partially built over and from what I've seen driving past and from Google imagery it's been used mainly as parking for airport and airline vehicles and possibly maintenance shops as well.

Here's a cool airport diagram I found a while back dating from 1975 showing the original three concourses:

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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue May 05, 2020 1:26 pm

Trololzilla wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
I also find the 1971 image interesting. Shows another concourse coming off near the beginning of A to the west. Parts are still there. Not sure what they are used for now. Maybe storage.

Concourse A used to be the 'Blue' Concourse and had two separate concourse halls. AFAIK, the western Blue concourse structure still exists, but has been partially demolished and partially built over and from what I've seen driving past and from Google imagery it's been used mainly as parking for airport and airline vehicles and possibly maintenance shops as well.

Here's a cool airport diagram I found a while back dating from 1975 showing the original three concourses:

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Oh nice! Great find on the map. I think I’m going to post this on my twitter account. If you want a credit let me know your name on there.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue May 05, 2020 11:50 pm

March numbers for @flystl are out.

Passengers down 53% on the month
Down 18% on the year.

Cargo up 14%

https://www.flystl.com/uploads/document ... r-ATAR.pdf
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed May 06, 2020 1:49 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
March numbers for @flystl are out.

Passengers down 53% on the month
Down 18% on the year.

Cargo up 14%

https://www.flystl.com/uploads/document ... r-ATAR.pdf


I guess the uptick in cargo is a good thing. Should be able to release April soon. Not much to calculate. I am going to say April traffic down 88%
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed May 06, 2020 1:52 pm

TWA302 wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
March numbers for @flystl are out.

Passengers down 53% on the month
Down 18% on the year.

Cargo up 14%

https://www.flystl.com/uploads/document ... r-ATAR.pdf


I guess the uptick in cargo is a good thing. Should be able to release April soon. Not much to calculate. I am going to say April traffic down 88%


I think down 88% is optimistic. Im going to guess over 90%. But I hope you are closer than me on it.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed May 06, 2020 3:09 pm

UA claimed that they expected to have ~ same number of flights in the entire month of May 2020 as in a single day in May 2019. Extrapolating, that would be a reduction of around 96%.
 
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Wed May 06, 2020 3:09 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
TWA302 wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
March numbers for @flystl are out.

Passengers down 53% on the month
Down 18% on the year.

Cargo up 14%

https://www.flystl.com/uploads/document ... r-ATAR.pdf


I guess the uptick in cargo is a good thing. Should be able to release April soon. Not much to calculate. I am going to say April traffic down 88%


I think down 88% is optimistic. Im going to guess over 90%. But I hope you are closer than me on it.


If it makes you feel any better even the big airports are seeing major declines. I live right by DCA and it's normally crazy busy in the morning and around evening rush hour. Right now the planes are few and far between. March numbers down 56%
https://www.mwaa.com/sites/default/file ... 5.1.20.pdf

I actually think mid-continent airports like STL will bounce back faster than some of the east coast hubs.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed May 06, 2020 3:49 pm

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UA claimed that they expected to have ~ same number of flights in the entire month of May 2020 as in a single day in May 2019. Extrapolating, that would be a reduction of around 96%.


They are only running 2 flights a day from STL right now. Both to ORD.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed May 06, 2020 8:47 pm

Airport commission meeting update from today.

New social media person, so if you interact with their twitter it is a different person now.

Budget talk. A lot of unknowns. They have to have a budget but really can't forecast what it will be in the end. There will be adjustments throughout the year. This is subject to change.

Deferring minimum guarantees for concessions for the next 3 months.

Cost cutting updates:
Parking Lots B, D, E closed.
Gates E34-E40 closed.
Deferred $20.4 mil in capital projects
Offering car rental companies option to lease space in lots to park their cars.
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu May 07, 2020 1:43 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
TWA302 wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
March numbers for @flystl are out.

Passengers down 53% on the month
Down 18% on the year.

Cargo up 14%

https://www.flystl.com/uploads/document ... r-ATAR.pdf


I guess the uptick in cargo is a good thing. Should be able to release April soon. Not much to calculate. I am going to say April traffic down 88%


I think down 88% is optimistic. Im going to guess over 90%. But I hope you are closer than me on it.


Given the loads I saw on the STL Dept flights in April, you'd be right some had load factors of 2% or less.
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun May 10, 2020 3:52 am

AA seems to be parking 737-800s at STL. 15 on the ground. More coming tomorrow. Probably doing some maintenance also.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun May 10, 2020 2:58 pm

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AA seems to be parking 737-800s at STL. 15 on the ground. More coming tomorrow. Probably doing some maintenance also.


That's the most AA planes on the ground at STL since 2009! I guess TUL has enough work with all of that metal down there.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon May 11, 2020 11:35 pm

Still subject to change but I went thru the week of June 15th schedules.

Monday June 15th scheduled flights

Southwest: 68
AA: 16
Delta: 4
UA: 3
Total across all airlines: 116

A couple weird quirks for Southwest.
Sacramento and San Jose go up to 2x a day. Salt Lake City had been suspended but now it is back on the schedule daily. SFO flights moved to OAK.

No flights to BDL/PHL/RDU/SAT/SFO/MSY/MSP/PNS/CHS/CUN/PUJ/MBJ on Southwest
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue May 12, 2020 7:22 pm

Anyone see how busy T2 is these days? Curious to see how many people are on those WN flights.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue May 12, 2020 8:50 pm

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Anyone see how busy T2 is these days? Curious to see how many people are on those WN flights.


An RN friend of mine made a medical trip out of T2 last week and said he was surprised there were as many as there were, purely anecdotal of course. He didn't qualify "many".
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed May 13, 2020 1:55 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
Still subject to change but I went thru the week of June 15th schedules.

Monday June 15th scheduled flights

Southwest: 68
AA: 16
Delta: 4
UA: 3
Total across all airlines: 116

A couple weird quirks for Southwest.
Sacramento and San Jose go up to 2x a day. Salt Lake City had been suspended but now it is back on the schedule daily. SFO flights moved to OAK.

No flights to BDL/PHL/RDU/SAT/SFO/MSY/MSP/PNS/CHS/CUN/PUJ/MBJ on Southwest

Thank heaven for WN. Peer cities like CLE, PIT aren't seeing more than 40 flights a day all airlines combined.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed May 13, 2020 4:11 pm

pmanni1 wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
Still subject to change but I went thru the week of June 15th schedules.

Monday June 15th scheduled flights

Southwest: 68
AA: 16
Delta: 4
UA: 3
Total across all airlines: 116

A couple weird quirks for Southwest.
Sacramento and San Jose go up to 2x a day. Salt Lake City had been suspended but now it is back on the schedule daily. SFO flights moved to OAK.

No flights to BDL/PHL/RDU/SAT/SFO/MSY/MSP/PNS/CHS/CUN/PUJ/MBJ on Southwest

Thank heaven for WN. Peer cities like CLE, PIT aren't seeing more than 40 flights a day all airlines combined.


I also heard WN is adding in more flights starting next week (into the system, not specifically STL) because loads were up this past weekend.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed May 13, 2020 4:50 pm

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Anyone see how busy T2 is these days? Curious to see how many people are on those WN flights.


I flew STL-PHX-SAN on April 17. There were only 20 or so people on my flight. There were about 5 or 6 WN flights arrive and depart in the 90 minutes I was there, and I think 20 - 30 passengers was about an average number. My plane came in from LAX and I counted 34 people get off that airplane. Only Dunkin Donuts was open as far as (food) concessions is concerned.

PHX and SAN were equally quiet.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu May 14, 2020 4:36 am

Got stir crazy so I went up to the airport today and took some pics.

AA is parking jets on one of 11/29s taxiways now.

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GoJet/TSA hanger has a bunch parked.
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu May 14, 2020 12:13 pm

Brett Snyder, aka The Cranky Flier is selling STL terminal overview T-Shirts on his site:

https://crankyconcierge.com/collections/airports?page=2

Some other cool airport options as well. I have no financial connection with the site, just thought I would share.

And yes, I ordered one.
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu May 14, 2020 1:00 pm

pmanni1 wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
Still subject to change but I went thru the week of June 15th schedules.

Monday June 15th scheduled flights

Southwest: 68
AA: 16
Delta: 4
UA: 3
Total across all airlines: 116

A couple weird quirks for Southwest.
Sacramento and San Jose go up to 2x a day. Salt Lake City had been suspended but now it is back on the schedule daily. SFO flights moved to OAK.

No flights to BDL/PHL/RDU/SAT/SFO/MSY/MSP/PNS/CHS/CUN/PUJ/MBJ on Southwest

Thank heaven for WN. Peer cities like CLE, PIT aren't seeing more than 40 flights a day all airlines combined.


Not just peer cities. DCA is way down. I counted fewer than 80 flights today.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu May 14, 2020 2:19 pm

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Got stir crazy so I went up to the airport today and took some pics.

GoJet/TSA hanger has a bunch parked.
Image


Pretty impressive all planes that sport the new UA colors already.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu May 14, 2020 3:03 pm

TWA302 wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
Got stir crazy so I went up to the airport today and took some pics.

GoJet/TSA hanger has a bunch parked.
Image


Pretty impressive all planes that sport the new UA colors already.


I would guess most of those are 550s. I assume they painted them when they converted them from 700s. A couple more were parked over on the pad west of A.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu May 14, 2020 8:51 pm

Allegiant extended their schedule into December.

Fort Lauderdale seems to be back to year round after being seasonal last year.
Sarasota also seems to be year round.

Nothing else different destination wise from last year. LAS/JAX/AZA/MYR/SAV on seasonal breaks.

This all obviously is subject to change..
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu May 14, 2020 9:21 pm

February Stats for BLV
Passengers Up 9.12% on the month
Up 13.7% on the year

International Load % for November for STL
Southwest Cancun 78.5%
Frontier Cancun 74.5%
Air Canada 64%
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu May 14, 2020 10:44 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
TWA302 wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
Got stir crazy so I went up to the airport today and took some pics.

GoJet/TSA hanger has a bunch parked.
Image


Pretty impressive all planes that sport the new UA colors already.


I would guess most of those are 550s. I assume they painted them when they converted them from 700s. A couple more were parked over on the pad west of A.


Yep should be a couple on the Charlie Pad (likely to be the first used as spares I'd reckon). I think a few at the hanger are still pre-mod. Last I saw I think a few were in other colors.
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue May 19, 2020 2:17 pm

STL-EWR on UA starts back up tomorrow. 1x a day. E175
 
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Tue May 19, 2020 3:11 pm

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STL-EWR on UA starts back up tomorrow. 1x a day. E175


I was checking the RT price, not bad! $397 basic economy with one day. I also saw the bundle option for club access for $30. Does anyone know if that is a new thing?
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue May 19, 2020 5:00 pm

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STL-EWR on UA starts back up tomorrow. 1x a day. E175


Other Upcoming restarts
AA
June 4 - DCA

Southwest
June 7 - OAK/SJC/SLC/SEA/LGA
June 14 - CLE/PIT/OKC
June 21 - CMH

I think thats all, I could have missed some though. I figure anything passed those are still up in the air. Those even could be.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue May 19, 2020 5:03 pm

I've never heard of a bundle with club access before - but something along those lines sounds like a smart move for the time being.
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue May 19, 2020 5:10 pm

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I've never heard of a bundle with club access before - but something along those lines sounds like a smart move for the time being.


I have seen it offered, not often by itself though. Usually club access and a free bag or something. or club access and priority boarding. I agree, might as well try to sell club access while the amount of travelers is low.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue May 19, 2020 6:11 pm

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STL-EWR on UA starts back up tomorrow. 1x a day. E175


Booked to 37 Passengers.

Blocking 7 seats, the front row in F and the back row in Economy.

48% Load Factor on Day 1 of return to NYC, I have to say is not bad at all.

Baby Steps!

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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue May 19, 2020 6:50 pm

atrude777 wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
STL-EWR on UA starts back up tomorrow. 1x a day. E175


Booked to 37 Passengers.

Blocking 7 seats, the front row in F and the back row in Economy.

48% Load Factor on Day 1 of return to NYC, I have to say is not bad at all.

Baby Steps!

Alex


Where do you find this info?
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue May 19, 2020 6:59 pm

atrude777 wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
STL-EWR on UA starts back up tomorrow. 1x a day. E175


Booked to 37 Passengers.

Blocking 7 seats, the front row in F and the back row in Economy.

48% Load Factor on Day 1 of return to NYC, I have to say is not bad at all.

Baby Steps!

Alex


They are blocking all the C seats. You can look at any UA seat map on any route in the future. Even at Christmas there are flights with all the C seats greyed out in 2x2 and all the middles in 3x3.

That said there are less seats open that I thought there would be.

21 open tomorrow. Even less open on Thursday.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue May 19, 2020 7:06 pm

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