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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Jun 23, 2020 4:39 pm

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By the way anyone who can't read the above post dispatch article and gets squiggles for letters, just copy and paste that into a word processor and like magic it become legible.


Yeah, that or refresh the browser, when text pops up stop the browser by hitting the X in chrome toolbar and presto! :-)
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Jun 26, 2020 2:10 am

AS IND-STL is back starting July 2nd-31st, should nearly bridge the gap til WN starts
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Jun 26, 2020 4:43 am

This entire privatization ploy gets crazier every day.

First it’s back after it was dead. Then it turns out Rex can still get paid back if they rush out the next proposal. Spencer wants it written out of the next deal and Reed says this:
Reed said the consultants deserved to be repaid if a lease deal is worked out.

What a load of bull. This entire thing is being rushed so that Rex can be paid back for his failed attempt. I don’t think there is anyway it gets past the voters but for Reed to even say that is crazy. Why would you WANT to pay out money from the cities coffers if you didn’t need to.

Just absolutely blows my mind.

https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/gov ... ssion=true
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Jun 26, 2020 4:50 am

I really don't miss the dysfunction of the city of STL.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Jun 26, 2020 1:20 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
This entire privatization ploy gets crazier every day.

First it’s back after it was dead. Then it turns out Rex can still get paid back if they rush out the next proposal. Spencer wants it written out of the next deal and Reed says this:
Reed said the consultants deserved to be repaid if a lease deal is worked out.

What a load of bull. This entire thing is being rushed so that Rex can be paid back for his failed attempt. I don’t think there is anyway it gets past the voters but for Reed to even say that is crazy. Why would you WANT to pay out money from the cities coffers if you didn’t need to.

Just absolutely blows my mind.

https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/gov ... ssion=true


When you have two of the city's worst politicians saying this thing is a complete scam, you KNOW it is. Green and Spencer are snakes and Reed is a complete slug. I wouldn't be surprised if later after this is over someone finds that he's been cooking the books that financially benefit himself.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Jun 26, 2020 3:01 pm

Covid will kill privatization for now.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Jun 27, 2020 5:26 am

May numbers are out.

Down 89% on the month
Down 51% on the year

Cargo up 3.6% on month
up 11% on year

https://www.flystl.com/uploads/document ... y-ATAR.pdf
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Jun 27, 2020 4:18 pm

Upcoming WN restarts:

June 28
PHL, RDU

July 5
DTW, MSP
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Jun 28, 2020 1:52 am

This will just make you say what if...

______________________________
Vasu Raja, Senior Vice President of planning at AA had an interview with Plane Business Banter. From the PlaneBusiness Banter interview with Vasu

PBB: Then there was all the debt. All the ill-will from the near-bankrupty in 2003. Concessions.

Vasu: Right. It had so much debt and all this other stuff. And what it did was – all of this eroded everybody’s will. It eroded the will of the frontline team, of management, of investors, everybody.
I’ve always thought that if we could go back in time at AMR, the point I would go back to would be 2003. Whenever the airline got out of restructuring but after the time Carty left.
If I could tell [CEO] Gerard [Arpey] anything – I’d tell him, "Grow the damn airline."
Because, at that point in time, AMR had an advantage over all of these other guys – because they were all going to hurt their employees as they took them through bankruptcies and things like that.
But the only way to do that was to NOT shrink. Grow at DFW. Don’t shut down St. Louis.

PBB: St. Louis. That was so poorly handled.

Vasu: Let me tell you something – St. Louis should have been and could have been the Charlotte of the Midwest for AMR. Hyper-peak St. Louis. When St. Louis was hot, that show was bigger than Chicago today for American Airlines. Think about that, right?
We should have gone the other way. When everyone else is shutting it all down, go.

Full text:
https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/amer ... rview.html
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Jun 28, 2020 6:12 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
This will just make you say what if...

______________________________
Vasu Raja, Senior Vice President of planning at AA had an interview with Plane Business Banter. From the PlaneBusiness Banter interview with Vasu

PBB: Then there was all the debt. All the ill-will from the near-bankrupty in 2003. Concessions.

Vasu: Right. It had so much debt and all this other stuff. And what it did was – all of this eroded everybody’s will. It eroded the will of the frontline team, of management, of investors, everybody.
I’ve always thought that if we could go back in time at AMR, the point I would go back to would be 2003. Whenever the airline got out of restructuring but after the time Carty left.
If I could tell [CEO] Gerard [Arpey] anything – I’d tell him, "Grow the damn airline."
Because, at that point in time, AMR had an advantage over all of these other guys – because they were all going to hurt their employees as they took them through bankruptcies and things like that.
But the only way to do that was to NOT shrink. Grow at DFW. Don’t shut down St. Louis.

PBB: St. Louis. That was so poorly handled.

Vasu: Let me tell you something – St. Louis should have been and could have been the Charlotte of the Midwest for AMR. Hyper-peak St. Louis. When St. Louis was hot, that show was bigger than Chicago today for American Airlines. Think about that, right?
We should have gone the other way. When everyone else is shutting it all down, go.

Full text:
https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/amer ... rview.html


Hmm, that is really interesting. Would they have closed up shop at ORD in favor of STL?

This would’ve significantly altered the balance of power of the US3 for sure.

It really is a shame AA didn’t keep and rebuild STL. I’d rather them have a hub to themselves rather than split ORD three ways with UA/WN.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Jun 28, 2020 8:38 pm

20/20 hindsight.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Jun 29, 2020 2:45 am

Jshank83 wrote:
This will just make you say what if...

______________________________
Vasu Raja, Senior Vice President of planning at AA had an interview with Plane Business Banter. From the PlaneBusiness Banter interview with Vasu

PBB: Then there was all the debt. All the ill-will from the near-bankrupty in 2003. Concessions.

Vasu: Right. It had so much debt and all this other stuff. And what it did was – all of this eroded everybody’s will. It eroded the will of the frontline team, of management, of investors, everybody.
I’ve always thought that if we could go back in time at AMR, the point I would go back to would be 2003. Whenever the airline got out of restructuring but after the time Carty left.
If I could tell [CEO] Gerard [Arpey] anything – I’d tell him, "Grow the damn airline."
Because, at that point in time, AMR had an advantage over all of these other guys – because they were all going to hurt their employees as they took them through bankruptcies and things like that.
But the only way to do that was to NOT shrink. Grow at DFW. Don’t shut down St. Louis.

PBB: St. Louis. That was so poorly handled.

Vasu: Let me tell you something – St. Louis should have been and could have been the Charlotte of the Midwest for AMR. Hyper-peak St. Louis. When St. Louis was hot, that show was bigger than Chicago today for American Airlines. Think about that, right?
We should have gone the other way. When everyone else is shutting it all down, go.

Full text:
https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/amer ... rview.html



What's that old saying? "Hindsight is...." :-)
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Jun 30, 2020 4:35 am

I guess I hadn’t been paying attention but WN added a bunch more flights in this week. Ran 94 today (Monday) If I counted right. 77% of original pre COVID.

Included
2x to PDX/SLC/SMF/SJC
MDW back to 8X
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:33 am

BNAMealer wrote:
Hmm, that is really interesting. Would they have closed up shop at ORD in favor of STL?

This would’ve significantly altered the balance of power of the US3 for sure.

It really is a shame AA didn’t keep and rebuild STL. I’d rather them have a hub to themselves rather than split ORD three ways with UA/WN.


According to WN route maps from 1996 and 1998 (which can be found at https://www.flickr.com/photos/erussell1984/29263094912 and https://www.flickr.com/photos/erussell1984/32253925493), WN served ABQ, BWI, BHM, MDW, CLE, CMH, DTW, HOU, IND, MCI, LIT, SDF, OKC, OMA, MCO, PHX, SLC, TPA, and TUL nonstop from STL in the late 1990's, and TW was still around in the late 1990's.

Reasons why AA kept its ORD hub include
(a) AA already having a hub at ORD prior to AA acquiring TW,
(b) AA having nonstop service out of ORD to some regional destinations in the Midwest, Northeast, and Canada that aren't served nonstop from DFW,
(c) AA connecting passengers onto AA, BA, CX, AY, IB, JL, and QF long-haul international flights at ORD,
(d) AA already having an established frequent flyer base in the Chicago market, and
(e) AA having some corporate contracts in the Chicago area.

In addition to Chicago, the Baltimore/DC, Denver, Houston, Greater Los Angeles, and San Francisco Bay Area markets also have both an UA hub and WN focus city, with UA hubs at IAD, DEN, IAH, LAX, and SFO and WN focus cities at BWI, DEN, HOU, LAX, OAK, and SJC. AA also has hubs at LAX and DCA, which are in markets with both an UA hub and WN focus city, but AA inherited its DCA hub through the AA-US merger.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Jun 30, 2020 12:05 pm

jplatts wrote:

According to WN route maps from 1996 and 1998 (which can be found at https://www.flickr.com/photos/erussell1984/29263094912 and https://www.flickr.com/photos/erussell1984/32253925493), WN served ABQ, BWI, BHM, MDW, CLE, CMH, DTW, HOU, IND, MCI, LIT, SDF, OKC, OMA, MCO, PHX, SLC, TPA, and TUL nonstop from STL in the late 1990's, and TW was still around in the late 1990's.

Reasons why AA kept its ORD hub include
(a) AA already having a hub at ORD prior to AA acquiring TW,
(b) AA having nonstop service out of ORD to some regional destinations in the Midwest, Northeast, and Canada that aren't served nonstop from DFW,
(c) AA connecting passengers onto AA, BA, CX, AY, IB, JL, and QF long-haul international flights at ORD,
(d) AA already having an established frequent flyer base in the Chicago market, and
(e) AA having some corporate contracts in the Chicago area.

In addition to Chicago, the Baltimore/DC, Denver, Houston, Greater Los Angeles, and San Francisco Bay Area markets also have both an UA hub and WN focus city, with UA hubs at IAD, DEN, IAH, LAX, and SFO and WN focus cities at BWI, DEN, HOU, LAX, OAK, and SJC. AA also has hubs at LAX and DCA, which are in markets with both an UA hub and WN focus city, but AA inherited its DCA hub through the AA-US merger.


You spent quite a bit of time typing out what 99.97% of us already know.
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Jun 30, 2020 1:52 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
I guess I hadn’t been paying attention but WN added a bunch more flights in this week. Ran 94 today (Monday) If I counted right. 77% of original pre COVID.

Included
2x to PDX/SLC/SMF/SJC
MDW back to 8X


Do you know why they are scheduling the 2 PDX flights only a half hour or hour apart? This week the flights depart at 11:25am and 12:35pm and then next week they go 11:25am and 12noon. Odd!!
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Jun 30, 2020 2:36 pm

pmanni1 wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
I guess I hadn’t been paying attention but WN added a bunch more flights in this week. Ran 94 today (Monday) If I counted right. 77% of original pre COVID.

Included
2x to PDX/SLC/SMF/SJC
MDW back to 8X


Do you know why they are scheduling the 2 PDX flights only a half hour or hour apart? This week the flights depart at 11:25am and 12:35pm and then next week they go 11:25am and 12noon. Odd!!


Might be that the original flight went over the max they could hold so they added a 2nd flight for overflow and didn't want to move peoples flights a bunch/keep connections together. I have seen other added flights that way also. I think one of the florida flights maybe TPA was running like that previously also.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Jul 01, 2020 2:50 pm

United announced a new August schedule...

Specifically mentioned the CR5 will be flying Newark to STL.

I am in SHARES (UA's reservation system) and they haven't updated it yet as I am still seeing SFO, and Mainline flights.

Nothing updated yet on UA's Website either!

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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Jul 02, 2020 1:05 pm

atrude777 wrote:
United announced a new August schedule...

Specifically mentioned the CR5 will be flying Newark to STL.

I am in SHARES (UA's reservation system) and they haven't updated it yet as I am still seeing SFO, and Mainline flights.

Nothing updated yet on UA's Website either!

Alex

August schedule is up and SFO is not back yet. 17 daily flights:
DEN 4X
ORD 5X
IAH 3X
IAD 2X
EWR 3X
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Jul 02, 2020 2:00 pm

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August schedule is up and SFO is not back yet. 17 daily flights:
DEN 4X
ORD 5X
IAH 3X
IAD 2X
EWR 3X


They are now! Nice little increase, especially compared to when we were down to only 2 daily during the COVID.

Using the date of August 10th, 2020 (Monday)

STL-EWR: All 3 Flights are CR5. Least there's a consistency now on the EWR Flight. Downgrade in seats from the 175, but better then the 50 Seaters without F Class. I think this will do well!

STL-DEN: 3 Flights are E175 , 1 is CR7. (All SkyWest)

STL-ORD: 4 Flights are CR5, and the 5th is E175

STL-IAH: All 3 flights are E175 (Consistency and more F Class Flights to that route)

STL-IAD: 1 is a E170, and the other a CR7. More F Class back to the route.

Could we finally be seeing the decline of 50 seaters without F Class in and out of STL?! I know we are still in a COVID Situation, but hopefully having more F Options out of STL will get traffic going!

Alex
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Jul 02, 2020 10:44 pm

Counting 99 WN flights for M/Th/F in the week of July 13. Guessing at some point we get over 100 a day again this month.
 
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Fri Jul 03, 2020 1:31 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
Counting 99 WN flights for M/Th/F in the week of July 13. Guessing at some point we get over 100 a day again this month.

Let’s hope it holds up.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Jul 06, 2020 4:22 pm

July Frequency update (based on week of July 13)

Flights per week (Flights per week June 2020) Flights per week July 2019
WN 680 (491) 813
AA 139 (90) 257
DL 77 (27) 204
UA 67 (21) 203
G4 37 (30) 32
AS 14 (7) 21
F9 10 (8) 38
SY 2 (2) 6

Total STL 1133 (790) 1792

Notes:

WN peaks at 99 flights a day.
AS IND leg is back
All stations are back for DL except CVG, UA except SFO, AA except LAX, WN except CHS/BDL/MSY/SAT/SFO.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Jul 06, 2020 4:41 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
July Frequency update (based on week of July 13)

Flights per week (Flights per week June 2020) Flights per week July 2019
WN 680 (491) 813
AA 139 (90) 257
DL 77 (27) 204
UA 67 (21) 203
G4 37 (30) 32
AS 14 (7) 21
F9 10 (8) 38
SY 2 (2) 6

Total STL 1133 (790) 1792

Notes:

WN peaks at 99 flights a day.
AS IND leg is back
All stations are back for DL except CVG, UA except SFO, AA except LAX, WN except CHS/BDL/MSY/SAT/SFO.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing


Is G4 filling their planes? If they are, BLV may not be down all that much in July from 2019.
I think G4's customer base (value vacation travelers) is going to really help them this summer.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Jul 06, 2020 4:58 pm

dcaproducer wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
July Frequency update (based on week of July 13)

Flights per week (Flights per week June 2020) Flights per week July 2019
WN 680 (491) 813
AA 139 (90) 257
DL 77 (27) 204
UA 67 (21) 203
G4 37 (30) 32
AS 14 (7) 21
F9 10 (8) 38
SY 2 (2) 6

Total STL 1133 (790) 1792

Notes:

WN peaks at 99 flights a day.
AS IND leg is back
All stations are back for DL except CVG, UA except SFO, AA except LAX, WN except CHS/BDL/MSY/SAT/SFO.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing


Is G4 filling their planes? If they are, BLV may not be down all that much in July from 2019.
I think G4's customer base (value vacation travelers) is going to really help them this summer.


I am pretty sure they aren’t blocking seats. If they are it isn’t more than 15%.

I would agree. Florida is easy pickings. Will be curious to see if the jump in cases there slows anyone down though.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Jul 08, 2020 3:49 pm

From the airports twitter.

STL is seeing continued growth in capacity, averaging close to 19k outbound seats per day in July, which is only 35% less than the same last year, and Aug. is expected to cont. the trend with the shortfall narrowing more, likely within 20% or less. Seats are coming back to STL.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Jul 09, 2020 12:54 am

Sun Country update: Looks like they still plan to grow STL.

The carrier flies 38 737s, including six freighters, with a target of a 60 jet fleet in the next few years.

In terms of where Sun Country could fly the jets it acquires, Bricker sees potential opportunities at both its Minneapolis/St. Paul (MSP) home and the four airports it targeted for growth prior to the pandemic. Those airports include Dallas/Fort Worth (DFW); Madison, Wisconsin (MSN); Portland, Oregon (PDX) and St. Louis (STL).


https://thepointsguy.com/news/ceo-chat- ... -plateaus/
 
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Thu Jul 09, 2020 2:35 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
Sun Country update: Looks like they still plan to grow STL.

The carrier flies 38 737s, including six freighters, with a target of a 60 jet fleet in the next few years.

In terms of where Sun Country could fly the jets it acquires, Bricker sees potential opportunities at both its Minneapolis/St. Paul (MSP) home and the four airports it targeted for growth prior to the pandemic. Those airports include Dallas/Fort Worth (DFW); Madison, Wisconsin (MSN); Portland, Oregon (PDX) and St. Louis (STL).


https://thepointsguy.com/news/ceo-chat- ... -plateaus/


As the article states, the end of September into October is going to be interesting for airlines. Once the CAREs act expires we might see the demise of smaller carriers. I really hope not but have a feeling we will.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Jul 09, 2020 8:39 pm

Not just aviation, but I’ve had discussions with many clients and CY Q4 is going to be rough all around. Especially if no additional stimulus is passed.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:23 pm

What in the world is wrong with people?

Standing outside Entry 5 at T1 and guy gets stabbed at random? According to KMOV the suspect hasn't been arrested but has allegedly been identified from a Facebook Live video.

https://fox2now.com/news/missouri/passenger-stabbed-at-st-louis-airport-while-waiting-for-ride/
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Jul 10, 2020 6:51 pm

August temperature check update. WN almost back to last years numbers in STL. Obviously actually cut by a 1/3 though.

Image

Source: https://twitter.com/AilevonPacific/stat ... 55010?s=20
 
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Fri Jul 10, 2020 8:08 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
August temperature check update. WN almost back to last years numbers in STL. Obviously actually cut by a 1/3 though.

Image

Source: https://twitter.com/AilevonPacific/stat ... 55010?s=20


Wow, NK is going BIG!
 
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Fri Jul 10, 2020 11:20 pm

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Wow, NK is going BIG!


But when can we see some NK big in STL? :?: :D
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Jul 11, 2020 9:27 pm

So this is a weird buy. I can't even remember the last time (if ever) that I didn't have a gate at STL. Are they predicting that much of an uptick of passengers?
https://mobile.twitter.com/flystl/statu ... 1048519681
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Jul 11, 2020 9:42 pm

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What in the world is wrong with people?

Standing outside Entry 5 at T1 and guy gets stabbed at random? According to KMOV the suspect hasn't been arrested but has allegedly been identified from a Facebook Live video.

https://fox2now.com/news/missouri/passenger-stabbed-at-st-louis-airport-while-waiting-for-ride/


The joys of St Louis. It's unfortunate.
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Jul 11, 2020 11:10 pm

stl07 wrote:
So this is a weird buy. I can't even remember the last time (if ever) that I didn't have a gate at STL. Are they predicting that much of an uptick of passengers?
https://mobile.twitter.com/flystl/statu ... 1048519681

I didn’t really understand it either. Seems like a lot of money for something they may never use. Unless they have some charters that plan to use it and are going to help pay for it or something.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Jul 12, 2020 5:01 am

^I thought the super-broom was a weird buy too, but they got use out of it last winter. Maybe somebody knows something we don't. (Hopefully at least something I don't.)
TW AA MU JL KE DL UA LOF GJS SKW WN VN
STL JFK FRA GVA CDG IAD ORD PVG SGN NRT ICN ATL SFO HKG MDW LGA BNA DTW LHR
L1011 MD82 83 88 B737 738 741 744 762 763 772 773 777 A320 330 350 E175 C700
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Jul 12, 2020 2:55 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
stl07 wrote:
So this is a weird buy. I can't even remember the last time (if ever) that I didn't have a gate at STL. Are they predicting that much of an uptick of passengers?
https://mobile.twitter.com/flystl/statu ... 1048519681

I didn’t really understand it either. Seems like a lot of money for something they may never use. Unless they have some charters that plan to use it and are going to help pay for it or something.


Perhaps on hand for diversions that don't fit at a gate/ airport equipment cannot support push back after parked? Just a guess.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Jul 12, 2020 9:07 pm

QXorVX wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
stl07 wrote:
So this is a weird buy. I can't even remember the last time (if ever) that I didn't have a gate at STL. Are they predicting that much of an uptick of passengers?
https://mobile.twitter.com/flystl/statu ... 1048519681

I didn’t really understand it either. Seems like a lot of money for something they may never use. Unless they have some charters that plan to use it and are going to help pay for it or something.


Perhaps on hand for diversions that don't fit at a gate/ airport equipment cannot support push back after parked? Just a guess.


I am pretty sure they have a gate that can handle everything except a A380. So I don’t think that should be an issue. But who knows. Maybe they are required to have one or something
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Jul 13, 2020 7:24 am

It's probably just to fulfill ADA requirements. In any case, it's better to have it and not need it than vice versa. Besides, the airport uses most of their vehicles for 15-20+ years so you can think of the purchase price being amortized over that length of time.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Jul 13, 2020 4:40 pm

Looks like the BOA will vote tomorrow to potentially add airport privatization issue onto the ballot in November. I REALLY hope they don't approve it.
https://www.kmov.com/news/lambert-airport-privatization-proposal-could-be-up-to-st-louis-voters-this-fall/article_37b191b2-bb1c-11ea-a628-5b8c30c7dcc2.html
 
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Mon Jul 13, 2020 8:57 pm

Saw this in the TSA throughput thread. STL is right about 30% of 2019 numbers, but doing much better than the national average and only TPA and PHX are ahead of STL on this list. It doesn’t list BNA, but AUS is way down.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EcWaTxkUwAA ... ame=medium
 
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Mon Jul 13, 2020 9:08 pm

Those number seem to track from the LFs I've seen the past few weeks.
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Tue Jul 14, 2020 1:53 am

Load Factor for March for STL and BLV.

Not much to say about them, but here they are if you are interested. Average around 50%

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Jul 14, 2020 2:14 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
QXorVX wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
I didn’t really understand it either. Seems like a lot of money for something they may never use. Unless they have some charters that plan to use it and are going to help pay for it or something.


Perhaps on hand for diversions that don't fit at a gate/ airport equipment cannot support push back after parked? Just a guess.


I am pretty sure they have a gate that can handle everything except a A380. So I don’t think that should be an issue. But who knows. Maybe they are required to have one or something


Slightly related question - obviously we can't handle an A380 at a gate - but could an A380 still land, park at a remote stand and take off at STL? Are the runways big enough? You know, in case a Saudi prince wanted to visit the Arch and catch a Cardinals game or something.
 
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Tue Jul 14, 2020 2:22 pm

STLflyer wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
QXorVX wrote:

Perhaps on hand for diversions that don't fit at a gate/ airport equipment cannot support push back after parked? Just a guess.


I am pretty sure they have a gate that can handle everything except a A380. So I don’t think that should be an issue. But who knows. Maybe they are required to have one or something


Slightly related question - obviously we can't handle an A380 at a gate - but could an A380 still land, park at a remote stand and take off at STL? Are the runways big enough? You know, in case a Saudi prince wanted to visit the Arch and catch a Cardinals game or something.


I'd think the concern would be, do we have ramps and taxiways that can support the weight. Pretty sure 12R/30L is long enough for just about anything. Heck I'm pretty sure STL could have in a pinch landed the Space Shuttle (granted with out a much margin)
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Jul 14, 2020 4:52 pm

STLflyer wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
QXorVX wrote:

Perhaps on hand for diversions that don't fit at a gate/ airport equipment cannot support push back after parked? Just a guess.


I am pretty sure they have a gate that can handle everything except a A380. So I don’t think that should be an issue. But who knows. Maybe they are required to have one or something


Slightly related question - obviously we can't handle an A380 at a gate - but could an A380 still land, park at a remote stand and take off at STL? Are the runways big enough? You know, in case a Saudi prince wanted to visit the Arch and catch a Cardinals game or something.


At MTOW the A380 needs 9800'.
Runway 12R/30L is over 11,000'.

STL has plenty of ramp space to park an A380.
 
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Tue Jul 14, 2020 5:38 pm

dcaproducer wrote:
STLflyer wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:

I am pretty sure they have a gate that can handle everything except a A380. So I don’t think that should be an issue. But who knows. Maybe they are required to have one or something


Slightly related question - obviously we can't handle an A380 at a gate - but could an A380 still land, park at a remote stand and take off at STL? Are the runways big enough? You know, in case a Saudi prince wanted to visit the Arch and catch a Cardinals game or something.


At MTOW the A380 needs 9800'.
Runway 12R/30L is over 11,000'.

STL has plenty of ramp space to park an A380.


We might have enough room to park one, but are the taxiways wide enough? Not finding anything on the taxiways off of 12R/30L. Just curious. I read that the A380 ICAO A380 ARFF requirements state 82' wide taxiways. Airports that can handle the 380 also had to do a lot of reconfiguration on lighting, etc.
 
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Tue Jul 14, 2020 6:15 pm

If google maps is anything to go on, the parallel taxiway looks to be approx 80 feet wide from line to line 95 from light to light across.
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Jul 14, 2020 6:27 pm

TWA302 wrote:
dcaproducer wrote:
STLflyer wrote:

Slightly related question - obviously we can't handle an A380 at a gate - but could an A380 still land, park at a remote stand and take off at STL? Are the runways big enough? You know, in case a Saudi prince wanted to visit the Arch and catch a Cardinals game or something.


At MTOW the A380 needs 9800'.
Runway 12R/30L is over 11,000'.

STL has plenty of ramp space to park an A380.


We might have enough room to park one, but are the taxiways wide enough? Not finding anything on the taxiways off of 12R/30L. Just curious. I read that the A380 ICAO A380 ARFF requirements state 82' wide taxiways. Airports that can handle the 380 also had to do a lot of reconfiguration on lighting, etc.


They have rebuilt a bunch of them lately (some specifically to handle more weight) if I recall correctly. I would be shocked if they couldn't handle them. By measuring on Google Earth it looks the taxiway on the east end of 12R/30L is about 100 feet wide once you make the turn to go T2 it is 86. Multiple turn offs on the other end are wide enough. Worst case if it had to land here you just leave it on one of the runways and take stairs to it. Just move ops to others while it is there.

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