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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Jul 14, 2020 7:38 pm

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dcaproducer wrote:

At MTOW the A380 needs 9800'.
Runway 12R/30L is over 11,000'.

STL has plenty of ramp space to park an A380.


We might have enough room to park one, but are the taxiways wide enough? Not finding anything on the taxiways off of 12R/30L. Just curious. I read that the A380 ICAO A380 ARFF requirements state 82' wide taxiways. Airports that can handle the 380 also had to do a lot of reconfiguration on lighting, etc.


They have rebuilt a bunch of them lately (some specifically to handle more weight) if I recall correctly. I would be shocked if they couldn't handle them. By measuring on Google Earth it looks the taxiway on the east end of 12R/30L is about 100 feet wide once you make the turn to go T2 it is 86. Multiple turn offs on the other end are wide enough. Worst case if it had to land here you just leave it on one of the runways and take stairs to it. Just move ops to others while it is there.


Guess we won't have to worry about A388 diverts to STL for the foreseeable future since none are flying. :rotfl:
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Jul 14, 2020 8:57 pm

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We might have enough room to park one, but are the taxiways wide enough? Not finding anything on the taxiways off of 12R/30L. Just curious. I read that the A380 ICAO A380 ARFF requirements state 82' wide taxiways. Airports that can handle the 380 also had to do a lot of reconfiguration on lighting, etc.


They have rebuilt a bunch of them lately (some specifically to handle more weight) if I recall correctly. I would be shocked if they couldn't handle them. By measuring on Google Earth it looks the taxiway on the east end of 12R/30L is about 100 feet wide once you make the turn to go T2 it is 86. Multiple turn offs on the other end are wide enough. Worst case if it had to land here you just leave it on one of the runways and take stairs to it. Just move ops to others while it is there.


Guess we won't have to worry about A388 diverts to STL for the foreseeable future since none are flying. :rotfl:


Yup. I don’t see many flying for a while.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Jul 15, 2020 1:15 pm

This airport privatization thing is starting to get REALLY good.

“Is this a good deal for the city of St. Louis?” (Elliott) Davis asked. “It’s a good deal for me,” replied (Mike)Jones. Complete SNAKE! I can't wait for this guy to go down. Way to go Julian Bush for calling out this complete farce of a project.

https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/columns/tony-messenger/messenger-airport-privatization-game-headed-to-overtime-as-lewis-reed-launches-last-shot-for-team/article_74a1dc81-1de4-5514-987b-06a5cca2c9a6.html#tracking-source=home-top-story-1
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Jul 15, 2020 2:27 pm

Politicians going about politics! Who knew?!
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Jul 16, 2020 12:56 pm

New route, even though it is short lived at the moment. ‪Starting July 26th WN will run a daily nonstop from STL-ORF. Currenty schedule to run til August 10th. ‬
 
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Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:20 pm

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New route, even though it is short lived at the moment. ‪Starting July 26th WN will run a daily nonstop from STL-ORF. Currenty schedule to run til August 10th. ‬

They also added GRR, CLT & PVD for the same time period. Such short notice. Hopefully they'll be permanent in the future.
 
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Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:22 pm

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New route, even though it is short lived at the moment. ‪Starting July 26th WN will run a daily nonstop from STL-ORF. Currenty schedule to run til August 10th. ‬


We'll take it!!!

STL Airport is also announcing..

STL-GRR
STL-PVD
STL-CLT

GRR is a returning station, no?

PVD and CLT and ORF are new to STL via Southwest?

Alex
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:30 pm

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Jshank83 wrote:
New route, even though it is short lived at the moment. ‪Starting July 26th WN will run a daily nonstop from STL-ORF. Currenty schedule to run til August 10th. ‬


We'll take it!!!

STL Airport is also announcing..

STL-GRR
STL-PVD
STL-CLT

GRR is a returning station, no?

PVD and CLT and ORF are new to STL via Southwest?

Alex

Yep, GRR is returning and the others are new.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:48 pm

pmanni1 wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
New route, even though it is short lived at the moment. ‪Starting July 26th WN will run a daily nonstop from STL-ORF. Currenty schedule to run til August 10th. ‬

They also added GRR, CLT & PVD for the same time period. Such short notice. Hopefully they'll be permanent in the future.


YES!! GRR is BACK! Makes my jaunts to Ludington very easy again this Summer. Used to be a painful 9 hour drive from STL especially on that horribel 80/94 south of Chicago.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Jul 16, 2020 6:09 pm

BLV numbers for April.

249 total passnegers... not a misprint.

-99% on the month
-30% on the year
 
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Thu Jul 16, 2020 6:22 pm

International Load Factor for January

VivaAerobus/Apple Huatulco 95.5% (one flight)
VivaAerobus/Apple Cabo 95.5% (two flights)
Southwest Cancun 86%
Frontier Cancun 83%
Frontier Punta Cana 66%
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Jul 16, 2020 6:37 pm

TWA302 wrote:
pmanni1 wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
New route, even though it is short lived at the moment. ‪Starting July 26th WN will run a daily nonstop from STL-ORF. Currenty schedule to run til August 10th. ‬

They also added GRR, CLT & PVD for the same time period. Such short notice. Hopefully they'll be permanent in the future.


YES!! GRR is BACK! Makes my jaunts to Ludington very easy again this Summer. Used to be a painful 9 hour drive from STL especially on that horribel 80/94 south of Chicago.

Exactly!! I go out to the sleeping bear dunes and somehow I always time my drive so that I end up in rush hour traffic in and around the Chicago area
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Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:49 am

Wait I just realized these are 2 weekers
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Jul 17, 2020 7:31 am

Jshank83 wrote:
New route, even though it is short lived at the moment. ‪Starting July 26th WN will run a daily nonstop from STL-ORF. Currenty schedule to run til August 10th. ‬

Adding ORF is always a pretty decent deal since it should do pretty well given the major military & related contractors/business presence.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Jul 17, 2020 1:21 pm

stl07 wrote:
TWA302 wrote:
pmanni1 wrote:
They also added GRR, CLT & PVD for the same time period. Such short notice. Hopefully they'll be permanent in the future.


YES!! GRR is BACK! Makes my jaunts to Ludington very easy again this Summer. Used to be a painful 9 hour drive from STL especially on that horribel 80/94 south of Chicago.

Exactly!! I go out to the sleeping bear dunes and somehow I always time my drive so that I end up in rush hour traffic in and around the Chicago area


We usually leave at like 3am or if later, we take the 'truck route' through Indiana from 57 to 65. With the low flight/pt costs plus Companion Pass, it will be a heck of alot cheaper than having 2nd car gas costs. I know it is a short add, but would love for it to be a May - Sep seasonal moving forward. Just really odd to add for such a short period.

Sleeping Bear, been there once before. Great place. Love my Michigan summers.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:43 am

So one side of me really, really wants to take one of these flights (not including CLT lol) and the other side of me is wondering if I am an idiot. Anyways, has anyone flown and gone on vacation during the virus and would be able to elaborate on if it is a good idea or not
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Jul 18, 2020 1:47 pm

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So one side of me really, really wants to take one of these flights (not including CLT lol) and the other side of me is wondering if I am an idiot. Anyways, has anyone flown and gone on vacation during the virus and would be able to elaborate on if it is a good idea or not


I flew to California June 18 to 27. It was fine. That was when cases were lower though. They had just started going back up on the 27th. Southwest isn’t bad. No middles so if you are in a window seat really only 5 people are within 6 feet of you and 4 of those will have seat backs between you. Mask wearing was pretty good. I personally think chances you get it on a plane are fairly low because of the mask mandate but with the current uptick it would make me a little nervous. I’d probably be more nervous if it was to Florida or Arizona.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Jul 18, 2020 2:57 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
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So one side of me really, really wants to take one of these flights (not including CLT lol) and the other side of me is wondering if I am an idiot. Anyways, has anyone flown and gone on vacation during the virus and would be able to elaborate on if it is a good idea or not


I flew to California June 18 to 27. It was fine. That was when cases were lower though. They had just started going back up on the 27th. Southwest isn’t bad. No middles so if you are in a window seat really only 5 people are within 6 feet of you and 4 of those will have seat backs between you. Mask wearing was pretty good. I personally think chances you get it on a plane are fairly low because of the mask mandate but with the current uptick it would make me a little nervous. I’d probably be more nervous if it was to Florida or Arizona.


I have flown twice since June, once to Tampa/Miami(AA) & once to Denver(WN). I was planning on booking a trip to LA, but most indoor stuff is closed again, so I decided against it.

Everyone was wearing masks in the airports & on the plane, boarding was heavily staggered, the only time you are in very close proximity to another person is deboarding when people are picking their stuff out of the overhead bins (but that is only for 30 seconds or so).

You shouldn't be worried about getting COVID on a plane, airplane environments are probably the most well regulated & clean indoor environments you can be in right now. The much higher risk is catching the virus at your destination. Most people weren't wearing masks in Tampa when I went in Mid-June, although Denver was the opposite when I went a couple weeks ago.

If you are worried about catching COVID:
1. Take a nonstop flight
2. Fly WN, I think they have done the most to minimize risk
3. Goes without saying, but don't go somewhere that you think there will be a high chance of infection.
4. I wouldn't travel if I lived with someone with a compromised immune system

Out of those new routes, PVD is a good choice, Northeast has a good control of the virus & the area around PVD is nice in the summer (although I think they have a quarantine restriction). Mountain West states are good choices as well.
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Jul 21, 2020 2:50 am

How come no one is updating the wikipedia page and someone took down the map.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Jul 21, 2020 4:27 am

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How come no one is updating the wikipedia page and someone took down the map.


One person on here used to do a good job updating it. Then someone else took over and screwed it all up so they quit. I still try to update destinations once in awhile but it’s about pointless.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Jul 21, 2020 4:58 am

Thanks midwestindy and Jshank. If I end up going, it will be on the Rhode Island flight where cases are low and rules are followed. However, I have a feeling that flight is gonna be awful for WN since RI requires a test within 3 days of the flight, but our test labs are backed up so the results are taking a week to come back, therefore making the flight not very practical.
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Jul 21, 2020 12:34 pm

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Thanks midwestindy and Jshank. If I end up going, it will be on the Rhode Island flight where cases are low and rules are followed. However, I have a feeling that flight is gonna be awful for WN since RI requires a test within 3 days of the flight, but our test labs are backed up so the results are taking a week to come back, therefore making the flight not very practical.

I didn’t realize RI’s state list was bigger than the others. Probably should have just started BDL up earlier instead.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Jul 21, 2020 2:02 pm

Agreed - I used to update it as well and someone decided to delete everything and its not worth time to fight it. I now created my own version of destinations and things on a google doc and just stopped following it.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Jul 21, 2020 4:34 pm

Just saw in the latest OAG string, 9K is dropping destinations from STL. Looks like they are dropping some routes to ORD too. I thought these were EAS flights? Help me understand what the heck is going on.

9K MWA-STL AUG 3>0[5] SEP 4>0[5] OCT 3>0[5] NOV 4>0[5] DEC 3>0[5] JAN 3>0[5] FEB 4>0[3] MAR 3>0[3] APR 4>0[4]
9K OWB-STL AUG 1.0>0[3] SEP 1.0>0[3] OCT 1.0>0[3] NOV 1.0>0[3] DEC 1.0>0[3] JAN 0.9>0[2] FEB 1.1>0[1.0] MAR 1.0>0[1.0] APR 1.0>0[1.0]
9K STL-UIN AUG 3>0[0] SEP 3>0[0] OCT 3>0[0] NOV 3>0[0] DEC 3>0[0] JAN 2>0[2] FEB 3>0[3] MAR 3>0[3] APR 3>0[3]
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Jul 21, 2020 4:39 pm

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Just saw in the latest OAG string, 9K is dropping destinations from STL. Looks like they are dropping some routes to ORD too. I thought these were EAS flights? Help me understand what the heck is going on.

9K MWA-STL AUG 3>0[5] SEP 4>0[5] OCT 3>0[5] NOV 4>0[5] DEC 3>0[5] JAN 3>0[5] FEB 4>0[3] MAR 3>0[3] APR 4>0[4]
9K OWB-STL AUG 1.0>0[3] SEP 1.0>0[3] OCT 1.0>0[3] NOV 1.0>0[3] DEC 1.0>0[3] JAN 0.9>0[2] FEB 1.1>0[1.0] MAR 1.0>0[1.0] APR 1.0>0[1.0]
9K STL-UIN AUG 3>0[0] SEP 3>0[0] OCT 3>0[0] NOV 3>0[0] DEC 3>0[0] JAN 2>0[2] FEB 3>0[3] MAR 3>0[3] APR 3>0[3]


I assume this is a misfile. They will show back up on the next one. BNA is the same way. Sometimes they show up wonky is the updates.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Jul 21, 2020 7:00 pm

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stl07 wrote:
Thanks midwestindy and Jshank. If I end up going, it will be on the Rhode Island flight where cases are low and rules are followed. However, I have a feeling that flight is gonna be awful for WN since RI requires a test within 3 days of the flight, but our test labs are backed up so the results are taking a week to come back, therefore making the flight not very practical.

I didn’t realize RI’s state list was bigger than the others. Probably should have just started BDL up earlier instead.


I guess RI just posted the update first. Now NY has updated theirs as well.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Jul 21, 2020 9:33 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
TWA302 wrote:
Just saw in the latest OAG string, 9K is dropping destinations from STL. Looks like they are dropping some routes to ORD too. I thought these were EAS flights? Help me understand what the heck is going on.

9K MWA-STL AUG 3>0[5] SEP 4>0[5] OCT 3>0[5] NOV 4>0[5] DEC 3>0[5] JAN 3>0[5] FEB 4>0[3] MAR 3>0[3] APR 4>0[4]
9K OWB-STL AUG 1.0>0[3] SEP 1.0>0[3] OCT 1.0>0[3] NOV 1.0>0[3] DEC 1.0>0[3] JAN 0.9>0[2] FEB 1.1>0[1.0] MAR 1.0>0[1.0] APR 1.0>0[1.0]
9K STL-UIN AUG 3>0[0] SEP 3>0[0] OCT 3>0[0] NOV 3>0[0] DEC 3>0[0] JAN 2>0[2] FEB 3>0[3] MAR 3>0[3] APR 3>0[3]


I assume this is a misfile. They will show back up on the next one. BNA is the same way. Sometimes they show up wonky is the updates.


What is a misfile? Sorry for all of the questions, but how does this happen?
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Jul 22, 2020 3:34 am

TWA302 wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
TWA302 wrote:
Just saw in the latest OAG string, 9K is dropping destinations from STL. Looks like they are dropping some routes to ORD too. I thought these were EAS flights? Help me understand what the heck is going on.

9K MWA-STL AUG 3>0[5] SEP 4>0[5] OCT 3>0[5] NOV 4>0[5] DEC 3>0[5] JAN 3>0[5] FEB 4>0[3] MAR 3>0[3] APR 4>0[4]
9K OWB-STL AUG 1.0>0[3] SEP 1.0>0[3] OCT 1.0>0[3] NOV 1.0>0[3] DEC 1.0>0[3] JAN 0.9>0[2] FEB 1.1>0[1.0] MAR 1.0>0[1.0] APR 1.0>0[1.0]
9K STL-UIN AUG 3>0[0] SEP 3>0[0] OCT 3>0[0] NOV 3>0[0] DEC 3>0[0] JAN 2>0[2] FEB 3>0[3] MAR 3>0[3] APR 3>0[3]


I assume this is a misfile. They will show back up on the next one. BNA is the same way. Sometimes they show up wonky is the updates.


What is a misfile? Sorry for all of the questions, but how does this happen?


I don't really know what causes it but sometimes things update wrong or get "mis-filed". The flights are still all bookable thru cape so I am assuming it was just a glitch and next week they will show back up in the update. It happens from time to time with the smaller airlines. Once in awhile you will see it with regionals also. It gets filed under the regional instead of the mainline.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Jul 24, 2020 3:53 am

June numbers are out.

Passengers down 74% year over year.
Cargo up 20%
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Jul 24, 2020 1:45 pm

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June numbers are out.

Passengers down 74% year over year.
Cargo up 20%


Cargo up 20%? Not surprised, but that's a big number!
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Jul 26, 2020 6:48 pm

STL-GRR/CLT/ORF/PVD all started today. Will be interesting to see if any get extended. With the quarantine order I doubt PVD does but the others maybe. GRR I can’t see going much past the end of August though.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Jul 27, 2020 12:57 am

What's up with the timing on the WN IND-STL schedules? Connections at STL are minimal based on the August schedule
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Mon Jul 27, 2020 1:52 am

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What's up with the timing on the WN IND-STL schedules? Connections at STL are minimal based on the August schedule


Who doesn’t love 2+ hour layovers.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Jul 27, 2020 3:22 pm

Flew from STL-SAN yesterday. T2 was moderately busy. I saw the Grand Rapids flight signed at E4 and watched the Providence flight leave from E8. It's a same-planer from Houston. No signage for the inaugural for anything. Half the stores are closed, and Southwest has redesigned their gate screens in a simpler style.
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Jul 27, 2020 4:02 pm

Well how has Southwest changed their operations? I.E. before COVID if you were flying say IND-STL-DEN and it was the same plane all the way through, you'd just say on. Are they now making everyone get off and spraying down all the seats, etc. etc between each rotation?
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Wed Jul 29, 2020 4:26 pm

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Well how has Southwest changed their operations? I.E. before COVID if you were flying say IND-STL-DEN and it was the same plane all the way through, you'd just say on. Are they now making everyone get off and spraying down all the seats, etc. etc between each rotation?


I don't see anything that says that they deplane. I would think that would cause more crowding in the boarding area as well as require them to have a new boarding pass number for the next segment of the flight.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Jul 30, 2020 6:30 am

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Istria2020 wrote:
How come no one is updating the wikipedia page and someone took down the map.


One person on here used to do a good job updating it. Then someone else took over and screwed it all up so they quit. I still try to update destinations once in awhile but it’s about pointless.



I am really mad at whoever is screwing up the wikipedia page. It needs to be reverted to how it was. Where is the map? There do not seem to be any updates anymore to it. How can we stop this from happening. I looked on wikipedia and this person Blissfield101 is ruining everything. I am so mad at him.

Anyway, glad there are more flights to and from STL. I plan to go to Croatia in a month.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Jul 30, 2020 1:03 pm

Istria2020 wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
Istria2020 wrote:
How come no one is updating the wikipedia page and someone took down the map.


One person on here used to do a good job updating it. Then someone else took over and screwed it all up so they quit. I still try to update destinations once in awhile but it’s about pointless.



I am really mad at whoever is screwing up the wikipedia page. It needs to be reverted to how it was. Where is the map? There do not seem to be any updates anymore to it. How can we stop this from happening. I looked on wikipedia and this person Blissfield101 is ruining everything. I am so mad at him.

Anyway, glad there are more flights to and from STL. I plan to go to Croatia in a month.


I won't exert any energy or lose sleep over it. Let him/her waste their life away updating a wiki page if they want.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Jul 30, 2020 3:46 pm

TWA302 wrote:
Istria2020 wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:

One person on here used to do a good job updating it. Then someone else took over and screwed it all up so they quit. I still try to update destinations once in awhile but it’s about pointless.



I am really mad at whoever is screwing up the wikipedia page. It needs to be reverted to how it was. Where is the map? There do not seem to be any updates anymore to it. How can we stop this from happening. I looked on wikipedia and this person Blissfield101 is ruining everything. I am so mad at him.

Anyway, glad there are more flights to and from STL. I plan to go to Croatia in a month.


I won't exert any energy or lose sleep over it. Let him/her waste their life away updating a wiki page if they want.


Agreed. It doesn't matter. I'll update things from time to time but for the most part if they want to screw with it, oh well.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Jul 30, 2020 4:16 pm

Yep its Blissfield101 ... I used to update the map as well and that got taken away. Then I got scolded for adding COVID resumption dates on the destinations. So I just stopped updating STL's page and stick with helping out MSY and some Florida airports. Since I still wanted to keep track of all the information this user deletes, I just stopped following that page and created my own Google Doc's with all the destination data.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Jul 30, 2020 4:16 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
TWA302 wrote:
Istria2020 wrote:


I am really mad at whoever is screwing up the wikipedia page. It needs to be reverted to how it was. Where is the map? There do not seem to be any updates anymore to it. How can we stop this from happening. I looked on wikipedia and this person Blissfield101 is ruining everything. I am so mad at him.

Anyway, glad there are more flights to and from STL. I plan to go to Croatia in a month.


I won't exert any energy or lose sleep over it. Let him/her waste their life away updating a wiki page if they want.


Agreed. It doesn't matter. I'll update things from time to time but for the most part if they want to screw with it, oh well.


Speaking of the wiki could someone add GRR, CLT, ORF, and PVD for Southwest under seasonal? I know they're only running till August 10, but they're running right now nonetheless.
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Jul 30, 2020 4:56 pm

maps4ltd wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
TWA302 wrote:

I won't exert any energy or lose sleep over it. Let him/her waste their life away updating a wiki page if they want.


Agreed. It doesn't matter. I'll update things from time to time but for the most part if they want to screw with it, oh well.


Speaking of the wiki could someone add GRR, CLT, ORF, and PVD for Southwest under seasonal? I know they're only running till August 10, but they're running right now nonetheless.


I personally didn't go add them because I didn't think it was worth adding destinations added/cut temporarily for COVID. If they get added in for an entire schedule update then I would add them in.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:53 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
maps4ltd wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:

Agreed. It doesn't matter. I'll update things from time to time but for the most part if they want to screw with it, oh well.


Speaking of the wiki could someone add GRR, CLT, ORF, and PVD for Southwest under seasonal? I know they're only running till August 10, but they're running right now nonetheless.


I personally didn't go add them because I didn't think it was worth adding destinations added/cut temporarily for COVID. If they get added in for an entire schedule update then I would add them in.


My thoughts as well. However, I did think it was valuable to have resumption dates. Because the wiki is showing destinations of which Southwest currently doesn't fly and my argument is its valuable to the public to know when that service restarts. MCO page has resumptions on it.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:55 pm

bretonrlong wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
maps4ltd wrote:

Speaking of the wiki could someone add GRR, CLT, ORF, and PVD for Southwest under seasonal? I know they're only running till August 10, but they're running right now nonetheless.


I personally didn't go add them because I didn't think it was worth adding destinations added/cut temporarily for COVID. If they get added in for an entire schedule update then I would add them in.


My thoughts as well. However, I did think it was valuable to have resumption dates. Because the wiki is showing destinations of which Southwest currently doesn't fly and my argument is its valuable to the public to know when that service restarts. MCO page has resumptions on it.


Lol well it did looks like Bliss undid those too.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Jul 31, 2020 2:55 pm

In the updated United schedule for September SFO's restart continues to be pushed back.

Chicago 4x daily
Denver/Houston/Newark 3x daily
DC 2x daily

15 daily flights
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Aug 03, 2020 10:54 pm

Feeling the impact of AA's schedule slash for September. DFW is 5x daily, ORD is 2x daily(!), CLT is 4x, PHL is 2x, PHX is 2x for 15 daily. MIA, LAX, DCA & LGA all suspended. Handing so much over to WN.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Aug 05, 2020 8:08 pm

Updates from the airport commission meeting.

July should be around 40-45% of last years numbers

June
44% of the traffic on Southwest was connecting.
Parking garages had a positive number

Large WN schedule adjustment coming. Decline of 50 flights a day for the next 30 days (could go longer)
Lesiure traffic dropping off with school starting and still light business travel.

T2 lower drive is going to be closed for 2 weeks coming up due to the projects to relieve congestion in the future. There will be a press release before it happens.
There was an additional service lot that was going to be built at T2 that is being put on hold.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Aug 06, 2020 12:09 am

September WN cuts are out (I think some August ones come out tomorrow)

Down to 50 daily flights
29 cities
All of west coast cut except LAX/SAN/SMF
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Aug 06, 2020 1:41 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
September WN cuts are out (I think some August ones come out tomorrow)

Down to 50 daily flights
29 cities
All of west coast cut except LAX/SAN/SMF


Lot's of eastern cuts as well, BOS,BDL,PIT,CLE,IND,CMH,DTW. Looks like service to all of the other hubs remains as well as all of the smaller midwest cities and Florida.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Aug 10, 2020 7:50 pm

JShank shared this image on the Twitter Tweets, but I feel it should be shared here as well. Wow. Look at the reduction at STL for WN versus others, especially BNA.

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