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Re: West and Central African Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Mar 09, 2020 9:16 am

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Wonder if DL will expand in Western Africa to counter AA entry and Royal Marco joining One World Alliance.


AA already have substantial capacity into Africa through the JV with BA. Granted, West Africa isn't the strongest part of BA's network, but they do have ABV, ACC and LOS. CMN will complement this with a lot more designations, but ultimately less available capacity.

I'm not sure that Delta would respond in any specific way since the capacity change relative to the total market would still be minor.


The trouble is that West Africans are still going to Europe/North Africa to get to North America. Nothing makes the case for Africa World Airlines' growth more than this scenario. Each city cannot grow long haul routes on their own without connections. Once AWA has larger aircraft and more cities come into range, they would be the ideal partner for DL in ACC. KQ schedules from Freetown and Monrovia aren't going to be enough to feed the ACC-JFK route for daily flights. Luanda, Douala, Dar es Salaam and Harare are all possible contenders. One would not have to backtrack to Southern Africa to head west!
 
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Re: West and Central African Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Mar 10, 2020 5:19 am

Did TAAG really start ACC-LAD?
 
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Re: West and Central African Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Mar 10, 2020 7:26 am

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Did TAAG really start ACC-LAD?


No
 
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Re: West and Central African Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Mar 10, 2020 7:40 am

ghdc10 wrote:
The trouble is that West Africans are still going to Europe/North Africa to get to North America.


Why is this troubling? European hubs are more efficient and lower cost. That's how hubs work.

ghdc10 wrote:
Nothing makes the case for Africa World Airlines' growth more than this scenario. Each city cannot grow long haul routes on their own without connections. Once AWA has larger aircraft and more cities come into range, they would be the ideal partner for DL in ACC.


AWA are mostly set up as a point-to-point operator. There would either need to be much higher frequency operations (rather than larger aircraft) or to focus on a banked up type model to really make themselves work in providing long haul connections more efficiently and consistently. However, there are costs to doing that and it probably doesn't make sense given how well they have developed their niche and the high cost base of running a hub in ACC.

ghdc10 wrote:
KQ schedules from Freetown and Monrovia aren't going to be enough to feed the ACC-JFK route for daily flights. Luanda, Douala, Dar es Salaam and Harare are all possible contenders. One would not have to backtrack to Southern Africa to head west!


Do DL and KQ even codeshare on these routes? DL's business is focused on US point of sale and US side connections. They've never had much interest in developing partners in Africa. They focus on the O&D traffic on the African side and make do with small numbers of interline connections.
 
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Re: West and Central African Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:04 pm

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AWA are mostly set up as a point-to-point operator. There would either need to be much higher frequency operations (rather than larger aircraft) or to focus on a banked up type model to really make themselves work in providing long haul connections more efficiently and consistently. However, there are costs to doing that and it probably doesn't make sense given how well they have developed their niche and the high cost base of running a hub in ACC.


I will disagree with this. If you have followed AWA's network development since the new Terminal 3 in Accra opened in October 2018, you will see a much larger focus on connecting traffic - both within the AWA network itself (viz. domestic connections via Accra, Nigeria to West Coast vv, etc..) as well as as feed to numerous interline and codeshare partners (primarily SAA, but others as well). AWA is overnighting aircraft in Abuja, Abidjan and Lagos in order to create morning feeder flights from these stations to the Accra hub - the first stages of creating a hub bank. In fact, AWA has publicly stated that connecting traffic has grown to as much as 200-300 daily passengers across various routes - a not insignificant number for a West African "hub".
 
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Re: West and Central African Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:36 pm

Africa World Airlines has launched a "Fly Safe, Fly Confident!" public relations campaign to to educate the public about the steps that have been put in place to counter the spread of COVID-19, and to reassure passengers that flying remains the safest mode of transportation.

https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/ur ... 7512740864
 
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Re: West and Central African Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Mar 10, 2020 8:10 pm

evanb wrote:
ghdc10 wrote:
The trouble is that West Africans are still going to Europe/North Africa to get to North America.


Why is this troubling? European hubs are more efficient and lower cost. That's how hubs work.



Flying 7 hours to Europe, staying on the ground for 3 hours and flying 8 hours to JFK is not efficient. The direct flight from Accra is 12 hours so even with the same amount of ground time connecting in ACC you would be in the air for a lot less time. Which also means fuel costs and emissions are lower for any connecting destination that is a 4-5 hour flight away. The other factor you ignore is labor cost. ACC hub labor costs are far lower than those in Europe.
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Re: West and Central African Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Mar 11, 2020 7:12 am

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Flying 7 hours to Europe, staying on the ground for 3 hours and flying 8 hours to JFK is not efficient. The direct flight from Accra is 12 hours so even with the same amount of ground time connecting in ACC you would be in the air for a lot less time. Which also means fuel costs and emissions are lower for any connecting destination that is a 4-5 hour flight away. The other factor you ignore is labor cost. ACC hub labor costs are far lower than those in Europe.
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Firstly, efficiency within the context of hubs isn't only about time. It's measured by the number of connections you can make. Let's take AF/CDG where you have 23 West Africans destinations connecting into 18 North American destinations (that doesn't even include joint venture destinations). That gives you 414 one-stop city pairs. It's the same efficiency that allows Emirates, Ethiopian, etc to thrive as efficient hub carriers even though they add time to trips. Also, they will argue that running efficient hubs results in higher load factors and thus less fuel and emissions per passenger.

When it comes to cost, you can't just look at labour costs, but need to look at total operating costs. From experience, ACC's operating costs are much higher for many airlines than their European hubs, much. Some of this comes from scale, some from rent seeking.
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Re: West and Central African Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Mar 11, 2020 7:18 am

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evanb wrote:
AWA are mostly set up as a point-to-point operator. There would either need to be much higher frequency operations (rather than larger aircraft) or to focus on a banked up type model to really make themselves work in providing long haul connections more efficiently and consistently. However, there are costs to doing that and it probably doesn't make sense given how well they have developed their niche and the high cost base of running a hub in ACC.


I will disagree with this. If you have followed AWA's network development since the new Terminal 3 in Accra opened in October 2018, you will see a much larger focus on connecting traffic - both within the AWA network itself (viz. domestic connections via Accra, Nigeria to West Coast vv, etc..) as well as as feed to numerous interline and codeshare partners (primarily SAA, but others as well). AWA is overnighting aircraft in Abuja, Abidjan and Lagos in order to create morning feeder flights from these stations to the Accra hub - the first stages of creating a hub bank. In fact, AWA has publicly stated that connecting traffic has grown to as much as 200-300 daily passengers across various routes - a not insignificant number for a West African "hub".


I think you misread what I said. I said AWA are mostly set up as a point-to-point operator. This was their genesis. And yes, there has been more effort to increase frequency and a morning hub bank in ACC, but that is only on a small number of routes, and as you say is more to feed its own network.

Long haul carriers need a large number of feeding destinations to make it work as a long haul hub. At the moment, it only five destinations of which most of the longhaul carriers already service some of them directly.
 
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Re: West and Central African Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Mar 17, 2020 3:38 pm

In view of the Government of Ghana travel advisory prohibiting passengers who have been present in any country that has recorded 200 or more cases of COVID-19 during the last 14 days from entering Ghana, Africa World Airlines has revised flight schedules. This new schedule goes into effect from 18MAR20.

Accra to Kumasi vv : 41 weekly flights each way
Accra to Tamale vv : 28 weekly flights each way
Accra to Takoradi vv : 14 weekly flights each way
Accra to Wa (via Tamale) vv : 3 weekly flights each way

Accra to Lagos vv : 16 weekly flights each way
Accra to Abuja vv : 4 weekly flights each way
Accra to Freetown vv : 4 weekly flights each way
Accra to Monrovia vv : 4 weekly flights each way
Accra to Abidjan vv : 3 weekly flights each way
Freetown to Monrovia vv : 2 weekly flights each way

https://www.flyafricaworld.com/media-ce ... -19-alert/
 
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Re: West and Central African Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Mar 17, 2020 4:36 pm

Update from Air Senegal due to Government rules, flights are suspended to the following destinations:

Paris from March 18 to April 18, 2020

Barcelona from March 15 to April 18, 2020

Marseille from March 18 to April 18, 2020

Casablanca from March 15 to 31, 2020

Nouakchott from March 17 until further notice

Praia from March 18 until further notice

Official announcement:

https://flyairsenegal.com/air-senegal-s ... -cap-vert/
 
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Re: West and Central African Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Mar 24, 2020 3:36 am

There was a flight from ACC to IAD operated by ET on Mar 23 - departed at about 2AM in the morning. What was this flight for? Ethiopian / Ghana / US government repatriation?

https://www.flightradar24.com/2020-03-23/03:45/120x/ETH8506/24418966

Seems there is another scheduled on Tuesday as well.
 
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Re: West and Central African Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Mar 24, 2020 3:58 am

ghdc10 wrote:
There was a flight from ACC to IAD operated by ET on Mar 23 - departed at about 2AM in the morning. What was this flight for? Ethiopian / Ghana / US government repatriation?

https://www.flightradar24.com/2020-03-23/03:45/120x/ETH8506/24418966

Seems there is another scheduled on Tuesday as well.


Was wondering about it. ET is doing charter flights into IAD in addition to the existing daily from ADD. There was one extra flight out of ADD the other day, and one out of JNB just now.

Looking like repatriation flights. I also thought that ET was flying on behalf of SA but doubt it.
 
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Re: West and Central African Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Mar 24, 2020 10:11 pm

ghdc10 wrote:
There was a flight from ACC to IAD operated by ET on Mar 23 - departed at about 2AM in the morning. What was this flight for? Ethiopian / Ghana / US government repatriation?

https://www.flightradar24.com/2020-03-23/03:45/120x/ETH8506/24418966

Seems there is another scheduled on Tuesday as well.


It was a repatriation flight. There was also a repatriation flight on Delta
There will be one tomorrow from GERMANY but not sure who/what destination its a A/C that holds 270 seats and currently 252 are filled.
Next destinations, Suarabaya, beirut, paris, Accra
 
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Re: West and Central African Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Mar 25, 2020 5:37 am

ET B777 On route from JNB to SLC via LFW
Next destinations, Suarabaya, beirut, paris, Accra
 
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Re: West and Central African Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Mar 25, 2020 9:37 am

soups wrote:
ghdc10 wrote:
There was a flight from ACC to IAD operated by ET on Mar 23 - departed at about 2AM in the morning. What was this flight for? Ethiopian / Ghana / US government repatriation?

https://www.flightradar24.com/2020-03-23/03:45/120x/ETH8506/24418966

Seems there is another scheduled on Tuesday as well.


It was a repatriation flight. There was also a repatriation flight on Delta
There will be one tomorrow from GERMANY but not sure who/what destination its a A/C that holds 270 seats and currently 252 are filled.


Its a Condor 757 flying back to FRA via MLA
Next destinations, Suarabaya, beirut, paris, Accra
 
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Re: West and Central African Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Mar 25, 2020 11:21 am

soups wrote:
ET B777 On route from JNB to SLC via LFW


It would be interesting to track these flights on flightradar. does anyone have these links?
 
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Re: West and Central African Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Mar 25, 2020 5:13 pm

Can somebody advise the registrations with corresponding serials of the Ibom CRJ's please?

I was updating the ex Suncor machines on the planelogger website, but can find no reference anywhere to their registrations or ID's.

I also assume they are still flying? Until the recent global turn of events of events anyway.

Many thanks.
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Re: West and Central African Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Mar 25, 2020 8:59 pm

AF022 wrote:
soups wrote:
ET B777 On route from JNB to SLC via LFW


It would be interesting to track these flights on flightradar. does anyone have these links?


I've been tracking them. They are ending up at SLC via IAD. Originating from [ADD], JNB, ACC, LFW. The biggest establishment at SLC is the Mormon Church, so I imagine they are chartering these flights and repatriating their brethren.
 
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Re: West and Central African Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Mar 26, 2020 9:16 am

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Can somebody advise the registrations with corresponding serials of the Ibom CRJ's please?


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5N-BWL - c/n 15158
5N-BWM - c/n 15182
 
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Re: West and Central African Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Apr 07, 2020 12:31 am

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