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Re: San Francisco Bay Area Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Jan 28, 2020 9:34 pm

KLMatSJC wrote:
SonaSounds wrote:
Looks like ANA is adding a 2nd flight to Japan from SFO after JAL added a 2nd daily flight for this summer as well. Going to be a lot of new seats from SFO to Japan with ANA and JAL both serving NRT & HND with their own aircraft from SFO. (If I remember correctly...) SFO will go from 5x daily SFO-Japan to 7x daily this summer.

San Francisco (from 29 MAR 2020)
NH108 HND 22:55 - SFO 16:25)Tu, Fr, Su 773
NH107 SFO 01:45 - HND 05:00+1 Mo, We, Sa 773
(Daily from 25 MAY 2020)

This was announced a few weeks ago with ANA's large HND announcement.


I think the flight was leaked a few weeks ago, but ANA themselves confirmed it and the schedule in their press release on 1/23/2020

http://www.anahd.co.jp/group/en/pr/202001/20200123.html
 
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Re: San Francisco Bay Area Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Jan 28, 2020 9:58 pm

SonaSounds wrote:
KLMatSJC wrote:
SonaSounds wrote:
Looks like ANA is adding a 2nd flight to Japan from SFO after JAL added a 2nd daily flight for this summer as well. Going to be a lot of new seats from SFO to Japan with ANA and JAL both serving NRT & HND with their own aircraft from SFO. (If I remember correctly...) SFO will go from 5x daily SFO-Japan to 7x daily this summer.


This was announced a few weeks ago with ANA's large HND announcement.


I think the flight was leaked a few weeks ago, but ANA themselves confirmed it and the schedule in their press release on 1/23/2020

http://www.anahd.co.jp/group/en/pr/202001/20200123.html

ANA announced the flight on November 19 in a press release, but didn't have the schedule for it until last week.

https://www.anahd.co.jp/group/en/pr/201911/20191119.html
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Re: San Francisco Bay Area Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Jan 28, 2020 10:13 pm

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While AA is currently the only airline serving CLT nonstop from SFO, UA adding SFO-CLT nonstop service is a possibility with
(a) banking industry ties between SFO and CLT,
(b) 18% of passengers traveling between SFO and CLT were connecting on airlines other than AA in Q2 2019,
(c) UA FF's in the San Francisco Bay Area who prefer to fly on UA over AA,
(d) carriers other than AA such as UA, WN, or AS being the airline of choice for majority of travelers in the San Francisco Bay Area,
(e) San Francisco-based Wells Fargo having a significant presence in Charlotte,
(f) CLT being the largest market in the 50 states that UA doesn't currently serve nonstop from SFO,
and
(g) UA being able to offer international connections to Asia, Australia, and New Zealand from CLT through SFO (and vice versa) on UA and Star Alliance Asia-Pacific partners if UA adds SFO-CLT nonstop service.

I have also previously mentioned UA also adding SFO-MKE nonstop service with the lack of daily nonstop service to MKE from the San Francisco Bay area being a huge hole with WN reducing SFO-MKE nonstop service to Saturday-only in Summer 2020. Posts regarding UA possibly adding SFO-MKE nonstop service can be found at https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1411813&start=100#p21853265 and https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1411813&start=100#p21853565.

In addition to SFO-CLT and SFO-MKE, UA could also add nonstop service to ALB, BUF, CHS, DSM, ELP, JAX, LIT, SDF, MEM, ORF, RIC, and TUL out of SFO with these destinations being top domestic destinations that UA doesn't currently serve nonstop from SFO.

I could see UA connecting all of the se cities via DEN but SFO or LAX non stops? I think it's highly unlikely. UAL would HAVE to go back into both OAK and SJC to connect non stop to those cities Unless you can say which cities they would want to drop to even serve those cities. though? with all the A319-132's coming on line? They certainly could serve those cities out of SFO Non Stop. though the gate space might be limited for service to those markets out of SFO. I think they would be excellent markets for service were they to try them from OAK, SMF, or SJC...
 
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Re: San Francisco Bay Area Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 29, 2020 12:51 am

https://buffalonews.com/2020/01/28/schu ... francisco/

Schumer is pushing for SF - BUF direct flights. He did get b6 direct flights from BUF- LAX. So wonder how likely this route is.
 
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Re: San Francisco Bay Area Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 29, 2020 12:57 am

KLMatSJC wrote:
SonaSounds wrote:
KLMatSJC wrote:
This was announced a few weeks ago with ANA's large HND announcement.


I think the flight was leaked a few weeks ago, but ANA themselves confirmed it and the schedule in their press release on 1/23/2020

http://www.anahd.co.jp/group/en/pr/202001/20200123.html

ANA announced the flight on November 19 in a press release, but didn't have the schedule for it until last week.

https://www.anahd.co.jp/group/en/pr/201911/20191119.html


And by the way, flight went on sale yesterday with amazing award availability in J and F if anyone is interested. I grabbed one for next winter hoping they will put the new cabin on the route by then.
 
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Re: San Francisco Bay Area Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 29, 2020 3:43 pm

KLMatSJC wrote:
SonaSounds wrote:
KLMatSJC wrote:
This was announced a few weeks ago with ANA's large HND announcement.


I think the flight was leaked a few weeks ago, but ANA themselves confirmed it and the schedule in their press release on 1/23/2020

http://www.anahd.co.jp/group/en/pr/202001/20200123.html

ANA announced the flight on November 19 in a press release, but didn't have the schedule for it until last week.

https://www.anahd.co.jp/group/en/pr/201911/20191119.html


Ah ok that makes sense :thumbsup:
 
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Re: San Francisco Bay Area Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 29, 2020 9:06 pm

Buffalomatt1027 wrote:
https://buffalonews.com/2020/01/28/schumer-pushes-for-flights-to-san-francisco/

Schumer is pushing for SF - BUF direct flights. He did get b6 direct flights from BUF- LAX. So wonder how likely this route is.


It won't work, there are too many direct flights to SFO from YYZ with both AC/UA. LAX only works from BUF thanks to Toronto pax who are going in a tourism perspective.
 
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Re: San Francisco Bay Area Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 29, 2020 9:27 pm

YYZORD wrote:
Buffalomatt1027 wrote:
https://buffalonews.com/2020/01/28/schumer-pushes-for-flights-to-san-francisco/

Schumer is pushing for SF - BUF direct flights. He did get b6 direct flights from BUF- LAX. So wonder how likely this route is.


It won't work, there are too many direct flights to SFO from YYZ with both AC/UA. LAX only works from BUF thanks to Toronto pax who are going in a tourism perspective.


UA might actually be able to make SFO-BUF nonstop service work as the PDEW on BUF-SFO/OAK/SJC was 142 passengers per day in Q3 2019. There is also likely enough O&D traffic between the San Francisco Bay Area and BUF for UA to be able to fill an A319, A320, 737-700, or 737-800 on the SFO-BUF route.
 
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Re: San Francisco Bay Area Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 29, 2020 9:37 pm

Q3 2019 PDEW's of some other top domestic routes not currently served nonstop from the San Francisco Bay Area:
SFO/SJC/OAK-ELP - 122
SFO/SJC/OAK-MEM - 120
SFO/SJC/OAK-RIC - 116
SFO/SJC/OAK-JAX - 110
SFO/SJC/OAK-ORF - 107
SFO/SJC/OAK-ALB - 106
SFO/SJC/OAK-SDF - 100
SFO/SJC/OAK-DSM - 82 (within the range of E-175 regional jets)
SFO/SJC/OAK-TUL - 68 (within the range of E-175 regional jets)
SFO/SJC/OAK-LIT - 58 (within the range of E-175 regional jets)
 
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Re: San Francisco Bay Area Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 30, 2020 1:38 am

SFO commissioner Linda Crayton has resigned. She cited health problems in her resignation letter to the mayor. She was reportedly the target of an unsuccessful bribe from the Public Works Director and his friend to try to get contracts at the airport. There were also questions about whether or not she still lived in San Francisco, which is one of the requirements for the job.

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Re: San Francisco Bay Area Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 30, 2020 1:42 am

jplatts wrote:
SFO/SJC/OAK-ELP - 122

WN flies SJC-ELP seasonally and will likely go year round once the MAX stuff is over.
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Re: San Francisco Bay Area Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 30, 2020 2:38 am

ucdtim17 wrote:
dfwjim1 wrote:
ucdtim17 wrote:


Tragicomic for OAK that every recent addition seems to be counterbalanced by a larger reduction. One step forward, two steps back, while SFO and SJC are taking 2, 3, 4, steps forward and 0 steps back.[/quote

Unfortunately the City of Oakland and it suburbs have always been regarded as the ugly stepchild of the Bay Area due to it's high crime rate and poverty which is probably another reason while visitors and natives shy away from using OAK.


True, but that was more the case 10, 20, 30, 40 years ago than today, but OAK is probably a smaller share of the overall Bay Area air travel market today than it ever has been. Oakland the city is booming now, building more housing than SF, and has been one of the most expensive cities in the country to live in for years now. Perhaps there's just a lag, and in 2025 or 2030 OAK will finally grow (permanently) larger than it was in 2003.

OAK has now moved into one of the most expensive places to live right up there with SFO and SJC areas. the East bay has million Dollar homes to beat the Band. Oakland could serve more people if they had the flights. I live in the North Bay and would use OAK if the flights were there. But as I'm etired from United? I'm more Inclined to use SFO.
though I live equi-distant between SFO-OAK and SMF.
 
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Re: San Francisco Bay Area Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Feb 02, 2020 9:02 am

Why is there no airside connection between SFO Concourse A and Concourse G of the International Terminal?
 
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Re: San Francisco Bay Area Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Feb 02, 2020 9:13 am

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Why is there no airside connection between SFO Concourse A and Concourse G of the International Terminal?


I don’t know why it was built that way in the first place, but one of the airport’s eventual projects is to redesign the international terminal with a consolidated security checkpoint, FIS arrival facility, and connect A and G airside.
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Sun Feb 02, 2020 10:06 am

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Why is there no airside connection between SFO Concourse A and Concourse G of the International Terminal?

the A and G terminals are separated by the inbound Auto roads to the airport terminal. concourse A is on the south side of the terminal and G is on the North side, Entering the Airport terminal area, A is on your Right and ends with G on your Rights as you're leaving the Terminal area, the old international terminal now belongs to American. Right Below the Airport Tower.
 
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Re: San Francisco Bay Area Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Feb 02, 2020 10:21 am

intotheair wrote:
blacksoviet wrote:
Why is there no airside connection between SFO Concourse A and Concourse G of the International Terminal?


I don’t know why it was built that way in the first place, but one of the airport’s eventual projects is to redesign the international terminal with a consolidated security checkpoint, FIS arrival facility, and connect A and G airside.

There's no way to connect Terminal A to G Airside Physically without $Billions in renovations and relocating the entry roads to the terminal which might include short term parking, BART and the Tramway Train to Rental car and the parking Garage on North Airport Road across from the United Facility. Heck! They did a lot of "Re-Jiggerng" to get that far. Lord only knows what they'd have to spend to do it over again. Besides? I take Bart from Pittsburg in the North east Bay Straight into the Terminal when I fly out and leave my car at the Pittsburg Bart station so I don't have to walk far to get to it when I get off the Bart Train. The Ride is a little less than an hour and it's easy as heck!
 
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Re: San Francisco Bay Area Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Feb 02, 2020 10:49 am

strfyr51 wrote:
intotheair wrote:
blacksoviet wrote:
Why is there no airside connection between SFO Concourse A and Concourse G of the International Terminal?


I don’t know why it was built that way in the first place, but one of the airport’s eventual projects is to redesign the international terminal with a consolidated security checkpoint, FIS arrival facility, and connect A and G airside.

There's no way to connect Terminal A to G Airside Physically without $Billions in renovations and relocating the entry roads to the terminal which might include short term parking, BART and the Tramway Train to Rental car and the parking Garage on North Airport Road across from the United Facility.

That's not true at all. There's a corridor behind the FIS already that will become secure. It really won't be too much. I don't know about the consolidated security, but I know that there will be one big international baggage claim instead of 2 for A and G.

There was never really a point to having a connector from A to G in the first place. The only one that was really ever needed was the F to G connector for UA connections. Even now, I don't see a real demand for connecting them, but I do like the idea of the entire airport connected behind security. On that note, the T2-T3 connector should be done within the next few months. I think that only leaves G-A-B-C left to be done.
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Re: San Francisco Bay Area Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Feb 02, 2020 12:18 pm

KLMatSJC wrote:
strfyr51 wrote:
intotheair wrote:

I don’t know why it was built that way in the first place, but one of the airport’s eventual projects is to redesign the international terminal with a consolidated security checkpoint, FIS arrival facility, and connect A and G airside.

There's no way to connect Terminal A to G Airside Physically without $Billions in renovations and relocating the entry roads to the terminal which might include short term parking, BART and the Tramway Train to Rental car and the parking Garage on North Airport Road across from the United Facility.

That's not true at all. There's a corridor behind the FIS already that will become secure. It really won't be too much. I don't know about the consolidated security, but I know that there will be one big international baggage claim instead of 2 for A and G.

There was never really a point to having a connector from A to G in the first place. The only one that was really ever needed was the F to G connector for UA connections. Even now, I don't see a real demand for connecting them, but I do like the idea of the entire airport connected behind security. On that note, the T2-T3 connector should be done within the next few months. I think that only leaves G-A-B-C left to be done.

Is there no FIS in Terminal 3?
The upper two floors of Terminal 2 are being demolished. When were these floors built? Which airline had offices there?
 
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Re: San Francisco Bay Area Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Feb 02, 2020 4:19 pm

Is Qatar still starting SFO? Answer may be dug somewhere in the old thread, sorry
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Re: San Francisco Bay Area Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Feb 02, 2020 6:06 pm

strfyr51 wrote:
intotheair wrote:
blacksoviet wrote:
Why is there no airside connection between SFO Concourse A and Concourse G of the International Terminal?


I don’t know why it was built that way in the first place, but one of the airport’s eventual projects is to redesign the international terminal with a consolidated security checkpoint, FIS arrival facility, and connect A and G airside.

There's no way to connect Terminal A to G Airside Physically without $Billions in renovations and relocating the entry roads to the terminal which might include short term parking, BART and the Tramway Train to Rental car and the parking Garage on North Airport Road across from the United Facility. Heck! They did a lot of "Re-Jiggerng" to get that far. Lord only knows what they'd have to spend to do it over again. Besides? I take Bart from Pittsburg in the North east Bay Straight into the Terminal when I fly out and leave my car at the Pittsburg Bart station so I don't have to walk far to get to it when I get off the Bart Train. The Ride is a little less than an hour and it's easy as heck!


I’d be concerned about vandalism and theft in the BART parking lot. My car was broken into many years ago at the Fremont station while I was at an A’s game.
 
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Re: San Francisco Bay Area Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Feb 02, 2020 6:17 pm

strfyr51 wrote:
I take Bart from Pittsburg in the North east Bay Straight into the Terminal when I fly out and leave my car at the Pittsburg Bart station so I don't have to walk far to get to it when I get off the Bart Train. The Ride is a little less than an hour and it's easy as heck!


BART Pittsburg to SFO is 1:25 on the schedule with variation more likely longer than shorter
 
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Re: San Francisco Bay Area Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Feb 02, 2020 7:26 pm

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Is there no FIS in Terminal 3?
The upper two floors of Terminal 2 are being demolished. When were these floors built? Which airline had offices there?


FIS is only in the international terminal. There's plans to make swing gates in both B and F, but the FIS itself will only be in the international terminal.

On top of T2 were the old ramp and control towers. The offices were mainly FAA in the later years. They might have been airline offices in the early days of the building though.

as739x wrote:
Is Qatar still starting SFO? Answer may be dug somewhere in the old thread, sorry

Eventually I'd assume. AAB also said that they'd start LAS, and that hasn't come to fruition yet either.
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Re: San Francisco Bay Area Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Feb 02, 2020 7:40 pm

KLMatSJC wrote:
blacksoviet wrote:
Is there no FIS in Terminal 3?
The upper two floors of Terminal 2 are being demolished. When were these floors built? Which airline had offices there?


FIS is only in the international terminal. There's plans to make swing gates in both B and F, but the FIS itself will only be in the international terminal.

On top of T2 were the old ramp and control towers. The offices were mainly FAA in the later years. They might have been airline offices in the early days of the building though.

as739x wrote:
Is Qatar still starting SFO? Answer may be dug somewhere in the old thread, sorry

Eventually I'd assume. AAB also said that they'd start LAS, and that hasn't come to fruition yet either.

Does United still have any 747-capable gates at T3?
 
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Sun Feb 02, 2020 9:05 pm

KLMatSJC wrote:
strfyr51 wrote:
intotheair wrote:

I don’t know why it was built that way in the first place, but one of the airport’s eventual projects is to redesign the international terminal with a consolidated security checkpoint, FIS arrival facility, and connect A and G airside.

There's no way to connect Terminal A to G Airside Physically without $Billions in renovations and relocating the entry roads to the terminal which might include short term parking, BART and the Tramway Train to Rental car and the parking Garage on North Airport Road across from the United Facility.

That's not true at all. There's a corridor behind the FIS already that will become secure. It really won't be too much. I don't know about the consolidated security, but I know that there will be one big international baggage claim instead of 2 for A and G.

There was never really a point to having a connector from A to G in the first place. The only one that was really ever needed was the F to G connector for UA connections. Even now, I don't see a real demand for connecting them, but I do like the idea of the entire airport connected behind security. On that note, the T2-T3 connector should be done within the next few months. I think that only leaves G-A-B-C left to be done.


It's definitely possible to connect them – the international terminal main hall is above the access road to T1/2/3, and right now, you can physically walk between the security checkpoints for A and G by walking through the check-in desks.

I'm not really sure why SFO wants to connect A and G airside, either, but they have plans to. You can see some various diagrams in the link below on how they might do it. The single security checkpoint would likely be right in the middle of the main hall where two aisles of check-in desks currently are. Looks like it would block off the landside portion of the G-to-F connector. It reminds me a little bit of how DEN is currently redoing its main hall.

http://media.flysfo.com.s3.amazonaws.co ... rtures.pdf

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I’d be concerned about vandalism and theft in the BART parking lot. My car was broken into many years ago at the Fremont station while I was at an A’s game.


That is part of the reason why the San Bruno station is one of my favorites - the police station is literally in the garage. I usually try to avoid parking at BART, though probably more because of the tight parking spaces and a general lack of spaces.
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Re: San Francisco Bay Area Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Feb 09, 2020 6:15 am

Strong north winds expected at SFO on Sunday. Could see some rare and exciting circle-to-land Rwy 1R approaches.
 
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Sun Feb 09, 2020 11:13 am

The first QF59 BNE-SFO has just departed BNE
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Re: San Francisco Bay Area Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Feb 14, 2020 5:03 pm

New SkyTerrace offically open.

https://www.bizjournals.com/sanfrancisc ... s_headline

Are large DSLR cameras with longish lenses allowed?
 
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Re: San Francisco Bay Area Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Feb 14, 2020 5:28 pm

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New SkyTerrace offically open.

https://www.bizjournals.com/sanfrancisc ... s_headline

Are large DSLR cameras with longish lenses allowed?


It appears so: https://twitter.com/flySFO/status/12281 ... 20/photo/1
 
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Re: San Francisco Bay Area Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Feb 16, 2020 6:26 am

Question regarding the new AA/AS partnership... will AA still move out of Terminal 2 into the new Terminal 1 gates?

Was AA's original consolidation to T1 because Alaska needed all T2 gates?
 
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Mon Feb 17, 2020 11:20 pm

OAK struggles covered in the Chron today. https://www.sfchronicle.com/business/ar ... 061091.php
 
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Re: San Francisco Bay Area Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Feb 18, 2020 4:20 am

Ishrion wrote:
Question regarding the new AA/AS partnership... will AA still move out of Terminal 2 into the new Terminal 1 gates?

Was AA's original consolidation to T1 because Alaska needed all T2 gates?


I assumed that ship has sailed. My understanding is that UA will likely get some of the T2 gates given how high their utilization is on their SFO gates. Not a ton of useful or unique AA to AS connections at SFO anyway.
 
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Tue Feb 18, 2020 1:44 pm

SFOtoORD wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
Question regarding the new AA/AS partnership... will AA still move out of Terminal 2 into the new Terminal 1 gates?

Was AA's original consolidation to T1 because Alaska needed all T2 gates?


I assumed that ship has sailed. My understanding is that UA will likely get some of the T2 gates given how high their utilization is on their SFO gates. Not a ton of useful or unique AA to AS connections at SFO anyway.

If that's the case, then AS may have cut too much from SFO. They probably should have run more low capacity jets to PNW to get enough utilization out of their gates. Hard for them to argue for the new of all T2 gates if UA is using their gates more aggressively.
 
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Tue Feb 18, 2020 4:50 pm

The ramp tower and FAA offices on top of T2 have been demolished.
 
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Re: San Francisco Bay Area Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Feb 18, 2020 5:38 pm

SFOtoORD wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
Question regarding the new AA/AS partnership... will AA still move out of Terminal 2 into the new Terminal 1 gates?

Was AA's original consolidation to T1 because Alaska needed all T2 gates?


I assumed that ship has sailed. My understanding is that UA will likely get some of the T2 gates given how high their utilization is on their SFO gates. Not a ton of useful or unique AA to AS connections at SFO anyway.


I would think that at some point, AS would want to move into T1, since that will be the quasi-OneWorld terminal. It would be less about AA and more about the intl connections.
 
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Re: San Francisco Bay Area Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Feb 26, 2020 12:42 am

Frontier adding seasonal daily PHX-SJC starting 4/23. Frankly it's the most reasonable dart they've thrown at the board so far from SJC considering the relatively high fares on this route. Looks to be 1x daily unfortunately, not going to be the most useful for single-day business occasions.

Departs PHX 7:22, arrives SJC 9:19.
Departs SJC 10:04, arrives PHX 12:08.

https://news.flyfrontier.com/frontier-a ... -san-jose/
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Re: San Francisco Bay Area Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Feb 27, 2020 11:35 pm

Will there ever be an air side connector between Boarding Area B and Boarding Area A? I know that there will be a corridor connecting some B gates to the FIS but this will be for international arrivals only.

What about a connector for people arriving in Boarding Area B and connecting to a flight in Boarding Area A?
 
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Re: San Francisco Bay Area Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Feb 28, 2020 1:15 am

blacksoviet wrote:
Will there ever be an air side connector between Boarding Area B and Boarding Area A? I know that there will be a corridor connecting some B gates to the FIS but this will be for international arrivals only.

What about a connector for people arriving in Boarding Area B and connecting to a flight in Boarding Area A?


Yes . . .

"SFO is redeveloping Harvey Milk Terminal 1, one of its oldest terminals, to meet the needs of modern travelers and revolutionize the guest experience. Harvey Milk Terminal 1 was built in the early 1960s and over time has become less able to accommodate the millions of passengers that it handles each year. When fully completed in 2022, Harvey Milk Terminal 1 will elevate SFO’s standard of providing a world-class, environmentally friendly travel experience and is expected to meet or exceed the award-winning environmental standards of Terminal 2 and Terminal 3 Boarding Area E.

The $2.4 billion project includes:

design and construction of Harvey Milk Terminal 1’s pre-security concourse
a new Boarding Area B (B/A B) with improved passenger circulation and access to its 25 gates, new passenger loading bridges and new concessions
a spacious central concourse with an art gallery, food halls showcasing the best in Bay Area fare, and integrated technology to facilitate the passenger journey
a new mezzanine with connections to the AirTrain, public transit and the Central Parking Garage
convenient new post-security corridors connecting to the International Terminal A gates and Boarding Area C."

https://www.flysfo.com/about-sfo/airport-development/t1
 
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Re: San Francisco Bay Area Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Feb 28, 2020 3:14 am

Will the Admiral’s Club in T2 be turned into a United Club once AA moves to T1? Or will it become more retail?


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Re: San Francisco Bay Area Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Feb 28, 2020 3:52 am

scairbus wrote:
Will the Admiral’s Club in T2 be turned into a United Club once AA moves to T1? Or will it become more retail?


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I doubt it. United is gaining three gates in T2, not enough to justify a United Club. If there was a United Club, passengers departing from Boarding Area E would have the tough decision of using the T2 United Club or the T3 Club.

Does Southwest have the old Boarding Area B all to themselves now?
 
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Re: San Francisco Bay Area Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Feb 28, 2020 7:44 am

STS: The Santa Rosa Press Democrat reported today that Sun Country will not be returning to STS/Sonoma County this summer, dropping STS-MSP/LAS.
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Re: San Francisco Bay Area Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Feb 28, 2020 8:22 am

blacksoviet wrote:
scairbus wrote:
Will the Admiral’s Club in T2 be turned into a United Club once AA moves to T1? Or will it become more retail?

I doubt it. United is gaining three gates in T2, not enough to justify a United Club. If there was a United Club, passengers departing from Boarding Area E would have the tough decision of using the T2 United Club or the T3 Club.


Why bother connecting airside to T3 then? United could run a shuttle like they did to T1 if it’s only going to be 2-3 gates. Feels like they will be getting more and won’t be leaving after B/A F is done being renovated.
 
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Re: San Francisco Bay Area Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Feb 28, 2020 8:39 am

scairbus wrote:
blacksoviet wrote:
scairbus wrote:
Will the Admiral’s Club in T2 be turned into a United Club once AA moves to T1? Or will it become more retail?

I doubt it. United is gaining three gates in T2, not enough to justify a United Club. If there was a United Club, passengers departing from Boarding Area E would have the tough decision of using the T2 United Club or the T3 Club.


Why bother connecting airside to T3 then? United could run a shuttle like they did to T1 if it’s only going to be 2-3 gates. Feels like they will be getting more and won’t be leaving after B/A F is done being renovated.

I don’t understand why American is abandoning T2 altogether. Isn’t B/A C controlled by Delta?
 
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Re: San Francisco Bay Area Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Feb 28, 2020 4:14 pm

blacksoviet wrote:
scairbus wrote:
blacksoviet wrote:
I doubt it. United is gaining three gates in T2, not enough to justify a United Club. If there was a United Club, passengers departing from Boarding Area E would have the tough decision of using the T2 United Club or the T3 Club.


Why bother connecting airside to T3 then? United could run a shuttle like they did to T1 if it’s only going to be 2-3 gates. Feels like they will be getting more and won’t be leaving after B/A F is done being renovated.

I don’t understand why American is abandoning T2 altogether. Isn’t B/A C controlled by Delta?


Part of the contract with the City and AA, moving them from E, was they would get first priority on gates in the T1 project. I think part of the Admirals Club may have also been paid for, but don't quote me on that part. (I will have to check my sources)

With AS joining OW, it will be interesting if a reshuffling of carriers takes place. Possibly going B6 and HA over to T2?
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Re: San Francisco Bay Area Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Feb 28, 2020 4:47 pm

blacksoviet wrote:
I don’t understand why American is abandoning T2 altogether. Isn’t B/A C controlled by Delta?


AA is moving to B/A B. Delta has most of B/A C, but I think AS uses gates there so not all of it is DL.
 
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Re: San Francisco Bay Area Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Feb 28, 2020 8:23 pm

as739x wrote:
blacksoviet wrote:
scairbus wrote:

Why bother connecting airside to T3 then? United could run a shuttle like they did to T1 if it’s only going to be 2-3 gates. Feels like they will be getting more and won’t be leaving after B/A F is done being renovated.

I don’t understand why American is abandoning T2 altogether. Isn’t B/A C controlled by Delta?


Part of the contract with the City and AA, moving them from E, was they would get first priority on gates in the T1 project. I think part of the Admirals Club may have also been paid for, but don't quote me on that part. (I will have to check my sources)

With AS joining OW, it will be interesting if a reshuffling of carriers takes place. Possibly going B6 and HA over to T2?

I was thinking the same. With an expanded T1, could AA/AS colocate in T1B? DL can be in T1C as well. Then both oneworld and SkyTeam carriers can have hazzle-free transfer from domestic to international connections in concourse A. Southwest, HA, Frontier, Sun Country, etc could move to T2 (not dependent on connections) and UA can use a few gates there as well.
 
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Re: San Francisco Bay Area Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Feb 28, 2020 10:08 pm

The airlines at SFO are constantly reshuffling do to construction over the last ten years. I wonder where JetBlue will end up when it is all over. I think they will head back to BA/C after the reconstruction. BA/C is too big for Delta to have all to themselves.

I think US Airways was in Boarding Area B until the merger. I think back in the 2000s, Boarding Area B was for Continental, Southwest, and US Airways.

Does anybody remember which gates America West had?
 
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Re: San Francisco Bay Area Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Feb 28, 2020 11:01 pm

SonaSounds wrote:
ricq wrote:
New SkyTerrace offically open.

https://www.bizjournals.com/sanfrancisc ... s_headline

Are large DSLR cameras with longish lenses allowed?


It appears so: https://twitter.com/flySFO/status/12281 ... 20/photo/1


I was there the day it opened. It is a very nice and peaceful place. The glass does hamper views a little especially with a camera. But it is definitely AvGeek heaven.
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Re: San Francisco Bay Area Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Mar 03, 2020 11:30 pm

Looks like Turkish is increasing SFO from 7x weekly to 10x weekly

https://www.turkishairlines.com/en-us/n ... lease/?p=2


FLT NBR START END DAYS DEP ARR
TK 079 29/03/2020 24/10/2020 1234567 IST 13:10 16:30 SFO
TK 080 28/03/2020 28/03/2020 .....6. SFO 19:15 18:15 IST
TK 080 29/03/2020 23/10/2020 1234567 SFO 18:10 17:15 IST
TK 189 07/06/2020 04/10/2020 ..3.5.7 IST 09:55 13:15 SFO
TK 190 07/06/2020 04/10/2020 ..3.5.7 SFO 14:45 13:50 IST
All times are in LMT
 
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Re: San Francisco Bay Area Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Mar 13, 2020 9:19 pm

NH will suspend TYO-SJC service after March 24, leaving only BA for intercontinental service with HU indefinitely suspended. No word yet if BA will be suspending as well with the European travel ban and SJC not being one of the 13 approved airports for travelers coming from non-UK Europe.
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