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South Florida Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Dec 31, 2019 4:22 pm

Welcome to the South Florida Aviation Thread 2020. Please continue your discussion and to post your updates here.

Link to previous thread:

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Wed Jan 01, 2020 9:11 pm

Happy New Year, everyone!

Can’t wait to see what 2020 has in store!
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Re: South Florida Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 09, 2020 2:04 pm

American Airlines to start daily Boeing 787-8 service from Miami to Montevideo from January 7, 2021.

The 767 currently operates this route.

AA989 MIA2245 – 0959+1MVD 788 D
AA984 MVD2059 – 0418+1MIA 788 D
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Re: South Florida Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 09, 2020 2:56 pm

NK adding Bucaramanga and Barranquilla from FLL (already being discussed in the forum here - viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1438559 )

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/busine ... 30898.html
 
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Re: South Florida Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Jan 11, 2020 8:07 pm

Trying to book Fll-Phx on AA, it shows on the route map but can’t find the non stop. Has it not stated yet??
 
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Sat Jan 11, 2020 11:38 pm

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Trying to book Fll-Phx on AA, it shows on the route map but can’t find the non stop. Has it not stated yet??


Seasonal and only during winter break.
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Sat Jan 11, 2020 11:48 pm

I am flying SBA-FLL tomorrow and was hoping to avoid changing planes in DFW. I much prefer PHX but seasonal doesn't help me.
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Sun Jan 12, 2020 1:18 am

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93Sierra wrote:
Trying to book Fll-Phx on AA, it shows on the route map but can’t find the non stop. Has it not stated yet??


Seasonal and only during winter break.


It was only for 3 weeks.....
 
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Wed Jan 15, 2020 5:43 pm

Alaska to discontinue FLL-LAX service effective May 20, 2020.
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Re: South Florida Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 16, 2020 1:16 pm

Since it was not yet mentioned here on airliners.net, Wamos will start a weekly route MAD-SFB, Madrid - Orlando Sanford International Airport (secondary airport of Orlando) for the summer season with this schedule, on Saturdays with an A330-300 between 27th June and 22nd August.

EB-6044
14:25h MADRID (MAD)
18:00h ORLANDO (SFB)

EB-6144
20:30h ORLANDO (SFB)
11:00h MADRID (MAD)

More info: https://www.hosteltur.com/133843_wamos- ... erano.html
 
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Thu Jan 16, 2020 2:33 pm

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Since it was not yet mentioned here on airliners.net, Wamos will start a weekly route MAD-SFB, Madrid - Orlando Sanford International Airport (secondary airport of Orlando) for the summer season with this schedule, on Saturdays with an A330-300 between 27th June and 22nd August.

EB-6044
14:25h MADRID (MAD)
18:00h ORLANDO (SFB)

EB-6144
20:30h ORLANDO (SFB)
11:00h MADRID (MAD)

More info: https://www.hosteltur.com/133843_wamos- ... erano.html



Put that HERE:
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Fri Jan 17, 2020 5:32 pm

Avianca plans to increase Lima-Miami service from one daily to twice daily effective March 29, 2020.
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Re: South Florida Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Jan 17, 2020 5:33 pm

Delta has just announced:

MIA-MCO 5x daily E-175
MIA-RDU 2x daily E-175
MIA-SLC 1x daily 737-800
MIA-TPA 5x daily E-175
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Re: South Florida Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Jan 17, 2020 5:33 pm

Spirit Airlines to start Fort Lauderdale – Oakland service from April 1, 2020. Daily, A320.

NK049 FLL1720 – 2055OAK 320 D
NK048 OAK2145 – 0600+1FLL 320 D
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Re: South Florida Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Jan 17, 2020 5:36 pm

Delta plans to increase the service on the following routes:

Miami-Atlanta: From 77 to 84 times weekly from April 13, 2020 with A321;

Miami-Detroit: From 14 to 21 times weekly from March 17, 2020 with A319;

Miami-Minneapolis: From 14 to 21 times weekly from February 13,2020 with A319;

Miami-New York LaGuardia: From 14 to 21 times weekly from February 13, with A320.
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Re: South Florida Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Jan 17, 2020 5:36 pm

Bahamasair plans to launch 3 weekly Georgetown-Fort Lauderdale service with ATR 42 from April 5, 2020.
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Re: South Florida Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Jan 17, 2020 10:12 pm

Looks like DL is gearing up for a fight with AA at MIA. I'm assuming these additional flights will handle Latam connecting traffic from the Codeshare.
 
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Re: South Florida Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Jan 19, 2020 3:46 pm

Anyone know why NK is using a Miami Air 788 on their ORD-RSW route... has been operating consistently on the route for a while now...
 
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Re: South Florida Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Jan 19, 2020 4:16 pm

Are we including RSW in this thread
 
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Re: South Florida Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Jan 19, 2020 4:18 pm

Karlsands wrote:
Are we including RSW in this thread

IIRC, there is a dedicated Southwest Florida thread.
 
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Sun Jan 19, 2020 11:08 pm

Karlsands wrote:
Are we including RSW in this thread


Yes, RSW is part of South Florida.
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Re: South Florida Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Jan 19, 2020 11:30 pm

Miami wrote:
Karlsands wrote:
Are we including RSW in this thread


Yes, RSW is part of South Florida.


So is TPA, then.

We all know South Florida is synonymous with the MIA region.
 
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Sun Jan 19, 2020 11:45 pm

axiom wrote:
Miami wrote:
Karlsands wrote:
Are we including RSW in this thread


Yes, RSW is part of South Florida.


So is TPA, then.

We all know South Florida is synonymous with the MIA region.


TPA is Central Florida.
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Re: South Florida Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Jan 20, 2020 12:04 am

Miami wrote:
Alaska to discontinue FLL-LAX service effective May 20, 2020.


This is not accurate, althoughI do know Airlineroute.net reported this wrongly. It is being suspended May 20th through October 8th. 737MAX issues plus the Seattle buildup have them suspending some LAX/SF flying.
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Mon Jan 20, 2020 12:06 am

Miami wrote:
axiom wrote:
Miami wrote:

Yes, RSW is part of South Florida.


So is TPA, then.

We all know South Florida is synonymous with the MIA region.


TPA is Central Florida.


Tell that to the University of South Florida.

We could go around all day. Point is, RSW is by no measure in the same region as MIA/FLL/PBI, and that’s common sense.
 
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Mon Jan 20, 2020 3:37 am

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axiom wrote:
Miami wrote:
axiom wrote:

So is TPA, then.

We all know South Florida is synonymous with the MIA region.


TPA is Central Florida.


Tell that to the University of South Florida.

We could go around all day. Point is, RSW is by no measure in the same region as MIA/FLL/PBI, and that’s common sense.

No more then an hour and a half away , so that’s debatable, South is south , that should include south east and south west . “That’s common sense”
 
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Mon Jan 20, 2020 4:03 am

Karlsands wrote:
[threeid]h[/threeid]
axiom wrote:
Miami wrote:

TPA is Central Florida.


Tell that to the University of South Florida.

We could go around all day. Point is, RSW is by no measure in the same region as MIA/FLL/PBI, and that’s common sense.

No more then an hour and a half away , so that’s debatable, South is south , that should include south east and south west . “That’s common sense”


CNN disagrees :lol:
https://www.cnn.com/travel/gallery/sout ... index.html
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Mon Jan 20, 2020 6:12 am

Well, we discussed this before. RSW is included while TPA is not.
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Re: South Florida Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Jan 20, 2020 6:13 am

Avianca plans to suspend San Pedro Sula-Miami service from March 26, 2020.
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Mon Jan 20, 2020 6:15 am

More flights out of SFO, SJC, and MCI.
http://news.aa.com/news/news-details/20 ... e-NET-OTH/
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Mon Jan 20, 2020 6:21 am

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Anyone know why NK is using a Miami Air 788 on their ORD-RSW route... has been operating consistently on the route for a while now...


For starters, it's actually a 738 - LL's fleet consists only of 737s, no 787s.

That said, it could either be an aircraft shortage or extra capacity for the MLK holiday, but N758MA has shown up on a few NK flights over the past week or two:

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n758ma

It's shown up on both the NK121 ORD-RSW/NK220 RSW-ORD round-trip and the NK1167 ORD-PHX/NK1168 PHX-ORD this weekend.

Those flights typically see an A320neo, for what it's worth, and the 320neo is slated to return to the runs on Tuesday.

EDIT: Apparently, on the NK forum, there's speculation that the LL 738 was brought in after an NK A319 was involved in some sort of incident at BQN (I have not been able to independently confirm that, so that that with a grain of salt).
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Re: South Florida Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Jan 21, 2020 6:21 pm

MIAFLLPBIFlyer wrote:
B6 has gained against WN every quarter in the markets they are in. Even in the most recent Q3 results. WN is not in growth mode anymore in FLL. Their latam hub is now moved to HOU.


WN had recently added seasonal Saturday-only nonstop service to FLL from BHM, CVG, CLE, SDF, and ROC in the Eastern U.S.

WN actually still has slightly more market share on domestic air travel than B6 does at FLL. In addition, WN also offers 1-stop connecting service to FLL from many contiguous U.S. destinations not served by B6.

WN also serves HAV and PLS nonstop from FLL but not from HOU.

FLL is also a much better connecting point than HOU is for connections to the Caribbean from the Midwest, Northeast, Mid-Atlantic, and Southeast.
 
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Re: South Florida Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 22, 2020 4:46 pm

American Airlines handled a record 30.3 million passengers at MIA in 2019, up 1.7% year-on-year.

American Airlines VP of Miami hub operations Juan Carlos Liscano said the AA also posted a "record operational performance at MIA with our best baggage handling numbers as well as our second best on-time performance in our history".

https://www.companynewshq.com/company-n ... s-in-2019/
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Re: South Florida Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 22, 2020 5:44 pm

MAH4546 wrote:
Miami wrote:
Alaska to discontinue FLL-LAX service effective May 20, 2020.


This is not accurate, althoughI do know Airlineroute.net reported this wrongly. It is being suspended May 20th through October 8th. 737MAX issues plus the Seattle buildup have them suspending some LAX/SF flying.


Yes it is back in the winter. However, one place B6 is thriving in FLL despite other struggles is on the MINT service to LAX and SFO. It's very difficult to compete for any south Florida originating premium traffic going from FLL to LAX/SFO now for UA and AS.
 
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Wed Jan 22, 2020 6:25 pm

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Spirit Airlines to start Fort Lauderdale – Oakland service from April 1, 2020. Daily, A320.

NK049 FLL1720 – 2055OAK 320 D
NK048 OAK2145 – 0600+1FLL 320 D


Lawd .. the idea of sitting for 6.5 hrs on a Spirit torture chamber A320 .. I can't even imagine. The 1:40 BDL-MYR I fly them on once a year is long enough !!
 
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Re: South Florida Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Jan 24, 2020 5:03 am

American Airlines now owns a hangar in the north side of MIA. Previously owned by Centurion.

AA is planning to demolish current hangar to expand Concourse D. However, that could be years from now.
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Re: South Florida Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 30, 2020 2:01 am

American Airlines has applied for 14 more flights on Miami-Havana service.
If approved, the new flights will begin on June 4, 2020 on board a Boeing 737-800.
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Thu Jan 30, 2020 2:05 am

Southwest Florida International Airport Reports Record-Breaking December and Year-End Traffic:
https://www.aviationpros.com/airports/a ... nd-traffic
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Thu Jan 30, 2020 2:17 am

MIA has gained a new passenger record: 45,924,466.
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Thu Jan 30, 2020 2:30 am

[quote="Miami"]American Airlines has applied for 14 more flights on Miami-Havana service.
If approved, the new flights will begin on June 4, 2020 on board a Boeing 737-800.[/quot

Nobody else seems to do good on these flights to the forbidden land ... how does American do it when nobody else can ?

Should American fly directly from MIA to other Cuban cities bypassing HAVANA ?
 
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Thu Jan 30, 2020 2:45 am

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American Airlines has applied for 14 more flights on Miami-Havana service.
If approved, the new flights will begin on June 4, 2020 on board a Boeing 737-800.[/quot

Nobody else seems to do good on these flights to the forbidden land ... how does American do it when nobody else can ?

Should American fly directly from MIA to other Cuban cities bypassing HAVANA ?


Delta does well on Miami-Havana and I bet they ask for these frequencies as well.

American had an extensive network to other Cuban cities, but the U.S. government has suspended operations from the U.S. to all Cuban airports except Havana.
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Thu Jan 30, 2020 2:54 am

MAH4546 wrote:
crjflyboy wrote:
Miami wrote:
American Airlines has applied for 14 more flights on Miami-Havana service.
If approved, the new flights will begin on June 4, 2020 on board a Boeing 737-800.[/quot

Nobody else seems to do good on these flights to the forbidden land ... how does American do it when nobody else can ?

Should American fly directly from MIA to other Cuban cities bypassing HAVANA ?


Delta does well on Miami-Havana and I bet they ask for these frequencies as well.

American had an extensive network to other Cuban cities, but the U.S. government has suspended operations from the U.S. to all Cuban airports except Havana.


Hard to keep up with the ever changing nonsense to get there ... I was there on church group 2 years ago ... we brought nearly no clothes, but a lot of SEARS Craftsmen tools with us ... The Cubans knew exactly what they were looking at it ... it was Christmas to everyone in the village
 
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Mon Feb 03, 2020 8:48 pm

Rumors going around that AA is going to announce a new route from MIA. Possibly tomorrow.
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Tue Feb 04, 2020 4:28 pm

“12 more year-round, daily domestic frequencies, including increased flying from Nashville (BNA), Boston (BOS), Houston (IAH), Orlando (MCO), Raleigh-Durham (RDU) and Tampa (TPA) to MIA.

Additional flight from MIA to GIG during the peak winter months on a Boeing 787-8.”

http://news.aa.com/news/news-details/20 ... fault.aspx
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Re: South Florida Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Feb 17, 2020 2:25 pm

Is AS going to fly to Miami because of Oneworld now?
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Mon Feb 17, 2020 2:43 pm

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Is AS going to fly to Miami because of Oneworld now?


I'd expect that. FLL to be considered for closure with one caveat. I recall when the flight to SEA was switched from MIA to FLL one of the factors was Microsoft's LATAM HQ being in Fort Lauderdale, north of FLL (Midtown) and Citrix being based in Lauderdale - Citrix has a large Seattle presence.

These tech companies could still be a factor which would allowed FLL to remain open with a daily SEA flight but the now reduced to seasonal LAX and SFO flights moved to MIA in addition to possibly SAN, SJC and PDX being opened from MIA. Obviously one SEA daily shifted to MIA.

Or AA could do the MIA flying with AS remaining at FLL as noted above there is corporate traffic that on this specific route would prefer Fort Lauderdale (most corporate traffic of course prefers Miami, but this case appears somewhat different).

It is also possible given AA now linking South Asia (Bengaluru) to Seattle, they'd want FLL-SEA to remain open because generally more of the community flying to South Asia is in Broward/Palm Beach than Dade.

Lots of possibilities and questions!
 
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Re: South Florida Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Feb 17, 2020 4:33 pm

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Is AS going to fly to Miami because of Oneworld now?


I am not sure why they would not leave the operations as is. With AS taking care of FLL-West Coast and AA taking care of MIA. Maybe see AS on SEA-MIA. Unless FLL is not making money for them and moving to MIA makes more sense, I don't see the reason to change the way it is now, because connection FLL to SEA/LAX seems like a win for both airlines.
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Mon Feb 17, 2020 5:30 pm

flymia wrote:
Geminijets101 wrote:
Is AS going to fly to Miami because of Oneworld now?


I am not sure why they would not leave the operations as is. With AS taking care of FLL-West Coast and AA taking care of MIA. Maybe see AS on SEA-MIA. Unless FLL is not making money for them and moving to MIA makes more sense, I don't see the reason to change the way it is now, because connection FLL to SEA/LAX seems like a win for both airlines.


At some point in the near future, B6 will enter FLL-SEA which will severely hurt AS yield here. AS has already made FLL-LAX seasonal and I don't think it's going to last much longer. It seems like an obvious move to relocate to MIA and pick up all the feed they get there. They could try their own meta on MIA-LAX. Hard to see how it can do worse than FLL-LAX.
 
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Mon Feb 17, 2020 5:47 pm

tphuang wrote:
flymia wrote:
Geminijets101 wrote:
Is AS going to fly to Miami because of Oneworld now?


I am not sure why they would not leave the operations as is. With AS taking care of FLL-West Coast and AA taking care of MIA. Maybe see AS on SEA-MIA. Unless FLL is not making money for them and moving to MIA makes more sense, I don't see the reason to change the way it is now, because connection FLL to SEA/LAX seems like a win for both airlines.


At some point in the near future, B6 will enter FLL-SEA which will severely hurt AS yield here. AS has already made FLL-LAX seasonal and I don't think it's going to last much longer. It seems like an obvious move to relocate to MIA and pick up all the feed they get there. They could try their own meta on MIA-LAX. Hard to see how it can do worse than FLL-LAX.


FLLLAX remains year round. It is being temporarily suspend on a one time basis for five months.

No reason to see AS leave FLL. If anything the AA partnership will strengthen it on FLL-SEA/LAX/SFO.

That said a daily AS 737 to Miami from Seattle, and maybe Portland, is a logical add.
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Re: South Florida Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Feb 17, 2020 5:53 pm

MAH4546 wrote:
tphuang wrote:
flymia wrote:

I am not sure why they would not leave the operations as is. With AS taking care of FLL-West Coast and AA taking care of MIA. Maybe see AS on SEA-MIA. Unless FLL is not making money for them and moving to MIA makes more sense, I don't see the reason to change the way it is now, because connection FLL to SEA/LAX seems like a win for both airlines.


At some point in the near future, B6 will enter FLL-SEA which will severely hurt AS yield here. AS has already made FLL-LAX seasonal and I don't think it's going to last much longer. It seems like an obvious move to relocate to MIA and pick up all the feed they get there. They could try their own meta on MIA-LAX. Hard to see how it can do worse than FLL-LAX.


FLLLAX remains year round. It is being temporarily suspend on a one time basis for five months.

No reason to see AS leave FLL. If anything the AA partnership will strengthen it on FLL-SEA/LAX/SFO.

That said a daily AS 737 to Miami from Seattle, and maybe Portland, is a logical add.


The obvious reality facing as is that b6 has killed them out of FLL to SFO and lax since they entered. That can easily be proved. Mint eats as out for lunch on transcons market. Considering aa itself has minimal presence at FLL. It baffles my mind you keep dreaming as will come back on these routes when it seems much better served to try things out with aa feeds at Mia. It really makes no sense for as to have presence on both FLL and Mia.

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Aircraft Cabins Passenger cabin shots showing seat arrangements as well as cargo aircraft interior

Cargo Aircraft Pictures of great freighter aircraft

Government Aircraft Aircraft flying government officials

Helicopters Our large helicopter section. Both military and civil versions

Blimps / Airships Everything from the Goodyear blimp to the Zeppelin

Night Photos Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon

Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos