South Florida Aviation Thread - 2020

Miami · Thu Sep 10, 2020 4:32 pm

JetBlue has announced service between Fort Lauderdale-Hollywood International Airport and

- Bozeman Yellowstone International Airport (BZN)
Launching December 18, 2020 | 2x weekly

- Palm Springs International Airport (PSP)
Launching December 18, 2020 | 2x weekly

phllax · Thu Sep 10, 2020 10:13 pm

Miami wrote:
JetBlue has announced service between Fort Lauderdale-Hollywood International Airport and

- Bozeman Yellowstone International Airport (BZN)
Launching December 18, 2020 | 2x weekly

- Palm Springs International Airport (PSP)
Launching December 18, 2020 | 2x weekly

PBI is also getting a non-stop to LAX with Mint 321's. Daylight 8am departure eastbound, 5pm departure westbound.

MIAFLLPBIFlyer · Thu Sep 10, 2020 10:24 pm

Miami wrote:
JetBlue has announced service between Fort Lauderdale-Hollywood International Airport and

- Bozeman Yellowstone International Airport (BZN)
Launching December 18, 2020 | 2x weekly

- Palm Springs International Airport (PSP)
Launching December 18, 2020 | 2x weekly

I think PSP will be a success. This is anecdotal but I know plenty of people who have flown MIA/FLL-LAX and driven to PSP. Twice a week probably hits the sweet spot.

As for BZN, not sure, but good to see B6 really doubling-down on FLL-West Coast flying.

MIAFLLPBIFlyer · Thu Sep 10, 2020 10:25 pm

phllax wrote:
Miami wrote:
JetBlue has announced service between Fort Lauderdale-Hollywood International Airport and

- Bozeman Yellowstone International Airport (BZN)
Launching December 18, 2020 | 2x weekly

- Palm Springs International Airport (PSP)
Launching December 18, 2020 | 2x weekly

PBI is also getting a non-stop to LAX with Mint 321's. Daylight 8am departure eastbound, 5pm departure westbound.

Significant that if I am not mistaken, PBI gets mint before MCO. FLL has been a smashing success with Mint. Reiterates that South Florida has more premium passengers than Orlando...we knew that already but some on ANet seem to disagree...

MAH4546 · Thu Sep 10, 2020 11:48 pm

MIAFLLPBIFlyer wrote:
phllax wrote:
Miami wrote:
JetBlue has announced service between Fort Lauderdale-Hollywood International Airport and

- Bozeman Yellowstone International Airport (BZN)
Launching December 18, 2020 | 2x weekly

- Palm Springs International Airport (PSP)
Launching December 18, 2020 | 2x weekly

PBI is also getting a non-stop to LAX with Mint 321's. Daylight 8am departure eastbound, 5pm departure westbound.

Significant that if I am not mistaken, PBI gets mint before MCO. FLL has been a smashing success with Mint. Reiterates that South Florida has more premium passengers than Orlando...we knew that already but some on ANet seem to disagree...

LAXMCO will never get Mint.

JetBlue is going all in. I’m surprised they don’t try Mint to Miami at this rate.

JFKCMILAXFLL · Fri Sep 11, 2020 1:33 pm

Miami wrote:
Emirates has canceled FLL permanently.

Not too surprising. I did see an EK 77W (A6-ECI) parked at FLL on 8/29/20. Had arrived the day before from DXB as EK2695, and returned that evening as EK2564. I suspect either cargo or repatriation.

Miami · Tue Sep 15, 2020 5:10 am

Delta to resume Miami - Salt Lake City from December 17, 2020. Daily, 737-800.

Miami · Wed Sep 16, 2020 4:56 am

Miami-Dade puts new airport in Homestead onto agenda:

https://www.miamitodaynews.com/2020/09/ ... qmn5IiP6so

Miami · Tue Sep 29, 2020 12:58 pm

Delta to start Fort Lauderdale - Los Angeles in November.

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1452315

MIAFLLPBIFlyer · Tue Sep 29, 2020 2:22 pm

Miami wrote:
Miami-Dade puts new airport in Homestead onto agenda:

https://www.miamitodaynews.com/2020/09/ ... qmn5IiP6so

Aw geez, not this again!

By the way the conversion of Homestead into a commercial airport was a major campaign issue in 2000 in local Dade politics. 20 years later, it's still on!

MIAFLLPBIFlyer · Tue Sep 29, 2020 2:25 pm

Miami wrote:
Delta to start Fort Lauderdale - Los Angeles in November.

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1452315

Big question is if this is a one-off or part of a larger plan at retaliation against AS, B6 and AA.

DL can build up MIA with LATAM feed and FLL with its long-term FF base to mess around with all three "enemy" carriers.

Or maybe this is just a return to a market (they've flown both MIA and FLL to LAX in the past) that is made feasible by available aircraft?

MIAFLLPBIFlyer · Fri Oct 02, 2020 7:06 pm

Spirit announces a return of Fort Lauderdale-Cap Haitien in December.

https://www.globenewswire.com/news-rele ... o-U-S.html

Miami · Tue Oct 06, 2020 10:18 pm

Sky Airlines Peru gets approval. Fort Lauderdale and Miami will see service in the first quarter of 2021.

Brickell305 · Wed Oct 07, 2020 1:12 am

MIAFLLPBIFlyer wrote:
Miami wrote:
Delta to start Fort Lauderdale - Los Angeles in November.

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1452315

Big question is if this is a one-off or part of a larger plan at retaliation against AS, B6 and AA.

DL can build up MIA with LATAM feed and FLL with its long-term FF base to mess around with all three "enemy" carriers.

Or maybe this is just a return to a market (they've flown both MIA and FLL to LAX in the past) that is made feasible by available aircraft?

I’m fairly certain this is more of a case of relatively strong demand to beach destinations in Florida than it is about competitive retaliation.

OB1504 · Thu Oct 08, 2020 1:39 am

AA began regularly scheduled 787 service to MIA today with a once daily PHL-MIA turn.

Brickell305 · Thu Oct 08, 2020 2:43 pm

WN has loaded flights to MIA. It seems like BWI, HOU, MDW, and TPA will be the nonstops served.

Miamiairport · Thu Oct 08, 2020 4:30 pm

MIA/TPA I'm surprised as there's not a lot of O&D on that route. AA is down to flying it 2x daily. I still think WN will ultimately base Caribbean and Central America flights out of MIA and that route would provide feed. My assumption based on an initial success of domestic operations.

OB1504 · Thu Oct 08, 2020 5:06 pm

Brickell305 wrote:
WN has loaded flights to MIA. It seems like BWI, HOU, MDW, and TPA will be the nonstops served.

I’m surprised there’s no ATL.

MAH4546 · Thu Oct 08, 2020 5:40 pm

Miamiairport wrote:
MIA/TPA I'm surprised as there's not a lot of O&D on that route. AA is down to flying it 2x daily. I still think WN will ultimately base Caribbean and Central America flights out of MIA and that route would provide feed. My assumption based on an initial success of domestic operations.

There is a lot of O&D. Not right now obviously but it’s a large market. What AA is flying during a pandemic is not indicative.

Brickell305 · Thu Oct 08, 2020 5:57 pm

OB1504 wrote:
Brickell305 wrote:
WN has loaded flights to MIA. It seems like BWI, HOU, MDW, and TPA will be the nonstops served.

I’m surprised there’s no ATL.

That surprised me too.

lx2iah · Thu Oct 08, 2020 6:02 pm

Southwest announces its new routes from Miami:

Southwest Airlines has announced today that it will launch first-ever daily flights at Miami International Airport to four destinations on November 15: Baltimore/Washington; Chicago (Midway Airport); Houston (Hobby Airport); and Tampa.

The combined total of 12 daily round-trip flights will make Southwest one of the busiest passenger airlines currently operating at MIA.

Southwest’s flights to Baltimore four times daily and Tampa three times daily will significantly increase MIA’s existing service to those cities, while its four daily flights to Houston Hobby and daily flight to Chicago Midway will provide new service from MIA to those airports.

Source: www.worldairlinenews.com

Miami · Mon Oct 12, 2020 5:58 am

Commissioners unanimously agreed to negotiate a joint-use agreement with the Air Force that would allow what is called a fixed base operator to provide fuel and other general aviation services for small aircraft at Homestead Air Reserve Base.

Read more here: https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/ ... rylink=cpy

Miami · Mon Oct 12, 2020 3:49 pm

EL AL to resume Tel Aviv – Miami service from October 25, 2020. 1 weekly, 787-9

Miami · Sat Oct 17, 2020 7:57 pm

Emirates is now switching over to Miami (cargo only) from Fort Lauderdale. There's been talks that when Emirates returns to South Florida, it'll be to Miami. MIA officials are extremely happy.

N62NA · Sat Oct 17, 2020 8:52 pm

Miami wrote:
Emirates is now switching over to Miami (cargo only) from Fort Lauderdale. There's been talks that when Emirates returns to South Florida, it'll be to Miami. MIA officials are extremely happy.

That make me happy too! :-)

MAH4546 · Sat Oct 17, 2020 10:38 pm

Miami wrote:
Emirates is now switching over to Miami (cargo only) from Fort Lauderdale. There's been talks that when Emirates returns to South Florida, it'll be to Miami. MIA officials are extremely happy.

Orlando has already been pushed back to June 2021. I mentioned in the Emirates thread I imagine that when Emirates returns to Florida they will consolidate Florida service to just Miami.

MAH4546 · Mon Oct 19, 2020 2:03 am

Aeroflot resumes Miami-Moscow November 4th. Another one resuming with very little forward notice (Miami and almost all of Aeroflot long haul network was removed from GDS for W20/21 a few weeks ago) but great to see all the same.

Miami · Mon Oct 19, 2020 10:10 am

MAH4546 wrote:
Aeroflot resumes Miami-Moscow November 4th. Another one resuming with very little forward notice (Miami and almost all of Aeroflot long haul network was removed from GDS for W20/21 a few weeks ago) but great to see all the same.

Hopefully we see more airlines do the same.

JFKCMILAXFLL · Mon Oct 19, 2020 12:46 pm

Miami wrote:
Emirates is now switching over to Miami (cargo only) from Fort Lauderdale. There's been talks that when Emirates returns to South Florida, it'll be to Miami. MIA officials are extremely happy.

That may (or not) explain why I didn't see an EK 777 parked when I was out for a brief bit of spotting at FLL yesterday. (I was there to get a pic of the UA 772, which brought the NY Jets down from EWR on Saturday to be soundly defeated by the Dolphins yesterday) :mrgreen:

N292UX · Fri Oct 23, 2020 10:47 pm

When the new airport in Cuzco, Peru opens (2024 I think is the projections), I suspect someone will launch either FLL/MIA-CUZ. Part of the reason I don't think CUZ has much international service is due to how constrained the current airport is. I wouldn't shocked to see NK pull the trigger on FLL-CUZ when the new airport opens. FLL-CUZ is well within the A320neo's range.

OB1504 · Sat Oct 24, 2020 3:01 am

Miami wrote:
MAH4546 wrote:
Aeroflot resumes Miami-Moscow November 4th. Another one resuming with very little forward notice (Miami and almost all of Aeroflot long haul network was removed from GDS for W20/21 a few weeks ago) but great to see all the same.

Hopefully we see more airlines do the same.

Aeroflot came back this week. Are these cargo only flights or did they bump up the start date?

Kd112c · Mon Oct 26, 2020 2:43 pm

MAH4546 wrote:
Miami wrote:
Emirates is now switching over to Miami (cargo only) from Fort Lauderdale. There's been talks that when Emirates returns to South Florida, it'll be to Miami. MIA officials are extremely happy.

Orlando has already been pushed back to June 2021. I mentioned in the Emirates thread I imagine that when Emirates returns to Florida they will consolidate Florida service to just Miami.

flightaware shows that the Emirates flight from MCO to DXB has been up and running. the last flight left 21 hours ago

MAH4546 · Mon Oct 26, 2020 3:34 pm

Kd112c wrote:
MAH4546 wrote:
Miami wrote:
Emirates is now switching over to Miami (cargo only) from Fort Lauderdale. There's been talks that when Emirates returns to South Florida, it'll be to Miami. MIA officials are extremely happy.

Orlando has already been pushed back to June 2021. I mentioned in the Emirates thread I imagine that when Emirates returns to Florida they will consolidate Florida service to just Miami.

flightaware shows that the Emirates flight from MCO to DXB has been up and running. the last flight left 21 hours ago

Maybe as cargo but no pax ops.

MAH4546 · Tue Oct 27, 2020 7:15 am

Surinam Airways is next to return. October 31st twice a week to Parmaribo via Georgetown.

MIAFLLPBIFlyer · Tue Oct 27, 2020 3:10 pm

N292UX wrote:
When the new airport in Cuzco, Peru opens (2024 I think is the projections), I suspect someone will launch either FLL/MIA-CUZ. Part of the reason I don't think CUZ has much international service is due to how constrained the current airport is. I wouldn't shocked to see NK pull the trigger on FLL-CUZ when the new airport opens. FLL-CUZ is well within the A320neo's range.

NK's success with secondary cities in Colombia from FLL probably means, yes this stab at a secondary Peruvian city will be a go at some point.

MIAFLLPBIFlyer · Tue Oct 27, 2020 11:35 pm

Per OAG thread UA extending FLL-LGA, FLL-BOS and PBI-LGA through March.

Interesting that these routes are being extended. They must be performing decently.

I thought the idea of p2p routes for UA out of South Florida was madness. Seems they maybe making them work!

MAH4546 · Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:18 am

Eastern is starting Miami-Asunción next Sunday. Will start as charters twice a week and then plan to transition to scheduled in January assuming proper government approvals in place.

MAH4546 · Tue Nov 03, 2020 6:01 pm

Qatar Airways is back in less than two weeks!

Moved up to November 14th. Flights will operate Wednesdays and Saturdays with 77W.

MAH4546 · Sun Nov 08, 2020 2:12 am

More new Eastern routes:

Santa Cruz now bookable, starts 11 November.
Philadelphia launches 18 December.
Santo Domingo launches 17 December.

Also Eastern’s website has no schedules loaded but drop down menu indicates it will launch from Miami flights to GUA, MGA, PAP, CNF, BSB, CWB, LIM and BOS (as well as applied for EZE).

jeffh747 · Sun Nov 08, 2020 2:47 am

MAH4546 wrote:
More new Eastern routes:

Santa Cruz now bookable, starts 11 November.
Philadelphia launches 18 December.
Santo Domingo launches 17 December.

Also Eastern’s website has no schedules loaded but drop down menu indicates it will launch from Miami flights to GUA, MGA, PAP, CNF, BSB, CWB, LIM and BOS (as well as applied for EZE).

Will that MIA-PHL flight be bookable to the general public? That’s a very interesting route and I would love to try them on it.

Also of note, UA today inaugurated FLL-LGA/BOS service which I’d completely forgotten was even announced in the first place and another set of unusual routes that I wouldn’t have expected any time soon. Unusual on par with FLL-PSP and PBI-LAX!

MAH4546 · Sun Nov 08, 2020 3:22 am

jeffh747 wrote:
MAH4546 wrote:
More new Eastern routes:

Santa Cruz now bookable, starts 11 November.
Philadelphia launches 18 December.
Santo Domingo launches 17 December.

Also Eastern’s website has no schedules loaded but drop down menu indicates it will launch from Miami flights to GUA, MGA, PAP, CNF, BSB, CWB, LIM and BOS (as well as applied for EZE).

Will that MIA-PHL flight be bookable to the general public? That’s a very interesting route and I would love to try them on it.

Also of note, UA today inaugurated FLL-LGA/BOS service which I’d completely forgotten was even announced in the first place and another set of unusual routes that I wouldn’t have expected any time soon. Unusual on par with FLL-PSP and PBI-LAX!

Yes MIAPHL is scheduled service. Almost all of Eastern’s MIA service is scheduled.

Brickell305 · Sun Nov 08, 2020 1:18 pm

MAH4546 wrote:
More new Eastern routes:

Santa Cruz now bookable, starts 11 November.
Philadelphia launches 18 December.
Santo Domingo launches 17 December.

Also Eastern’s website has no schedules loaded but drop down menu indicates it will launch from Miami flights to GUA, MGA, PAP, CNF, BSB, CWB, LIM and BOS (as well as applied for EZE).

PAP is going to be crowded with AA running widebodies, B6 increasing frequencies out of FLL, NK and the eventual return of AF.

RobertS975 · Sun Nov 08, 2020 2:30 pm

Miami wrote:
Delta to start Fort Lauderdale - Los Angeles in November.

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1452315

Is this going to be a regular route? Right now, I just see a few nonstops around Thanksgiving!

JFKCMILAXFLL · Wed Nov 11, 2020 3:32 am

This is a bit strange. I was looking at the FR24 app earlier today, and saw a Liat flight on final to FXE (Fort Lauderdale Executive Airport). As most of us know, it doesn't operate scheduled service. Even more strange is that the flight originated in Quebec (YQB). I didn't think that an ATR-42-600 had that kind of range. I googled Liat and found out they are in bankruptcy and may be liquidated or reorganized. Seems very strange, wonder if anyone here knows what's going on. This was the only flight for this plane (V2-LIE) in the last 90 days, which is all that my fr24 membership allows, maybe someone here has the premium, which allows for a year.

Brickell305 · Wed Nov 11, 2020 11:24 am

JFKCMILAXFLL wrote:
This is a bit strange. I was looking at the FR24 app earlier today, and saw a Liat flight on final to FXE (Fort Lauderdale Executive Airport). As most of us know, it doesn't operate scheduled service. Even more strange is that the flight originated in Quebec (YQB). I didn't think that an ATR-42-600 had that kind of range. I googled Liat and found out they are in bankruptcy and may be liquidated or reorganized. Seems very strange, wonder if anyone here knows what's going on. This was the only flight for this plane (V2-LIE) in the last 90 days, which is all that my fr24 membership allows, maybe someone here has the premium, which allows for a year.

LI ferries planes to YQB for heavy maintenance. They fly ANU-FXE-YQB and the reverse on the way back, overnighting in FXE both ways. I think you have the registration wrong. There is no V2-LIE. There’s V2-LID and V2-LIF but no India Echo.

JFKCMILAXFLL · Wed Nov 11, 2020 3:45 pm

Brickell305 wrote:
JFKCMILAXFLL wrote:
This is a bit strange. I was looking at the FR24 app earlier today, and saw a Liat flight on final to FXE (Fort Lauderdale Executive Airport). As most of us know, it doesn't operate scheduled service. Even more strange is that the flight originated in Quebec (YQB). I didn't think that an ATR-42-600 had that kind of range. I googled Liat and found out they are in bankruptcy and may be liquidated or reorganized. Seems very strange, wonder if anyone here knows what's going on. This was the only flight for this plane (V2-LIE) in the last 90 days, which is all that my fr24 membership allows, maybe someone here has the premium, which allows for a year.

LI ferries planes to YQB for heavy maintenance. They fly ANU-FXE-YQB and the reverse on the way back, overnighting in FXE both ways. I think you have the registration wrong. There is no V2-LIE. There’s V2-LID and V2-LIF but no India Echo.

Sorry, it was V2-LIF

OB1504 · Mon Nov 16, 2020 10:18 am

Southwest launched MIA yesterday. They’re using gates H11 and H15. To accommodate Southwest and Delta, H11 was converted to a narrowbody gate and H9 was converted to a widebody gate capable of handling a 767.

Swift Air also resumed HAV charters yesterday.

MAH4546 · Thu Dec 03, 2020 12:56 am

Qatar has extended Miami through the January schedule. It was originally only loaded through January 2nd, before resuming again at the end of March. I guess they are just loading schedules about one month in advance like many airlines.

El Al has also upped Miami to 5x a week starting March 15th; even pre-COVID never operated more than 3w (although was supposed to go 4w this winter).

MAH4546 · Thu Dec 10, 2020 3:51 pm

I have heard WN has been very happy with MIA.

Two new routes coming soon, Nashville and Denver added in March.

tphuang · Thu Dec 10, 2020 4:27 pm

MAH4546 wrote:
I have heard WN has been very happy with MIA.

Two new routes coming soon, Nashville and Denver added in March.

Did that get announced or they are just what you heard?

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