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Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Dec 31, 2019 4:33 pm

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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Dec 31, 2019 4:58 pm

2019 Year in Review
*Denotes status unclear at the time of writing

Dropped airlines/routes:
Southwest IND-EWR January 6th
*Vacation Express IND-CUN/PUJ
- https://www.ibj.com/articles/69969-alas ... co-flights
- https://www.post-gazette.com/business/d ... 1810030188

New Routes:
Spirit IND-MCO/LAS started March 14th A320
Spirit IND-MYR started May 2nd A319
Spirit IND-RSW/LAS started November 14th A320
Allegiant IND-TUS started November 14th A320
Allegiant IND-PBI started November 25th A320
Frontier IND-CUN started/resumed December 20th A320
-Sources for Future referral
-https://www.ind.com/about/media/media-releases/indy-airport-celebrating-final-inaugural-flight-of-the-year-with-frontier
-https://www.ind.com/about/media/media-releases/first-flight-in-over-a-decade-to-west-palm-beach-takes-off-today
-https://www.ind.com/about/media/media-releases/three-nonstop-flights-launch-out-of-indy-airport-today
-https://www.ind.com/about/media/media-releases/even-more-go-in-indy-spirit-airlines-celebrates-inaugural-service-in-indianapolis-with-additional-route-announcement

Noteworthy Mainline/Frequency Changes:
Allegiant IND-SRQ increased to daily for March
American IND-PHL return of mainline service 1-2x A319
American IND-MIA return of mainline service B738, increased to 4x daily in December
United IND-DEN decreased to 2x daily for large portion of the year
Delta increases IND-BOS to 4x daily
Delta IND-SLC upguaged to the B738 all the way up to Christmas
Delta IND-MSP all mainline during the summer
Delta IND-CDG additional weekly flight in September
Southwest IND-OAK/LAX suspended for portions of the year due to MAX grounding
Southwest IND-BOS moved to Saturday only
United introduces the CRJ 550 on IND-ORD in late 2019
-Sources for Future referral
-https://news.delta.com/delta-adds-more-key-markets-boston-customers-chicago-cleveland-newark-and-washington-dc
-https://hub.united.com/2019-10-10-united-airlines-crj-550-tickets-available-for-purchase-beginning-saturday-oct-12-2640919638.html
-https://thepointsguy.com/news/southwest-airlines-suspends-13-routes-because-of-boeing-737-max-grounding/
-https://www.ibj.com/articles/73896-one-year-in-nonstop-indy-paris-route-flying-high

Misc. Airport News:
- Garage/Rental Car Facility expansion approved
- IND wins numerous awards for being the best in NA/US, featured in CBS Sunday Morning
- Wayfinding project complete, with new signage built in Civic Plaza
- Airport Concession Refresh, new stores announced including (TUMI, MAC, Vineyard Vines)
- Beam signing ceremony for Infosys’s (15th largest company in India) 3,000 employee U.S. Technology and Innovation Hub/Employee Education Center at the old Terminal site
- Delta surpassed Southwest in passengers during August and September
- Boeing B738M issues stall IND growth
- Airport announces hosting Routes Americas in early Feb 2020
- Indiana Governor announces goal of bringing 2-3 more international flights to IND by end of 2021
- Passenger growth remained flat, as did cargo while FedEx builds out its $1.5B expansion
Sources for future referral
-https://www.ind.com/about/media/media-releases/fao-schwarz-celebrates-grand-opening-at-indy-airport
-https://www.wfyi.org/news/articles/infosys-celebrates-us-education-center-in-indianapolis-construction-progress
-https://www.ind.com/about/media/media-releases/cond%C3%A9-nast-readers-name-indy-airport-best-airport-in-united-states-again
-https://www.ind.com/about/media/media-releases/indy-airport-named-best-in-north-america-according-to-j-d-power
-https://www.insideindianabusiness.com/story/41432621/holcomb-details-2020-priorities
-https://d1j6zi7czwjuok.cloudfront.net/iaa-images/reports/08_AUGUST-Airline-Activity-Report_-FINAL.pdf?mtime=20191007160500

Changes made in 2019 for 2020:
- Air Canada Express switches operators to Jazz
- Alaska adds a 2nd daily flight to SEA
- American IND-NYC goes all E175
- American IND-LAX begins 2x daily in mid-February
*-Delta increases IND-SLC to 2x daily
*-Delta increases IND-DTW to 4 daily mainline flights
- Delta IND-JFK begins 3x daily earlier, starting in March
- Southwest IND-LAX loses service for Jan-Mid Apr (except Sunday service starting in March)
- Southwest IND-BOS comes back Sat only starting June
- Southwest IND-MDW/ATL/MCI lose a frequency due to MAX groundings
- Southwest at peak will run IND-MCO up to 9 flights, IND-PHX/DEN up to 5, & IND-RSW/TPA at 6
- United adds 8th daily flight to IND-EWR in May
- United increases IND-ORD to 10x daily in April
- United will add the CRJ550 to EWR in May
- Sources for future referral
-https://www.ind.com/about/media/media-releases/alaska-airlines-announces-second-daily-flight-to-seattle-out-of-indy
-https://thepointsguy.com/news/united-airlines-to-fly-more-bombardier-crj550-routes/


Predictions:

My 2020 predictions are more vague than years prior as this year has a lot of uncertainty

Either B6/SY enter the market
More ULCC flights, including G4 to Mexico
More frequencies and upguages from DL, and 1 new route from DL
New international flight, outside of the potential G4 adds
AA adds more mainline/upguages, CLT being the most likely
A220 shows up in IND
AA retains IND-JFK
WN drops a route (ATL, MCI, MDW, OAK, MSY, or AUS take your pick)
United adds more mainline
At least 1 new nonstop domestic destination


Top 25 Connecting routes in Q2 2019 ranked by PDEW connecting that could potentially support more service
PDEW connecting-Avg Connecting Fare
IND-SAN-168 PDEW-$247 avg fare
IND-LAX-144 PDEW-$278 avg fare
IND-PDX-109 PDEW-$291 avg fare
IND-SFO-109 PDEW-$299 avg fare
IND-AUS-108 PDEW-$233 avg fare
IND-SAT-100 PDEW-$236 avg fare
IND-MSY-83 PDEW-$207 avg fare
IND-SEA-82 PDEW-$263 avg fare
IND-BOS-81 PDEW-$240 avg fare
IND-LAS-77 PDEW-$284 avg fare
IND-FLL-76 PDEW-$210 avg fare
IND-MCO-74 PDEW-$213 avg fare
IND-TPA-67 PDEW-$200 avg fare
IND-JAX-67 PDEW-$214 avg fare
IND-SMF-66 PDEW-$314 avg fare
IND-RSW-66 PDEW-$199 avg fare
IND-SNA-65 PDEW-$309 avg fare
IND-RDU-63 PDEW-$218 avg fare
IND-BDL-62 PDEW-$273 avg fare
IND-OAK-61 PDEW-$194 avg fare
IND-SLC-54 PDEW-$290 avg fare
IND-PHX-53 PDEW-$299 avg fare
IND-SJC-51 PDEW-$284 avg fare
IND-DEN-51 PDEW-$224 avg fare
IND-PBI-50 PDEW-$229 avg fare
*red denotes significant capacity increases already loaded in for Q2
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Dec 31, 2019 6:23 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
2019 Year in Review
*Denotes status unclear at the time of writing

Dropped airlines/routes:
Southwest IND-EWR January 6th
*Vacation Express IND-CUN/PUJ
- https://www.ibj.com/articles/69969-alas ... co-flights
- https://www.post-gazette.com/business/d ... 1810030188

New Routes:
Spirit IND-MCO/LAS started March 14th A320
Spirit IND-MYR started May 2nd A319
Spirit IND-RSW/LAS started November 14th A320
Allegiant IND-TUS started November 14th A320
Allegiant IND-PBI started November 25th A320
Frontier IND-CUN started/resumed December 20th A320
-Sources for Future referral
-https://www.ind.com/about/media/media-releases/indy-airport-celebrating-final-inaugural-flight-of-the-year-with-frontier
-https://www.ind.com/about/media/media-releases/first-flight-in-over-a-decade-to-west-palm-beach-takes-off-today
-https://www.ind.com/about/media/media-releases/three-nonstop-flights-launch-out-of-indy-airport-today
-https://www.ind.com/about/media/media-releases/even-more-go-in-indy-spirit-airlines-celebrates-inaugural-service-in-indianapolis-with-additional-route-announcement

Noteworthy Mainline/Frequency Changes:
Allegiant IND-SRQ increased to daily for March
American IND-PHL return of mainline service 1-2x A319
American IND-MIA return of mainline service B738, increased to 4x daily in December
United IND-DEN decreased to 2x daily for large portion of the year
Delta increases IND-BOS to 4x daily
Delta IND-SLC upguaged to the B738 all the way up to Christmas
Delta IND-MSP all mainline during the summer
Delta IND-CDG additional weekly flight in September
Southwest IND-OAK/LAX suspended for portions of the year due to MAX grounding
Southwest IND-BOS moved to Saturday only
United introduces the CRJ 550 on IND-ORD in late 2019
-Sources for Future referral
-https://news.delta.com/delta-adds-more-key-markets-boston-customers-chicago-cleveland-newark-and-washington-dc
-https://hub.united.com/2019-10-10-united-airlines-crj-550-tickets-available-for-purchase-beginning-saturday-oct-12-2640919638.html
-https://thepointsguy.com/news/southwest-airlines-suspends-13-routes-because-of-boeing-737-max-grounding/
-https://www.ibj.com/articles/73896-one-year-in-nonstop-indy-paris-route-flying-high

Misc. Airport News:
- Garage/Rental Car Facility expansion approved
- IND wins numerous awards for being the best in NA/US, featured in CBS Sunday Morning
- Wayfinding project complete, with new signage built in Civic Plaza
- Airport Concession Refresh, new stores announced including (TUMI, MAC, Vineyard Vines)
- Beam signing ceremony for Infosys’s (15th largest company in India) 3,000 employee U.S. Technology and Innovation Hub/Employee Education Center at the old Terminal site
- Delta surpassed Southwest in passengers during August and September
- Boeing B738M issues stall IND growth
- Airport announces hosting Routes Americas in early Feb 2020
- Indiana Governor announces goal of bringing 2-3 more international flights to IND by end of 2021
- Passenger growth remained flat, as did cargo while FedEx builds out its $1.5B expansion
Sources for future referral
-https://www.ind.com/about/media/media-releases/fao-schwarz-celebrates-grand-opening-at-indy-airport
-https://www.wfyi.org/news/articles/infosys-celebrates-us-education-center-in-indianapolis-construction-progress
-https://www.ind.com/about/media/media-releases/cond%C3%A9-nast-readers-name-indy-airport-best-airport-in-united-states-again
-https://www.ind.com/about/media/media-releases/indy-airport-named-best-in-north-america-according-to-j-d-power
-https://www.insideindianabusiness.com/story/41432621/holcomb-details-2020-priorities
-https://d1j6zi7czwjuok.cloudfront.net/iaa-images/reports/08_AUGUST-Airline-Activity-Report_-FINAL.pdf?mtime=20191007160500

Changes made in 2019 for 2020:
- Air Canada Express switches operators to Jazz
- Alaska adds a 2nd daily flight to SEA
- American IND-NYC goes all E175
- American IND-LAX begins 2x daily in mid-February
*-Delta increases IND-SLC to 2x daily
*-Delta increases IND-DTW to 4 daily mainline flights
- Delta IND-JFK begins 3x daily earlier, starting in March
- Southwest IND-LAX loses service for Jan-Mid Apr (except Sunday service starting in March)
- Southwest IND-BOS comes back Sat only starting June
- Southwest IND-MDW/ATL/MCI lose a frequency due to MAX groundings
- Southwest at peak will run IND-MCO up to 9 flights, IND-PHX/DEN up to 5, & IND-RSW/TPA at 6
- United adds 8th daily flight to IND-EWR in May
- United increases IND-ORD to 10x daily in April
- United will add the CRJ550 to EWR in May
- Sources for future referral
-https://www.ind.com/about/media/media-releases/alaska-airlines-announces-second-daily-flight-to-seattle-out-of-indy
-https://thepointsguy.com/news/united-airlines-to-fly-more-bombardier-crj550-routes/


Predictions:

My 2020 predictions are more vague than years prior as this year has a lot of uncertainty

Either B6/SY enter the market
More ULCC flights, including G4 to Mexico
More frequencies and upguages from DL, and 1 new route from DL
New international flight, outside of the potential G4 adds
AA adds more mainline/upguages, CLT being the most likely
A220 shows up in IND
AA retains IND-JFK
WN drops a route (ATL, MCI, MDW, OAK, MSY, or AUS take your pick)
United adds more mainline
At least 1 new nonstop domestic destination


Top 25 Connecting routes in Q2 2019 ranked by PDEW connecting that could potentially support more service
PDEW connecting-Avg Connecting Fare
IND-SAN-168 PDEW-$247 avg fare
IND-LAX-144 PDEW-$278 avg fare
IND-PDX-109 PDEW-$291 avg fare
IND-SFO-109 PDEW-$299 avg fare
IND-AUS-108 PDEW-$233 avg fare
IND-SAT-100 PDEW-$236 avg fare
IND-MSY-83 PDEW-$207 avg fare
IND-SEA-82 PDEW-$263 avg fare
IND-BOS-81 PDEW-$240 avg fare
IND-LAS-77 PDEW-$284 avg fare
IND-FLL-76 PDEW-$210 avg fare
IND-MCO-74 PDEW-$213 avg fare
IND-TPA-67 PDEW-$200 avg fare
IND-JAX-67 PDEW-$214 avg fare
IND-SMF-66 PDEW-$314 avg fare
IND-RSW-66 PDEW-$199 avg fare
IND-SNA-65 PDEW-$309 avg fare
IND-RDU-63 PDEW-$218 avg fare
IND-BDL-62 PDEW-$273 avg fare
IND-OAK-61 PDEW-$194 avg fare
IND-SLC-54 PDEW-$290 avg fare
IND-PHX-53 PDEW-$299 avg fare
IND-SJC-51 PDEW-$284 avg fare
IND-DEN-51 PDEW-$224 avg fare
IND-PBI-50 PDEW-$229 avg fare
*red denotes significant capacity increases already loaded in for Q2


You have any ideas on what Mexican cities G4 will add from IND?
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Dec 31, 2019 7:18 pm

zackary747 wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
2019 Year in Review
*Denotes status unclear at the time of writing

Dropped airlines/routes:
Southwest IND-EWR January 6th
*Vacation Express IND-CUN/PUJ
- https://www.ibj.com/articles/69969-alas ... co-flights
- https://www.post-gazette.com/business/d ... 1810030188

New Routes:
Spirit IND-MCO/LAS started March 14th A320
Spirit IND-MYR started May 2nd A319
Spirit IND-RSW/LAS started November 14th A320
Allegiant IND-TUS started November 14th A320
Allegiant IND-PBI started November 25th A320
Frontier IND-CUN started/resumed December 20th A320
-Sources for Future referral
-https://www.ind.com/about/media/media-releases/indy-airport-celebrating-final-inaugural-flight-of-the-year-with-frontier
-https://www.ind.com/about/media/media-releases/first-flight-in-over-a-decade-to-west-palm-beach-takes-off-today
-https://www.ind.com/about/media/media-releases/three-nonstop-flights-launch-out-of-indy-airport-today
-https://www.ind.com/about/media/media-releases/even-more-go-in-indy-spirit-airlines-celebrates-inaugural-service-in-indianapolis-with-additional-route-announcement

Noteworthy Mainline/Frequency Changes:
Allegiant IND-SRQ increased to daily for March
American IND-PHL return of mainline service 1-2x A319
American IND-MIA return of mainline service B738, increased to 4x daily in December
United IND-DEN decreased to 2x daily for large portion of the year
Delta increases IND-BOS to 4x daily
Delta IND-SLC upguaged to the B738 all the way up to Christmas
Delta IND-MSP all mainline during the summer
Delta IND-CDG additional weekly flight in September
Southwest IND-OAK/LAX suspended for portions of the year due to MAX grounding
Southwest IND-BOS moved to Saturday only
United introduces the CRJ 550 on IND-ORD in late 2019
-Sources for Future referral
-https://news.delta.com/delta-adds-more-key-markets-boston-customers-chicago-cleveland-newark-and-washington-dc
-https://hub.united.com/2019-10-10-united-airlines-crj-550-tickets-available-for-purchase-beginning-saturday-oct-12-2640919638.html
-https://thepointsguy.com/news/southwest-airlines-suspends-13-routes-because-of-boeing-737-max-grounding/
-https://www.ibj.com/articles/73896-one-year-in-nonstop-indy-paris-route-flying-high

Misc. Airport News:
- Garage/Rental Car Facility expansion approved
- IND wins numerous awards for being the best in NA/US, featured in CBS Sunday Morning
- Wayfinding project complete, with new signage built in Civic Plaza
- Airport Concession Refresh, new stores announced including (TUMI, MAC, Vineyard Vines)
- Beam signing ceremony for Infosys’s (15th largest company in India) 3,000 employee U.S. Technology and Innovation Hub/Employee Education Center at the old Terminal site
- Delta surpassed Southwest in passengers during August and September
- Boeing B738M issues stall IND growth
- Airport announces hosting Routes Americas in early Feb 2020
- Indiana Governor announces goal of bringing 2-3 more international flights to IND by end of 2021
- Passenger growth remained flat, as did cargo while FedEx builds out its $1.5B expansion
Sources for future referral
-https://www.ind.com/about/media/media-releases/fao-schwarz-celebrates-grand-opening-at-indy-airport
-https://www.wfyi.org/news/articles/infosys-celebrates-us-education-center-in-indianapolis-construction-progress
-https://www.ind.com/about/media/media-releases/cond%C3%A9-nast-readers-name-indy-airport-best-airport-in-united-states-again
-https://www.ind.com/about/media/media-releases/indy-airport-named-best-in-north-america-according-to-j-d-power
-https://www.insideindianabusiness.com/story/41432621/holcomb-details-2020-priorities
-https://d1j6zi7czwjuok.cloudfront.net/iaa-images/reports/08_AUGUST-Airline-Activity-Report_-FINAL.pdf?mtime=20191007160500

Changes made in 2019 for 2020:
- Air Canada Express switches operators to Jazz
- Alaska adds a 2nd daily flight to SEA
- American IND-NYC goes all E175
- American IND-LAX begins 2x daily in mid-February
*-Delta increases IND-SLC to 2x daily
*-Delta increases IND-DTW to 4 daily mainline flights
- Delta IND-JFK begins 3x daily earlier, starting in March
- Southwest IND-LAX loses service for Jan-Mid Apr (except Sunday service starting in March)
- Southwest IND-BOS comes back Sat only starting June
- Southwest IND-MDW/ATL/MCI lose a frequency due to MAX groundings
- Southwest at peak will run IND-MCO up to 9 flights, IND-PHX/DEN up to 5, & IND-RSW/TPA at 6
- United adds 8th daily flight to IND-EWR in May
- United increases IND-ORD to 10x daily in April
- United will add the CRJ550 to EWR in May
- Sources for future referral
-https://www.ind.com/about/media/media-releases/alaska-airlines-announces-second-daily-flight-to-seattle-out-of-indy
-https://thepointsguy.com/news/united-airlines-to-fly-more-bombardier-crj550-routes/


Predictions:

My 2020 predictions are more vague than years prior as this year has a lot of uncertainty

Either B6/SY enter the market
More ULCC flights, including G4 to Mexico
More frequencies and upguages from DL, and 1 new route from DL
New international flight, outside of the potential G4 adds
AA adds more mainline/upguages, CLT being the most likely
A220 shows up in IND
AA retains IND-JFK
WN drops a route (ATL, MCI, MDW, OAK, MSY, or AUS take your pick)
United adds more mainline
At least 1 new nonstop domestic destination


Top 25 Connecting routes in Q2 2019 ranked by PDEW connecting that could potentially support more service
PDEW connecting-Avg Connecting Fare
IND-SAN-168 PDEW-$247 avg fare
IND-LAX-144 PDEW-$278 avg fare
IND-PDX-109 PDEW-$291 avg fare
IND-SFO-109 PDEW-$299 avg fare
IND-AUS-108 PDEW-$233 avg fare
IND-SAT-100 PDEW-$236 avg fare
IND-MSY-83 PDEW-$207 avg fare
IND-SEA-82 PDEW-$263 avg fare
IND-BOS-81 PDEW-$240 avg fare
IND-LAS-77 PDEW-$284 avg fare
IND-FLL-76 PDEW-$210 avg fare
IND-MCO-74 PDEW-$213 avg fare
IND-TPA-67 PDEW-$200 avg fare
IND-JAX-67 PDEW-$214 avg fare
IND-SMF-66 PDEW-$314 avg fare
IND-RSW-66 PDEW-$199 avg fare
IND-SNA-65 PDEW-$309 avg fare
IND-RDU-63 PDEW-$218 avg fare
IND-BDL-62 PDEW-$273 avg fare
IND-OAK-61 PDEW-$194 avg fare
IND-SLC-54 PDEW-$290 avg fare
IND-PHX-53 PDEW-$299 avg fare
IND-SJC-51 PDEW-$284 avg fare
IND-DEN-51 PDEW-$224 avg fare
IND-PBI-50 PDEW-$229 avg fare
*red denotes significant capacity increases already loaded in for Q2


You have any ideas on what Mexican cities G4 will add from IND?


They do like running secondary markets, so maybe CZM could be possible. The most likely options in my opinion would be CUN, SJD, PVR, CZM in order
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 02, 2020 2:24 pm

I'm a bit confused on this, but Bahamas Air is running a couple of flights over the summer to NAS on a B737?

Haven't found anything on their website, but it is listed as a n/s route from IND here: https://www.flightsfrom.com/IND/destinations
and on the IND airport flight map page http://ind.fltmaps.com/en
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 02, 2020 2:41 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
I'm a bit confused on this, but Bahamas Air is running a couple of flights over the summer to NAS on a B737?

Haven't found anything on their website, but it is listed as a n/s route from IND here: https://www.flightsfrom.com/IND/destinations
and on the IND airport flight map page http://ind.fltmaps.com/en


That's interesting. Keep us updated if you hear more.
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 02, 2020 3:05 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
I'm a bit confused on this, but Bahamas Air is running a couple of flights over the summer to NAS on a B737?

Haven't found anything on their website, but it is listed as a n/s route from IND here: https://www.flightsfrom.com/IND/destinations
and on the IND airport flight map page http://ind.fltmaps.com/en


I am only seeing one flight listed on June 24th. Do you see more on that link you sent? Could this also possibly be a charter?
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 02, 2020 3:13 pm

Thanks @Midwestindy for taking the time to put together a 2019/2020 summary! Long time reader of this tread. Grew up in Indy, live elsewhere now, but still follow Indy aviation closely. Appreciate your consistent updates.
 
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 02, 2020 3:40 pm

zackary747 wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
I'm a bit confused on this, but Bahamas Air is running a couple of flights over the summer to NAS on a B737?

Haven't found anything on their website, but it is listed as a n/s route from IND here: https://www.flightsfrom.com/IND/destinations
and on the IND airport flight map page http://ind.fltmaps.com/en


I am only seeing one flight listed on June 24th. Do you see more on that link you sent? Could this also possibly be a charter?


Showing July 5th as well, very odd... I'm assuming it is some sort of charter except charters don't usually show up on there unless they are sold by the airline operating the service. I'm also not seeing anything on Vacation Express or Apple Vacation's websites.

cxi727 wrote:
Thanks @Midwestindy for taking the time to put together a 2019/2020 summary! Long time reader of this tread. Grew up in Indy, live elsewhere now, but still follow Indy aviation closely. Appreciate your consistent updates.


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Fri Jan 03, 2020 1:04 am

If memory serves me correct, I believe we had another appearance of another airline/charter carrier (Swift?) doing a one time pair of turns a week or two apart and it turned out to be a local company chartering a flight for its employees for a corporate retreat.

Just a thought.
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Jan 03, 2020 11:54 am

stlgph wrote:
If memory serves me correct, I believe we had another appearance of another airline/charter carrier (Swift?) doing a one time pair of turns a week or two apart and it turned out to be a local company chartering a flight for its employees for a corporate retreat.

Just a thought.


The Swift Air flights were to PUJ operating under the Vacation Express route.

Beck's were chartering Sun Country flights at one point tho.
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Fri Jan 03, 2020 2:33 pm

Went through March schedules,

G4 will be increasing flights by up to 20% weekly, DL will be increasing flights by 8% weekly, UA will be increasing flights by 7% weekly, F9 up 30%, NK doubling its flights, IND should see its largest month on record. WN is scheduled to be down 8% in March, however, that is compared to their schedule before the MAX grounding, so probably closer to a 6% decrease in flights considering all the cancellations that happened late last March.

Noticed UA ORD-IND will even be up to 11 flights a day for at least a couple days. UA in IND is quite an interesting case study....

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If memory serves me correct, I believe we had another appearance of another airline/charter carrier (Swift?) doing a one time pair of turns a week or two apart and it turned out to be a local company chartering a flight for its employees for a corporate retreat.

Just a thought.


For now, I think you probably have the right idea
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For now, if that is the case, I think we all need to get a job there. Sounds like not too shabby of a place! :)
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Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:39 pm

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I'm a bit confused on this, but Bahamas Air is running a couple of flights over the summer to NAS on a B737?

Haven't found anything on their website, but it is listed as a n/s route from IND here: https://www.flightsfrom.com/IND/destinations
and on the IND airport flight map page http://ind.fltmaps.com/en


NAS does have US Preclearance, so it would make quite a bit of sense. Keep us posted if you find more information!
 
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Sat Jan 04, 2020 3:55 pm

DL loaded in some changes for the summer:

Said this a few weeks back:
Q2 2019 IND-LAX sat at 518 PDEW, so 4 flights might be good for now, although I could see DL trying out IND-LAX on the B739 this summer since there is room for more capacity.

Tentatively starting June 8th IND-LAX transitions to the B739, and it appears to continue until August 31st, before going back to the B738

IND-MSP will be a mix of A319/A320/A321, an increase of 20%+ more seats per day than summer 2019
IND-DTW was previously scheduled to be 4xB717+3xCR9, now it is A321+6xCR9, same as last years schedule
IND-ATL is a mess with the A321, A320, MD80, & B717 all scheduled on the route, I doubt it will remain like that so I didn't run the numbers on that route
Looks like a lot of increased frequencies for the weekend, tentatively DL is adding 20% more seats on Sundays

With the large jump in IND-West capacity happening this summer, probably is for the best if DL doesn't add the 2nd SLC flight this year.
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Sat Jan 04, 2020 4:00 pm

UA to SFO will go back to double daily on March 6
 
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Sat Jan 04, 2020 4:06 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
DL loaded in some changes for the summer:

Said this a few weeks back:
Q2 2019 IND-LAX sat at 518 PDEW, so 4 flights might be good for now, although I could see DL trying out IND-LAX on the B739 this summer since there is room for more capacity.

Tentatively starting June 8th IND-LAX transitions to the B739, and it appears to continue until August 31st, before going back to the B738

IND-MSP will be a mix of A319/A320/A321, an increase of 20%+ more seats per day than summer 2019
IND-DTW was previously scheduled to be 4xB717+3xCR9, now it is A321+6xCR9, same as last years schedule
IND-ATL is a mess with the A321, A320, MD80, & B717 all scheduled on the route, I doubt it will remain like that so I didn't run the numbers on that route
Looks like a lot of increased frequencies for the weekend, tentatively DL is adding 20% more seats on Sundays

With the large jump in IND-West capacity happening this summer, probably is for the best if DL doesn't add the 2nd SLC flight this year.


With 2 Delta regional carriers having MX in IND, you're always going to see the 175 and CR9 operate in/out of there.
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Sat Jan 04, 2020 4:08 pm

DiamondFlyer wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
DL loaded in some changes for the summer:

Said this a few weeks back:
Q2 2019 IND-LAX sat at 518 PDEW, so 4 flights might be good for now, although I could see DL trying out IND-LAX on the B739 this summer since there is room for more capacity.

Tentatively starting June 8th IND-LAX transitions to the B739, and it appears to continue until August 31st, before going back to the B738

IND-MSP will be a mix of A319/A320/A321, an increase of 20%+ more seats per day than summer 2019
IND-DTW was previously scheduled to be 4xB717+3xCR9, now it is A321+6xCR9, same as last years schedule
IND-ATL is a mess with the A321, A320, MD80, & B717 all scheduled on the route, I doubt it will remain like that so I didn't run the numbers on that route
Looks like a lot of increased frequencies for the weekend, tentatively DL is adding 20% more seats on Sundays

With the large jump in IND-West capacity happening this summer, probably is for the best if DL doesn't add the 2nd SLC flight this year.


With 2 Delta regional carriers having MX in IND, you're always going to see the 175 and CR9 operate in/out of there.


Who's the second regional carrier? I know Republic has one, who's the other one?
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Sat Jan 04, 2020 4:20 pm

zackary747 wrote:
DiamondFlyer wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
DL loaded in some changes for the summer:

Said this a few weeks back:

Tentatively starting June 8th IND-LAX transitions to the B739, and it appears to continue until August 31st, before going back to the B738

IND-MSP will be a mix of A319/A320/A321, an increase of 20%+ more seats per day than summer 2019
IND-DTW was previously scheduled to be 4xB717+3xCR9, now it is A321+6xCR9, same as last years schedule
IND-ATL is a mess with the A321, A320, MD80, & B717 all scheduled on the route, I doubt it will remain like that so I didn't run the numbers on that route
Looks like a lot of increased frequencies for the weekend, tentatively DL is adding 20% more seats on Sundays

With the large jump in IND-West capacity happening this summer, probably is for the best if DL doesn't add the 2nd SLC flight this year.


With 2 Delta regional carriers having MX in IND, you're always going to see the 175 and CR9 operate in/out of there.


Who's the second regional carrier? I know Republic has one, who's the other one?


Endeavor

DiamondFlyer wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
DL loaded in some changes for the summer:

Said this a few weeks back:
Q2 2019 IND-LAX sat at 518 PDEW, so 4 flights might be good for now, although I could see DL trying out IND-LAX on the B739 this summer since there is room for more capacity.

Tentatively starting June 8th IND-LAX transitions to the B739, and it appears to continue until August 31st, before going back to the B738

IND-MSP will be a mix of A319/A320/A321, an increase of 20%+ more seats per day than summer 2019
IND-DTW was previously scheduled to be 4xB717+3xCR9, now it is A321+6xCR9, same as last years schedule
IND-ATL is a mess with the A321, A320, MD80, & B717 all scheduled on the route, I doubt it will remain like that so I didn't run the numbers on that route
Looks like a lot of increased frequencies for the weekend, tentatively DL is adding 20% more seats on Sundays

With the large jump in IND-West capacity happening this summer, probably is for the best if DL doesn't add the 2nd SLC flight this year.


With 2 Delta regional carriers having MX in IND, you're always going to see the 175 and CR9 operate in/out of there.


Yeah, except DL has phased RJs off of IND-SLC/MCO and almost IND-MSP. IIRC, most of the YX flying through IND is AA, and the Endeavor MX base is quite small.
I think eventually DL will only run IND-NYC/BOS/RDU with RJs, with IND-DTW only seeing 1-2 RJs per day. Unless they add more p2p flights from IND.
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Sat Jan 04, 2020 6:36 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
zackary747 wrote:
DiamondFlyer wrote:

With 2 Delta regional carriers having MX in IND, you're always going to see the 175 and CR9 operate in/out of there.


Who's the second regional carrier? I know Republic has one, who's the other one?


Endeavor

DiamondFlyer wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
DL loaded in some changes for the summer:

Said this a few weeks back:

Tentatively starting June 8th IND-LAX transitions to the B739, and it appears to continue until August 31st, before going back to the B738

IND-MSP will be a mix of A319/A320/A321, an increase of 20%+ more seats per day than summer 2019
IND-DTW was previously scheduled to be 4xB717+3xCR9, now it is A321+6xCR9, same as last years schedule
IND-ATL is a mess with the A321, A320, MD80, & B717 all scheduled on the route, I doubt it will remain like that so I didn't run the numbers on that route
Looks like a lot of increased frequencies for the weekend, tentatively DL is adding 20% more seats on Sundays

With the large jump in IND-West capacity happening this summer, probably is for the best if DL doesn't add the 2nd SLC flight this year.


With 2 Delta regional carriers having MX in IND, you're always going to see the 175 and CR9 operate in/out of there.


Yeah, except DL has phased RJs off of IND-SLC/MCO and almost IND-MSP. IIRC, most of the YX flying through IND is AA, and the Endeavor MX base is quite small.
I think eventually DL will only run IND-NYC/BOS/RDU with RJs, with IND-DTW only seeing 1-2 RJs per day. Unless they add more p2p flights from IND.


Never knew that. Where is Endeavors maintenance base located exactly on the airport property?
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Sat Jan 04, 2020 7:18 pm

zackary747 wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
zackary747 wrote:

Who's the second regional carrier? I know Republic has one, who's the other one?


Endeavor

DiamondFlyer wrote:

With 2 Delta regional carriers having MX in IND, you're always going to see the 175 and CR9 operate in/out of there.


Yeah, except DL has phased RJs off of IND-SLC/MCO and almost IND-MSP. IIRC, most of the YX flying through IND is AA, and the Endeavor MX base is quite small.
I think eventually DL will only run IND-NYC/BOS/RDU with RJs, with IND-DTW only seeing 1-2 RJs per day. Unless they add more p2p flights from IND.


Never knew that. Where is Endeavors maintenance base located exactly on the airport property?


They have office space in terminal A, not sure that they even have hangar space. You can do a lot of work on the ramp
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Sun Jan 05, 2020 6:46 pm

I believe Endeavor has only line maintenance at IND. They're not going to send an airplane here for maintenance reasons, but it does mean Delta will generally choose EDV over other operators like SkyWest or GoJet for IND flying.
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GSOtoIND wrote:
I believe Endeavor has only line maintenance at IND. They're not going to send an airplane here for maintenance reasons, but it does mean Delta will generally choose EDV over other operators like SkyWest or GoJet for IND flying.


In 6 months there will only be 3 DCI carriers, Endeavor, Republic and SkyWest
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Sun Jan 05, 2020 8:14 pm

DiamondFlyer wrote:
GSOtoIND wrote:
I believe Endeavor has only line maintenance at IND. They're not going to send an airplane here for maintenance reasons, but it does mean Delta will generally choose EDV over other operators like SkyWest or GoJet for IND flying.


In 6 months there will only be 3 DCI carriers, Endeavor, Republic and SkyWest

The GoJet CRJ900 CPA expires in either 2021 or 2023, so that will still be around unless/until Delta negotiates an early exit from it.
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GSOtoIND wrote:
DiamondFlyer wrote:
GSOtoIND wrote:
I believe Endeavor has only line maintenance at IND. They're not going to send an airplane here for maintenance reasons, but it does mean Delta will generally choose EDV over other operators like SkyWest or GoJet for IND flying.


In 6 months there will only be 3 DCI carriers, Endeavor, Republic and SkyWest

The GoJet CRJ900 CPA expires in either 2021 or 2023, so that will still be around unless/until Delta negotiates an early exit from it.


My understanding is that's already been done and that Endeavor will be taking the 7 CRJ9 starting this spring.
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DiamondFlyer wrote:
GSOtoIND wrote:
DiamondFlyer wrote:

In 6 months there will only be 3 DCI carriers, Endeavor, Republic and SkyWest

The GoJet CRJ900 CPA expires in either 2021 or 2023, so that will still be around unless/until Delta negotiates an early exit from it.


My understanding is that's already been done and that Endeavor will be taking the 7 CRJ9 starting this spring.

I believe those 7 were the new-build 70-seaters originally destined for SkyWest that Delta shifted over to Endeavor at the same time SKW got 6 of the Compass E175s.

Anyways, Endeavor's line maintenance resources ensure that they and Republic will operate the majority of Delta's regional flying. The current schedule has SkyWest operating one DTW turn and one MSP turn, both on the CRJ900. GoJet has one RDU turn on the CRJ700. The remaining flying, including all the RONs, is pretty evenly split between EDV and RPA.
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DiamondFlyer wrote:
GSOtoIND wrote:
The GoJet CRJ900 CPA expires in either 2021 or 2023, so that will still be around unless/until Delta negotiates an early exit from it.


My understanding is that's already been done and that Endeavor will be taking the 7 CRJ9 starting this spring.

I believe those 7 were the new-build 70-seaters originally destined for SkyWest that Delta shifted over to Endeavor at the same time SKW got 6 of the Compass E175s.

Anyways, Endeavor's line maintenance resources ensure that they and Republic will operate the majority of Delta's regional flying. The current schedule has SkyWest operating one DTW turn and one MSP turn, both on the CRJ900. GoJet has one RDU turn on the CRJ700. The remaining flying, including all the RONs, is pretty evenly split between EDV and RPA.


No, there was another announcement recently, from what I’m told, that the 7 G7 900s are moving over as well
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Mon Jan 06, 2020 3:19 pm

DL is running IND-LAS for CES later today, loads look pretty light, especially since they are running the B739 on the route
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Mon Jan 06, 2020 3:28 pm

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DL is running IND-LAS for CES later today, loads look pretty light, especially since they are running the B739 on the route


I would imagine that most people had no idea DL was running that route today. Also, Why pay all that money to fly on DL on that route when you can fly NK and save a ton of money.

One of the main reasons why I refuse to fly WN on the IND-LAS route is because its to expensive, WAY to expensive. I thought NK bringing daily service would of made them drop it down a notch. At least WN to LAX is within my budget.
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Mon Jan 06, 2020 3:44 pm

Why fly Delta? Because the tab isn't coming out of your pocket.

A year around or at least seasonal DL IND/LAS would still be nice to see at some point.
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Mon Jan 06, 2020 3:47 pm

The CVG-LAS flight Delta usually prices as cheap as Frontier and Allegaint. I'm flying it in March and paid under $300. If Delta did that for an IND-LAS it would probably do well.

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stlgph wrote:
Why fly Delta? Because the tab isn't coming out of your pocket.

A year around or at least seasonal DL IND/LAS would still be nice to see at some point.


ibthebigd wrote:
The CVG-LAS flight Delta usually prices as cheap as Frontier and Allegaint. I'm flying it in March and paid under $300. If Delta did that for an IND-LAS it would probably do well.

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IND-LAS is uniquely challenging due to the ULCC/LCC presence on the route, with WN 3x daily most of the year, NK daily, and G4/F9 between 2-4x weekly there is more competition on that route than from LAS to most mid-sized cities.

One thing that makes DL IND-LAS more viable than it otherwise might be, is the connections on the LAS end. DL runs LAS-LGB/SJC/SAN/SNA/PDX + LAS-DL's west coast hubs & JV partners.

Maybe they could try IND-LAS similar to how they run RDU-LAS with 3x weekly service.
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Mon Jan 06, 2020 4:22 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
stlgph wrote:
Why fly Delta? Because the tab isn't coming out of your pocket.

A year around or at least seasonal DL IND/LAS would still be nice to see at some point.


ibthebigd wrote:
The CVG-LAS flight Delta usually prices as cheap as Frontier and Allegaint. I'm flying it in March and paid under $300. If Delta did that for an IND-LAS it would probably do well.

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IND-LAS is uniquely challenging due to the ULCC/LCC presence on the route, with WN 3x daily most of the year, NK daily, and G4/F9 between 2-4x weekly there is more competition on that route than from LAS to most mid-sized cities.

One thing that makes DL IND-LAS more viable than it otherwise might be, is the connections on the LAS end. DL runs LAS-LGB/SJC/SAN/SNA/PDX + LAS-DL's west coast hubs & JV partners.

Maybe they could try IND-LAS similar to how they run RDU-LAS with 3x weekly service.


Network wide, the first full week of January is also probably a low travel week coming off the holidays. It makes the opportunity cost pretty low for DL to run some random XXX-LAS, so even if the route barely breaks above even, it might still be a better use of the aircraft than the alternative.
 
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DL is running IND-LAS for CES later today, loads look pretty light, especially since they are running the B739 on the route

Did Delta promote this flight at all? I only knew about it when I saw it on FR24 yesterday. I searched through our 2019 thread and it was mentioned when it appeared in the schedule around April. It seems like including it in a press release would've at least gotten the story picked up by local news. I'll bet most people going to CES went straight to southwest.com and didn't bother looking anywhere else.
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Mon Jan 06, 2020 7:33 pm

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Midwestindy wrote:
DL is running IND-LAS for CES later today, loads look pretty light, especially since they are running the B739 on the route

Did Delta promote this flight at all? I only knew about it when I saw it on FR24 yesterday. I searched through our 2019 thread and it was mentioned when it appeared in the schedule around April. It seems like including it in a press release would've at least gotten the story picked up by local news. I'll bet most people going to CES went straight to southwest.com and didn't bother looking anywhere else.


As far as I know there was no marketing at all to the general public.
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A one-off flight like this there wouldn't be marketing efforts - not worth the time effort energy. Do direct e-mail marketing if you want or just let the travel agents/bookers do their work in their searches.
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GSOtoIND wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
DL is running IND-LAS for CES later today, loads look pretty light, especially since they are running the B739 on the route

Did Delta promote this flight at all? I only knew about it when I saw it on FR24 yesterday. I searched through our 2019 thread and it was mentioned when it appeared in the schedule around April. It seems like including it in a press release would've at least gotten the story picked up by local news. I'll bet most people going to CES went straight to southwest.com and didn't bother looking anywhere else.


As far as I know there was no marketing at all to the general public.


With all due respect to the Indianapolis media, they do a terrible job at covering anything happening at the Indianapolis airport. 99% of the time it takes a press release from the airport itself for anything to be written. So not too surprising that this wouldn't be covered.

The airport doesn't helping either, since they don't give press releases for quarter/monthly passenger numbers anymore, and then they delete the previous months numbers after the new ones are released (luckily they are all documented on this thread). The general public probably knows nothing about what is happening at the airport

Hopefully in 2020 the airport (and Indianapolis media) will be more transparent on airport progress and developments

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A one-off flight like this there wouldn't be marketing efforts - not worth the time effort energy. Do direct e-mail marketing if you want or just let the travel agents/bookers do their work in their searches.


Looks like United did a bit of marketing for their CES flights, Delta didn't do the same.

But you are right, no need to do a big media push for 2 or 3 total flights
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Mon Jan 06, 2020 8:10 pm

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DL is running IND-LAS for CES later today, loads look pretty light, especially since they are running the B739 on the route

Did Delta promote this flight at all? I only knew about it when I saw it on FR24 yesterday. I searched through our 2019 thread and it was mentioned when it appeared in the schedule around April. It seems like including it in a press release would've at least gotten the story picked up by local news. I'll bet most people going to CES went straight to southwest.com and didn't bother looking anywhere else.


I would guess that the general John Q Public out there doesn’t know that WN normally flies IND-LAS and DL doesn’t. Most likely, the average pax (or their travel agent) will just go to Kayak/GoogleFlights/Concur/etc. and punch in IND-LAS and see what flights come up. The person going directly to WN.com is probably a loyal WN flyer and will fly WN regardless if DL is serving the route or not.
 
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Mon Jan 06, 2020 9:09 pm

I am excited to see what 2020 has in offer for IND. I would love a few more West Coast connections especially to SJC but don't see it happening in 2020 with the MAX.
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I am excited to see what 2020 has in offer for IND. I would love a few more West Coast connections especially to SJC but don't see it happening in 2020 with the MAX.


I wish WN/AS would have started IND-SJC instead of IND-OAK or IND-SFO, there are more connections through OAK/SFO, but IND-SJC was a faster growing market with I think more potential....

I think IND is hemmed in by the fact that UA's 3rd largest contract is Roche, who makes up a lot of the IND-Bay Area traffic and has most of its Bay Area operations closer to SFO. That coupled with Salesforce also being closer to SFO, and with IND being more tied to SF than the areas around SJC, makes me think IND has a better chance at a 3rd seasonal SFO flight than IND-SJC.

I think an issue that could arise would be the mid-continent hubs in between IND & the Bay Area:
- With UA IND-ORD being almost a shuttle route, and IND-ORD-SFO still being one of the largest(if not the largest) domestic connections from IND through ORD, they might not want to take away any of those flow passengers. IND-DEN-SFO(Q2 2019 avg fare $392 one-way) & IND-ORD-SFO(Q2 2019 avg fare $361 one-way) appear to be quite lucrative for UA, so maybe they will be fine with 2 daily for the foreseeable future, and maybe add a 4th IND-DEN rather than 3rd IND-SFO.

In terms of other west coast:
IND-PDX doesn't seem to get much discussion, but I think it would have potential. With Adidas, Finish Line, Lids, & Nike there are a certainly ties between the two cities. AS's second IND-SEA complicates things a little, but the O&D is still strong and avg fares are quite high.

Should be interesting to watch IND-West Coast with how much the ties between the two areas are growing.
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Tue Jan 07, 2020 12:14 am

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In terms of other west coast:
IND-PDX doesn't seem to get much discussion, but I think it would have potential. With Adidas, Finish Line, Lids, & Nike there are a certainly ties between the two cities. AS's second IND-SEA complicates things a little, but the O&D is still strong and avg fares are quite high.


I agree that AS adding IND-PDX nonstop service is a possibility, especially with the business ties that exist between PDX and IND and with AS already serving ORD, MCI, MSP, and OMA in the Midwest from PDX on at least a seasonal basis.
 
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Tue Jan 07, 2020 3:11 am

I'm thinking the best bet right now for Portland service would be the seasonal addition of Sun Country 2 or 3 times per week.
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Jan 07, 2020 10:13 pm

https://www.routesonline.com/events/208 ... tendeeList

Tons of new stuff added to the list.
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 08, 2020 12:25 pm

zackary747 wrote:
https://www.routesonline.com/events/208/routes-americas-2020/attending-delegates/airlines/p2/?list_order=atoz#attendeeList

Tons of new stuff added to the list.


Probably the last and only time you will ever see the Directors/Managers/Presidents of Network Planning for LH, BA, FI, DE, AC, e.t.c in IND....better make it count.
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 08, 2020 9:24 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
zackary747 wrote:
https://www.routesonline.com/events/208/routes-americas-2020/attending-delegates/airlines/p2/?list_order=atoz#attendeeList

Tons of new stuff added to the list.


Probably the last and only time you will ever see the Directors/Managers/Presidents of Network Planning for LH, BA, FI, DE, AC, e.t.c in IND....better make it count.


Didn't the commerce secretary hint at a possible announcement at the conference on Inside Indiana Business a couple months back?
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 09, 2020 2:14 pm

zackary747 wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
zackary747 wrote:
https://www.routesonline.com/events/208/routes-americas-2020/attending-delegates/airlines/p2/?list_order=atoz#attendeeList

Tons of new stuff added to the list.


Probably the last and only time you will ever see the Directors/Managers/Presidents of Network Planning for LH, BA, FI, DE, AC, e.t.c in IND....better make it count.


Didn't the commerce secretary hint at a possible announcement at the conference on Inside Indiana Business a couple months back?


Can't really tell if it was a hint or not, he made it sound as if it was
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 09, 2020 2:21 pm

If IND is going to be getting a new airline, I would assume it would be B6. They'd probably start with a couple of E190 flights to make sure IND can fit the margins before either (a) adding FLL or (b) adding a 3rd BOS frequency. If IND is going to be linked with Germany it'll probably be Condor. I just can't see LH striking first.
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Jan 10, 2020 2:01 am

flymco753 wrote:
If IND is going to be getting a new airline, I would assume it would be B6. They'd probably start with a couple of E190 flights to make sure IND can fit the margins before either (a) adding FLL or (b) adding a 3rd BOS frequency. If IND is going to be linked with Germany it'll probably be Condor. I just can't see LH striking first.


Sun Country and Contour are possible as well. Either at the conference or after.
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Jan 10, 2020 3:38 pm

zackary747 wrote:
flymco753 wrote:
If IND is going to be getting a new airline, I would assume it would be B6. They'd probably start with a couple of E190 flights to make sure IND can fit the margins before either (a) adding FLL or (b) adding a 3rd BOS frequency. If IND is going to be linked with Germany it'll probably be Condor. I just can't see LH striking first.


Sun Country and Contour are possible as well. Either at the conference or after.
Yes those as well. A good playlist would be B6, SY, LF, & DE as targets for the next 5 years. I think these airlines can sufficiently fill voids that IND would be looking for. B6 can easily capture corporate passengers going to BOS, SY can add PDX & secondary beach markets that aren't attainable by other airlines. LF can capture business traffic to BNA. Wasn't IND looking to be connected with Germany due to business ties? DE would be a good option for that with off daily flights.
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Jan 10, 2020 4:06 pm

I'm still looking for the compelling argument as to what value Indianapolis would add to the JetBlue network. At a time when the airline needs to be doing whatever it can to maximize revenue potential, launching IND and getting into a peepeematch on low yield fare routes....makes absolute zero sense.
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