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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Apr 01, 2020 3:51 pm

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146,000 passengers (including crew) were screened at all US airports yesterday.....



That's about half of what Atlanta does on a normal day. Wow...
 
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:53 pm

A quick look at the Southwest service in May, checking a totally random date of May 15.

Atlanta
700a
130p

Baltimore
915a
135p
550p

Denver
730a
1245p
635p

Las Vegas
930a
455p

Orlando
800a
445p

Phoenix
730a

Tampa
1235p

Nothing:
Chicago MIdway
Dallas
Ft Lauderdale
Ft Myers
Houston
Kansas City
Los Angeles
New Orleans

Of note:
Remember that Austin runs less than daily, I checked Sunday, May 17:

Austin 935a
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Apr 01, 2020 10:48 pm

stlgph wrote:
A quick look at the Southwest service in May, checking a totally random date of May 15.

Atlanta
700a
130p

Baltimore
915a
135p
550p

Denver
730a
1245p
635p

Las Vegas
930a
455p

Orlando
800a
445p

Phoenix
730a

Tampa
1235p

Nothing:
Chicago MIdway
Dallas
Ft Lauderdale
Ft Myers
Houston
Kansas City
Los Angeles
New Orleans

Of note:
Remember that Austin runs less than daily, I checked Sunday, May 17:

Austin 935a


Some of these are a bit ambitious, DEN & MCO schedules look a little fat

Some of these (LAX & MSY) were dropped in the MAX cuts a month or so back

Also it looks like WN is parking aircraft at IND, I believe they do heavy MX at AAR so that would make sense. Saw around 15 WN birds huddled around the AAR hangar, and presumably there are more inside the hangar itself.

Additionally I took this photo at around 5pm, peak flying time especially during Spring Break season:
Image

The one car you can barely see is actually a police car
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:25 am

Did you happen to flip around and get a garage shot from the other direction by chance?

I can only imagine how the surrounding hotels are doing....

Orlando seemed interesting to me, too, given the up-in-the-air regarding amusement parks, especially when Ft. Myers is down to 0 and Florida is now also a shelter-in-place state.
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Apr 02, 2020 3:01 am

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Did you happen to flip around and get a garage shot from the other direction by chance?

I can only imagine how the surrounding hotels are doing....

Orlando seemed interesting to me, too, given the up-in-the-air regarding amusement parks, especially when Ft. Myers is down to 0 and Florida is now also a shelter-in-place state.


Didn't bother unfortunately, but there were probably 4 cars total on the roof, not including the Blueindy cars.

Garage as a whole was still empty, and the number of cars in the garage may actually be inflated since I saw signs telling employees to park in the garage. FX construction was still going strong though on the other side of the airport, Civic Plaza appeared to have conservatively around 10-15 people (including some employees who were on break)

One of the airport hotels has been converted into an overflow site for Coronavirus patients
https://fox59.com/news/indianapolis-fir ... west-side/

Yeah I doubt any families are booking trips to Orlando for May at this point, Disneyworld isn't accepting reservations before June 1st, so not sure who they expect to be on those flights..... I would have expected at least 1 flight to RSW, as opposed to 2 MCOs, given the snowbird(2nd home) population in RSW. Although they are keeping PHX, so I guess there is still snowbird traffic there.
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Apr 02, 2020 3:36 am

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F9 halting service through IND, until at least the end of April

More routes lost for April (in addition to previous cuts):
AA IND-LAX/LGA/JFK
DL IND-LAX/CUN

DL added back IND-MCO for May, although I expect them to pull it again in the coming weeks
IND-SEA remains untouched for now
AA IND-BOS is likely to be pushed back soon as well
NK offering $14 flights to MCO


Adding to the list of airlines suspending service to IND (subject to change):
NK (early April-early May)
F9 (until May)
AC (until May)

Routes suspended by remaining airlines, not perfect due to rolling cancellations:
DL: MCO, LAX, RDU, CDG, CUN
WN: MDW, DAL, FLL, RSW, MCI, HOU
AA: LAX, JFK, LGA
UA: SFO
LF(?): BNA, PIT, STL
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Apr 03, 2020 1:55 am

UA down to 1x EWR/IAH, 2x DEN, & 3x ORD/IAD, won't be much left to update soon

Midwestindy wrote:
It's going to take for things to get back to the way they were earlier this year, I'm not putting too much stock in IND-CDG flying for while. I wonder if the state might hop in with incentives if DL plans to exit long-term....


https://secure.in.gov/apps/iedc/transpa ... o/view/440

"Since May 2018, transatlantic traffic from central Indiana has increased by nearly 50%, and Paris travel has increased by 122%"

So sad to see the progress wiped away
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:40 am

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UA down to 1x EWR/IAH, 2x DEN, & 3x ORD/IAD, won't be much left to update soon


Probably the last update:
UA IND-EWR now being removed
DL down to 4xDTW, 2xMSP, 3xATL
AA May down to 1xPHX, 3xDFW, 2xORD, 2xPHL, 4xCLT
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Apr 08, 2020 9:04 pm

I know some other airports are doing this, more on the scale of entire terminals - but any talk or signs or thoughts of perhaps consolidating operations from A into B or vice versa for the time being? I would presume they would keep A open for whatever the situation may come with an international arrival of sorts and that's where TSA pre is in the security areas.
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Apr 09, 2020 1:40 am

Spirit wanting to quit flying to IND for the moment, trying to get permission to still get bailout money

https://twitter.com/e_russell/status/12 ... 90689?s=20
 
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Apr 09, 2020 1:20 pm

stlgph wrote:
I know some other airports are doing this, more on the scale of entire terminals - but any talk or signs or thoughts of perhaps consolidating operations from A into B or vice versa for the time being? I would presume they would keep A open for whatever the situation may come with an international arrival of sorts and that's where TSA pre is in the security areas.
/


Not a bad idea IMO, I don't know the logistics of it though. If most airlines are running 50% of their schedule by June, it might not be worth it to coordinate everything.

Jshank83 wrote:
Spirit wanting to quit flying to IND for the moment, trying to get permission to still get bailout money

https://twitter.com/e_russell/status/12 ... 90689?s=20


Their network is not ideal for this, since most of their flights overlap with at least one carrier.

We'll see if they come back
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Apr 09, 2020 4:05 pm

With WN's announcement for June, WN will be down to 14 daily flights; MCO, PHX, LAS, DEN, BWI, ATL, & TPA remain
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Apr 09, 2020 4:25 pm

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With WN's announcement for June, WN will be down to 14 daily flights; MCO, PHX, LAS, DEN, BWI, ATL, & TPA remain
I'm surprised they keep ATL. I would think MDW for connections or DAL/HOU.

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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Apr 09, 2020 8:46 pm

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Midwestindy wrote:
With WN's announcement for June, WN will be down to 14 daily flights; MCO, PHX, LAS, DEN, BWI, ATL, & TPA remain
I'm surprised they keep ATL. I would think MDW for connections or DAL/HOU.

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I think their thought process was to cut most of the O&D heavy routes, IND-MDW is connection heavy but I think they'll try to accommodate most passengers through DEN, since they only fly INDMDW 1x per day

Will be interesting to see what INDs route map looks like this time next year....
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Apr 14, 2020 7:46 pm

IND is getting $52M in aid from the federal government

Drove by AAR today, looks like around 50 YX planes parked outside + around 15 WN planes as well, and more inside presumably
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Apr 14, 2020 9:44 pm

Will they lower the excessive fees ?? Don’t think IND needs a new rental car facility or a parking lot for about 10 more years.. Hope they can bring fees in line with CVG and SDF
 
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Apr 15, 2020 12:49 am

A USA Today article on the airline industry grant/loan/bailout says Allegiant wants to "drop 21 cities including Albuquerque and Tucson," which of course doesn't bode well for IND services.

Anyone know what the other 19 are?
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Apr 15, 2020 12:53 am

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A USA Today article on the airline industry grant/loan/bailout says Allegiant wants to "drop 21 cities including Albuquerque and Tucson," which of course doesn't bode well for IND services.

Anyone know what the other 19 are?


These: https://twitter.com/WandrMe/status/1249802484173934592
 
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Apr 15, 2020 1:25 am

Interesting list, thanks.
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Wed Apr 15, 2020 1:26 am

Especially BLI

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Wed Apr 15, 2020 2:40 am

I was thinking the same thing - BLI, you could say is one of their "cornerstone" spoke cities. But with Grand Forks and Ogdensburg on the list it's obvious their cross-border traffic from Canadians taking advantage of Allegiant fares has dropped significantly. Probably near, if not at 100% for the time being.
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Apr 15, 2020 2:16 pm

https://d1j6zi7czwjuok.cloudfront.net/i ... 0414142624

Calm before the storm, the extra day probably bumped up numbers

Feb traffic up 9.0%, YTD 9.2%
Feb Cargo +0.5%, YTD -0.5%

Feb '20 v '19 % changes
WN -1.9%
DL +6.3%
AA +3.7%
UA +7.2%
G4 +20.8%
NK +100%
F9 -2.9%
AS +33.2%

COSPN wrote:
Will they lower the excessive fees ?? Don’t think IND needs a new rental car facility or a parking lot for about 10 more years.. Hope they can bring fees in line with CVG and SDF


Expanded Rental Car facility is still needed, makes sense to start construction so it is ready once demand comes back (which will not be 10 years from now)

Fees are not as much of an issue as you might think
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Apr 15, 2020 3:25 pm

IND needs to lower fees not crank them up. About 4 years to return to normal. Hope I’m wrong but this is way way worse than 9-11
 
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Apr 19, 2020 4:23 pm

Data dump

LFs
October int'l
AC IND-YYZ-71.0%; YYZ-IND-78.7%
DL IND-CDG-78.7%; CDG-IND-87.0% (Last year: IND-CDG-59.3%; CDG-IND-72.3%)

January Domestic
AS IND-SEA-70.1%; SEA-IND-77.6%

G4 IND-SRQ-84.6%; SRQ-IND-88.3%
G4 IND-FLL-83.1%; FLL-IND-92.2%
G4 IND-PGD-82.9%; PGD-IND-87.2%
G4 IND-SFB-82.7%; SFB-IND-88.7%
G4 IND-LAS-82.5%; LAS-IND-76.4%
G4 IND-PIE-81.4%; PIE-IND-84.8%
G4 IND-TUS-80.5%; TUS-IND-75.7%
G4 IND-PBI-69.0%; PBI-IND-73.9%

AA IND-LAX-87.4%; LAX-IND-92.1%
AA IND-PHX-74.0%; PHX-IND-79.7%
AA IND-DCA-65.8%; DCA-IND-66.8%

DL IND-SLC-88.2%; SLC-IND-85.8%
DL IND-MCO-85.7%; MCO-IND-80.8%
DL IND-LAX-82.8%; LAX-IND-85.9%
DL IND-DTW-71.0%; DTW-IND-78.3%
DL IND-MSP-70.3%; MSP-IND-77.4%
DL IND-SEA-63.8%; SEA-IND-68.8%
DL IND-RDU-62.7%; RDU-IND-68.4%
DL IND-BOS-51.8%; BOS-IND-57.2%
DL IND-RSW- RSW-IND-97.9%

F9 IND-MCO-87.4%; MCO-IND-90.1%
F9 IND-LAS-80.4%; LAS-IND-83.7%
F9 IND-DEN-78.0%; DEN-IND-79.5%
F9 IND-RSW-70.0%; RSW-IND-80.3%

NK IND-MCO-67.5%; MCO-IND-84.0%
NK IND-LAS-57.9%; LAS-IND-72.9%
NK IND-TPA-57.5%; TPA-IND-70.0%
NK IND-RSW-55.8%; RSW-IND-62.0%

WN IND-LAX-94.4%; LAX-IND-96.6% (4 departures)
WN IND-MCO-87.6%; MCO-IND-82.1%
WN IND-DEN-87.3%; DEN-IND-86.9%
WN IND-RSW-80.3%; RSW-IND-77.2%
WN IND-PHX-77.8%; PHX-IND-82.4%
WN IND-FLL-77.7%; FLL-IND-82.1%
WN IND-TPA-66.1%; TPA-IND-66.3% (WN really trying to get NK out of the market)
WN IND-MDW-63.8%; MDW-IND-64.6%
WN IND-MCI-54.7%; MCI-IND-61.9%

UA IND-DEN-85.6%; DEN-IND-91.0%
UA IND-SFO-69.2%; SFO-IND-72.6%

Q4 2019 PDEW-Avg Fare (2018 Avg fare - 2018 PDEW)
IND-MCO-818-$173, WN captured 426 PDEW with $193 Avg fare ($190-701 PDEW)
IND-LAS-540-$212, WN captured 230 PDEW with $246 Avg fare ($213-437 PDEW)
IND-LAX-412-$259, AA captured 139 PDEW with $299 Avg fare ($273-430 PDEW)
IND-Dallas-407-$246, AA captured 267 PDEW with $274 Avg fare ($263-403 PDEW)
IND-TPA-401-$189, WN captured 293 PDEW with $192 Avg fare ($193-365 PDEW)
IND-RSW-400-$201, WN captured 263 PDEW with $210 Avg fare ($205-360 PDEW)
IND-LGA-340-$243, DL captured 227 PDEW with $269 Avg fare ($215-355 PDEW)
IND-FLL-339-$200, WN captured 205 PDEW with $207 Avg fare ($187-335 PDEW)
IND-BOS-269-$251, DL captured 184 PDEW with $284 Avg fare ($223-335 PDEW) *AA captured 40 PDEW
IND-EWR-258-$257, UA captured 232 PDEW with $260 Avg fare ($220-370 PDEW)
IND-SEA-204-$281, AS captured 109 PDEW with $289 Avg fare ($250-203 PDEW)
IND-SFO-200-$311, UA captured 135 PDEW with $318 Avg fare ($303-242 PDEW)

IND-SAN-183-$237, WN captured 73 PDEW with $221 Avg fare ($223-224 PDEW)

IND-AUS-179-$198 ($190-183 PDEW)
IND-RDU-135-$202 ($202-125 PDEW)
IND-JAX-133-$168 ($170-119 PDEW)
IND-MCI-124-$206 ($187-146 PDEW)
IND-MSY-113-$188 ($198-100 PDEW)
IND-SAT-108-$206 ($205-103 PDEW)
IND-SLC-89-$285 ($259-107 PDEW)
IND-PDX-88-$284, DL captured 31 PDEW with $294 Avg fare ($257-94 PDEW)
IND-SMF-66-$299 ($272-67 PDEW)

IND-TUS-63-$223, G4 captured 26 PDEW with $99 Avg fare ($251-42 PDEW)
IND-PBI-60-$213, DL captured 18 PDEW with $276 Avg fare ($230-47 PDEW)

IND-SNA-61-$310 ($307-64 PDEW)
IND-BDL-60-$255 ($238-60 PDEW)
IND-SJC-52-$296 ($254-49 PDEW)
IND-SJU-46-$301 ($282-48 PDEW)
IND-ABQ-43-$254 ($252-35 PDEW)
IND-PVD-42-$225 ($221-35 PDEW)
IND-ORF-42-$221 ($211-46 PDEW)
IND-HNL-40-$479 ($497-44 PDEW)

Smaller regional markets 2019 Q4 PDEW
IND-OKC-37 PDEW
IND-RIC-36 PDEW
IND-GSP-31 PDEW
IND-PIT-29 PDEW
IND-MEM-28 PDEW
IND-GSO-28 PDEW
IND-OMA-27 PDEW
IND-PWM-27 PDEW
IND-ALB-27 PDEW
IND-DSM-24 PDEW
IND-MDT-23 PDEW
IND-BHM-22 PDEW
IND-LIT-21 PDEW
IND-TUL-19 PDEW
IND-CLE-17 PDEW
IND-MSN-16 PDEW
IND-ILM-16 PDEW
IND-MKE-14 PDEW
IND-ICT-13 PDEW
IND-XNA-13 PDEW
IND-BNA-12 PDEW
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Apr 20, 2020 2:13 pm

https://www.insideindianabusiness.com/s ... o-normalcy

"Rodriguez said on a typical Wednesday, more than 14,000 passengers would pass through the airport’s security checkpoints. Last Wednesday that number was just over 400"
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Mon Apr 20, 2020 3:49 pm

UA will drop IAH and DEN in may :(
 
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Tue Apr 21, 2020 12:08 pm

IND-CDG has been removed from the schedules for the foreseeable future, MCO/TPA-AMS don't appear either, looks like most of the recent TATL adds are being cut for this year but haven't seen anything official from DL
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Wed Apr 22, 2020 2:30 am

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IND-CDG has been removed from the schedules for the foreseeable future, MCO/TPA-AMS don't appear either, looks like most of the recent TATL adds are being cut for this year but haven't seen anything official from DL


They have permanently removed INDCDG, MCOAMS and, oddly, ATLMAD.

And yeah, pretty much anything that is summers seasonal isn't happening this summer - TPAAMS, PDXLHR, the new Boston routes, etc.
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Fri Apr 24, 2020 8:14 pm

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They have permanently removed INDCDG, MCOAMS and, oddly, ATLMAD.

And yeah, pretty much anything that is summers seasonal isn't happening this summer - TPAAMS, PDXLHR, the new Boston routes, etc.


Permanently is an awfully big word. It worked, it will be back - not sure when, not this year I am sure, but it will be back.
 
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Sat Apr 25, 2020 12:19 am

COSPN wrote:
UA will drop IAH and DEN in may :(

Down to 2x E175 to ORD and 1x E175 to IAD
No 50-seaters :stirthepot:

DL schedule picks up after May 18th but on the 11th is 1x MD88 ATL, 2x CR9 / 1x E175 DTW, and 1x CR9 MSP

AA looks too aggressive in the midst of all this, still 3x A319 DFW, 3x E75, 1x A319 CLT, 2x E75 PHL, 1x A319 PHX, 1x CR7 / 1x ERJ ORD, and 2x E75 MIA

WN couldn't check everything but still quite a bit of capacity for only 400 daily passengers between everyone.

Hope things pick back up soon with things reopening.

Too put this in perspective, if AA ran an A319, DL an MD88, UA an E175 and WN a 737 the total daily passengers could be carried at regularish loads...!
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Sat Apr 25, 2020 1:11 am

kindeham wrote:
MAH4546 wrote:

They have permanently removed INDCDG, MCOAMS and, oddly, ATLMAD.

And yeah, pretty much anything that is summers seasonal isn't happening this summer - TPAAMS, PDXLHR, the new Boston routes, etc.


Permanently is an awfully big word. It worked, it will be back - not sure when, not this year I am sure, but it will be back.


It's been permanently removed from booking systems while other routes have re-start dates, so it's clear it won't be back for a bit.
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Sat Apr 25, 2020 3:00 pm

Headquarters terminations began yesterday at Republic. Unionized staff with a CBA not affected. Yet....
 
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Sat Apr 25, 2020 11:27 pm

AS is supposedly rerouting their SEA flight to SEA-STL-IND. Guess we get that STL-IND nonstop for awhile after all.
 
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Sun Apr 26, 2020 2:19 pm

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AS is supposedly rerouting their SEA flight to SEA-STL-IND. Guess we get that STL-IND nonstop for awhile after all.



looks like IND-STL is May 4-9 only, so far. First passenger service we've had in that market for what, 8 years? American Connection was the last, with ERJ-140s. A far cry from TWA L-1011s!
 
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Apr 26, 2020 3:14 pm

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With WN's announcement for June, WN will be down to 14 daily flights; MCO, PHX, LAS, DEN, BWI, ATL, & TPA remain


July has been updated, with a slight increase over June
4x BWI
3x DEN
2x ATL
2x LAS
2x MCO
1x HOU
1x PHX
1x TPA

NK will be only fly 3x weekly to MCO through July
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Sun Apr 26, 2020 3:15 pm

What about Allegiant? I haven't seen anything on them.

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Mon Apr 27, 2020 5:02 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
AS is supposedly rerouting their SEA flight to SEA-STL-IND. Guess we get that STL-IND nonstop for awhile after all.


They must be trying to block Contour :duck:
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Apr 27, 2020 6:54 pm

Allegiant: has flights on their website from May 1. You'll have to go and just poke around on the booking option yourself to find out what they're offering.
Surprised Vegas is on the list since it's still pretty much closed. Although flights are as low as $29 one way and fares are incredibly cheap to a number of other destinations.


Contour: flights were pretty much pulled from booking availability in mid-March. haven't found a date for later in the fall for a possible start, if even, this year.
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Apr 27, 2020 7:24 pm

filbrkz wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
AS is supposedly rerouting their SEA flight to SEA-STL-IND. Guess we get that STL-IND nonstop for awhile after all.



looks like IND-STL is May 4-9 only, so far. First passenger service we've had in that market for what, 8 years? American Connection was the last, with ERJ-140s. A far cry from TWA L-1011s!


10 years, believe it or not! Time flies. Last AmericanConnection flights IND-STL happened in spring 2010.
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Apr 29, 2020 3:50 pm

https://www.ibj.com/articles/delta-susp ... 9-pandemic

IBJ picking up on it:

Atlanta-based Delta Air Lines Inc. has halted its nonstop, year-round service from Indianapolis International Airport to Paris’ Charles de Gaulle Airport through at least winter, a Delta spokesperson told IBJ on Wednesday. No restart date has been set, she said.
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Apr 30, 2020 5:22 am

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Headquarters terminations began yesterday at Republic. Unionized staff with a CBA not affected. Yet....

YX has furloughed 68 pilots that were in training and 33 unionized dispatchers. No word on those already on the line. FA's likely to come next.

Recruiting department has been totally axed sans the managers, some mx back office is cut, and they even cut SOC Duty Managers. The RJet Ambassador collegiate recruiting program is now suspended. Non-union are "terminated" and according to the separation agreement, they are not even eligible for rehire.

YX applied for CARES money, but was unable to take them due to the warranties and equity the govt asked for. This is apparently a rule their corporate governance has due to the 2015 BK.

Side note:
Anyone have any idea on LIFT? I know they suspended all future classes right now and training is completely halted. I can't see them survive this if YX is cash-strapped.
 
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat May 02, 2020 7:29 pm

Might be a sign of some optimism in air travel, but UA updated its schedule last night and is tentatively bringing back DEN on June 4th & EWR on May 21st both at 1x daily. IAH appears to return in late June Weekend only.
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun May 03, 2020 12:32 am

Midwestindy wrote:
Might be a sign of some optimism in air travel, but UA updated its schedule last night and is tentatively bringing back DEN on June 4th & EWR on May 21st both at 1x daily. IAH appears to return in late June Weekend only.

ORD looks cut for early June and then down to 1x daily for the rest of the month. Assuming (hoping) that's a mistake. Late June still looks like the default schedule for IND-DEN with 3x daily and mainline.
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun May 03, 2020 2:48 pm

SumChristianus wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
Might be a sign of some optimism in air travel, but UA updated its schedule last night and is tentatively bringing back DEN on June 4th & EWR on May 21st both at 1x daily. IAH appears to return in late June Weekend only.

ORD looks cut for early June and then down to 1x daily for the rest of the month. Assuming (hoping) that's a mistake. Late June still looks like the default schedule for IND-DEN with 3x daily and mainline.


hmmm, something about that doesn't seem right...Why would you add IND-DEN/EWR, and get rid of ORD/IAD? FWIW, ORD-IND shows 4x daily, although it also shows IAH-IND 3x daily as well which doesn't seem likely.

AA's new June schedule looks a little fat though.

4x IND-CLT (1 A319)
3x IND-DFW (3 A319)
2x IND-MIA
2x IND-ORD
2x IND-PHL
1x IND-PHX (1 A319)
1x IND-DCA

I wouldn't be surprised if coming out of this downturn, AA returns larger in IND than DL.
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun May 03, 2020 7:01 pm

Couple of possibiities on UA -

1 - That's the schedule and that's just going to be the way it is given the rest of their network for that time
2 - That's what they've currently been able to figure out logistics wise given fleet groundings and other considerations
3 - As we know, this situation is changing every 5 minutes. You could check at 2 pm and see something entirely different from when I look at 2:15 p.m.

Definitely something to keep watching.

As for AA larger than DL - I can see that happening, at least for a good "while."
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue May 05, 2020 4:12 pm

IND put out a report of Q1 financial position, quick read, but shows decreases in certain revenue streams

https://d1j6zi7czwjuok.cloudfront.net/i ... 0503194217


Passengers down -51.4% for March, slightly better than expected. YTD -15.3%
Cargo down -4.3%, YTD -1.9%

AA moved into 3rd in March, but WN was far and away the largest carrier since leisure travel was the last to drop off, and WN has maintained the most capacity. Wild that G4 was almost larger than UA in March

March Market Share-%-(% Change in Pax compared to last March):
WN-30.7%-(-53.8%)
AA-19.8%-(-54.7%)
DL-19.2%-(-59.2%)
UA-10.5%-(-49.7%)
G4-9.1%-(-42.7%)
NK-5.7%-(+107.7%)
F9-3.3%-(-39.3%)
AS-1.0%-(-51.5%)
AC-0.3%-(-68.8%)

https://d1j6zi7czwjuok.cloudfront.net/i ... 0504220912

stlgph wrote:
Couple of possibiities on UA -

1 - That's the schedule and that's just going to be the way it is given the rest of their network for that time
2 - That's what they've currently been able to figure out logistics wise given fleet groundings and other considerations
3 - As we know, this situation is changing every 5 minutes. You could check at 2 pm and see something entirely different from when I look at 2:15 p.m.

Definitely something to keep watching.

As for AA larger than DL - I can see that happening, at least for a good "while."


Yep, IND-ORD is back on the schedule, 2x both midday.

Most surprising thing is IND-DEN, now loaded 2x daily, CR7+ B739. Going h2h with WN's 3x, and F9.
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue May 05, 2020 6:19 pm

I assume some airport vendors are still closed? Or are they starting to re-open in alliance with the state re-opening phases/plan and some flights gradually coming back on the schedule. Anyone have more insight?
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue May 05, 2020 8:45 pm

No still closed ..Marion county still on lockdown
 
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed May 06, 2020 6:11 pm

IND fairing sizably better than US average

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stlgph wrote:
I assume some airport vendors are still closed? Or are they starting to re-open in alliance with the state re-opening phases/plan and some flights gradually coming back on the schedule. Anyone have more insight?


With Marion County still on lockdown until May 15th, I expect many to remain closed into June and likely July.

AA & WN are showing a decent amount of capacity for June, so there is optimism there that at least some passenger volume will be coming back through IND by next month.
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Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu May 07, 2020 12:08 am

https://www.ibj.com/articles/tourism-le ... ed-sectors

"The executive director of the Indianapolis International Airport predicts its flight activity will be 45% less than originally expected for the year and that it will likely see lower-than-normal activity for up to three years"

"Airport activity has dropped to as low as 5% of typical operations, with the the facility serving only 14 of its 53 destinations."

"But Rodriguez said he expects activity to bounce back to 80% of normal in 2021. Still, he said, the next three years could be challenging, as only 33 to 35 of Indianapolis’ catalog of non-stop flights are expected to be active in that period, with most international travel shut down."

I'm assuming they don't expect: YYZ, SAN, MDW, MCI, CHS, OAK, AUS, TUS, RDU, CUN, MYR, PBI, SAV, plus PIT/BNA/STL. And maybe some combination of SLC, LAX or SFO.
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