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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Jun 01, 2020 10:12 am

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Nifty minute and a half video by WEWS's John Rudder, showing how jammed the airport is with parked UA planes. I counted 45; there are probably more.

https://twitter.com/JonRudder/status/12 ... 0062946314


85 last I heard
Aircraft Flown: SF3 DH8 DH4 328 ERJ CRJ CR7 CR9 E70 E75 D9S M80 712 72S 732 733 734 735 73G 738 739 739ER 752 318 319 32
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Jun 02, 2020 7:03 pm

New service from NK , CLE-EWR start’s next month sometime , source Cleveland.com
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Jun 02, 2020 10:48 pm

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New service from NK , CLE-EWR start’s next month sometime , source Cleveland.com


I didn't see it in this article from cleveland.com today: https://www.cleveland.com/business/2020 ... e-way.html. But it appears bookable on Spirit's website and to be one daily nonstop starting July 1. Interesting add.
 
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Jun 03, 2020 9:27 pm

That's great--CLE needs an LCC in the CLE-NYC market. And with the UA withdrawl from LGA--even with some new capacity from AA there--a new carrier into any of the NYC airports is good for the city pair. Certainly those hard plastic seats are tolerable for a one hour flight.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Jun 05, 2020 3:17 pm

CLE may be timing the terminal modernization project perfectly if the current masterplan update results in a 2023-24 construction project.

S&P just downgraded PIT's credit outlook to negative and the airport is getting advice from 'experts' to cancel or at least delay for a year or two their $1.1 billion terminal project. The report said other airports are also affected by the S&P action and it's easy to believe CLE would be among them.

https://www.post-gazette.com/business/d ... 2006050081
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Jun 06, 2020 5:12 pm

This weekend's sked update from UA shows 12 weekday CLE flights for July
EWR - 3
ORD - 3
IAD - 2
IAH - 2
DEN - 1
SFO - 1

No LAX. @JonNYC, the Twitter AA guru, says UA appears to be stepping back a bit from the LAX market.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Jun 06, 2020 7:36 pm

masseybrown wrote:
No LAX. @JonNYC, the Twitter AA guru, says UA appears to be stepping back a bit from the LAX market.


AA, DL, or WN adding CLE-LAX nonstop service might be a possibility once demand for air travel returns as the PDEW on CLE-LAX was 464 passengers per day in Q3 2019.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Jun 06, 2020 8:14 pm

jplatts wrote:
masseybrown wrote:
No LAX. @JonNYC, the Twitter AA guru, says UA appears to be stepping back a bit from the LAX market.


AA, DL, or WN adding CLE-LAX nonstop service might be a possibility once demand for air travel returns as the PDEW on CLE-LAX was 464 passengers per day in Q3 2019.


We'll see what AA posts tonight. They are showing signs of wanting to take a bigger market share in CLE.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Jun 07, 2020 12:59 am

LAX summer market appears to be Spirits.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Jun 07, 2020 4:55 am

For July:
AA:
CLT - 5
PHL - 4
ORD - 4
DFW - 3
MIA - 2
DCA - 1

DL:
ATL - 5
DTW - 3
MSP - 2

I guess LGA folks have learned to love I-80.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Jun 07, 2020 4:01 pm

^PHL is closer to CLE than NYC, but far more cops on 76 than 80, so it makes sense PHL has more service than LGA.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Jun 07, 2020 4:30 pm

^^ My AA numbers are one frequency different in a couple of cases from enilria's weekly OAG post. All I can say is I got them from aa.com.

AA does seem to be showing more confidence in future CLE traffic than DL/UA; I guess they can cut the sked pretty quickly if they're wrong.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Jun 07, 2020 8:22 pm

^Speaking of AA, I was hoping for an AA add for CLE-LAX since UA is bizarrely holding back on one of the top city pairs for CLE, though AA is probably more focused on restoring previous cuts than adding new routes, although now is the time to stake new territories.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Jun 08, 2020 12:21 am

UA's flight schedules are currently showing the resumption of CLE-LAX nonstop service starting on August 3rd.

In addition to UA nonstop flights from CLE to its hubs, UA's flight schedules are also currently still showing nonstop service to FLL, RSW, and MCO in Spring 2021 but no nonstop service to TPA in Spring 2021.

WN adding daily nonstop service to TPA from CLE might be a possibility once demand for air travel to Florida returns with CLE being one of the largest markets in the U.S. that doesn't have daily nonstop service to TPA on any of the big 4 U.S. airlines. WN also has an FF base in the Tampa Bay Area to support TPA-CLE nonstop service, and WN also still has daily nonstop service to TPA from most of the other major Midwestern cities.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Jun 08, 2020 6:25 am

AC plans to resume CLE-YYZ on Sept 21 with 3 E175s
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Jun 08, 2020 12:17 pm

masseybrown wrote:
Nifty minute and a half video by WEWS's John Rudder, showing how jammed the airport is with parked UA planes. I counted 45; there are probably more.

https://twitter.com/JonRudder/status/12 ... 0062946314


My daughter and I drove by the old concourse D to check out the parked planes. On most of the engines that were covered up, it looks like they used duct tape or something to make faces on the engines. It was a nice touch and I'm glad they were having a little fun during this stressful time.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Jun 08, 2020 3:07 pm

jplatts wrote:
UA's flight schedules are currently showing the resumption of CLE-LAX nonstop service starting on August 3rd.


I'm not sure I believe UA's August schedules yet.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Jun 08, 2020 4:41 pm

masseybrown wrote:
jplatts wrote:
UA's flight schedules are currently showing the resumption of CLE-LAX nonstop service starting on August 3rd.


I'm not sure I believe UA's August schedules yet.


Agree. I don't think I would trust any big 3 schedules from August on. I am not sure any of them have been updated yet.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Jun 11, 2020 3:24 pm

Cleveland Load Factors 2020-02
A very strong month for Florida despite beginning of pandemic concerns...
FLL was way oversaturated. Frontier/Southwest look to be out so UA/NK/B6 can regain some of that market share.

United Airlines
CLE-MCO: 93%
CLE-RSW: 89%
CLE-FLL: 77%
CLE-EWR: 78%
CLE-ORD: 81%
CLE-IAH: 84%
CLE-LGA: 63%
CLE-DCA: 62%
CLE-DEN: 89%
CLE-LAX: 87%
CLE-SFO: 66%
CLE-IAD: 72%

Frontier Airlines
CLE-MCO: 87%
CLE-RSW: 91%
CLE-TPA: 86%
CLE-SRQ: 93%
CLE-PBI: 73%
CLE-FLL: 79%
CLE-MIA: 71% (This route didn't do great, but is scheduled to return starting NOV 2020)
CLE-PHX: 89%
CLE-LAS: 84% (Good load for 10x weekly!)
CLE-DEN: 83%
CLE-CUN: 82% (2019-11)

Spirit Airlines
CLE-MCO: 90%
CLE-RSW: 79%
CLE-TPA: 78%
CLE-FLL: 80%
CLE-LAS: 87%
CLE-ATL: 78%
CLE-LAX: 75%
CLE-MSY: 74%

Southwest Airlines
CLE-MCO: 96%
CLE-RSW: 90%
CLE-TPA: 80%
CLE-FLL: 81%
CLE-BNA: 81%
CLE-MDW: 70%
CLE-MKE: 52%
CLE-BWI: 72%
CLE-STL: 75%
CLE-PHX: 80%
CLE-LAS: 78%
CLE-DEN: 91%
CLE-ATL: 79%

Allegiant Air
CLE-SRQ: 89%
CLE-SFB: 80%
CLE-BNA: 58%
CLE-PGD: 91%
CLE-PIE: 86%
CLE-SAV: 84%
CLE-CHS: 80%

JetBlue Airways
CLE-FLL: 73%
CLE-BOS: 73%

Delta Airlines
CLE-LGA: 60%
CLE-JFK: 61%
CLE-BOS: 68%
CLE-ATL: 84%
CLE-RDU: 58%
CLE-BDL: 47% (Amazingly it seems these RDU/BDL have survived so far. Scheduled to resume in SEP 2020)
CLE-SLC: 88%
CLE-MSP: 84%
CLE-DTW: 82%

American Airlines
CLE-MIA: 91%
CLE-ORD: 84%
CLE-LGA: 59%
CLE-PHL: 84%
CLE-DFW: 93% (American dropped to 70 departures this month... clearly could've used more capacity)
CLE-CLT: 82%
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Jun 11, 2020 3:44 pm

CLE-MKE: 52%

Now we see why WN dropped this. Even in peak season it couldn't get over 70%. Odd pairing of 2 spokes with no connections on either end.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Jun 12, 2020 12:52 am

I would certainly take these loads with a grain of salt... travel really started plunging at the end of February but most routes were looking normal the first 2/3 of the month
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Jun 12, 2020 1:29 am

avtcle wrote:
I would certainly take these loads with a grain of salt... travel really started plunging at the end of February but most routes were looking normal the first 2/3 of the month


March 1st TSA numbers were 99.1% of the previous year. They weren't plunging much and domestic sure wasn't. CLE traffic in Feb was up 8%. Hard to see that as plunging at all.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Jun 13, 2020 7:28 pm

pmanni1 wrote:
CLE-MKE: 52%

Now we see why WN dropped this. Even in peak season it couldn't get over 70%. Odd pairing of 2 spokes with no connections on either end.


WN immediately stepped in when UA dropped MKE. There was likely a business reason behind the add similar to DL BDL-CLE. The problem with WN is they couldn’t stick an RJ on the route to offer decent frequency like UA did so LFs took a huge hit. I know WN tried CLE-MKE-PHX on one frequency to try to generate pax.

NK is adding a second flight to MYR 4x weekly starting in July. The airline continues to increase flights and will have up to 13 departures on certain days in July. Not bad considering NK didn’t fly anything for most of April.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Jun 13, 2020 11:42 pm

Ultimate Air Shuttle BKL to MKE would be great. Midwest Express has a opportunity now if they actually fly again.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:31 pm

izbtmnhd wrote:
pmanni1 wrote:
CLE-MKE: 52%

Now we see why WN dropped this. Even in peak season it couldn't get over 70%. Odd pairing of 2 spokes with no connections on either end.


WN immediately stepped in when UA dropped MKE. There was likely a business reason behind the add similar to DL BDL-CLE. The problem with WN is they couldn’t stick an RJ on the route to offer decent frequency like UA did so LFs took a huge hit. I know WN tried CLE-MKE-PHX on one frequency to try to generate pax.


LifetimeGS wrote:
Ultimate Air Shuttle BKL to MKE would be great. Midwest Express has a opportunity now if they actually fly again.


DL will still offer connections to MKE from CLE through its DTW hub after WN discontinues CLE-MKE nonstop service, and the travel time between CLE and MKE on DL with a connection through DTW is approximately 3 hours compared to a 7-hour drive between Cleveland and Milwaukee. There are also some travelers going between CLE and MKE who would be willing to connect through DTW on DL once WN discontinues CLE-MKE nonstop service with the DL connecting option through DTW being faster than the drive between Cleveland and Milwaukee (and the difference in travel time can be even bigger at certain times of day due to Chicago traffic).

I agree that UE adding BKL-MKE nonstop service might be a possibility as UE can more easily fill BKL-MKE nonstop flights with UE's ERJ-135LR and Fairchild Dornier 328JET planes only having 30 seats.

I also agree that the new Midwest Express adding CLE-MKE nonstop service is a possibility if the new Midwest Express actually starts operations.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Jun 16, 2020 12:09 am

Ua connects tru ORD also to MKE--have done it many times
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Jun 16, 2020 12:20 am

Trk1 wrote:
Ua connects tru ORD also to MKE--have done it many times


I agree with your point, especially with UA having a FF base in Greater Cleveland due to the former CO/UA CLE hub.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Jun 16, 2020 3:27 pm

izbtmnhd wrote:
pmanni1 wrote:
WN immediately stepped in when UA dropped MKE. There was likely a business reason behind the add similar to DL BDL-CLE. The problem with WN is they couldn’t stick an RJ on the route to offer decent frequency like UA did so LFs took a huge hit. I know WN tried CLE-MKE-PHX on one frequency to try to generate pax.


Minor clarification which puts a finer point on CLE-MKE. Southwest added it when United was still flying it as one of their only remaining post-hub point to point routes. And then when Southwest started it United continued to fly it for several months before stopping. All of those points suggest that there is (or at least was) quite a bit of desirable traffic. If Ultimate returns or Midwest beats the odds and flies, this market has to be high on a list for consideration. Business travel need to recover a whole lot more before anything like this is reasonable, however.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Jun 16, 2020 9:02 pm

pmanni1 wrote:
CLE-MKE: 52%

Now we see why WN dropped this. Even in peak season it couldn't get over 70%. Odd pairing of 2 spokes with no connections on either end.


But it's coming back twice a day in mid-August, according to the online schedule. It's probably a very business-oriented route with high (for WN) fares.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Jun 16, 2020 9:15 pm

masseybrown wrote:
pmanni1 wrote:
CLE-MKE: 52%

Now we see why WN dropped this. Even in peak season it couldn't get over 70%. Odd pairing of 2 spokes with no connections on either end.


But it's coming back twice a day in mid-August, according to the online schedule. It's probably a very business-oriented route with high (for WN) fares.


FWIW WN hasn’t updated for COVID past mid August (except intl). Not saying it won’t come back, my guess it will eventually unless they stated it won’t, but that schedule isn’t set yet.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Jun 17, 2020 4:56 am

I'd love to see BKL-MKE service return whether on Midwest Express or Ultimate. Midwest Express used to operate 4x daily (on weekdays) on BKL-MKE with a stop (no connection) at Detroit City.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Jun 17, 2020 6:12 am

Jshank83 wrote:
masseybrown wrote:
pmanni1 wrote:
CLE-MKE: 52%

Now we see why WN dropped this. Even in peak season it couldn't get over 70%. Odd pairing of 2 spokes with no connections on either end.


But it's coming back twice a day in mid-August, according to the online schedule. It's probably a very business-oriented route with high (for WN) fares.


FWIW WN hasn’t updated for COVID past mid August (except intl). Not saying it won’t come back, my guess it will eventually unless they stated it won’t, but that schedule isn’t set yet.


Ah, ok. I thought when they added a winter sked extension they had cleaned up the meanwhile.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Jun 17, 2020 10:10 pm

greenair727 wrote:
I'd love to see BKL-MKE service return whether on Midwest Express or Ultimate. Midwest Express used to operate 4x daily (on weekdays) on BKL-MKE with a stop (no connection) at Detroit City.


It did, but it was actually YX* Skyway BE1 and did not last very long, unfortunately. If Southwest ultimately does not bring CLE-MKE back service on BKL-MKE would be great to see.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Jun 18, 2020 1:49 pm

Good news for a change: JetBlue will add 'up to' 1 daily flight CLE-RSW effective Oct 1st. I guess 'up to' means daily in the prime winter season, less than daily outside of that.

https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/ ... 005531/en/
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Jun 18, 2020 3:08 pm

masseybrown wrote:
Good news for a change: JetBlue will add 'up to' 1 daily flight CLE-RSW effective Oct 1st. I guess 'up to' means daily in the prime winter season, less than daily outside of that.

https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/ ... 005531/en/


That is great---the more B6 in CLE the better as it shows their belief in CLE. With 3 routes from the city, additions like LGB, JFK, SJU are more likely.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Jun 18, 2020 3:24 pm

greenair727 wrote:
masseybrown wrote:
Good news for a change: JetBlue will add 'up to' 1 daily flight CLE-RSW effective Oct 1st. I guess 'up to' means daily in the prime winter season, less than daily outside of that.

https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/ ... 005531/en/


That is great---the more B6 in CLE the better as it shows their belief in CLE. With 3 routes from the city, additions like LGB, JFK, SJU are more likely.


Popular opinion (on a.net) is that B6 will be leaving LGB - but they've been predicting that for a while now. Maybe EWR, where B6 acquired 6 gates and is planning a base, would be more likely than JFK.

I agree restoring CO's old SJU flight would make sense at least for some weekend flights. Unofficial counts say 5800 ex-PR residents have moved to Greater CLE in the last 10 years.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Jun 19, 2020 4:10 am

masseybrown wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
masseybrown wrote:

But it's coming back twice a day in mid-August, according to the online schedule. It's probably a very business-oriented route with high (for WN) fares.


FWIW WN hasn’t updated for COVID past mid August (except intl). Not saying it won’t come back, my guess it will eventually unless they stated it won’t, but that schedule isn’t set yet.


Ah, ok. I thought when they added a winter sked extension they had cleaned up the meanwhile.


August is up now. It’s not listed anymore. We will see if it stays when they do September.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Jun 19, 2020 12:21 pm

Looks like CLE will have 2 jetBlue A320's RON starting in October. The flight from RSW arrives at 845pm and FLL arrives at 1205am. Flights leave the following morning at 7am for FLL and 8am for RSW.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Jun 19, 2020 1:00 pm

masseybrown wrote:
For July:
AA:
CLT - 5
PHL - 4
ORD - 4
DFW - 3
MIA - 2
DCA - 1

DL:
ATL - 5
DTW - 3
MSP - 2

I guess LGA folks have learned to love I-80.


DL August schedule is out now --

ATL - 6
DTW - 5
LGA - 2
MSP - 4
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Jun 19, 2020 2:23 pm

umichman wrote:
masseybrown wrote:
For July:
AA:
CLT - 5
PHL - 4
ORD - 4
DFW - 3
MIA - 2
DCA - 1

DL:
ATL - 5
DTW - 3
MSP - 2

I guess LGA folks have learned to love I-80.


DL August schedule is out now --

ATL - 6
DTW - 5
LGA - 2
MSP - 4


How did you find this?
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Jun 19, 2020 2:54 pm

The airport has released April and May numbers
Total pax for April - 30,149
Total for May - 88,559 (Down from 888,520 in May of 2019)

Year to date cargo at the end of May was down 4.7% from 2019.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Jun 19, 2020 3:37 pm

^Interesting that cargo was impacted so little.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Jun 19, 2020 3:48 pm

^Everybody sitting at home with nothing to do but order from Amazon. :)
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Jun 19, 2020 4:57 pm

umichman wrote:

DL August schedule is out now --

ATL - 6
DTW - 5
LGA - 2
MSP - 4


CLE-SLC comes back in mid-September.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Jun 19, 2020 5:34 pm

masseybrown wrote:
umichman wrote:

DL August schedule is out now --

ATL - 6
DTW - 5
LGA - 2
MSP - 4


CLE-SLC comes back in mid-September.


I also see JFK for TATL connections.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Jun 19, 2020 6:07 pm

masseybrown wrote:
jplatts wrote:
UA's flight schedules are currently showing the resumption of CLE-LAX nonstop service starting on August 3rd.


I'm not sure I believe UA's August schedules yet.


Correct, UA's August schedule is still pre-COVID and they will cut it down based on number of bookings that are made
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Jun 21, 2020 5:44 pm

Enilria's weekly OAG post shows 1x CLE-MKE beginning in September. Maybe this one will really happen. I also liked seeing WN's 1.4 dailies in the CLE-PHX market.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Jun 21, 2020 8:39 pm

masseybrown wrote:
umichman wrote:

DL August schedule is out now --

ATL - 6
DTW - 5
LGA - 2
MSP - 4


CLE-SLC comes back in mid-September.


DL domestic schedule for September is still largely pre-Covid and will see significant changes. DL just pushed out it's August cuts this weekend and CLE-SLC was one of the casualties. September cuts will likely be published in a month and I would expect that the route will again get cut for the month.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Jun 21, 2020 8:49 pm

umichman wrote:
DL domestic schedule for September is still largely pre-Covid and will see significant changes. DL just pushed out it's August cuts this weekend and CLE-SLC was one of the casualties. September cuts will likely be published in a month and I would expect that the route will again get cut for the month.


There was a very cynical article in the Financial Times a few weeks ago saying that the airlines are keeping these phantom flights in their schedules to capture reservations, which they will later vector onto some more or less unappealing connection. I suppose when you're desperate, that's the way you treat your customers.

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