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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Jul 17, 2020 11:32 pm

They've been at CGF for over 20 years. Impressive ops center even back then in 1999 - they offered me a job but the thought of commuting from the far west side was a route too far : ). I ended up at CLE instead. I believe many of their aircraft rotate through their hangers at County.
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    Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

    Sat Jul 18, 2020 5:35 am

    greenair727 wrote:
    ^Wouldn't such a facility make more sense at BKL than CGF?


    Kenn Ricci's companies pretty much are CGF. Constant, Sentient, Nextant, Flight Options, and Flexjet employ more than a thousand people there. With talk of BKL eventually closing (maybe by 2030??) it doesn't make sense to put big money into lakefront aviation. In fact, Ricci should probably be quietly buying up land and houses to support an expansion of CGF. Shh ... don't tell the NIMBYs.
     
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    Sun Jul 19, 2020 1:18 pm

    An An-124 just landed as Volga-dnepr 3639, inbound from SWF. Somebody’s getting some oversized cargo.
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    Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

    Mon Jul 20, 2020 12:15 pm

    Error...sorry!
     
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    Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

    Mon Jul 20, 2020 12:50 pm

    September flight cuts begin:
    Spirit has cut. Cle to Ewr
    Alligent has cut several Cle to Fla routes
     
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    Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

    Mon Jul 20, 2020 1:25 pm

    Trk1 wrote:
    Spirit has cut. Cle to Ewr


    There go the $25 round trips. :smile:
     
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    Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

    Mon Jul 20, 2020 1:26 pm

    masseybrown wrote:
    Trk1 wrote:
    Spirit has cut. Cle to Ewr


    There go the $25 round trips. :smile:


    That’s just for September. It will probably come back around November. The route attracted lots of pax in July.
     
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    Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

    Mon Jul 20, 2020 1:42 pm

    Trk1 wrote:
    September flight cuts begin:
    Alligent has cut several Cle to Fla routes


    As of now it looks like only PGD and SAV survive, everything else is gone. I imagine much of it is only seasonal cuts, although these seem deep.
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    Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

    Mon Jul 20, 2020 5:35 pm

    Keep in mind. Right now:
    1. Ohioans, in general, and those in many other states, cannot go to NY, CT, and NJ without quarantining for 14 days - Kinda puts a damper on travel demand.
    2. Florida is a COVID hot mess right now and for the foreseeable future. This can't be helping travel demand either.
    3. Is COVID why UA has restored SFO, but not LAX?
     
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    Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

    Mon Jul 20, 2020 5:53 pm

    flyPIT wrote:
    Trk1 wrote:
    September flight cuts begin:
    Alligent has cut several Cle to Fla routes


    As of now it looks like only PGD and SAV survive, everything else is gone. I imagine much of it is only seasonal cuts, although these seem deep.


    G4 normally shrinks into a ball in September, they only ran CLE-SAV/SRQ last September and both were 2x weekly
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    Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

    Mon Jul 20, 2020 6:34 pm

    Midwestindy wrote:
    flyPIT wrote:
    Trk1 wrote:
    September flight cuts begin:
    Alligent has cut several Cle to Fla routes


    As of now it looks like only PGD and SAV survive, everything else is gone. I imagine much of it is only seasonal cuts, although these seem deep.


    G4 normally shrinks into a ball in September, they only ran CLE-SAV/SRQ last September and both were 2x weekly


    As of now CLE's cuts are not just Sept, but the rest of the booking window. OTOH peer markets such as PIT and IND remain much more in tact.

    Can't say I'm surprised, CLE has been a blood bath for the ULCCs.
    FLYi
     
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    Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

    Mon Jul 20, 2020 6:54 pm

    flyPIT wrote:
    Midwestindy wrote:
    flyPIT wrote:

    As of now it looks like only PGD and SAV survive, everything else is gone. I imagine much of it is only seasonal cuts, although these seem deep.


    G4 normally shrinks into a ball in September, they only ran CLE-SAV/SRQ last September and both were 2x weekly


    As of now CLE's cuts are not just Sept, but the rest of the booking window. OTOH peer markets such as PIT and IND remain much more in tact.

    Can't say I'm surprised, CLE has been a blood bath for the ULCCs.


    Allegiant has always been highly seasonal in CLE. It would make sense they’d head here to trim routes first. PIT, IND, CVG are G4 bases — CLE is not. Nonetheless, Allegiant typically only runs 2 routes out of CLE through the fall/winter/early spring. Last season we were only left with SAV/SRQ until March.
     
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    Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

    Tue Jul 21, 2020 4:22 pm

    cleair wrote:
    Keep in mind. Right now:
    1. Ohioans, in general, and those in many other states, cannot go to NY, CT, and NJ without quarantining for 14 days - Kinda puts a damper on travel demand.
    2. Florida is a COVID hot mess right now and for the foreseeable future. This can't be helping travel demand either....



    I wish the city of Cleveland or Ohio would do the same for travelers from Florida. Frank Jackson probably doesn't have the political will to do that. But DeWine should....
     
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    Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

    Tue Jul 21, 2020 5:39 pm

    From the weekly OAG thread:
    B6 CLE-FLL JAN 0.1>0.7[1.0] FEB 0>1.1[1.0] MAR 0>0.9[1.0]
    B6 CLE-RSW JAN 0.3>0.9[0] FEB 0>1.1[0] MAR 0>0.9[0]

    This shows a greater than daily frequency during February, although I can't find the extra day at jetblue.com. Still, B6's signs of interest (and their new lash-up with AA) makes me think we might see CLE-LAX and CLE-JFK in the future on B6 instead of AA. B6 doesn't seem as frightened of NK (CLE-LAX) as others might be.

    The speculation about some version of a AA/B6/AS merger (with the Covid19 business panic being the justification used to overcome anti-trust objections) is probably WAY premature. For now, AA can probably "collude via press release" with B6 and AS well enough for scheduling and pricing action.
     
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    Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

    Tue Jul 21, 2020 5:42 pm

    greenair727 wrote:
    cleair wrote:
    Keep in mind. Right now:
    1. Ohioans, in general, and those in many other states, cannot go to NY, CT, and NJ without quarantining for 14 days - Kinda puts a damper on travel demand.
    2. Florida is a COVID hot mess right now and for the foreseeable future. This can't be helping travel demand either....



    I wish the city of Cleveland or Ohio would do the same for travelers from Florida. Frank Jackson probably doesn't have the political will to do that. But DeWine should....

    I think Ohio's numbers would have to come down quite a bit for that to make sense.
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    Tue Jul 21, 2020 6:01 pm

    masseybrown wrote:
    From the weekly OAG thread:
    B6 CLE-FLL JAN 0.1>0.7[1.0] FEB 0>1.1[1.0] MAR 0>0.9[1.0]
    B6 CLE-RSW JAN 0.3>0.9[0] FEB 0>1.1[0] MAR 0>0.9[0]

    This shows a greater than daily frequency during February, although I can't find the extra day at jetblue.com. Still, B6's signs of interest (and their new lash-up with AA) makes me think we might see CLE-LAX and CLE-JFK in the future on B6 instead of AA. B6 doesn't seem as frightened of NK (CLE-LAX) as others might be.

    The speculation about some version of a AA/B6/AS merger (with the Covid19 business panic being the justification used to overcome anti-trust objections) is probably WAY premature. For now, AA can probably "collude via press release" with B6 and AS well enough for scheduling and pricing action.


    From what I can see, this is a daily. Maybe the script under counted number of days. It remains to be seen whether CLE-RSW will launch. My guess is that JFK is quite likely at this point and LAX is reasonably likely in a couple of years.
     
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    Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

    Tue Jul 21, 2020 8:02 pm

    tphuang wrote:
    My guess is that JFK is quite likely at this point and LAX is reasonably likely in a couple of years.


    My guess is that UA will not bring back CLE-LAX ever; and B6 will see an opportunity by next summer. NK might keep a daily next summer, but F9's interest varies. B6 could do well against NK and probably keep F9 off the route completely.
     
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    Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

    Tue Jul 21, 2020 8:15 pm

    masseybrown wrote:
    tphuang wrote:
    My guess is that JFK is quite likely at this point and LAX is reasonably likely in a couple of years.


    My guess is that UA will not bring back CLE-LAX ever; and B6 will see an opportunity by next summer. NK might keep a daily next summer, but F9's interest varies. B6 could do well against NK and probably keep F9 off the route completely.


    CLE will probably be amongst the last designations B6 offers from LAX. That’s if it’s even ever offered. B6 isn’t that interested in CLE.
     
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    Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

    Tue Jul 21, 2020 8:35 pm

    cledaybuck wrote:
    greenair727 wrote:
    cleair wrote:
    Keep in mind. Right now:
    1. Ohioans, in general, and those in many other states, cannot go to NY, CT, and NJ without quarantining for 14 days - Kinda puts a damper on travel demand.
    2. Florida is a COVID hot mess right now and for the foreseeable future. This can't be helping travel demand either....



    I wish the city of Cleveland or Ohio would do the same for travelers from Florida. Frank Jackson probably doesn't have the political will to do that. But DeWine should....

    I think Ohio's numbers would have to come down quite a bit for that to make sense.


    How do you figure? In the last 7 days, Ohio has had 9,315 new cases. In that same time Florida has had 77,959. Based on population, FL new cases are about 4.5x higher than Ohio's in the past 7 days. If other states are doing activity like that, why should Ohioans pay the price (some with their life) of Florida's lack of leadership?
     
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    Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

    Tue Jul 21, 2020 10:15 pm

    I don’t think United will cut CLE-LAX... They’re not going to give up a hub market that pulls good loads all year and let Spirit have it to themselves. After all, they had originally scheduled 3x daily for the route this summer — it performs well.
     
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    Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

    Wed Jul 22, 2020 12:09 am

    CLE LAX makes no $$ for UA. Fares are low, loads are high.
     
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    Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

    Wed Jul 22, 2020 12:54 am

    I mean, United has operated the route 1-3x daily since 2012. If it lost money I imagine it would have been long gone by now. They have no commitment to CLE. Nonetheless, I’ll believe it when it’s taken out of their booking system and not from Anet talk. Folks have been talking about this route being cut forever.
     
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    Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

    Wed Jul 22, 2020 1:00 am

    Per the 6/10 post on the CLE website, UA was supposed to restart CLE-LAX on 7/5. Either that statement was in error or something changed. In my previous comment, I was wondering if the covid quarantine rule in NJ, NY, and CT nipped the NK service to EWR.
     
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    Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

    Wed Jul 22, 2020 1:05 am

    cleair wrote:
    Per the 6/10 post on the CLE website, UA was supposed to restart CLE-LAX on 7/5. Either that statement was in error or something changed. In my previous comment, I was wondering if the covid quarantine rule in NJ, NY, and CT nipped the NK service to EWR.


    They were never supposed to restart CLE-LAX on 7/5, they just hadn’t updated their schedule yet.

    For CLE-EWR route was not cut entirely, it was just suspended for the month of September.
     
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    Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

    Wed Jul 22, 2020 11:36 am

    avtcle wrote:
    I don’t think United will cut CLE-LAX... They’re not going to give up a hub market that pulls good loads all year and let Spirit have it to themselves. After all, they had originally scheduled 3x daily for the route this summer — it performs well.


    Agreed. UA could have cut this at anytime in the past decade, but they did not. Feeds the late evening TPAC and Australia routes well on UA and other carriers.
     
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    Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

    Wed Jul 22, 2020 6:59 pm

    greenair727 wrote:
    cledaybuck wrote:
    greenair727 wrote:


    I wish the city of Cleveland or Ohio would do the same for travelers from Florida. Frank Jackson probably doesn't have the political will to do that. But DeWine should....

    I think Ohio's numbers would have to come down quite a bit for that to make sense.


    How do you figure? In the last 7 days, Ohio has had 9,315 new cases. In that same time Florida has had 77,959. Based on population, FL new cases are about 4.5x higher than Ohio's in the past 7 days. If other states are doing activity like that, why should Ohioans pay the price (some with their life) of Florida's lack of leadership?

    Well, here you go (kind of).
    https://www.cleveland.com/news/2020/07/ ... igher.html
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    Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

    Thu Jul 23, 2020 12:32 am

    Some better news for a change: United recently extended CLE-RSW and CLE-FLL past April 2021. It appears, as of now, that both are scheduled to run daily, year-round. Their schedule is open through the end of June next year.
     
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    Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

    Thu Jul 23, 2020 1:07 pm

    United Airlines (GoJet) is to begin its first regularly scheduled CRJ550 flight into Cleveland beginning Tuesday, September 8. Will run daily as UA4389 CLE-ORD.
     
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    Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

    Thu Jul 23, 2020 4:43 pm

    A UA 739 flight into (Wed eve) and out of (Thurs night) BKL--a sports charter or something else?

    https://flightaware.com/live/flight/UAL ... /KSTL/KBKL
    https://flightaware.com/live/flight/UAL ... /KBKL/KORD
     
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    Thu Jul 23, 2020 4:49 pm

    The KC Royals are in Cleveland this weekend
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      Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

      Thu Jul 23, 2020 10:20 pm

      July 24, 2020 is the 60th anniversary of regularly scheduled jet service at Cleveland Hopkins International Airport by United Air Lines, followed a week later by American Airlines. Take a look at when “Jetmania” swept Cleveland with the arrival of the early jets. Please read and share my new article. Thanks!

      https://www.aviationcle.com/post/jetman ... nd-1960-65
       
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      Thu Jul 23, 2020 11:00 pm

      CLEguy - I love it. I keeping learning new stuff from you guys. I'm suprised that the first jets were 720's. I thought they were underpowered to the extent takeoffs on a 6400' main runway must have been a white knuckle event (even with water injection). Straight jet DC-8-15's to Pittsburgh and DC-8-40's to Toronto? Who knew. Can you imagine the noise in the West park neighborhoods?

      You made my day.
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        Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

        Thu Jul 23, 2020 11:15 pm

        CLEguy wrote:
        July 24, 2020 is the 60th anniversary of regularly scheduled jet service at Cleveland Hopkins International Airport by United Air Lines, followed a week later by American Airlines. Take a look at when “Jetmania” swept Cleveland with the arrival of the early jets. Please read and share my new article. Thanks!

        https://www.aviationcle.com/post/jetman ... nd-1960-65


        Very nice CLEguy. I had no idea of the TCA DC-8 flight.

        I'm looking forward to the next article!
         
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        Fri Jul 24, 2020 12:21 am

        https://www.aviationcle.com/post/jetman ... nd-1960-65

        Very much enjoyed, thank you.
         
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        Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

        Fri Jul 24, 2020 12:39 am

        MohawkWeekend wrote:
        CLEguy - I love it. I keeping learning new stuff from you guys. I'm suprised that the first jets were 720's. I thought they were underpowered to the extent takeoffs on a 6400' main runway must have been a white knuckle event (even with water injection). Straight jet DC-8-15's to Pittsburgh and DC-8-40's to Toronto? Who knew. Can you imagine the noise in the West park neighborhoods?

        You made my day.


        Good question about the B720s. From my research, they chose them because of the short runway length and switched to B707s and DC-8s only after 5R/23L was extended. I'm not sure I ever actually saw a B720, but if I did, I probably was too young know the difference between it and a B707.
         
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        Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

        Fri Jul 24, 2020 12:42 am

        chrisjake wrote:
        CLEguy wrote:
        July 24, 2020 is the 60th anniversary of regularly scheduled jet service at Cleveland Hopkins International Airport by United Air Lines, followed a week later by American Airlines. Take a look at when “Jetmania” swept Cleveland with the arrival of the early jets. Please read and share my new article. Thanks!

        https://www.aviationcle.com/post/jetman ... nd-1960-65


        Very nice CLEguy. I had no idea of the TCA DC-8 flight.

        I'm looking forward to the next article!


        Thank you! I didn't either. I'm finding out so much that I never knew about either as I've done my research. I have several story ideas in mind. It may take a while before the next article with pesky work getting in the way of aviation research!
         
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        Fri Jul 24, 2020 1:13 am

        Interesting that Cleveland had some of the earliest jet freighters too with flights to LAX. My guess is that in the Sixties, the Big 3 automakers still had assembly lines in California and parts were shipped there from the numerous GM/Fisher Body/Ford/Chrysler parts plants in the CLE area. AA must have had the contract because they had the largest airfreight warehouse. It still stands just to the east of 237 across from the current United Maintenance Hanger. It's a large yellow bldg.

        Folks may recall that the railroad ran across Snow Rd until they built the train bridge in the 70's. Each year a couple of folks would lose their lives at that crossing trying to run trains so they wouldn't miss their flights.
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          Fri Jul 24, 2020 1:32 am

          CLE has quite the cargo history. I can recall seeing cargo planes from American, United, Airlift, Air Canada, Zantop, Flying Tiger, Trans Continental (DC-6's!), SMB Stage Lines, Airborne, UPS, FedEx and I'm probably forgetting some. Those of you that have been in Cleveland for awhile might remember Flying Tiger bringing a 747 in 2x per year to move Shamu from Sea World here to San Diego for the winter.
           
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          Fri Jul 24, 2020 2:11 am

          The jet age history piece is great! Grew up in Fairview on W 210 south of Lorain and parallel to the old North-South runway. Great views and noise, so came my interest. Very young but can remember seeing my grandmother & cousin off to Europe on a TCA DC-8. AC itself scheduled the DC-8 from time to time. Still a kid, took a bad pic of one from the Brook Park Rd. fence. Far away and from rear as it faced south at the end of the "West" concourse. Probably in an old box or lost. Surprised on 365 daily flights in 1965 (assuming in and out combined) and 1962 TWA jet flights. First one I remember seeing was a Convair 880 in 1964 when it flew overhead during my Communion practice procession at St. Angela & traced it to an on-line TWA 1964 timetable. Anyway, a great history CLEguy. Thank You
           
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          Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

          Fri Jul 24, 2020 2:30 am

          Nicknuzzii wrote:
          masseybrown wrote:
          Trk1 wrote:
          Spirit has cut. Cle to Ewr


          There go the $25 round trips. :smile:


          That’s just for September. It will probably come back around November. The route attracted lots of pax in July.


          Out of curiosity, how do you find out the pax of flights? I am very curious about the performance of some routes.
           
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          Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

          Fri Jul 24, 2020 3:08 am

          joeman wrote:
          The jet age history piece is great! Grew up in Fairview on W 210 south of Lorain and parallel to the old North-South runway. Great views and noise, so came my interest. Very young but can remember seeing my grandmother & cousin off to Europe on a TCA DC-8. AC itself scheduled the DC-8 from time to time. Still a kid, took a bad pic of one from the Brook Park Rd. fence. Far away and from rear as it faced south at the end of the "West" concourse. Probably in an old box or lost. Surprised on 365 daily flights in 1965 (assuming in and out combined) and 1962 TWA jet flights. First one I remember seeing was a Convair 880 in 1964 when it flew overhead during my Communion practice procession at St. Angela & traced it to an on-line TWA 1964 timetable. Anyway, a great history CLEguy. Thank You


          Thanks for the complement and for sharing the memories. I went to school in Parma and loved when the winds shifted out of the West/Northwest so that they used Runway 28 (parallel to Brookpark Road). I'd watch planes land while on the playground at recess and point out the various jets as they landed. My friends though I was crazy!

          I was not sure TW ran regular Convair 880 flights out of CLE, so thanks for that tip.
           
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          Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

          Fri Jul 24, 2020 3:16 am

          ExpressJet is cutting 95 mechanic positions in Cleveland.
           
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          Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

          Fri Jul 24, 2020 5:14 pm

          CLEguy wrote:

          I was not sure TW ran regular Convair 880 flights out of CLE, so thanks for that tip.

          Check it out in the TWA June 1964 timetable, an 11:25pm CV-880 to IND and 11:10am to JFK:

          https://www.timetableimages.com/ttimage ... w64-09.jpg
           
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          Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

          Fri Jul 24, 2020 6:09 pm

          joeman wrote:
          CLEguy wrote:

          I was not sure TW ran regular Convair 880 flights out of CLE, so thanks for that tip.

          Check it out in the TWA June 1964 timetable, an 11:25pm CV-880 to IND and 11:10am to JFK:

          https://www.timetableimages.com/ttimage ... w64-09.jpg


          Thanks for finding this!
           
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          Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

          Sat Jul 25, 2020 12:25 am

          More CLE August flight cuts:

          AA now has cut MIA and frequency and aircraft size cuts to ORD,PHL and CLT. New total of 16 weekday flights
          expect more cuts from carriers to be loaded this week
           
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          Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

          Sat Jul 25, 2020 4:41 am

          Trk1 wrote:
          More CLE August flight cuts:

          AA now has cut MIA and frequency and aircraft size cuts to ORD,PHL and CLT. New total of 16 weekday flights
          expect more cuts from carriers to be loaded this week


          The market must be coming down to people who MUST fly for some reason or other. Which airline will be the first to raise fares? That has to come if demand is inelastic. It wasn't that long ago that 50% was the breakeven load.
           
          masseybrown
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          Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

          Mon Jul 27, 2020 7:33 pm

          CLE reported June numbers. 209K pax, down 78% YOY but up from 88K in May. Cargo at 14.3 million lbs was down only 2.8%

          More details at:
          https://www.clevelandairport.com/about-us/facts-figures
           
          greenair727
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          Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

          Thu Jul 30, 2020 3:35 am

          Newly announced FAA funding for Hopkins and Burke and Cleveland area airports:

          --Cleveland Hopkins International Airport: $15.2 million to construct taxiway
          --Burke Lakefront Airport: $94,745 to rehabilitate taxiway
          --Akron-Canton Regional Airport: $1.133 million for snow removal equipment, constructing service road, install miscellaneous NAVAIDS, rehabilitate apron, rehabilitate taxi lane, rehabilitate taxiway, rehabilitate taxiway lighting
          --Put-in-Bay Airport: $124,800 to acquire snow removal equipment
          --Ravenna/Portage County Airport: $76,724 for obstructions marking/lighting/removal
           
          MohawkWeekend
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          Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

          Fri Jul 31, 2020 12:08 am

          How is CLE doing compared to our neighbors in IND, PIT, CMH and CVG? Also was visiting my daughter in Tremont around 1 pm this afternoon and saw what looked like a C-17 being refueled by a C-135. They looked to be at around 20,000 feet south bound. Anyone else catch?
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            greenair727
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            Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

            Fri Jul 31, 2020 2:09 am

            Someone was refueling a plane over the city of Cleveland? Why would such a thing be necessary? And if for training why here and over a populated area?

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