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LifetimeGS
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Jul 31, 2020 2:14 am

UA chose to dump Express Jet, any idea the total number of staff at CLE? CLE would have lost either way with Commut Air based in North Olmsted.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Jul 31, 2020 2:48 am

When I was a kid. I recall seeing a KC-97 refueling a F-100 over Parma. Would have been around 1966 or so. Of course, I also remember the sonic booms from the B-58's when they were doing their speed runs cross country. Used to scare the beejees out of the cat.
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    Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

    Fri Jul 31, 2020 1:02 pm

    LifetimeGS wrote:
    UA chose to dump Express Jet, any idea the total number of staff at CLE? CLE would have lost either way with Commut Air based in North Olmsted.


    While ExpressJet does have time to secure another contract, that’s unlikely. They’ll be the largest airline to have closed in the U.S. due to Covid-19 - if they do. Perhaps if CommutAir grows post pandemic they will take advantage of the empty maintenance hangers ExpressJet left behind. They do have their HQ in North Olmsted, as you noted.
     
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    Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

    Fri Jul 31, 2020 3:19 pm

    avtcle wrote:
    LifetimeGS wrote:
    UA chose to dump Express Jet, any idea the total number of staff at CLE? CLE would have lost either way with Commut Air based in North Olmsted.


    While ExpressJet does have time to secure another contract, that’s unlikely. They’ll be the largest airline to have closed in the U.S. due to Covid-19 - if they do. Perhaps if CommutAir grows post pandemic they will take advantage of the empty maintenance hangers ExpressJet left behind. They do have their HQ in North Olmsted, as you noted.


    The Expressjet CLE mx operation also did all the heavy checks for Expressjet, another argument for CommutAir to take over the operation. Maybe those 95 folks recently laid off will be getting an offer. :smile:
     
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    Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

    Sat Aug 01, 2020 2:25 pm

    United September Cleveland Schedule
    ORD. 4. (1 mainline)
    DEN. 2. (2 mainline)
    IAD. 2
    IAH. 2
    EWR. 2. (2 mainline)
    SFO. 1. (1 mainline)
     
    Trk1
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    Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

    Sun Aug 02, 2020 3:53 pm

    United ferrying 737 aircraft out of Cleveland this afternoon to Hubs for increased August schedule that starts on 8/3
    4 to Denver
    1 to Houston
    2 to Newark
     
    Trk1
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    Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

    Mon Aug 03, 2020 3:10 pm

    September Cleveland Hopkins Weekday Seat Count and flight count for the 4 majors:

    Delta. 17 flights. 1526 available seats. (1764- blocked seats)
    United. 13 flights. 1474 available seats
    American. 14 flights. 1322 available seats
    Southwest 11 flights. 1193 available seats. (1701- blocked seats )
     
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    CLEguy
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    Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

    Thu Aug 06, 2020 1:21 pm

    Rather grim predictions from Dir. Kennedy-only about 4.1 million passengers at CLE this year; no full recovery for 3-4 years.Master planning still underway.

    https://www.cleveland.com/cityhall/2020 ... -says.html
     
    masseybrown
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    Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

    Thu Aug 06, 2020 3:54 pm

    Looks like Southwest is dropping to 7 weekday flights in September, according to overnight sked changes. September is typically the weakest fall month.

    BWI - 2
    BNA - 2
    MDW - 2
    DEN - 1
     
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    Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

    Thu Aug 06, 2020 8:14 pm

    It would take guts but this would be the time to start the new terminal. Especially if there is an infrastructure stimulus package.
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      Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

      Thu Aug 06, 2020 9:15 pm

      MohawkWeekend wrote:
      It would take guts but this would be the time to start the new terminal. Especially if there is an infrastructure stimulus package.


      100% agree. Finish when demand comes back. Trump stimulus $ has to be available these days and these are the types of projects he likes.
       
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      CLEguy
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      Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

      Thu Aug 06, 2020 9:21 pm

      MohawkWeekend wrote:
      It would take guts but this would be the time to start the new terminal. Especially if there is an infrastructure stimulus package.


      You're absolutely right! It's time to go big and build for the future.
       
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      Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

      Thu Aug 06, 2020 9:27 pm

      Not confirmed, Trump to use BKL today 5:05PM arrival and approx. 8PM departure. Can anyone confirm? Must be using a 757. I think he was in MI this afternoon.
       
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      Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

      Fri Aug 07, 2020 1:42 am

      ^Does Air Force 1 show up in flightaware? I just checked it for those times, but don't see anything.
       
      swacle
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      Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

      Fri Aug 07, 2020 2:04 am

      He landed at BKL at about 1315, not sure when he left.
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      phy576
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      Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

      Fri Aug 07, 2020 2:24 am

      Why is there a Delta flight from Detroit to BKL today? It's a 757. It landed around 8, and seems headed to Milwaukee around 11. Is this a chartered Trump campaign flight for DL?
       
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      Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

      Fri Aug 07, 2020 3:24 am

      phy576 wrote:
      Why is there a Delta flight from Detroit to BKL today? It's a 757. It landed around 8, and seems headed to Milwaukee around 11. Is this a chartered Trump campaign flight for DL?


      Its taking the Cincinnati Reds to Milwaukee for their next series.
       
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      Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

      Fri Aug 07, 2020 5:17 am

      greenair727 wrote:
      ^Does Air Force 1 show up in flightaware? I just checked it for those times, but don't see anything.

      Negative but it does show up on the OpenADSB app. It’s a paid app but well worth it for avgeeks.
       
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      Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

      Fri Aug 07, 2020 12:28 pm

      I picked up my dad yesterday from a flight at around 10:45 PM. Holy cats, was it a madhouse at arrivals... I picked him up at departures instead. I didn't know there were that many flights... and if there are, they all seem to arrive at the same time!
       
      fun2fly
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      Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

      Fri Aug 07, 2020 12:48 pm

      Trump at BKL. Glad it's getting some use!

      https://www.cleveland.com/open/2020/08/ ... event.html
       
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      Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

      Fri Aug 07, 2020 5:07 pm

      737MAX7 wrote:
      greenair727 wrote:
      ^Does Air Force 1 show up in flightaware? I just checked it for those times, but don't see anything.

      Negative but it does show up on the OpenADSB app. It’s a paid app but well worth it for avgeeks.


      Thanks. Is that for iphones only? Is there an equivalent for android? I see "ADSB Flight Tracker" for android but not with "Open" in front of the name.
       
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      Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

      Fri Aug 07, 2020 5:40 pm

      fun2fly wrote:
      Trump at BKL. Glad it's getting some use!

      https://www.cleveland.com/open/2020/08/ ... event.html


      From looking at FlightRadar and FlightAware, I get the impression that ops have roughly doubled at BKL and CGF in since April. I don't have any official numbers, though.
       
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      Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

      Fri Aug 07, 2020 6:03 pm

      greenair727 wrote:
      737MAX7 wrote:
      greenair727 wrote:
      ^Does Air Force 1 show up in flightaware? I just checked it for those times, but don't see anything.

      Negative but it does show up on the OpenADSB app. It’s a paid app but well worth it for avgeeks.


      Thanks. Is that for iphones only? Is there an equivalent for android? I see "ADSB Flight Tracker" for android but not with "Open" in front of the name.

      Now that you mention it I believe it is iphone only. It’s not nearly as efficient but you can also use adsbexchange.com. Go in and change the filters to military only and it should show up.
       
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      Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

      Fri Aug 07, 2020 11:01 pm

      ^Thanks--will check it out.
       
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      Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

      Sun Aug 09, 2020 11:47 pm

      How much inter-operations/cooperation is there between the Cleveland Clinic and the Mayo Clinic? I assume they are competitors, but also collaborate on some things? There's another thread here on a.net that says a new route announcement tomorrow for Rochester, MN's airport (I didn't even know they had an airport), but an "inter-Clinic" flight idea got me wondering. Would love to see a Rochester, MN-BKL flight.

      Here's the other thread: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1450129&p=22363333
       
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      Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

      Mon Aug 10, 2020 12:18 am

      The flight is a new United flight from Rochester to Denver starting Oct 1
       
      greenair727
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      Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

      Mon Aug 10, 2020 2:37 am

      ^Thanks. But now my original curiosity stands--how much inter-operations/cooperation is there between the CLE and Mayo Clinics? (Not directly an av topic, but may be depending on the answer.)
       
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      Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

      Wed Aug 12, 2020 5:04 pm

      https://twitter.com/goingplacescle/stat ... 59333?s=21

      Are we about to get a new route/routes from United? Not what I thought 2020 would have in store. I guess we’ll find out at 4:15 EST!
       
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      Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

      Wed Aug 12, 2020 5:06 pm

      double post//disregard
       
      zelegp
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      Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

      Wed Aug 12, 2020 5:16 pm

      I’ve been scratching my head trying to figure out what it could be. They mentioned on Twitter it’s new routes, not resumptions so that eliminates UA making a big deal about resuming MCO, FLL, RSW and TPA.

      Unless it’s an announcement that they are going to year round on FLL which I’d still argue isn’t a new route.

      Wishful thinking: UA relaunches CLE-BOS but I doubt that.
       
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      Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

      Wed Aug 12, 2020 6:57 pm

      greenair727 wrote:
      How much inter-operations/cooperation is there between the Cleveland Clinic and the Mayo Clinic?


      Dunno about Mayo, but there's a good bit between the Clinic and Johns Hopkins - several joint rsearch grants.
       
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      Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

      Wed Aug 12, 2020 8:26 pm

      zelegp wrote:
      I’ve been scratching my head trying to figure out what it could be. They mentioned on Twitter it’s new routes, not resumptions so that eliminates UA making a big deal about resuming MCO, FLL, RSW and TPA.

      Unless it’s an announcement that they are going to year round on FLL which I’d still argue isn’t a new route.


      Today's UA announcement is increased nonstop service to FLL, RSW, and MCO from CLE and resumption of CLE-TPA nonstop service, which can be found at https://hub.united.com/2020-08-12-adjusting-to-customer-demand-united-adds-new-nonstop-service-to-florida-2646962841.html.
       
      zelegp
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      Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

      Wed Aug 12, 2020 8:46 pm

      jplatts wrote:
      zelegp wrote:
      I’ve been scratching my head trying to figure out what it could be. They mentioned on Twitter it’s new routes, not resumptions so that eliminates UA making a big deal about resuming MCO, FLL, RSW and TPA.

      Unless it’s an announcement that they are going to year round on FLL which I’d still argue isn’t a new route.


      Today's UA announcement is increased nonstop service to FLL, RSW, and MCO from CLE and resumption of CLE-TPA nonstop service, which can be found at https://hub.united.com/2020-08-12-adjusting-to-customer-demand-united-adds-new-nonstop-service-to-florida-2646962841.html.


      We already had CLE-TPA, just was served on UAX on Saturdays. I'll still take the new adds with a smile, plus they're all on a 738. All legs are nicely timed too, especially the returns.
       
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      Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

      Fri Aug 14, 2020 4:45 pm

      WN's addition of weekend Florida flying (7 flights to Florida on Sat and 1 on Sunday) while leaving non-Florida schedules basically unchanged in their latest schedule extension was disappointing. But maybe changes to other routes with a bigger business component will be addressed closer in. Business flying prediction is anyone's guess at the present.
       
      greenair727
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      Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

      Sat Aug 15, 2020 1:52 am

      HMSHost permanently laying off 44 workers at Hopkins.

      https://www.bizjournals.com/cleveland/n ... d-hop.html
       
      masseybrown
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      Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

      Tue Aug 18, 2020 3:07 pm

      CLE put out July numbers. Total pax 320,806, up 53% from 209,032 in June but down from 970,804 last July. Cargo continues to soar: 8,286 tons up from 7,163 tons in June and up from 7,128 tons last July. I wonder if that cargo number is some kind of record.

      https://www.clevelandairport.com/about-us/facts-figures
       
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      Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

      Tue Aug 18, 2020 3:11 pm

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      greenair727
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      Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

      Tue Aug 18, 2020 3:13 pm

      ^Yeah, that cargo number is pretty amazing given the current environment.
       
      avtcle
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      Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

      Thu Aug 20, 2020 10:15 pm

      Cleveland load factors 2020-04

      United Airlines
      CLE-MCO: 5%
      CLE-RSW: 7%
      CLE-FLL: 3%
      CLE-EWR: 9%
      CLE-ORD: 10%
      CLE-DEN: 12%
      CLE-IAD: 9%
      CLE-IAH: 12%
      CLE-SFO: 11%

      Frontier Airlines
      CLE-MCO: 22%
      CLE-PUJ: 52% (2020-01)

      Southwest Airlines
      *ran nearly their full schedule out of CLE in April
      CLE-MCO: 3%
      CLE-RSW: 6%
      CLE-FLL: 1%
      CLE-MKE: 2%
      CLE-ATL: 5%
      CLE-LAS: 5%
      CLE-MDW: 7%
      CLE-DEN: 6%
      CLE-PHX: 8%
      CLE-BNA: 5%
      CLE-STL: 7%
      CLE-BWI: 5%
      CLE-TPA: 7%

      Spirit Airlines
      CLE-MCO: 13%
      CLE-RSW: 5%
      CLE-FLL: 5%
      CLE-LAX: 17%
      CLE-ATL: 23%
      CLE-LAS: 13%
      CLE-TPA: 8%

      Allegiant Air:
      CLE-SRQ: 23%


      Delta Airlines
      CLE-ATL: 20%
      CLE-LGA: 2%
      CLE-BOS: 4%
      CLE-SLC: 11%
      CLE-MSP: 13%
      CLE-DTW: 16%

      JetBlue Airways
      CLE-FLL: 16%
      CLE-BOS: 7%

      American Airlines
      CLE-MIA: 17%
      CLE-DFW: 19%
      CLE-ORD: 15%
      CLE-DCA: 7%
      CLE-PHL: 9%

      Air Canada
      CLE-YYZ: 48% (2020-01)
       
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      Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

      Thu Aug 20, 2020 11:14 pm

      fun2fly wrote:
      MohawkWeekend wrote:
      It would take guts but this would be the time to start the new terminal. Especially if there is an infrastructure stimulus package.


      100% agree. Finish when demand comes back. Trump stimulus $ has to be available these days and these are the types of projects he likes.

      What Trump stimulus money?
      As we celebrate mediocrity, all the boys upstairs want to see, how much you'll pay for what you used to get for free.
       
      cledaybuck
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      Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

      Thu Aug 20, 2020 11:15 pm

      avtcle wrote:
      Cleveland load factors 2020-04

      United Airlines
      CLE-MCO: 5%
      CLE-RSW: 7%
      CLE-FLL: 3%
      CLE-EWR: 9%
      CLE-ORD: 10%
      CLE-DEN: 12%
      CLE-IAD: 9%
      CLE-IAH: 12%
      CLE-SFO: 11%

      Frontier Airlines
      CLE-MCO: 22%
      CLE-PUJ: 52% (2020-01)

      Southwest Airlines
      *ran nearly their full schedule out of CLE in April
      CLE-MCO: 3%
      CLE-RSW: 6%
      CLE-FLL: 1%
      CLE-MKE: 2%
      CLE-ATL: 5%
      CLE-LAS: 5%
      CLE-MDW: 7%
      CLE-DEN: 6%
      CLE-PHX: 8%
      CLE-BNA: 5%
      CLE-STL: 7%
      CLE-BWI: 5%
      CLE-TPA: 7%

      Spirit Airlines
      CLE-MCO: 13%
      CLE-RSW: 5%
      CLE-FLL: 5%
      CLE-LAX: 17%
      CLE-ATL: 23%
      CLE-LAS: 13%
      CLE-TPA: 8%

      Allegiant Air:
      CLE-SRQ: 23%


      Delta Airlines
      CLE-ATL: 20%
      CLE-LGA: 2%
      CLE-BOS: 4%
      CLE-SLC: 11%
      CLE-MSP: 13%
      CLE-DTW: 16%

      JetBlue Airways
      CLE-FLL: 16%
      CLE-BOS: 7%

      American Airlines
      CLE-MIA: 17%
      CLE-DFW: 19%
      CLE-ORD: 15%
      CLE-DCA: 7%
      CLE-PHL: 9%

      Air Canada
      CLE-YYZ: 48% (2020-01)

      Wow. That’s brutal.
      As we celebrate mediocrity, all the boys upstairs want to see, how much you'll pay for what you used to get for free.
       
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      Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

      Fri Aug 21, 2020 12:28 am

      cledaybuck wrote:
      fun2fly wrote:
      MohawkWeekend wrote:
      It would take guts but this would be the time to start the new terminal. Especially if there is an infrastructure stimulus package.


      100% agree. Finish when demand comes back. Trump stimulus $ has to be available these days and these are the types of projects he likes.

      What Trump stimulus money?


      We do realize that the president does not allocate nor control federal money, right?
       
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      Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

      Fri Aug 21, 2020 1:16 am

      N766UA wrote:
      cledaybuck wrote:
      fun2fly wrote:

      100% agree. Finish when demand comes back. Trump stimulus $ has to be available these days and these are the types of projects he likes.

      What Trump stimulus money?


      We do realize that the president does not allocate nor control federal money, right?

      Yes. Does somebody want to tell him that?

      I all seriousness, is there anything in any of the covid relief bills for doing something like airport construction? As far as I am aware, there is not.
      As we celebrate mediocrity, all the boys upstairs want to see, how much you'll pay for what you used to get for free.
       
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      Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

      Fri Aug 21, 2020 3:05 am

      Haven't flown the big 3 in awhile. Checking into a 1 way flight from a small place in Virginia to CLE on August 31. AA is offering $408 for nonstop CLT-CLE, but is offering $127 for leaving a closer airport, Charlottesville, and connect in CLT for the CLE leg for $127...interesting.
       
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      Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

      Fri Aug 21, 2020 4:57 am

      joeman wrote:
      Haven't flown the big 3 in awhile. Checking into a 1 way flight from a small place in Virginia to CLE on August 31. AA is offering $408 for nonstop CLT-CLE, but is offering $127 for leaving a closer airport, Charlottesville, and connect in CLT for the CLE leg for $127...interesting.


      Maybe that's to keep people from driving to Dulles. UA is offering $187 r/t IAD-CLE most days. Charlottesville to Dulles is a pretty nice drive on country roads. :)
       
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      Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

      Fri Aug 21, 2020 12:42 pm

      cledaybuck wrote:
      N766UA wrote:
      cledaybuck wrote:
      What Trump stimulus money?


      We do realize that the president does not allocate nor control federal money, right?

      Yes. Does somebody want to tell him that?

      I all seriousness, is there anything in any of the covid relief bills for doing something like airport construction? As far as I am aware, there is not.


      OK, guys, that's enough belittling - it's not that far fetched. The Cares act offered $10bn relief for airports over 10,000 annual pax. annually to weather the storm. So, there's that precedent.

      The President has stated on many occasions his desire to put together an infrastructure package, both before and after Congress. He has also stated his disdain for US airports that lag the rest of the world in efficiency and experience. My guess is that we won't see that until after the election based on the current stalemate.

      Here's a Fortune article to further support some of the thinking I suggested regarding infrastructure spending:

      https://fortune.com/2020/08/04/second-s ... structure/
       
      greenair727
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      Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

      Fri Aug 21, 2020 4:59 pm

      ^Stimulus funding for infrastructure as a concept is real and it was done in the '08 recession. I think people are reacting to your calling it "Trump stimulus money" because even though--as you state--he promised billions and billions in infrastructure in the '16 election, he's been president now for 3.5 years and hasn't done anything for infrastructure. We won't see any real leadership on infrastructure in the US until we get a competent president in the White House. While that could be almost anyone other than Trump, Biden really does have a plan and vision for infrastructure, including airports.
       
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      Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

      Fri Aug 21, 2020 6:26 pm

      cledaybuck wrote:
      N766UA wrote:
      cledaybuck wrote:
      What Trump stimulus money?


      We do realize that the president does not allocate nor control federal money, right?

      Yes. Does somebody want to tell him that?


      LOL touche.
       
      joeman
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      Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

      Fri Aug 21, 2020 10:35 pm

      masseybrown wrote:
      joeman wrote:
      Haven't flown the big 3 in awhile. Checking into a 1 way flight from a small place in Virginia to CLE on August 31. AA is offering $408 for nonstop CLT-CLE, but is offering $127 for leaving a closer airport, Charlottesville, and connect in CLT for the CLE leg for $127...interesting.


      Maybe that's to keep people from driving to Dulles. UA is offering $187 r/t IAD-CLE most days. Charlottesville to Dulles is a pretty nice drive on country roads. :)

      That was the original idea!!!
       
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      Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

      Thu Aug 27, 2020 7:55 pm

      Grasping at straws for some good news: US passenger traffic for July was down 75%; CLE traffic was down *only* 66%.

      https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/air-p ... r-BB17MZLS
      https://www.clevelandairport.com/about-us/facts-figures

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      Aircraft Cabins Passenger cabin shots showing seat arrangements as well as cargo aircraft interior

      Cargo Aircraft Pictures of great freighter aircraft

      Government Aircraft Aircraft flying government officials

      Helicopters Our large helicopter section. Both military and civil versions

      Blimps / Airships Everything from the Goodyear blimp to the Zeppelin

      Night Photos Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon

      Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

      Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

      Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

      Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

      Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos