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greenair727
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 30, 2020 6:10 pm

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The airport updated their website data for 2019. We know about the pax numbers passing 10 million; the other great news is cargo. The Dec total was up just 5.0%, but that hides the fact emplaned cargo was up 10.56%, while deplaned cargo was up only 0.16% - which points to the continued growing strength of the Cleveland economy. Area 'exports' are growing much faster than 'imports'.


That's great to hear. Is that cargo data above for Dec or for all of 2019?
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 30, 2020 7:59 pm

greenair727 wrote:
masseybrown wrote:
The airport updated their website data for 2019. We know about the pax numbers passing 10 million; the other great news is cargo. The Dec total was up just 5.0%, but that hides the fact emplaned cargo was up 10.56%, while deplaned cargo was up only 0.16% - which points to the continued growing strength of the Cleveland economy. Area 'exports' are growing much faster than 'imports'.


That's great to hear. Is that cargo data above for Dec or for all of 2019?


December only. The trend has been true all year but the rate was increasing into the final month. For the whole year, CLE shrank its 'trade deficit' by a million pounds, from 7 million to 6 million pounds. For December only, it was cut from 1.1 million to about 300K pounds, close to a balance.

Probably easier for people to look at the numbers themselves than for me to explain them, :smile:
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 30, 2020 8:26 pm

“A spokesman for Frontier said the carrier has increases planned for Cleveland, as well, including adding 50% more seats this summer to Orlando, Fort Myers and Charleston, S.C.“

Hopefully that’s not all they have planned... If so, they may have a net loss in seats for summer 2020, with SRQ going seasonal and SAN supposedly gone. The MCO additions do appear to be a market response, as previously their summer schedule indicated 10x weekly to MCO -- now it is bookable at 2x daily.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.clevel ... utType=amp
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 30, 2020 10:32 pm

I wonder if UA is long for this world flying CLE to FL (FLL/RSW/MCO). . . . I can't see UA wanting to be caught in a war between F9 and NK. I used to think B6 would be the first casualty, but given UA's pullout to BOS/DCA/LGA, I now think it will be UA instead.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 30, 2020 10:36 pm

United doesn’t really have any reason to get rid of the Florida routes. Fares are relatively high, loads are really good.

They just extended the season and added additional weekend flights for FLL/RSW/TPA so I don’t think they’re looking at getting rid of those anytime soon. CLE-MCO isn’t going anywhere. That route is insanely popular.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Jan 31, 2020 3:47 am

The 6th confirmed US case of Coronavirus is the husband of infected woman who returned to Chicago from Wuhan. Apparently he was just in Cleveland. Did he fly to/from here, Chicago-Cleveland? Does the US--and other non-China countries--need to limit domestic travel as well?

"...Ohio Department of Health spokeswoman Melanie Amato confirmed to 19 News that the husband was recently in Cleveland, but he did not show coronavirus-like symptoms during his time in the city.....Amato could not immediately provide a timetable of his stay in Cleveland, and could not confirm whether or not he was contagious."

https://www.cleveland19.com/2020/01/31/ ... cleveland/
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Jan 31, 2020 1:26 pm

avtcle wrote:
United doesn’t really have any reason to get rid of the Florida routes. Fares are relatively high, loads are really good.

They just extended the season and added additional weekend flights for FLL/RSW/TPA so I don’t think they’re looking at getting rid of those anytime soon. CLE-MCO isn’t going anywhere. That route is insanely popular.


Occasionally, there will be connections offered via United's booking... back when they still operated the CLE/BOS route, my friend in Boston ended up booking an award flight to MCO that connected in Cleveland that cost him less miles than his other choices. But that was back then.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Jan 31, 2020 1:37 pm

Yes^ connections from LGA/DCA are also offered.

DCA/LGA—CLE—MCO
DCA/LGA—CLE—RSW

I don’t think these connection offerings have any large, if any, material effect on loads, being that anyone flying out of LGA/DCA area to Florida on United can easily get a nonstop out of EWR/IAD, or fly American or Delta to Florida nonstop from LGA/DCA.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Jan 31, 2020 2:13 pm

Spirit adds CLE-CUN eff 14Feb, 4x weekly.

Also, Additional daily flights to FLL, MCO, LAS and MYR.

http://ir.spirit.com/file/Index?KeyFile=402528013
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Jan 31, 2020 2:48 pm

greenair727 wrote:
The 6th confirmed US case of Coronavirus is the husband of infected woman who returned to Chicago from Wuhan. Apparently he was just in Cleveland. Did he fly to/from here, Chicago-Cleveland? Does the US--and other non-China countries--need to limit domestic travel as well?

"...Ohio Department of Health spokeswoman Melanie Amato confirmed to 19 News that the husband was recently in Cleveland, but he did not show coronavirus-like symptoms during his time in the city.....Amato could not immediately provide a timetable of his stay in Cleveland, and could not confirm whether or not he was contagious."

https://www.cleveland19.com/2020/01/31/ ... cleveland/


I heard on WCPN this morning that he flew from Chicago to Cleveland on January 14. I also flew ORD-CLE that evening! Hope he wasn't on my flight! No further details of his travel were provided.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Jan 31, 2020 8:44 pm

^In further digging, I heard:

--His wife returned to chicago on 13Jan WITH symptoms
--He traveled to CLE on 14Jan (so he was likely already exposed)
--Some say--I don't think its known for sure--it takes 2-14 days for incubation. If this is accurate then he wouldn't have been contagious til 15Jan at the earliest. If all these points are accurate, then you/CLE should be okay---at least from this one guy. Who knows who else is walking around CLE right now carrying it.....
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Feb 01, 2020 3:55 am

DHL has doubled the size of their facility near CLE:
https://www.crainscleveland.com/transportation/dhl-express-invests-38-million-cleveland-operation

Unfortunately this appears to be a ground side facility only. I don't believe DHL has flights to CLE due to its proximity to CVG but it is nice to see the continued surge in e-commerce.
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Feb 01, 2020 5:57 am

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United doesn’t really have any reason to get rid of the Florida routes. Fares are relatively high, loads are really good.


You've contradicted yourself. "Loads" mean nothing. It's all about yield. "Relatively high" doesn't sound that great. With the Max parked indefinitely, lower yielding non-hub flights will be the first to go. Being the high cost carrier in a market with yield pressure doesn't bode well. Those planes will make more money elsewhere.
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Feb 01, 2020 6:49 am

According to a UA pilot, Kirby at SFO employee meeting said CLE flying will be hubs-only, probably at the end of summer. No more Florida, not sure about LAX.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Feb 01, 2020 6:55 am

Oh well. If that does happen to be the case there’s plenty of other service to those cities. I don’t imagine it is the case, as United is expanding service to FLL/MCO/RSW/TPA and extending the season for all of them through May 30th — 2 months longer than last season. I would also doubt Kirby is sharing unpublished network plans with pilots or other employees at SFO.

In other news, Cleveland Hopkins released this statement on Twitter: “Our friends at American Airlines have advised us of newly upgraded service from CLE to New York LaGuardia starting June 4th. Tickets on sale starting tomorrow! More information to come!“
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Feb 01, 2020 11:23 am

The writing was on the wall for FL with the cutback to LGA and DCA. Why the heck keep low yield FL going with brutal, rapidly expanding competition from F9 and NK when they aren’t willing to keep service alive to major business centers. I hope they keep LAX but the story down the turnpike with pathetic PIT LAX service shows nothing is sacred.

It’ll be interesting if UA gives up gates. Other airlines could use them.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Feb 01, 2020 12:47 pm

avtcle wrote:
In other news, Cleveland Hopkins released this statement on Twitter: “Our friends at American Airlines have advised us of newly upgraded service from CLE to New York LaGuardia starting June 4th. Tickets on sale starting tomorrow! More information to come!“


Currently 4x ERJ140 for 176 pax daily for reference. Let's see what they add.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Feb 01, 2020 1:24 pm

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The writing was on the wall for FL with the cutback to LGA and DCA. Why the heck keep low yield FL going with brutal, rapidly expanding competition from F9 and NK when they aren’t willing to keep service alive to major business centers. I hope they keep LAX but the story down the turnpike with pathetic PIT LAX service shows nothing is sacred.

It’ll be interesting if UA gives up gates. Other airlines could use them.

If they do give up the P2P flying, I wonder how long the UA Club will remain, I’d hate to see it go, but Its becoming a pretty small station....

The only argument I see for UAL keeping the FL routes is maintenance, if they’re considering the flying utilization flying, it’s a lower threshold for profitability and gives them a few more options to route aircraft into the maintenance base.
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Feb 01, 2020 2:14 pm

I’m would guess that the AA increase would be some mainline flights... An announcement for more regional flights really isn’t something to make an announcement about. I doubt it could be more frequencies as AA is already slot restricted there. ^^
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Feb 01, 2020 3:00 pm

fun2fly wrote:
avtcle wrote:
In other news, Cleveland Hopkins released this statement on Twitter: “Our friends at American Airlines have advised us of newly upgraded service from CLE to New York LaGuardia starting June 4th. Tickets on sale starting tomorrow! More information to come!“


Currently 4x ERJ140 for 176 pax daily for reference. Let's see what they add.


Let's keep an eye on fares also. Currently AA offers June roundtrips to LGA for $297 (abut 36 cents a mile) and to DCA $259 (about 42 cents a mile). Fares are cheaper on dates closer in.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Feb 01, 2020 5:14 pm

It’s occurring to me that NK and F9 are adding so many seats precisely because 1)they have new planes to put to use and more importantly 2) they aren’t seeing a lot of conviction from UA to fight for their market share in CLE (or for WN to add anything)…
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Feb 01, 2020 7:56 pm

fun2fly wrote:
avtcle wrote:
In other news, Cleveland Hopkins released this statement on Twitter: “Our friends at American Airlines have advised us of newly upgraded service from CLE to New York LaGuardia starting June 4th. Tickets on sale starting tomorrow! More information to come!“


Currently 4x ERJ140 for 176 pax daily for reference. Let's see what they add.


I just picked a few random dates in summer and do not see any changes to the aircraft scheduled.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Feb 02, 2020 2:49 am

So UA flights to just EWR, IAD, ORD, IAH and SFO? Maybe 4 gates at the most?
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    Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

    Sun Feb 02, 2020 2:51 am

    Forgot DEN
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      Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

      Sun Feb 02, 2020 3:32 am

      Either CLE had the wrong date for the schedule adjustment or American forgot because it’s getting a little late... :?
       
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      Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

      Sun Feb 02, 2020 7:00 am

      AA CLE-LGA schedule change loaded:

      Switch from 4x daily E140 — 200 daily seats

      Switch to 4x daily E175 — 304 daily seats

      Net gain of 104 daily seats from CLE-LGA
       
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      Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

      Sun Feb 02, 2020 12:33 pm

      avtcle wrote:
      AA CLE-LGA schedule change loaded:

      Switch from 4x daily E140 — 200 daily seats

      Switch to 4x daily E175 — 304 daily seats

      Net gain of 104 daily seats from CLE-LGA

      It looks like the equipment change is loaded through laborday/just after, come fall it reverts back to the e140. Oddly enough, through the summer, the JFK flights also appear 2x daily on e140s, so we’ll see if they fall victim to the rolling max cuts or not, could be quite a jump in NYC capacity.

      Small correction, the e140 only has 44 seats, so it’s a change from 176 seats daily to 304.
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      Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

      Sun Feb 02, 2020 12:39 pm

      By comparison:

      Columbus 4 50 seaters CRJ and E140, 2E175 total 352 seats. Identical capacity on Delta.

      Pittsburgh 6 50 seaters 2E175 total 452 seats. PIT has one more flight on Delta.

      We will see if Delta does anything.

      I imagine Dca is taking longer for AA because they want to add slots.
       
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      Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

      Sun Feb 02, 2020 12:54 pm

      ncflyer wrote:
      By comparison:

      Columbus 4 50 seaters CRJ and E140, 2E175 total 352 seats. Identical capacity on Delta.

      Pittsburgh 6 50 seaters 2E175 total 452 seats. PIT has one more flight on Delta.

      We will see if Delta does anything.

      I imagine Dca is taking longer for AA because they want to add slots.

      DL might add a lga but they’re already 6x to LGA and 4X to JFK during the summer on CR9s, they could upgrade to e170s as well but I believe seat count would be roughly the same. I suppose they could add a a220 or 717 to the schedule, but that seems like a huge capacity upgrade..

      RE DCA- curious if they do anything here since they don’t have a direct competitor to DCA, also, there is a facilities challenge on the DCA side until the new gates opened, it’s not just slots, but gate space for an e170 unless they move it off another route.
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      Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

      Sun Feb 02, 2020 3:14 pm

      HPAEAA wrote:
      avtcle wrote:
      AA CLE-LGA schedule change loaded:

      Switch from 4x daily E140 — 200 daily seats

      Switch to 4x daily E175 — 304 daily seats

      Net gain of 104 daily seats from CLE-LGA

      It looks like the equipment change is loaded through laborday/just after, come fall it reverts back to the e140. Oddly enough, through the summer, the JFK flights also appear 2x daily on e140s, so we’ll see if they fall victim to the rolling max cuts or not, could be quite a jump in NYC capacity.

      Small correction, the e140 only has 44 seats, so it’s a change from 176 seats daily to 304.


      So, AA picks up 128 of the 200 seats UA vacated. Probably not much incentive for DL to add / upgauge a flight vs. increase load factor.
       
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      Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

      Sun Feb 02, 2020 3:35 pm

      HPAEAA wrote:
      RE DCA- curious if they do anything here since they don’t have a direct competitor to DCA, also, there is a facilities challenge on the DCA side until the new gates opened, it’s not just slots, but gate space for an e170 unless they move it off another route.


      I think AA will add one more frequency for DCA; they have routes with lower yields which can give up a flight. They will probably upgrade another flight to E175. The nice part of that upgrade is the E175s use a regular gate at DCA instead of the dreaded Gate 35X bus scrum. Getting the MAXes flyng again will do a lot for CLE.

      In addition, WN could add a 4th BWI frequency without much trouble. Again, getting the MAXes going again will make lots possible.

      It's tempting to think AA could do a lot more in CLE; but do they really want to? They were/are in an even better position in PIT and they don't seem to want to capitalize on that. But maybe that will change; CEO Parker seems to be moving slightly away from his hubs-only rigidity lately.
       
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      Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

      Sun Feb 02, 2020 5:11 pm

      Fun2fly UA has 5x50 to LGA. I think delta will add one more frequency and mimic their PIT schedule.
       
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      Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

      Sun Feb 02, 2020 5:37 pm

      ncflyer wrote:
      Fun2fly UA has 5x50 to LGA. I think delta will add one more frequency and mimic their PIT schedule.


      Right, sorry about that. I think DL's service to LGA is a good experience and would welcome an expansion. How about gates at CLE? Does DL need some additional ones? I know they do a bit of RON at Concourse A.

      After all this time and expansion, it's sad to see Jetblue sitting on the sidelines not participating.
       
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      Sun Feb 02, 2020 6:04 pm

      I remember the AA 707-120B and DC-10 flights to LA back in 60's and 70's If UA pulls LAX, might AA backfill?
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        Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

        Sun Feb 02, 2020 7:48 pm

        Why would UA pull out of LAX? It’s a hub flight. They also have limited competition on it from Spirit. I mean if you’re just gonna pull every flight you have competition on you might as well fly from nowhere.
         
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        Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

        Sun Feb 02, 2020 8:02 pm

        The United comments are far off base. United has one non-hub daily flight this summer (MCO) and has the most capacity to to the rest of the hubs since 2014. The non-hub total is the same as every the last 3 years other than the the regional drops (Bos,Lga,Dca) with 24 mainline flights and 10 UX flights this summer. More seats than any other airline at CLE. The leases are til 2030 including the United Club. (only airline club at the airport that AA and DL will never add). The airline is doing just fine in Cleveland. The main UA problem is a shortage of domestic aircraft that is caused by the max problem. This is why we do not have 3 Lax and 3 Sfo flights this summer.
         
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        Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

        Sun Feb 02, 2020 8:18 pm

        avtcle wrote:
        Why would UA pull out of LAX? It’s a hub flight. They also have limited competition on it from Spirit. I mean if you’re just gonna pull every flight you have competition on you might as well fly from nowhere.


        While most of UA's non-hub domestic nonstop routes out of LAX are to destinations west of the Mississippi River, there are a few other non-UA hub destinations east of the Mississippi that have nonstop service to LAX on UA such as BWI, BOS, MSN, and MCO.

        I agree that UA probably will keep CLE-LAX nonstop service with UA still serving LAX nonstop from a few other non-UA hub airports east of the Mississippi River.

        AA, DL, or WN adding CLE-LAX is a possibility with all three of these airlines serving LAX nonstop from other Midwestern cities and with CLE being one of the top domestic destinations that AA, DL, or WN doesn't currently serve nonstop from LAX.
         
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        Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

        Sun Feb 02, 2020 8:43 pm

        I didn't realize that UA considered LAX a hub but looking at their route map it is. So as soon as this summer, UA will only fly to its Hubs. Correct?
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          Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

          Sun Feb 02, 2020 9:00 pm

          That was a unsubstantiated rumor. Most of which on anet are not true. If United wanted to cut those routes they’d have been gone along with LGA/DCA.

          CLE-RSW was already loaded in the schedule for next winter, so I don’t think they’re cutting all non-Hub routes.
           
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          Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

          Sun Feb 02, 2020 9:28 pm

          In fairness the LGA and DCA rumors ended up being true, granted it’s hard to distinguish between conjecture and rumor.

          It’ll be interesting to see what happens with NK and F9 dropping in so many more seats to Florida, even year round. Doesn’t seem sustainable to me.
           
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          Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

          Sun Feb 02, 2020 9:59 pm

          There is a significant difference in the Florida service. LGA/DCA were continually being downsized frequency and equipment wise for years following the hub exit. RSW/FLL have been expanded. TPA was re-added and expanded. Any suggestion that they are now, instead looking to cut these routes has no merit whatsoever.
           
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          Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

          Mon Feb 03, 2020 6:06 am

          masseybrown wrote:
          fun2fly wrote:
          avtcle wrote:
          In other news, Cleveland Hopkins released this statement on Twitter: “Our friends at American Airlines have advised us of newly upgraded service from CLE to New York LaGuardia starting June 4th. Tickets on sale starting tomorrow! More information to come!“


          Currently 4x ERJ140 for 176 pax daily for reference. Let's see what they add.


          Let's keep an eye on fares also. Currently AA offers June roundtrips to LGA for $297 (abut 36 cents a mile) and to DCA $259 (about 42 cents a mile). Fares are cheaper on dates closer in.


          AA CLE-LGA roundtrips are available from $199 in the summer. DL offers that price as well, but is being considerably more restrictive as they are limiting inventory availability to Tue/Wed flights.
           
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          Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

          Tue Feb 04, 2020 8:48 pm

          Did DL add any capacity on CLE-LGA?
           
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          Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

          Tue Feb 04, 2020 9:16 pm

          https://www.cleveland.com/business/2020 ... pkins.html

          "JobsOhio creates $4 million fund to lure new air service to Ohio airports, including Cleveland Hopkins"

          This should be interesting.... :stirthepot:
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          Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

          Tue Feb 04, 2020 11:37 pm

          Not a lot of $$ for all the airports in the state but gotta start somewhere. This is where a state like Indiana with only one major city has an enormous advantage.
           
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          Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

          Wed Feb 05, 2020 11:17 pm

          Sherwin-Williams to announce Thursday that it will stay in Cleveland:

          https://www.wkyc.com/mobile/article/new ... a637eb9f31

          A great win for the city.
           
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          Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

          Wed Feb 05, 2020 11:52 pm

          avtcle wrote:
          Sherwin-Williams to announce Thursday that it will stay in Cleveland:

          https://www.wkyc.com/mobile/article/new ... a637eb9f31

          A great win for the city.


          I just saw this, too. Hopefully, the downtown HQ will be iconic. Let's hope it leads to more air service, especially international service!

          https://www.cleveland.com/business/2020 ... s-say.html
           
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          Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

          Thu Feb 06, 2020 12:09 am

          CLEguy wrote:
          avtcle wrote:
          Sherwin-Williams to announce Thursday that it will stay in Cleveland:

          https://www.wkyc.com/mobile/article/new ... a637eb9f31

          A great win for the city.


          I just saw this, too. Hopefully, the downtown HQ will be iconic. Let's hope it leads to more air service, especially international service!

          https://www.cleveland.com/business/2020 ... s-say.html


          CLE should use those state funds to secure service to Montreal
           
          greenair727
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          Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

          Thu Feb 06, 2020 8:25 pm

          ^YUL? I assume you are joking. LHR/AMS/FRA is the goal here.
           
          ncflyer
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          Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

          Thu Feb 06, 2020 9:23 pm

          My take on crjflyboy was that it was a serious comment given the amount available for all the airports in the state. Kennedy's quote in the PD was effusively supportive, so I'm hopeful that jobsohio serves as seed money to serve as a catalyst for NEO business development organizations to match locally. Pittsburgh and Indy have raised the price for CLE I'm afraid.
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