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AC A330 Fleet News and Updates Discussion Thread - 2020

Tue Dec 31, 2019 4:54 pm

Welcome to the Air Canada A330 Fleet News and Updates Discussion Thread 2020. Please continue your discussion and to post your updates here.

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Re: AC A330 Fleet News and Updates Discussion Thread - 2020

Tue Dec 31, 2019 6:55 pm

Any idea as to when former 9V-STQ is to be delivered?
 
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Re: AC A330 Fleet News and Updates Discussion Thread - 2020

Tue Dec 31, 2019 9:01 pm

Thank you for starting this « 2020 » thread.

Does anyone know when the former Singapore/TAP birds will be getting new interiors/configurations?
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Sat Jan 11, 2020 10:26 pm

Btw, C-GEGP is at QPG since Nov 6th last year and C-GKUH is at MZJ since Oct 29th. What's the plan for these two?
 
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Sat Jan 11, 2020 11:17 pm

SpaceshipDC10 wrote:
Btw, C-GEGP is at QPG since Nov 6th last year and C-GKUH is at MZJ since Oct 29th. What's the plan for these two?

With regards to WPG and MZJ, I won’t be surprised is the two aircraft in questions are undergoing installation of new interiors as there are MROs at both airports.
 
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Sun Jan 12, 2020 2:49 am

First new config'd bird should be flying rev flights soon.
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Tue Jan 21, 2020 8:16 am

Can't wait for the pics!
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Tue Jan 21, 2020 9:03 am

SpaceshipDC10 wrote:
Btw, C-GEGP is at QPG since Nov 6th last year and C-GKUH is at MZJ since Oct 29th. What's the plan for these two?


C-GEGP cabin reconfig done soon.
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Tue Jan 21, 2020 1:48 pm

I curious to see if they've replaced the side-panels, ceiling, lighting and bins to match the newer A330s? AC's 330s are early models with the ancient bins, lighting and ceiling design smilier to 1990's-build A340s.
 
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Wed Jan 29, 2020 7:49 am

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I curious to see if they've replaced the side-panels, ceiling, lighting and bins to match the newer A330s? AC's 330s are early models with the ancient bins, lighting and ceiling design smilier to 1990's-build A340s.


I was wondering the same thing. But so far I haven't been able to find any information online. Given that they didn't change their current A330s when they updated the seats etc. I doubt it though
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Wed Jan 29, 2020 8:52 am

stratable wrote:
ACCS300 wrote:
I curious to see if they've replaced the side-panels, ceiling, lighting and bins to match the newer A330s? AC's 330s are early models with the ancient bins, lighting and ceiling design smilier to 1990's-build A340s.


I was wondering the same thing. But so far I haven't been able to find any information online. Given that they didn't change their current A330s when they updated the seats etc. I doubt it though



Am very curious about this too. The original A330 interior absolutely SCREAMS 1980's, even though the 330 was only introduced in the 90's. Visually, it was barely changed from the A300-600/A310. The only difference as far as i can tell, is that the outboard overhead lockers were enlarged. While more practical, I feel that it reduced the roominess of the cabin somewhat.

My first Airbus widebody flight ever was on an ancient TransAer A300B4 in March '99. Two months later, I flew on a (then) brand new Airtours A330, and I was suprised that, although updated compared to the B4, the cabin fittings (sidewalls and bins) already seemed out of date in terms of style.
 
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Tue Feb 18, 2020 10:31 pm

According to the document released today, Air Canada will increase the number of A330s to 17 this year:

https://www.aircanada.com/content/dam/a ... MDA_q4.pdf

Page 39
 
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Wed Feb 19, 2020 6:15 am

Found these online. Looking good.
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Spy shots
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Wed Feb 19, 2020 3:39 pm

codyul wrote:
Spy shots


So secret they don't even appear in the thread.
 
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Wed Feb 19, 2020 5:44 pm

jmt18325 wrote:
According to the document released today, Air Canada will increase the number of A330s to 17 this year:

https://www.aircanada.com/content/dam/a ... MDA_q4.pdf

Page 39


Cool, that means in a couple of years they will have doubled their fleet of the type.
 
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codyul wrote:
Spy shots


So secret they don't even appear in the thread.

Lol I put them as attachments to both my posts but they didn't show. I have no idea why
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Thu Feb 20, 2020 10:50 am

So does anyone know where those extra A330s are coming from?
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Thu Feb 20, 2020 11:01 am

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So does anyone know where those extra A330s are coming from?


Is SQ going to rtire their remaining A333s soon? And what about SU? They have retired three of theirs in the last few months.
 
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Re: AC A330 Fleet News and Updates Discussion Thread - 2020

Thu Feb 20, 2020 1:15 pm

Great news! My favourite wide-body ride! Let's hope for some neos in the future.
 
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Thu Feb 20, 2020 1:41 pm

A flight I'm on in March from CUN to YYZ was switched from a Rouge 767 to a mainline 330, I was happy to get that update from AC.
 
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Thu Feb 20, 2020 3:57 pm

With so many newer A330-300s around, I can see AC picking up a few more A333s. Great YUL/YYZ -Europe routes!! I do see some A321XLR in the fleet. But I cannot see a big fleet. Probably around 10.
 
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Thu Feb 20, 2020 7:41 pm

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With so many newer A330-300s around, I can see AC picking up a few more A333s. Great YUL/YYZ -Europe routes!! I do see some A321XLR in the fleet. But I cannot see a big fleet. Probably around 10.


In reply #12 above, the guidance provided by Air Canada shows 15 321's in the mainline fleet and 14 in the Rouge fleet at least until Dec 2021. So no changes planned at least for the next 24 months.
 
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Thu Feb 20, 2020 7:51 pm

airnorth wrote:
MoreMiles wrote:
With so many newer A330-300s around, I can see AC picking up a few more A333s. Great YUL/YYZ -Europe routes!! I do see some A321XLR in the fleet. But I cannot see a big fleet. Probably around 10.


In reply #12 above, the guidance provided by Air Canada shows 15 321's in the mainline fleet and 14 in the Rouge fleet at least until Dec 2021. So no changes planned at least for the next 24 months.

The only worry is the A321 that got damaged. I’m not sure what has happened to it. I hope it doesn’t get retired only to get replaced by another 737 or something
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767333ER wrote:
airnorth wrote:
MoreMiles wrote:
With so many newer A330-300s around, I can see AC picking up a few more A333s. Great YUL/YYZ -Europe routes!! I do see some A321XLR in the fleet. But I cannot see a big fleet. Probably around 10.


In reply #12 above, the guidance provided by Air Canada shows 15 321's in the mainline fleet and 14 in the Rouge fleet at least until Dec 2021. So no changes planned at least for the next 24 months.

The only worry is the A321 that got damaged. I’m not sure what has happened to it. I hope it doesn’t get retired only to get replaced by another 737 or something

And never mind on that, the damaged A321 just did a test flight today so it seems to be repaired.
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Fri Feb 21, 2020 1:26 am

Flew SFO-YYZ on C-GEGI on Sunday and it was GHASTLY inside. C-GFUR appears to be getting touched up at XSP in Singapore right now.
 
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Fri Feb 21, 2020 4:40 am

Do we need a refurbishment thread? Or shall we collect these infos here?

New Config (32C/24W/241Y)


In Refurbishment
934 C-GFUR MSN 344 (done test flights after 7th, 10th and 21st February)
936 C-GHKW MSN 408 (arrived for reconfig in Singapore 31st January)
942 C-GEGP MSN 1015 (stored in Singapore Probably in for Refurb)
944 C-???? MSN 1149 (stored in Singapore? Possably in for refurb?)

Old Config (27C/21W/244Y)
931 C-GFAF MSN 277
932 C-GFAH MSN 279
933 C-GFAJ MSN 284
935 C-GHKR MSN 400
937 C-GHKX MSN 412
938 C-GHLM MSN 419

ex Singapore Config (30W255Y) (Regional Business sold als Premium Eco internationally, as Domestic First on continental Routes)
939 C-GEFA MSN 997
940 C-GEGC MSN 1006
941 C-GEGI MSN 1012
942 see in refurb section
943 ?
944 see in refurb section
945 C-GKUH MSN 1156 (stored in Marana)
946 ?
947 ?

My personal guess would be, that 943 will be one from between MSN 1015 and 1149. Now that they added 2 more, it would be awesome if they would be newer than MSN 1156, but I doubt they took that into consideration when shopping for affordable second hand aircraft.

Possible SQ frames more or less available (I doubt other sources to reduce the work for reconfigurations):
9V-STC MSN 986 active with SQ
9V-STK MSN 1099 active with Honk Kong Airlines
9V.STL MSN 1105 active with Hong Kong Airlines
9V-STM MSN 1107 active with Honk Kong Airlines
9V-STN MSN 1124 was active with Hong Kong Airlines, wfu Jan2020
9V-STP MSN 1146 was active with Hong Kong Airlines, wfu Feb2020
9V-STS MSN 1157 (apparently stored after 1 year with Transasia, wfu Oct2016)
9V-STW MSN 1447 (stored after being wfu Jul2019)
9V-SSA MSN 1485 (stored)
9V-SSC MSN 1544 active with SQ (6 year lease ends theoretically around JUL2020)
9V-SSD MSN 1562 active with SQ (6 year lease ends theoretically around SEP2020)
9V-SSE MSN 1597 active with SQ (6 year lease ends theoretically around JAN2021)
9V-SSF MSN 1609 active with SQ (6 year lease ends theoretically around MAR2021)
9V-SSG MSN 1633 active with SQ (6 year lease ends theoretically around JUN2021)
9V-SSH MSN 1648 active with SQ (6 year lease ends theoretically around JUL2021)
9V-SSI MSN 1666 active with SQ (6 year lease ends theoretically around SEP2021)


I excluded some frames placed with other airlines:
Brussels (ex STB, STF, STI, STO)
Hifly (ex STU, STY, STZ, SSB)
Turkish (ex STJ)
Air Asia X (ex STA)
Evelop (ex STT)
Oman Air (ex STZ)
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Fri Feb 21, 2020 5:01 am

SpaceshipDC10 wrote:
matt wrote:
So does anyone know where those extra A330s are coming from?


Is SQ going to rtire their remaining A333s soon? And what about SU? They have retired three of theirs in the last few months.

SU airframes seems to be going to Thai AirAsia X and Corsair. To maintain source consistency, AC might be going for single source SQ. They are offloading their A330, and with coronavirus around, their retirement might accelerate.
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MaxiAir wrote:
9V-STP MSN 1146 was active with Hong Kong Airlines, wfu Feb2020

MSN 1146 was flown to CHR for storage two days ago.
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Sat Feb 22, 2020 7:01 pm

LesAilesDuQuebec.com / WingsOverQuebec.com are reporting Air Canada is in talks with Airbus for an order of 25 with a mix of A321LR/XLR and A330NEO while an existing Boeing order for 11 MAX9 orders is to be relegated out to a future date.
 
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Sat Feb 22, 2020 7:42 pm

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LesAilesDuQuebec.com / WingsOverQuebec.com are reporting Air Canada is in talks with Airbus for an order of 25 with a mix of A321LR/XLR and A330NEO while an existing Boeing order for 11 MAX9 orders is to be relegated out to a future date.


Wow that would be nice for Airbus, and for AC PAXs too to boot! Am a fan of the 330, would love to see the Neo with AC.
 
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Sat Feb 22, 2020 8:01 pm

ShamrockBoi330 wrote:
yyztpa2 wrote:
LesAilesDuQuebec.com / WingsOverQuebec.com are reporting Air Canada is in talks with Airbus for an order of 25 with a mix of A321LR/XLR and A330NEO while an existing Boeing order for 11 MAX9 orders is to be relegated out to a future date.


Wow that would be nice for Airbus, and for AC PAXs too to boot! Am a fan of the 330, would love to see the Neo with AC.


I've suspected for some time that AC was going to order 20-25 A321s. What is somewhat surprising is the potential mix of LR and XLR.

I'm not surprised to see the 11 MAX9s deferred and would not be shocked if they never get delivered. With a potential order for A321s, I don't see the MAX10 in AC future.

There have been recent media reports of AC negotiating compensation on its MAX8 order, I imagine they'll take delivery of the remaining 36 to add to the current 24 that are grounded.

It will be interesting to see how the A330NEO discussions progress and how it would fit into AC route network. It would surprise me if it could end up being a place-holder for a A350 order.
 
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Sat Feb 22, 2020 8:23 pm

I’ve been guessing for a while that they’d never take up the 9’s. And with 321LRs coming in with the Transat merger, LRs and XLRs don’t shock me. I’m happy about if it’s true. I’d love to see a mix of more A223s (and 500s???) and 321 NEO/LR/XLR and the MAX sold off altogether. Assuming the MAX ever fly again! Another delay announced today!

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Sat Feb 22, 2020 8:31 pm

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I’ve been guessing for a while that they’d never take up the 9’s. And with 321LRs coming in with the Transat merger, LRs and XLRs don’t shock me. I’m happy about if it’s true. I’d love to see a mix of more A223s (and 500s???) and 321 NEO/LR/XLR and the MAX sold off altogether. Assuming the MAX ever fly again! Another delay announced today!

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I could envision the MAX8s ending up at Rouge, not anytime soon though.
 
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Sat Feb 22, 2020 8:38 pm

9252fly wrote:
beechnut wrote:
I’ve been guessing for a while that they’d never take up the 9’s. And with 321LRs coming in with the Transat merger, LRs and XLRs don’t shock me. I’m happy about if it’s true. I’d love to see a mix of more A223s (and 500s???) and 321 NEO/LR/XLR and the MAX sold off altogether. Assuming the MAX ever fly again! Another delay announced today!

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I could envision the MAX8s ending up at Rouge, not anytime soon though.


My thought was in 5 years Rouge ceases to exist and Transat operates a 50 max8 fleet (only). Muhahaha my wishful thinking.
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Re: AC A330 Fleet News and Updates Discussion Thread - 2020

Sat Feb 22, 2020 8:48 pm

ShamrockBoi330 wrote:
yyztpa2 wrote:
LesAilesDuQuebec.com / WingsOverQuebec.com are reporting Air Canada is in talks with Airbus for an order of 25 with a mix of A321LR/XLR and A330NEO while an existing Boeing order for 11 MAX9 orders is to be relegated out to a future date.


Wow that would be nice for Airbus, and for AC PAXs too to boot! Am a fan of the 330, would love to see the Neo with AC.


Might the 330neos be for Air Transat? The have 9 abreast Y in their 330ceos, so it would be logical for them to follow on with the presently-favoured LCC widebody.
 
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JerseyFlyer wrote:
ShamrockBoi330 wrote:
yyztpa2 wrote:
LesAilesDuQuebec.com / WingsOverQuebec.com are reporting Air Canada is in talks with Airbus for an order of 25 with a mix of A321LR/XLR and A330NEO while an existing Boeing order for 11 MAX9 orders is to be relegated out to a future date.


Wow that would be nice for Airbus, and for AC PAXs too to boot! Am a fan of the 330, would love to see the Neo with AC.


Might the 330neos be for Air Transat? The have 9 abreast Y in their 330ceos, so it would be logical for them to follow on with the presently-favoured LCC widebody.


Hope not, they're awful to fly in! But with AC currently building its 330 fleet, it goes hand in hand with that!
 
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Sat Feb 22, 2020 9:10 pm

ShamrockBoi330 wrote:
JerseyFlyer wrote:
ShamrockBoi330 wrote:

Wow that would be nice for Airbus, and for AC PAXs too to boot! Am a fan of the 330, would love to see the Neo with AC.


Might the 330neos be for Air Transat? The have 9 abreast Y in their 330ceos, so it would be logical for them to follow on with the presently-favoured LCC widebody.


Hope not, they're awful to fly in! But with AC currently building its 330 fleet, it goes hand in hand with that!

And until the Transat deal gets final approvals, I don't think AC would order for them.
But I could see an initial order, with add-ons once all acquisitions and mergers are completed.
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Re: AC A330 Fleet News and Updates Discussion Thread - 2020

Sat Feb 22, 2020 9:27 pm

yyztpa2 wrote:
LesAilesDuQuebec.com / WingsOverQuebec.com are reporting Air Canada is in talks with Airbus for an order of 25 with a mix of A321LR/XLR and A330NEO while an existing Boeing order for 11 MAX9 orders is to be relegated out to a future date.


Love that AC seems to be gradually migrating back to Airbus for its narrow body fleet, they've been screwed by Boeing and have suffered far more than most major carriers with the MAX grounding, affecting about 20% of their NB fleet. Be great to see them ditch the MAX entirely and order a bunch of neos, would make so much sense for fleet commonality with AC Mainline, Rouge and Transat.

I'm sure there are some carriers looking to pick up some MAX 8s fast after the grounding is lifted.
 
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Sat Feb 22, 2020 10:55 pm

AC, despite the short term pain with the MAX grounding, is in a great negotiating position:

Boeing’s expected compensation may allow AC to consider the 787-10, potentially even taking over the deposits from the MAX10.

Airbus wants to get back with AC, and while the A321LR/XLR is certainly a strong possibility, it also wants to sell A330neos.

Might be a great opportunity for A321LR + 787-10 at AC.
 
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Sat Feb 22, 2020 11:18 pm

I hope this is true and not just a negotiation tactic towards Boeing.

AC’s executives have said in the past the there is no need for fleet growth, hence no additional 787s. I wonder if the A330 NEOs would replace the B788s for the mainline, the B788s could work for Rouge as a partial B763 replacement.

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Sun Feb 23, 2020 12:39 am

I don't see 787-10s at AC at the moment. It would replace the A330s in terms of size and mission, and the A330s seem to work very well for AC. They're relatively cheap to obtain on the used market. I could see NEOs maybe... cheaper than a 787-10 I would suspect, even with discounts from Boeing.

I could see A330 NEOs going to Mainline, and the older/used ones going to Rouge. Rouge would end up with an all-Airbus fleet. It wouldn't be a 1-for-1 replacement of 767s due to the A330s higher capacity, unless they want to grow Rouge. However, I wouldn't bet too much money on Rouge continuing after the Air Transat merger. Air Transat has a fairly well-known and appreciated brand especially in Québec. Rouge... not so much anywhere. I would expect AC to capitalize on that, and rationalize as well. And the A330s are already a good fit with Air Transat.

I think the results of that merger will provide more clarity.

My own wish is for the MAX to disappear from the AC fleet. I'm sure, if the MAX is eventually re-certified, they could float them on the used market, and if they aren't then Boeing is going to owe AC big-time.

I think an A223/225 and A321NEO/LR/XLR MAX-free mix would be a fantastic narrow body fleet for AC. The 223s and 225s (here's hoping!) replace the E-jets, A319s and A320s, and the A321s take the top end of the NB market as well as open up new low-density Transatlantic route possibilities.

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Sun Feb 23, 2020 12:59 am

Here's an interesting part of the LesAilesDuQuebec article, concerning the MAX:

"I think... we have examined various scenarios internally. I think we have pretty good flexibility until roughly the end of the year. After that it becomes more difficult because the maintenance costs will increase and these aircraft must be returned to their lessors for that reason. However certainly we have reasonable flexibility until the end of the year" (Mike Rousseau, VP finance, AC management conference call).

Mr. Rousseau's declaration means that Air Canada would find it difficult to continue using current solutions in 2021, The company must therefore consider longer-term replacement solutions. These solutions will take more time to deploy and they need to be decided well before the end of 2020. June 30 is therefore an important date for the future of the MAX in Air Canada's fleet. If by this date Boeing is still working on problems, Air Canada will need to find a more durable solution.

(Beechnut's translation).

That would imply that the future of the MAX is very uncertain at AC at this time. If by June 30, according to their interpretation, the MAX problems have not been resolved, there's a good possibility that the MAX will be dead at AC, and AC will be turning elsewhere. That elsewhere may be the A321 order, and, IMHO, exercising A223 options (and maybe being launch customer for the A225). My own gut instinct is that the MAX will never fly again for Air Canada. Between the RTS delays and the damage to the brand, I think AC is looking for a way out.

Beech
 
smallmj
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Re: AC A330 Fleet News and Updates Discussion Thread - 2020

Sun Feb 23, 2020 11:43 am

beechnut wrote:
That would imply that the future of the MAX is very uncertain at AC at this time. If by June 30, according to their interpretation, the MAX problems have not been resolved, there's a good possibility that the MAX will be dead at AC, and AC will be turning elsewhere. That elsewhere may be the A321 order, and, IMHO, exercising A223 options (and maybe being launch customer for the A225). My own gut instinct is that the MAX will never fly again for Air Canada. Between the RTS delays and the damage to the brand, I think AC is looking for a way out.

Beech


Yeah, but even if they give up on the MAX, any new orders won't bring in new birds for several years. If the MAX isn't flying by 2021 then AC will need to find a bunch of planes on the used market or seriously trim their flying.
 
MoreMiles
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Re: AC A330 Fleet News and Updates Discussion Thread - 2020

Sun Feb 23, 2020 2:13 pm

airnorth wrote:

In reply #12 above, the guidance provided by Air Canada shows 15 321's in the mainline fleet and 14 in the Rouge fleet at least until Dec 2021. So no changes planned at least for the next 24 months.

‘Planned’ is the operative word. Remember the MAX has become very dynamic word for fleet planning.
1. MAX needs to be certified for operations
2. AC need to know how the delivery schedule is going to be.
Just 2 years ago, they were only planning to have a fleet of 10 A333. Now it is 17.
The A320s are oldest narrow body in the fleet. So they will need to go in the next few years as with the A319s.
The dark horse will be the compensation for the MAX. That will also affect the AC’s future plans.
 
jumbojettony
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Re: AC A330 Fleet News and Updates Discussion Thread - 2020

Sun Feb 23, 2020 4:54 pm

Cool to see they are continuously adding more A330s to the fleet. I'm sure these will make their way to Rouge / Transat post merger.

From what I am guessing I'd say the Max has taught them to have more then just a one company fleet so going with a Airbus / Boeing mix for Nb and Wb makes sense.
 
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Re: AC A330 Fleet News and Updates Discussion Thread - 2020

Sun Feb 23, 2020 8:12 pm

Rumour has it that Air Canada is about to place an order for A321LR/XLR and A330neos, only a few of them.
 
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Re: AC A330 Fleet News and Updates Discussion Thread - 2020

Mon Feb 24, 2020 2:40 am

bspc wrote:
Rumour has it that Air Canada is about to place an order for A321LR/XLR and A330neos, only a few of them.


"According to what Wings Over Québec has learned, Air Canada is about to place an order for 25 aircraft with Airbus. The order would be a mix of A321LR-XLR and A330neo."

Source: https://www.wingsoverquebec.com/?p=9150
 
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Re: AC A330 Fleet News and Updates Discussion Thread - 2020

Mon Feb 24, 2020 2:57 am

Adding Airbus WB with an A320 family order, will 'buy' earlier deliveries of your NB's.
 
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Re: AC A330 Fleet News and Updates Discussion Thread - 2020

Mon Feb 24, 2020 8:39 am

smartplane wrote:
Adding Airbus WB with an A320 family order, will 'buy' earlier deliveries of your NB's.

And I suspect with the current situation over in China, depending on how long the coronavirus situation lasts, there might be some delivery slots for A320Neo's available in the short term that the various Chinese airlines might be willing to give up in the short term to Air Canada.

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