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Re: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread - 2020

Sun Mar 29, 2020 6:44 pm

Arion640 wrote:
KLM’s 747’s bowing out this weekend along with (Allegedly) Qantas.

Sadly I never made it to a flight with either operator.


both are still alleged. However, I would not be surprised. Qantas defiantly looks like they retired there's. and I think for the moment KLM is only retiring PH-BFL and PH-BFN there 2 747-400's, although that's just my guess.
Heres the articles anyway:
https://simpleflying.com/qantas-747-retirement-early/
https://simpleflying.com/klm-747-retirement-2/
 
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Re: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread - 2020

Sun Mar 29, 2020 9:19 pm

There was a livestream of the last KL 744 landing at AMS from MEX this afternoon. They've been retired from passenger service.
 
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Re: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread - 2020

Mon Mar 30, 2020 5:17 am

I don't think this is worthy of it's own thread.

A friend asked me if I knew of any airline still flying the 747 to/from the Philippines, off the top of my head I came up blank, anyone have a yes/no answer ?
 
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Re: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread - 2020

Mon Mar 30, 2020 5:19 am

jetwet1 wrote:
I don't think this is worthy of it's own thread.

A friend asked me if I knew of any airline still flying the 747 to/from the Philippines, off the top of my head I came up blank, anyone have a yes/no answer ?


Possibly KE before things went south?
 
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Re: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread - 2020

Mon Mar 30, 2020 6:06 am

ZK-NBT wrote:
jetwet1 wrote:
I don't think this is worthy of it's own thread.

A friend asked me if I knew of any airline still flying the 747 to/from the Philippines, off the top of my head I came up blank, anyone have a yes/no answer ?


Possibly KE before things went south?


No, they use 773's and 333's
 
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Re: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread - 2020

Mon Mar 30, 2020 12:02 pm

Qantas Parking Boeing 747s – No Retirement Yet

https://simpleflying.com/qantas-747-par ... 8SZbFWLKKc
 
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Re: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread - 2020

Mon Mar 30, 2020 7:06 pm

jetwet1 wrote:
I don't think this is worthy of it's own thread.

A friend asked me if I knew of any airline still flying the 747 to/from the Philippines, off the top of my head I came up blank, anyone have a yes/no answer ?


supposedly Asiana airlines (expecting that they keep their 2 747-400's even though there is the whole coronavirus thing) still flys to Manila using the 747-400.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-gH ... yyrlQ/edit
 
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Re: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread - 2020

Mon Mar 30, 2020 7:08 pm

danipawa wrote:
Qantas Parking Boeing 747s – No Retirement Yet

https://simpleflying.com/qantas-747-par ... 8SZbFWLKKc


Thanks!
 
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Re: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread - 2020

Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:45 am

BA ferried G-BNLY and G-CIVC to BOH today. As these 2 belong to the oldest 744 in BA's fleet, does anyone know if they are entering temporary storage there or if they are retired?
I guess normally BOH means the end of the line for WB aircraft?
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Re: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread - 2020

Tue Mar 31, 2020 12:01 pm

LHA320 wrote:
BA ferried G-BNLY and G-CIVC to BOH today. As these 2 belong to the oldest 744 in BA's fleet, does anyone know if they are entering temporary storage there or if they are retired?
I guess normally BOH means the end of the line for WB aircraft?

No, St Athan (DGX) is where BA planes go to die. But normally they visit one of BA's own maintenance bases such as CWL or GLA for recovery of internal reusable components first. BOH is a genuine storage point.
In any case, with the UK on coronavirus lockdown, dismantling planes hardly counts as an essential service!
 
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Re: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread - 2020

Tue Mar 31, 2020 2:50 pm

LHA320 wrote:
BA ferried G-BNLY and G-CIVC to BOH today.
As these 2 belong to the oldest 744 in BA's fleet, does anyone know if they are entering temporary storage there or if they are retired?
I guess normally BOH means the end of the line for WB aircraft?


G-CIVP and CIVU also arrived at BOH today, 31st March.

For the BA 747 retirement plans see:

https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/british ... acker.html

G-CIVC is not due to retire until NOV22 and G-BNLY is not due to go until 2023. However, of course this could change.
It could be that the BA 747s with retirement planned for the next six months (G-CIVD May 20, CIVH & CIVJ both June 20) may now go earlier than expected.
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Re: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread - 2020

Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:00 pm

G-CIVH to storage Heathrow 17-03-20

Not sure about the others.
 
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Re: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread - 2020

Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:35 pm

Should be 6 x BA 744’s heading to BOH for temporary storage today. ( along with 3x ex BMED A321’s heading your to GLA).
 
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Re: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread - 2020

Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:25 pm

Andy33 wrote:
LHA320 wrote:
BA ferried G-BNLY and G-CIVC to BOH today. As these 2 belong to the oldest 744 in BA's fleet, does anyone know if they are entering temporary storage there or if they are retired?
I guess normally BOH means the end of the line for WB aircraft?

No, St Athan (DGX) is where BA planes go to die. But normally they visit one of BA's own maintenance bases such as CWL or GLA for recovery of internal reusable components first. BOH is a genuine storage point.
In any case, with the UK on coronavirus lockdown, dismantling planes hardly counts as an essential service!


Comments on the BBC news feed state that BA have previously used BOH for maintenance when no capacity is available at CWL of LHR, so probably storage as commented above.
 
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Re: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread - 2020

Tue Mar 31, 2020 6:05 pm

bennett123 wrote:
G-CIVH to storage Heathrow 17-03-20

Not sure about the others.


Of the three close to their planned retirement, as well as G-CIVH, G-CIVD is stored at LHR, and G-CIVJ operated at SFO cargo run on 27/28MAR.
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Re: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread - 2020

Tue Mar 31, 2020 6:11 pm

GR3 wrote:
Andy33 wrote:
LHA320 wrote:
BA ferried G-BNLY and G-CIVC to BOH today. As these 2 belong to the oldest 744 in BA's fleet, does anyone know if they are entering temporary storage there or if they are retired?
I guess normally BOH means the end of the line for WB aircraft?

No, St Athan (DGX) is where BA planes go to die. But normally they visit one of BA's own maintenance bases such as CWL or GLA for recovery of internal reusable components first. BOH is a genuine storage point.
In any case, with the UK on coronavirus lockdown, dismantling planes hardly counts as an essential service!


Comments on the BBC news feed state that BA have previously used BOH for maintenance when no capacity is available at CWL of LHR, so probably storage as commented above.


Over the past eighteen months four BA 747s have spent time with an engineering company at BOH. One arrived direct from JFK.

Airliners are not scrapped at BOH, there isn't a company doing that there. The closest thing to it in the past couple of years was an ex-Nordavia 737 that had its tail, tailplane and wings removed, and the fuselage was taken by road to Kemble. Not sure if the wings and other pieces followed. You'd struggle to get a 747 on the back of a lorry.
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Re: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread - 2020

Wed Apr 01, 2020 2:39 pm

United857 wrote:
Quick question, is it possible to fly a combi with main deck pallets while the passenger cabin is empty without the center of gravity going out of limits? Since the cargo section is between doors 4 and 5, I'd imagine that would be very tail heavy.


As per available information, -400M version does have the ability to ballast fuel. The fuel in center tank is used up to certain point, when then crew shuts off center fuel tank. Simply put, during the pre-flight phase crew puts a memo into FMS at what point it should occur.

Fuel ballast can be from 0.0 tons to ~45 tons of fuel. This should be able to counter-weight heavy tail (but I am not sure if in its entirety).

It seems that OEW and MZFW for -400M is higher (2-5 tons), and it can carry anywhere from 7 - 16 tons more cargo (pax + freight). It is hard to find any proper data on these planes (for one, most of them don't fly anymore or have been converted to freighters). I have yet to see same weights throughout. I would say that every plane has unique OEW, MZFW, and I would not be far from the truth. :) It is quite interesting actually. Just wish to have an access to such database.
 
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Re: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread - 2020

Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:00 pm

Cardude2 wrote:
jetwet1 wrote:
I don't think this is worthy of it's own thread.

A friend asked me if I knew of any airline still flying the 747 to/from the Philippines, off the top of my head I came up blank, anyone have a yes/no answer ?


supposedly Asiana airlines (expecting that they keep their 2 747-400's even though there is the whole coronavirus thing) still flys to Manila using the 747-400.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-gH ... yyrlQ/edit


Thank you
 
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Re: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread - 2020

Sun Apr 05, 2020 6:21 am

Qantas 744 VH-OEG is currently enroute to LAX as QF6001

https://www.flightradar24.com/QFA6001/24521c38
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Re: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread - 2020

Sun Apr 05, 2020 9:17 am

Back in June 2017 I put together a list of all the 747-400s in passenger service. 177 aircraft across 27 airlines. See viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1365789

I had thought to do an update in January this year, but time got away from me. I wish I had, given how much it has again changed in the last couple of weeks. So, before more time passes, here are the currently active 747-400s in passenger service, as per planespotters.net, cross-referenced with Flightradar24. First of all, let's take note of the operators who retired the type between mid-2017 and the end of 2019:

  • Delta Air Lines
  • El Al Israel Airlines
  • EVA Air
  • Kabo Air (defunct)
  • Kuwait Airways
  • Lion Air
  • Med View Airlines (defunct)
  • United Airlines

Since the beginning of this year, the following operators have halted their 747-400 passenger operations; in most cases this is only temporary at the moment, but KLM at least appears to be permanent, and depending on the course of COVID-19, it could become permanent for others too.

  • Air India
  • China Airlines
  • Corsair
  • flynas (leased from Terra Avia)
  • KLM
  • Korean Air
  • Qantas
  • Saudi Arabian Airlines (leased from Air Atlanta Icelandic)
  • Virgin Atlantic

All that leaves the following in service:

Air China
1 aircraft active


B-2445 25882/1021 Boeing 747-4J6 - last flew PVG-PEK 02/04/2020


Asiana Airlines
1 aircraft active


HL7428 28552/1160 Boeing 747-48E - last flew more than 7 days ago, may be stored


Atlas Air
4 aircraft active


N322SG 30322/1250 Boeing 747-481 - last flew more than 7 days ago, may be stored
N464MC 26341/902 Boeing 747-446 - last flew LAW-IAH 03/04/2020

N465MC 24784/798 Boeing 747-446 - last flew IAH-HHN 04/04/2020
N480MC 28812/1207 Boeing 747-422 - last flew RMS-BWI 01/04/2020


British Airways
7 aircraft active

G-BYGC 25823/1195 Boeing 747-436 - airborne SFO-LHR at time of writing
G-BYGG 28859/1212 Boeing 747-436 - last flew DFW-LHR 02/04/2020
G-CIVB 25811/1018 Boeing 747-436 - last flew LHR-MIA 04/04/2020

G-CIVF 25434/1058 Boeing 747-436 - listed as stored on Planespotters and hasn't flown in over 7 days, but scheduled to fly LHR-SFO-LHR today on Flightradar24
G-CIVI 25814/1079 Boeing 747-436 - last flew LHR-DFW 04/04/2020

G-CIVJ 25817/1102 Boeing 747-436 - last flew LHR-MIA 04/04/2020
G-CIVY 28853/1178 Boeing 747-436 - airborne DFW-LHR at time of writing


Iraqi Airways
2 aircraft active

YI-AQQ 27099/1031 Boeing 747-446 - last flew more than 7 days ago, may be stored
YI-ASA 28433/1290 Boeing 747-4H6 - last flew more than 7 days ago, may be stored


Lufthansa
3 aircraft active

D-ABTL 29872/1299 Boeing 747-430 - last flew BOG-FRA 03/04/2020
D-ABVM 29101/1143 Boeing 747-430 - last flew FRA-LIM 05/04/2020
D-ABVP 28284/1103 Boeing 747-430 - airborne BKK-CHC at time of writing


Mahan Air
1 aircraft active

EP-MNB 24363/740 Boeing 747-422 - last flew more than 7 days ago, may be stored


Max Air
2 aircraft active

5N-ADM 30023/1245 Boeing 747-422 - last flew more than 7 days ago, may be stored
5N-DBK 26403/1095 Boeing 747-4B5 - last flew MZJ-MZJ 02/04/2020, may still be stored


Rossiya Russian Airlines
2 aircraft active

EI-XLF 27645/1262 Boeing 747-446 - last flew HKT-VKO 29/03/2020
EI-XLJ 27646/1280 Boeing 747-446 - last flew SVO-SVO 01/04/2020, may be stored


Thai Airways International
2 aircraft active

HS-TGA 32369 1273 Boeing 747-4D7 - last flew more than 7 days ago, may be stored
HS-TGG 33771 1337 Boeing 747-4D7 - last flew more than 7 days ago, may be stored


Wamos Air
4 aircraft active

EC-KXN 25703/1025 Boeing 747-4H6 - last flew CDG-MAD 05/04/2020
EC-MDS 26910/1180 Boeing 747-419 - last flew MIA-MAD 04/04/2020

EC-MQK 28427/1147 Boeing 747-4H6 - last flew DPS-MAD 04/04/2020
EC-MRM 28435/1152 Boeing 747-4H6 - airborne EZE-CDG at time of writing


So there we go: 29 aircraft active across 11 airlines, but at least 10 of those (including the remaining fleets of 5 airlines) appear to be stored.

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Re: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread - 2020

Sun Apr 05, 2020 9:29 am

The real problem, is knowing how many of those parked recently will return to service.
 
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Re: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread - 2020

Sun Apr 05, 2020 9:43 am

B-2445 was active as recently as 02Apr; https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/b-2445.
 
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Re: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread - 2020

Sun Apr 05, 2020 9:54 am

KFTG wrote:
B-2445 was active as recently as 02Apr; https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/b-2445.

Indeed as noted in the post:

VirginFlyer wrote:
B-2445 25882/1021 Boeing 747-4J6 - last flew PVG-PEK 02/04/2020
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Re: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread - 2020

Sun Apr 05, 2020 9:55 am

Sorry, I'm a gringo and I'm used to seeing the month first in the date string. :)
 
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Re: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread - 2020

Sun Apr 05, 2020 10:06 am

KFTG wrote:
Sorry, I'm a gringo and I'm used to seeing the month first in the date string. :)

Haha as soon as I posted that I clicked! Unfortunate time of the month where it isn't self evident!

bennett123 wrote:
The real problem, is knowing how many of those parked recently will return to service.

As a 747 fan from way back, I would hope many of them will; as a realist I fear this may be the end of the road for first-tier 747 operators. KLM has already called time. I would say it is unlikely that they will return to service with Air India, China Airlines, Korean Air, Qantas, Thai Airways, and Virgin Atlantic. Perhaps they may last a bit longer at British Airways, Corsair International and Lufthansa, but even then I think their days are now seriously numbered.

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Re: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread - 2020

Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:05 am

Thai and China Airlines might come back. Korean and air chine only have 1 or 2 -400 so we might see them again too.
 
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Re: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread - 2020

Sun Apr 05, 2020 3:40 pm

blandy62 wrote:
Thai and China Airlines might come back. Korean and air chine only have 1 or 2 -400 so we might see them again too.

All CIs pax 744s are parked. 2 since early Feb. One since early March. These 3 at TPE. Last parked at KHH 2 weeks ago.
Looking at flight radar 24 even in the last week all their 77W are active, even if only for a regional rotation like to Japan. mainland China. All except 1 A359 has been active, some almost daily with Euro/transpac/Aus flights. Some with several x/week flights only. One has been out for almost a week now They had one 744F out a month from early March and now back. Possible that 744F and now this A359 was out for mx.
Of their 23 A333s, 4 are "stored", all the other have been active to varying degrees since early March, 2 are out of action last week, 1 out 2 weeks, 1 was out in Mar but back now, all the others are running almost every day of the week or at least 2-3 flight/week.

Those pax 744s are not coming back :worried: If they need 350 capacity, the 77Ws will do better job, have new J /PE product and have much better cargo capacity.
They probably need those 744 flight crews for the cargo operations too.
 
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Re: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread - 2020

Sun Apr 05, 2020 4:34 pm

You can also add N263SG to the Atlas Air list for (5) total -400 passenger models.
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Re: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread - 2020

Sun Apr 05, 2020 7:08 pm

VirginFlyer wrote:
Lufthansa
3 aircraft active

D-ABTL 29872/1299 Boeing 747-430 - last flew BOG-FRA 03/04/2020
D-ABVM 29101/1143 Boeing 747-430 - last flew FRA-LIM 05/04/2020
D-ABVP 28284/1103 Boeing 747-430 - airborne BKK-CHC at time of writing


V/F


First of all thanks again for your awesome work! I was already impressed by your original list in 2017.
Just a small correction. Additionally to your list Lufthansa has two more active 744 at the moment:

D-ABVR
D-ABVX

The latter is on its way to BKK right now. The rest will hopefully fly again soon.

Cheers and stay healthy!
 
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Re: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread - 2020

Sun Apr 05, 2020 7:46 pm

AV8AJET wrote:
You can also add N263SG to the Atlas Air list for (5) total -400 passenger models.

The source I used to compile this list, Planespotters.net, lists it as stored, and Flightradar24 has no flights for it in the last 7 days. Can you give a bit more information on what is happening with it?

DABYT wrote:
VirginFlyer wrote:
Lufthansa
3 aircraft active

D-ABTL 29872/1299 Boeing 747-430 - last flew BOG-FRA 03/04/2020
D-ABVM 29101/1143 Boeing 747-430 - last flew FRA-LIM 05/04/2020
D-ABVP 28284/1103 Boeing 747-430 - airborne BKK-CHC at time of writing


V/F


First of all thanks again for your awesome work! I was already impressed by your original list in 2017.
Just a small correction. Additionally to your list Lufthansa has two more active 744 at the moment:

D-ABVR
D-ABVX

The latter is on its way to BKK right now. The rest will hopefully fly again soon.

Cheers and stay healthy!

Thank you! At the time I did this (only about 12 hours ago!) D-ABVR and D-ABVX were both listed as stored on Planespotters. -ABVX is now showing active there again (and you are right is on its way to BKK and then on to CHC - New Zealand is one of the top destinations for Lufthansa 747s at the moment!), but -ABVR still shows stored with Flightradar24 showing no flights in the last 7 days. Do you know what is happening with it?

Another couple of changes on Planespotters since my snapshot last night:
  • British Airways G-BYGF is now active again, and is in fact now airborne LHR-DFW.
  • Rossiya EI-XLF is now listed as stored.

So adding N263SG, G-BYGF, D-ABVR, D-ABVX and removing EI-XLF, that’s 32 747-400s in service (with the 10 from yesterday’s list likely to be stored, plus the two suggestions from the above posts which haven’t flown in more than 7 days but which are suggested to not be stored).

Obviously it is still somewhat of a fluid time. It would be great to get some more clarity on the ones listed by Planespotters as active but which haven’t flown in over a week:

  • Asiana HL7428
  • Atlas N322SG (and N263SG suggested by AV8AJET above)
  • Iraqi Airways YI-AQQ, YI-ASA
  • Lufthansa D-ABVR (as suggested by DABYT)
  • Mahan Air EP-MNB
  • Max Air 5N-ADM, 5N-DBK
  • Rossiya EI-XLJ
  • Thai HS-TGA, HS-TGG

It would also be good to collate for the airlines which have halted 747-400 passenger operations or reduced their fleets since the start of the COVID-19 pandemic where their aircraft are stored:

  • Air China
  • Air India
  • Asiana Airlines
  • Atlas Air (maybe?)
  • British Airways
  • China Airlines
  • Corsair
  • flynas (leased from Terra Avia)
  • Iraqi Airways (maybe?)
  • KLM
  • Korean Air
  • Lufthansa
  • Mahan Air (maybe?)
  • Max Air (maybe?)
  • Qantas
  • Rossiya Russian Airlines
  • Saudi Arabian Airlines (leased from Air Atlanta Icelandic)
  • Thai Airways
  • Virgin Atlantic

What I am thinking is to use this thread to keep track of changes, and then to come back next Sunday and make another list if there are some significant changes or clarifications.

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Re: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread - 2020

Sun Apr 05, 2020 8:25 pm

Not related to the topic directly, but Air Transport Observation telegraph reported on 3rd April that Rossiya plans to retire its 747-400s in 2024. It appears that at least those nine 747s are going to survive hard times.
Link. It's a newsfeed so can't give a direct URL. The report is dated 2020-04-03 15:53.

As for storage place, two weeks ago, when travelling was not yet limited, two Rossiya's 747-400s were visible from M11 highway, being parked somewhere in Sheremetievo. Rossiya is known to have rented eight parking places for 747-400 in Sheremetievo (Link), so presumably all Russian passenger jumbos are stored in SVO.
 
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Re: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread - 2020

Sun Apr 05, 2020 8:38 pm

https://simpleflying.com/virgin-atlanti ... m=facebook

G-VBIG of Virgin Atlantic being chopped at St Athan.
 
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Re: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread - 2020

Sun Apr 05, 2020 9:07 pm

All 4 CI planes "stored" per planespotters.
These were the last 4 pax 744s manufactured

per flightradar24
CI 3 stored at TPE
B18210 last flight from OKA 2/3/20
B18211 last flight 3/8/20 from HKG
B18212 last flight 2/8/20 from SEL

B18215 few from TPE to KHH with a 4 digit flight number 3/19/20, last revenue flight I suspect was
from HKG 3/15
 
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Re: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread - 2020

Wed Apr 08, 2020 10:09 pm

VirginFlyer wrote:
Thank you! At the time I did this (only about 12 hours ago!) D-ABVR and D-ABVX were both listed as stored on Planespotters. -ABVX is now showing active there again (and you are right is on its way to BKK and then on to CHC - New Zealand is one of the top destinations for Lufthansa 747s at the moment!), but -ABVR still shows stored with Flightradar24 showing no flights in the last 7 days. Do you know what is happening with it?

V/F


I don’t know why D-ABVR is listed as stored but she is still active. In fact she’s on her way to BKK as LH 9880 while I’m typing this.
 
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Re: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread - 2020

Wed Apr 08, 2020 11:17 pm

5N-ADM is N128UA. Last 747 UAL took delivery of in 2000. What’s the latest on this bird? Photo of it 2 months ago in MZJ.
 
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Re: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread - 2020

Thu Apr 09, 2020 1:51 am

DABYT wrote:
VirginFlyer wrote:
Thank you! At the time I did this (only about 12 hours ago!) D-ABVR and D-ABVX were both listed as stored on Planespotters. -ABVX is now showing active there again (and you are right is on its way to BKK and then on to CHC - New Zealand is one of the top destinations for Lufthansa 747s at the moment!), but -ABVR still shows stored with Flightradar24 showing no flights in the last 7 days. Do you know what is happening with it?

V/F


I don’t know why D-ABVR is listed as stored but she is still active. In fact she’s on her way to BKK as LH 9880 while I’m typing this.

I suspect it would be because it hadn't flown for more than a week and whoever maintains the list on Planespotters took that as it being in storage. It now has it listed as active.

V/F
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Re: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread - 2020

Thu Apr 09, 2020 5:33 pm

It looks like VH-OEG is preparing for departure to MHV as QF6001. She will be missed.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/vh-oeg

Gabep
 
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Re: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread - 2020

Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:16 pm

One of BA 747 (G-BYGF) flew today from LCA tp LHR , BA3596
 
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Re: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread - 2020

Thu Apr 09, 2020 9:49 pm

gabep wrote:
It looks like VH-OEG is preparing for departure to MHV as QF6001. She will be missed.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/vh-oeg

Gabep


She still here..Looks as though they filed for the flight, but she never took off. Same thing happened on Monday.

She's really resisting this retirement thing..LoL!

Image
 
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Re: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread - 2020

Thu Apr 09, 2020 11:16 pm

Tankdiver wrote:
gabep wrote:
It looks like VH-OEG is preparing for departure to MHV as QF6001. She will be missed.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/vh-oeg

Gabep


She still here..Looks as though they filed for the flight, but she never took off. Same thing happened on Monday.

She's really resisting this retirement thing..LoL!

Image


Hopefully VH-OEG can complete her ferry flight tomorrow to Mojave if mother nature cooperates. There has been a lot of false information posted about these five QF 747-400ers but as of today Qantas still owns them and is planning on returning them to service when coronavirus is over. None have been sold to GE, none have been sold to scrap etc. It's the same reason Qantas has not de-branded and de-registered this one.
 
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Re: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread - 2020

Thu Apr 09, 2020 11:20 pm

cruiseshipcrew wrote:
Tankdiver wrote:
gabep wrote:
It looks like VH-OEG is preparing for departure to MHV as QF6001. She will be missed.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/vh-oeg

Gabep


She still here..Looks as though they filed for the flight, but she never took off. Same thing happened on Monday.

She's really resisting this retirement thing..LoL!

Image


Hopefully VH-OEG can complete her ferry flight tomorrow to Mojave if mother nature cooperates. There has been a lot of false information posted about these five QF 747-400ers but as of today Qantas still owns them and is planning on returning them to service when coronavirus is over. None have been sold to GE, none have been sold to scrap etc. It's the same reason Qantas has not de-branded and de-registered this one.


Thank you
 
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Re: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread - 2020

Thu Apr 09, 2020 11:44 pm

cruiseshipcrew wrote:
Tankdiver wrote:
gabep wrote:
It looks like VH-OEG is preparing for departure to MHV as QF6001. She will be missed.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/vh-oeg

Gabep


She still here..Looks as though they filed for the flight, but she never took off. Same thing happened on Monday.

She's really resisting this retirement thing..LoL!

Image


Hopefully VH-OEG can complete her ferry flight tomorrow to Mojave if mother nature cooperates. There has been a lot of false information posted about these five QF 747-400ers but as of today Qantas still owns them and is planning on returning them to service when coronavirus is over. None have been sold to GE, none have been sold to scrap etc. It's the same reason Qantas has not de-branded and de-registered this one.


Thank you for the update. I'm relieved to see she still has her branding because it is certainly inconsistent with the retirement process Qantas has exhibited in the past. Hopefully, you are correct and she graces the sky again.

Gabep
 
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Re: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread - 2020

Fri Apr 10, 2020 1:50 am

cruiseshipcrew wrote:
Tankdiver wrote:
gabep wrote:
It looks like VH-OEG is preparing for departure to MHV as QF6001. She will be missed.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/vh-oeg

Gabep


She still here..Looks as though they filed for the flight, but she never took off. Same thing happened on Monday.

She's really resisting this retirement thing..LoL!

Image


Hopefully VH-OEG can complete her ferry flight tomorrow to Mojave if mother nature cooperates. There has been a lot of false information posted about these five QF 747-400ers but as of today Qantas still owns them and is planning on returning them to service when coronavirus is over. None have been sold to GE, none have been sold to scrap etc. It's the same reason Qantas has not de-branded and de-registered this one.


That is speculation in itself, do you really think these 5 aircraft will see commercial service again? Not counting repatriation flights they may operate. This virus isn’t going away that quickly and do you really think demand will pick up that quickly. Remember they were due to be retired by the end of this year.

I hope I’m wrong however.
 
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Re: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread - 2020

Fri Apr 10, 2020 2:25 am

ZK-NBT wrote:
cruiseshipcrew wrote:
Tankdiver wrote:

She still here..Looks as though they filed for the flight, but she never took off. Same thing happened on Monday.

She's really resisting this retirement thing..LoL!

Image


Hopefully VH-OEG can complete her ferry flight tomorrow to Mojave if mother nature cooperates. There has been a lot of false information posted about these five QF 747-400ers but as of today Qantas still owns them and is planning on returning them to service when coronavirus is over. None have been sold to GE, none have been sold to scrap etc. It's the same reason Qantas has not de-branded and de-registered this one.


That is speculation in itself, do you really think these 5 aircraft will see commercial service again? Not counting repatriation flights they may operate. This virus isn’t going away that quickly and do you really think demand will pick up that quickly. Remember they were due to be retired by the end of this year.

I hope I’m wrong however.


I understand your thoughts and I could easily see it happening which is why I said at the moment this is the plan. If fuel stays low I actually think some of these airplanes might outlast some of the A380s in the fleet since the capacity won't be needed. Time will tell but like I said at the moment the plan is for them to be held in storage, owned by Qantas, until they plan to return them to service.
 
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Re: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread - 2020

Fri Apr 10, 2020 2:40 am

cruiseshipcrew wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:
cruiseshipcrew wrote:

Hopefully VH-OEG can complete her ferry flight tomorrow to Mojave if mother nature cooperates. There has been a lot of false information posted about these five QF 747-400ers but as of today Qantas still owns them and is planning on returning them to service when coronavirus is over. None have been sold to GE, none have been sold to scrap etc. It's the same reason Qantas has not de-branded and de-registered this one.


That is speculation in itself, do you really think these 5 aircraft will see commercial service again? Not counting repatriation flights they may operate. This virus isn’t going away that quickly and do you really think demand will pick up that quickly. Remember they were due to be retired by the end of this year.

I hope I’m wrong however.


I understand your thoughts and I could easily see it happening which is why I said at the moment this is the plan. If fuel stays low I actually think some of these airplanes might outlast some of the A380s in the fleet since the capacity won't be needed. Time will tell but like I said at the moment the plan is for them to be held in storage, owned by Qantas, until they plan to return them to service.


Yes, they are smaller than the A380, there is speculation about those as well, in the short term as things improve initially I would think just using 789s on long haul would be a start and A330s into Asia if they need more aircraft. Off topic for this thread anyway.

Yes the 744s are stored for now AFAIK, the cabins are older like the older unrefurbished A380s. I’ve thought like you that they could return and outlast the A380s bit tbh I don’t think they will.
 
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Re: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread - 2020

Fri Apr 10, 2020 11:59 pm

I'm preparing the weekly 747-400 passenger update I said I would do (might throw in 747-8s too, for what its worth at the moment). If there are any status updates to particular frames please post them here, as well as any info on where temporarily stored aircraft are. I note Planespotters has all BA 747s as stored now except for G-BYGF.

I'm planning to post it around 07:00 UTC on the 12th.

V/F
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Re: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread - 2020

Sat Apr 11, 2020 1:06 am

VirginFlyer wrote:
I'm preparing the weekly 747-400 passenger update I said I would do (might throw in 747-8s too, for what its worth at the moment). If there are any status updates to particular frames please post them here, as well as any info on where temporarily stored aircraft are. I note Planespotters has all BA 747s as stored now except for G-BYGF.

I'm planning to post it around 07:00 UTC on the 12th.

V/F


Good work. It’s hard to see many pax 744s remaining after this, 20-30 maybe with BA, LH. TG will probably hold on to their mandatory 2-3 to keep the fleet well mixed, I can’t really see the likes of VS, CI, using them again they have 4-6 each, KE, CA, OZ have 1-2 seems unlikely for them to renter service.

Hopefully all 748s remain still, LH, KE also have A380s of which we know LH are getting rid of 6 straight away, leaving 8. KE have 10 748s and 10 A380s and an overall mixed fleet so hopefully the 748 survives.
 
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Re: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread - 2020

Sat Apr 11, 2020 5:26 pm

VH-OEG finally arrived at MHV yesterday:

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/VHOEG
 
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Re: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread - 2020

Sat Apr 11, 2020 5:58 pm

Where did JAL 747s go ?
They used to have a unique version, 747Domestic
 
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Re: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread - 2020

Sat Apr 11, 2020 9:15 pm

VirginFlyer wrote:
I'm preparing the weekly 747-400 passenger update I said I would do (might throw in 747-8s too, for what its worth at the moment). If there are any status updates to particular frames please post them here, as well as any info on where temporarily stored aircraft are. I note Planespotters has all BA 747s as stored now except for G-BYGF.

I'm planning to post it around 07:00 UTC on the 12th.

V/F

KLM's PH-BFT, -BFV will start flying again this Monday. Flights between AMS and PVG/PEK. PH-BFW will join them next weekend; all 3 are combi aircraft.
Only for 6-8 weeks though...
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