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PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Tue Dec 31, 2019 5:13 pm

Welcome to the PIT Update Discussion Thread 2020. Please continue your discussion and to post your updates here.

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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 01, 2020 7:09 pm

New year, new thread. Going to go over my 2019 predictions and see how close I was before I get to my 2020 predictions.
JamesRenard wrote:
My predictions for 2019:

AA drops JFK and RDU completely, with DL commencing service to the latter

DL also adds BDL to replace the service lost after J1's collapse

WN adds MCI after J1's exit from the market

4B expands its presence at PIT, adding MSS and taking HGR away from 9X

G4 adds AZA and AVL

One carrier adds a Caribbean destination that's currently only served by charter airlines, most likely PUJ

Out of all of the above, I was only correct about one (DL starting RDU) and partially correct with another (9X leaving HGR) although it wasn't under the circumstances I'd predicted.

Now, to this year.

I predict that 2020 will be a modest year for gains, especially with the 737 MAX grounding affecting some airlines. I don't think WN will add a new destination from PIT this year. Maybe increased frequency to existing destinations with 1x daily service like DAL and HOU though.

DL will add a destination, either BDL or AUS, as well as expand service to RDU.

I predict that AA will cut RDU altogether if DL adds another flight there, removing the last remaining spoke of PIT's time as a hub.

NK and G4 will continue to expand. I still think a service to AZA is possible with G4.

PIT will gain a permanent non-stop to SAN, but not with F9.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 01, 2020 7:39 pm

I thought AA completely exited the PIT-RDU market.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 01, 2020 8:04 pm

Delta28L wrote:
I thought AA completely exited the PIT-RDU market.

They're still operating one flight a day with a CRJ200.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 01, 2020 8:06 pm

I'll predict:

- Legacy carrier adds LAX
- New cargo airline
- Spirit adds another new route
- Allegiant starts selling their own tickets on PIT-CUN
- BA loads in a 5th weekly flight at the end of the year for S21

Also, AA should have 22 A321neo aircraft delivered to PIT this year including one tomorrow and another within the next week or two.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 01, 2020 8:10 pm

Runway28L wrote:
- Legacy carrier adds LAX


I agree that AA re-adding PIT-LAX nonstop service might be a possibility with (a) WN discontinuing PIT-LAX nonstop service and (b) AA having more market share at LAX than any other airline. DL adding PIT-LAX might also be a possibility with DL having a hub at LAX.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 01, 2020 8:15 pm

JamesRenard wrote:
PIT will gain a permanent non-stop to SAN, but not with F9.


WN adding PIT-SAN nonstop service is a possibility with (a) none of the US3 carriers having a hub or focus city at SAN, (b) SAN being one of the top destinations not currently served nonstop from PIT, and (c) WN having nonstop service out of SAN (on at least a seasonal basis) to some destinations that WN doesn't serve nonstop from LAX such as BOI, HNL, OGG, ORF, OMA, MCO, SEA, and GEG.

AS has been dropping some nonstop routes out of SAN that were in competition with WN nonstop routes out of SAN and adding nonstop service out of SAN to a few West Coast markets not served by WN. If AS adds PIT-SAN nonstop service, AS might face the possibility of a competitive response from WN on the PIT-SAN route and/or AS dropping PIT-SAN nonstop service.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 01, 2020 8:27 pm

My PIT Prediction

The financial costs for the " Modenization " of the terminals continues to climb higher and higher every month and new issues continue to pop up.

https://www.post-gazette.com/business/d ... 1912200130

What started out a billion ends up where ?
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 01, 2020 9:09 pm

Predictions for 2019:

EI finally adds PIT as a seasonal destination

AA cedes PIT-RDU TO DL

F9 drops PIT altogether

Another carrier hops in on PIT-PHL

AA severely reduces frequency on LGA

AA increases service to MIA

UA makes IAD mainline year round

And finally yet another carrier will attempt to hop into the PIT-CUN market


Well I don't think I was right about a single thing. Anywho, here's my 2020 predictions:

AA drops RDU completely (sticking with this one again)

Someone other than EI adds more transatlantic service

Condor bows out of FRA

AA puts the 757 on PHL-PIT again once daily in the summer

And for the grand finale (which I doubt will happen), Ms Cassotis won't end the year as CEO of PIT
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 01, 2020 9:58 pm

crjflyboy wrote:
My PIT Prediction

The financial costs for the " Modenization " of the terminals continues to climb higher and higher every month and new issues continue to pop up.

https://www.post-gazette.com/business/d ... 1912200130

What started out a billion ends up where ?


Probably two billion
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 01, 2020 11:38 pm

For what it's worth, this chat had 35 "pages" of activity in 2019 and 41 in 2018. A slowdown in airline developments reduced the thread count.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 02, 2020 12:32 am

2020 Predictions:

1) DL or AA on PIT-LAX; I lean towards DL as they are not affected by the MAX.
2) Delta Connection adds another point to point route. I'll throw the dart at PIT-IND.
3) American moves more mainline capacity to PIT-MIA
4) BA does announce a 5x daily schedule for S21 to LHR.
5) The new Midwest Express adds PIT-MKE service at the end of the year also.
6) PIT is not one of the first Moxy destinations.
7) Southwest doesn't add anything.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 02, 2020 12:43 am

GSP psgr wrote:
2020 Predictions:
7) Southwest doesn't add anything.


WN adding PIT-AUS and PIT-SAN nonstop service are possibilities once WN has more planes in its fleet with AUS and SAN being two of the top destinations that WN doesn't currently serve nonstop from PIT.

Here were the Q2 2019 PDEW's for PIT-AUS and PIT-SAN:
PIT-AUS - 123 passengers/day
PIT-SAN - 115 passengers/day
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 02, 2020 1:02 am

Whatever happens in 2020 let’s hope it is much better than 2019. What a horrible year it was for air service development. Only one new route was announced, SJD with a whole 5 flights scheduled for 2020 (TYS was announced, operated, and already dropped).

We lost SAN, KEF, and all indicators suggest QR Cargo as well. On the regional side we lost FKL, HGR, MDT, and AVP. Then the highly questionable use of the most prime airport land, immediately west of the terminal for non aviation purposes.

It will be interesting to see if Ms. Cassotis receives another 6 figure bonus in 2020 for performance in 2019.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 02, 2020 2:49 am

Gains and losses for 2019:

01/04: F9 drops MCO and SAN, despite consistent load factors above 90% for the latter
01/07: B6 drops FLL (still served by NK and WN)
01/11: WW drops PIT, before ceasing all operations a couple of months later
03/01: 9X drops AVP
04/02: BA starts LHR
04/11: VC starts BHM, intends to add MEM on 06/25 and BDL on 07/22
04/27: F9 drops PBI
05/03: AA starts mainline to DCA and LGA
05/17: G4 starts TYS as seasonal
05/24: VC drops BHM, delays MEM and BDL indefinately (VC ceases all operations five months later)
08/06: DL starts RDU, already served by AA
08/12: G4 ends TYS, but no plan to resume it in 2020
10/18: 9X drops FKL and HGR after their Essential Air Service contracts are terminated
11/12: F9 drops DEN...
11/14: ... and resumes MCO in its place two days later
11/14: G4 starts (resumes?) PBI
11/??: NK adds additional flight to FLL

Announcements and service changes for 2020:

02/13: NK starts CUN as seasonal
04/22: NK adds additional flight to LAX
07/05: VB starts SJD as seasonal
06/09: NK ends CUN for the season
08/02: VB ends SJD for the season
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 02, 2020 3:24 am

When was the last time any legacy carrier served PIT-LAX?

Going forward, its going to be a little harder to make a business case with NK going double daily on that route.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 02, 2020 3:34 am

Aceskywalker wrote:
When was the last time any legacy carrier served PIT-LAX?

Going forward, its going to be a little harder to make a business case with NK going double daily on that route.

AA last flew PIT-LAX on 02/13/2017.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 02, 2020 5:04 pm

2020 Predictions

DL or AS adds PIT-LAX
DL goes 2X daily PIT-SLC
WN or AS adds PIT-SAN
Service is beefed up to MSY
DUB is announced

More predictions, think these are less likely

SFO goes 3X daily (either UA or AS)
WN or DL adds PIT-AUS
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 02, 2020 5:17 pm

Lemieux wrote:
Predictions for 2019:

Someone other than EI adds more transatlantic service

Condor bows out of FRA



Would kill to see LH push DE off the FRA route, like they have in a few other cities.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 02, 2020 6:06 pm

For PITs sake the airport should focus on expanding its current transatlantic offerings before pursuing others. Get LHR to daily and expand service to FRA before going after other airlines. A route to DUB would no doubt pull significant traffic from the LHR route — hurting both. Connections to 2 European cities from a midsize city is impressive. Pitting 2 European legacy carriers against each other would probably hurt more than it would help, both in the idea of Aer Lingus or Lufthansa. The Condor/British Airways combination is perfect because Condor attracts mostly leisure, while British Airways will attract the business travelers. It’s such a perfect combination that would certainly be ruined should the airport not work to establish and expand those routes before going after others.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 02, 2020 6:11 pm

Have not been following PIT news, but why in the world would an airline add DUB from a city that is small and already has LHR and FRA (ie has way more capacity than similar markets)? Wouldn't they want to enter a place like CLE or STL/MCI to have a monopoly and zap incentive money?
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Fri Jan 03, 2020 1:26 pm

avtcle wrote:
For PITs sake the airport should focus on expanding its current transatlantic offerings before pursuing others. Get LHR to daily and expand service to FRA before going after other airlines. A route to DUB would no doubt pull significant traffic from the LHR route — hurting both. Connections to 2 European cities from a midsize city is impressive. Pitting 2 European legacy carriers against each other would probably hurt more than it would help, both in the idea of Aer Lingus or Lufthansa. The Condor/British Airways combination is perfect because Condor attracts mostly leisure, while British Airways will attract the business travelers. It’s such a perfect combination that would certainly be ruined should the airport not work to establish and expand those routes before going after others.

I agree wholeheartedly that the BA-Condor combo is perfect for PIT. I'm nor sure if BA would necessarily go daily, but at the very least I could see them go to 5x or 6x weekly. Supposedly there's discussion of LH taking over Condor, but I'm not sure how that would pan out for FRA-PIT-FRA service. LH and Condor seem to emply two different models.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Fri Jan 03, 2020 11:25 pm

JamesRenard wrote:
Announcements and service changes for 2020:

02/13: NK starts CUN as seasonal
04/22: NK adds additional flight to LAX
07/05: VB starts SJD as seasonal
06/09: NK ends CUN for the season
08/02: VB ends SJD for the season

As previously stated, one new PIT route was announced in 2019 for 2020.... SJD



stl07 wrote:
Have not been following PIT news, but why in the world would an airline add DUB from a city that is small and already has LHR and FRA (ie has way more capacity than similar markets)? Wouldn't they want to enter a place like CLE or STL/MCI to have a monopoly and zap incentive money?

STL/MCI did not do well to KEF even when it was the sole route to Europe, while PIT-KEF did *ok* even when there where two other routes to Europe. PIT was on the short list for EI; while having DE is great... considering their minimal frequency which pulls in great loads, if they don't increase at this point then EI is more than welcome. You NEVER turn down the chance for new service. BA and EI have the same parent company, I doubt they would be allowed to cannibalize each other too much.



steeler83 wrote:
Supposedly there's discussion of LH taking over Condor, but I'm not sure how that would pan out for FRA-PIT-FRA service. LH and Condor seem to emply two different models.

Is this like last year when another poster stated "there are rumors AF is rumored to reinstate at PIT-CDG route", or something to that affect? The "discussion" about LH/PIT has been nothing but wishful thinking on A.Net; the ACAA will never disclose these details. PIT is no AUS, SAN, or ANC when it comes to LH adding cities served by DE. I'd look for LH to add BWI long before they come to PIT.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Sat Jan 04, 2020 1:42 am

flyPIT wrote:
.....................
steeler83 wrote:
Supposedly there's discussion of LH taking over Condor, but I'm not sure how that would pan out for FRA-PIT-FRA service. LH and Condor seem to emply two different models.

Is this like last year when another poster stated "there are rumors AF is rumored to reinstate at PIT-CDG route", or something to that affect? The "discussion" about LH/PIT has been nothing but wishful thinking on A.Net; the ACAA will never disclose these details. PIT is no AUS, SAN, or ANC when it comes to LH adding cities served by DE. I'd look for LH to add BWI long before they come to PIT.

Seems unlikely LH would add BWI and compromise their routes from nearby IAD and PHL - unless of course MD decides to bribe them with an incentive.
OTOH, It'd be a homer's dream to see this beautiful LH bird scheduled at PIT :
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D3OhENsWsAEn23u.jpg:large
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Sat Jan 04, 2020 2:05 am

acentauri wrote:
Seems unlikely LH would add BWI and compromise their routes from nearby IAD and PHL - unless of course MD decides to bribe them with an incentive.


BA serves BWI in addition to IAD and PHL, with BWI doing exceptionally well for them. DE serves BWI 4x weekly at peak and it is my guess for the next LH takeover over of a DE city, along with PDX. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see LH at PIT.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Sat Jan 04, 2020 2:32 am

flyPIT wrote:
STL/MCI did not do well to KEF even when it was the sole route to Europe, while PIT-KEF did *ok* even when there where two other routes to Europe. PIT was on the short list for EI; while having DE is great... considering their minimal frequency which pulls in great loads, if they don't increase at this point then EI is more than welcome. You NEVER turn down the chance for new service. BA and EI have the same parent company, I doubt they would be allowed to cannibalize each other too much.


So, maybe PIT ends up seeing alternating 4x/weekly BA to LHR/3x weekly EI to DUB?
2019: DAL, MCI, PHX, LAS, DFW, SAT, ORD, SLC, SEA, DTW, PHL, MIA, LAX; B73G (WN x3), B738 (WN, AA, DL), A20N (NK), MD83 (AA), B788 (AA x2), CS1 (DL), B739 (DL), B712 (DL), B752 (AA), B763 (AA), B77W (AA), B789 (AA)
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Sat Jan 04, 2020 3:19 am

flyPIT wrote:
acentauri wrote:
Seems unlikely LH would add BWI and compromise their routes from nearby IAD and PHL - unless of course MD decides to bribe them with an incentive.


BA serves BWI in addition to IAD and PHL, with BWI doing exceptionally well for them. DE serves BWI 4x weekly at peak and it is my guess for the next LH takeover over of a DE city, along with PDX. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see LH at PIT.

This seems to refute your above highlighted claim. Maryland has been paying BA subsidies (stop loss guarantees) for many years. https://www.bizjournals.com/baltimore/n ... ar-to.html
It is no Einstein prediction that some DE only cities may be taken over with LH flights. DE was essentially on the verge of insolvency, until LH recently provided a 6 month Bridge Loan.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Sat Jan 04, 2020 5:44 pm

acentauri wrote:
This seems to refute your above highlighted claim. Maryland has been paying BA subsidies (stop loss guarantees) for many years. https://www.bizjournals.com/baltimore/n ... ar-to.html
It is no Einstein prediction that some DE only cities may be taken over with LH flights. DE was essentially on the verge of insolvency, until LH recently provided a 6 month Bridge Loan.

That article is 4 years old, did not state that any payments have been made since 2014, the route is often upgauged to a B772, DE is not "on the verge of insolvency", and LH did not provide a bridge loan.
https://condor-newsroom.condor.com/en/us/news-article/condor-increases-profit-passenger-numbers-and-load-factor-1/
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Sat Jan 04, 2020 6:54 pm

ctrabs0114 wrote:
flyPIT wrote:
STL/MCI did not do well to KEF even when it was the sole route to Europe, while PIT-KEF did *ok* even when there where two other routes to Europe. PIT was on the short list for EI; while having DE is great... considering their minimal frequency which pulls in great loads, if they don't increase at this point then EI is more than welcome. You NEVER turn down the chance for new service. BA and EI have the same parent company, I doubt they would be allowed to cannibalize each other too much.


So, maybe PIT ends up seeing alternating 4x/weekly BA to LHR/3x weekly EI to DUB?


IF EI were to enter the market I would suspect that it would be as indicated above. There has been no indication of any BA plans to increase frequency. That doesn't mean that they won't but there have been no leaks or internal discussion. The flight is doing well in terms of both pax and cargo. I expect very high loads again this summer. If anything changes I would expect a frequency increase over an upgauge. There is only a 3 seat diifernce between the 788 and 789. The 789 is too premium heavy for the market while the 772 is too big. The 781 is both too big and too premium heavy. A 4x/week 788 and 2-3x/ week 321 does have the potential to be an effective strategy.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Sat Jan 04, 2020 7:07 pm

flyPIT wrote:
You NEVER turn down the chance for new service.

You do when it involves writing yet another big check with public dollars for the frivolity of saying, "we now have service to DUB" ...at least until the subsidy money runs out again.

Flaps wrote:
ctrabs0114 wrote:
flyPIT wrote:
STL/MCI did not do well to KEF even when it was the sole route to Europe, while PIT-KEF did *ok* even when there where two other routes to Europe. PIT was on the short list for EI; while having DE is great... considering their minimal frequency which pulls in great loads, if they don't increase at this point then EI is more than welcome. You NEVER turn down the chance for new service. BA and EI have the same parent company, I doubt they would be allowed to cannibalize each other too much.


So, maybe PIT ends up seeing alternating 4x/weekly BA to LHR/3x weekly EI to DUB?


IF EI were to enter the market I would suspect that it would be as indicated above.

What exactly would PIT be gaining then? Writing another check to IAG so they can chase DE off PIT-FRA (who is currently operating the route at risk and without subsidy) for 1 additional weekly flight and likely fewer overall seats? As said above, the DE/BA combo right now is a really good mix for PIT and should be allowed mature.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Sun Jan 05, 2020 12:37 am

flyguy89 wrote:
flyPIT wrote:
You NEVER turn down the chance for new service.

You do when it involves writing yet another big check with public dollars for the frivolity of saying, "we now have service to DUB" ...at least until the subsidy money runs out again.

If you think having nonstop service to an additional major city in Europe is frivolous. Thankfully the ACAA and SWPA leaders don’t think like that.

Also, if DUB were to occur I think we would see a similar situation we saw with KEF. That is a huge increase in O&D due to the existence of a nonstop. So much so that half the plane would be O&D. I don’t think DE gets affected too much if DUB gets added. There are different connecting flows as well. FRA is considerably east of DUB.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Sun Jan 05, 2020 7:22 am

flyPIT wrote:
acentauri wrote:
This seems to refute your above highlighted claim. Maryland has been paying BA subsidies (stop loss guarantees) for many years. https://www.bizjournals.com/baltimore/n ... ar-to.html
It is no Einstein prediction that some DE only cities may be taken over with LH flights. DE was essentially on the verge of insolvency, until LH recently provided a 6 month Bridge Loan.

That article is 4 years old, did not state that any payments have been made since 2014, the route is often upgauged to a B772, DE is not "on the verge of insolvency", and LH did not provide a bridge loan.
https://condor-newsroom.condor.com/en/us/news-article/condor-increases-profit-passenger-numbers-and-load-factor-1/

The reference does not refute anything that I posted - again you're grasping at straws.
flyPIT wrote:
acentauri wrote:
Seems unlikely LH would add BWI and compromise their routes from nearby IAD and PHL - unless of course MD decides to bribe them with an incentive.


BA serves BWI in addition to IAD and PHL, with BWI doing exceptionally well for them. DE serves BWI 4x weekly at peak and it is my guess for the next LH takeover over of a DE city, along with PDX. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see LH at PIT.

And you know this how ?? The BWI BA flight was subsidized for years by the State (and may still be) .
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Sun Jan 05, 2020 8:40 am

acentauri wrote:
The reference does not refute anything that I posted - again you're grasping at straws.

The reference directly refuted your assertion that DE is in poor financial shape. It directly refuted your claim that Lufthansa directly supported a bridge loan. If you don't even know that LH has nothing to do with the ownership of DE and hasn't for years then I don't even know why I'm bothering with you.


acentauri wrote:
flyPIT wrote:

BA serves BWI in addition to IAD and PHL, with BWI doing exceptionally well for them. DE serves BWI 4x weekly at peak and it is my guess for the next LH takeover over of a DE city, along with PDX. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see LH at PIT.

And you know this how ?? The BWI BA flight was subsidized for years by the State (and may still be) .

"And still may be?" Now you're even contradicting yourself. BA has been at BWI continuously in one form or another since 1985, operates the route daily year round, has some of the highest LF's in BA's US network, routinely sees B772 upgauges, and according to your own article has not received a subsidy payment since 2014.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Mon Jan 06, 2020 4:30 pm

Guess it is time for a review of last year's predictions and predict what this year may bring.
My 2019 predictions:
*G4 adds more routes - DAB/FLL/AZA/LAS/EWR (well they added other destinations)
*DL adds RDU (Happened)
*AA drops RDU and sticks only to the hubs (oh so close)
*WN adds Saturday only service to SAN (Nothing)
*UA no major changes
*AS no changes (Announced 2nd daily seasonal flight to SEA)
*WW will remain (eh this was a bummer)
*F9 drops PIT all together (They keep getting close but PIT seems to stay on their crazy dart board)
*NK adds MSY/AUS/ORD/PBI/JAX (CUN seasonal)
*VC adds more destinations (well they went bust)
*Announcement of Moxy having a presence in PIT (Nothing)
*Some more cargo frequencies (There seems to have been some aircraft upgauging)


Here are my 2020 predictions:
*Terminal Modernization goes close to 2 billion if not over
*Southern Airways Express shrinks to a fraction of their operation they ended 2019 with
*G4 adds/announces a few more destinations (AZA/LAS/BNA maybe announce an international destination)
*AA finally pulls the plug on RDU
*NK adds/announces a few more destinations (AUS/MSY/DFW/IAH)
*AS announces SAN or LAX
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Mon Jan 06, 2020 6:03 pm

Air Canada tomorrow is running two of the three YYZ flights tomorrow on Q300s and YUL is being ran with a Q400. Good opportunity to see rare Dash 8 visits to PIT.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/AC7920
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/AC7922
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/AC8170
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Mon Jan 06, 2020 6:31 pm

Runway28L wrote:
Air Canada tomorrow is running two of the three YYZ flights tomorrow on Q300s and YUL is being ran with a Q400. Good opportunity to see rare Dash 8 visits to PIT.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/AC7920
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/AC7922
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/AC8170


I wish they ran more flights on the Dash 8 instead of the CRJ's.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 09, 2020 5:42 am

Any update on whether or not the Qatar cargo flight is still happening, it looks like every flight going to Pittsburgh has been diverted to either Chicago or Luxembourg
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 09, 2020 8:05 am

flyPIT wrote:
acentauri wrote:
The reference does not refute anything that I posted - again you're grasping at straws.

The reference directly refuted your assertion that DE is in poor financial shape. It directly refuted your claim that Lufthansa directly supported a bridge loan. If you don't even know that LH has nothing to do with the ownership of DE and hasn't for years then I don't even know why I'm bothering with you.


acentauri wrote:
flyPIT wrote:

BA serves BWI in addition to IAD and PHL, with BWI doing exceptionally well for them. DE serves BWI 4x weekly at peak and it is my guess for the next LH takeover over of a DE city, along with PDX. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see LH at PIT.

And you know this how ?? The BWI BA flight was subsidized for years by the State (and may still be) .

"And still may be?" Now you're even contradicting yourself. BA has been at BWI continuously in one form or another since 1985, operates the route daily year round, has some of the highest LF's in BA's US network, routinely sees B772 upgauges, and according to your own article has not received a subsidy payment since 2014.

Your Rant is illogical and has no basis of Fact. It provides absolutely zero proof by reference that any of my statements are incorrect.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 09, 2020 10:55 am

dabpit wrote:
Guess it is time for a review of last year's predictions and predict what this year may bring.
My 2019 predictions:
*WN adds Saturday only service to SAN (Nothing)

Here are my 2020 predictions:
*AS announces SAN or LAX


Even though SAN is one of the top destinations not currently served nonstop from PIT, one reason why WN hasn't yet added PIT-SAN nonstop service is due to the plane shortage resulting from the 737 MAX grounding.

WN adding PIT-SAN nonstop service is a possibility with WN already having a customer base in both the PIT and SAN markets to support PIT-SAN nonstop service and with SAN being one of the top destinations not currently served nonstop from PIT.

I would probably expect there to be a competitive response from WN on PIT-SAN if AS adds PIT-SAN nonstop service before WN does with WN having a FF base in both the PIT and SAN markets.

BOS, KOA, and LIH are also the only destinations served by both WN and AS that have nonstop service out of SAN on AS but not on WN.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 09, 2020 11:26 am

"Qatar Airways temporarily suspends Pittsburgh International Airport cargo flights "
https://www.post-gazette.com/business/development/2020/01/09/Qatar-Airways-Pittsburgh-International-Airport-cargo-subsidies/stories/202001080146

"Allegheny County Airport Authority officials confirmed Wednesday that the twice-weekly flights are “on a temporary service suspension during the off-peak season.”"
The period leading up to Christmas peak is "off season", especially when the number one client's (EFL) main business is the shipment of retail clothing???

PIT has been completely removed from the latest QR Cargo timetable, released a few days ago:
https://www.qrcargo.com/docs/04.%20Winter%2019%20Freighter%20Schedule%20Issue%204.pdf

The Allegheny Institute will have a field day on this one.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 09, 2020 12:19 pm

On the TMP front, looks like they are planning to greatly increase the terminal's roadway capacity, roof overhang, and placement of pedestrian corridor from parking.

Initial:
Image

Revised:
Image

Also, not digging the removal of the floor to ceiling glass facade on the southern (and presumably northern) sides of the building.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 09, 2020 5:15 pm

Based on those TMP photos, it looks like they are removing the outdoor area. You can see what looks like a table and chairs in the initial picture. Unless the outdoor area is now enclosed, which makes sense. Just cannot really tell from the updated picture. They also have that planter box that is elevated significantly in the new photo. Wonder why that was added.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 09, 2020 5:46 pm

PITfall wrote:
Based on those TMP photos, it looks like they are removing the outdoor area. You can see what looks like a table and chairs in the initial picture. Unless the outdoor area is now enclosed, which makes sense. Just cannot really tell from the updated picture. They also have that planter box that is elevated significantly in the new photo. Wonder why that was added.


My guess is part safety barrier, part visual element to break up the cost saving cut back of all the glass?
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Fri Jan 10, 2020 1:45 pm

AaronPGH wrote:
PITfall wrote:
Based on those TMP photos, it looks like they are removing the outdoor area. You can see what looks like a table and chairs in the initial picture. Unless the outdoor area is now enclosed, which makes sense. Just cannot really tell from the updated picture. They also have that planter box that is elevated significantly in the new photo. Wonder why that was added.


My guess is part safety barrier, part visual element to break up the cost saving cut back of all the glass?

I keep going back and forth between the two images, and it looks like they have a shadow effect on that image. It looks like the roof overhang is casting a shadow on the glass(???). IT looks like there's still glass there albeit darker due to that effect. I agree that eliminating all the glass would be a bit of a bummer if that is the case.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Sat Jan 11, 2020 12:11 am

steeler83 wrote:
I keep going back and forth between the two images, and it looks like they have a shadow effect on that image. It looks like the roof overhang is casting a shadow on the glass(???). IT looks like there's still glass there albeit darker due to that effect. I agree that eliminating all the glass would be a bit of a bummer if that is the case.


I think you may be right. It also appears to me that the building is longer in the revised image. Compare where the building ends in relation to the elevated roadway support columns as well as the upper level sidewalk.. The sidewalk comparison is easy to see in this copy of the original image:
Image

Remember, the airlines recently requested a 40% increase in ticketing space. It would explain why the raised outdoor area is now gone. It would be nice if they add it back in but doubling the size of the elevated roadway will add quite a bit of cost to the project.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Mon Jan 13, 2020 2:54 pm

AA subbing in a B752 for an A319 from DFW this afternoon.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/AA1551
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Tue Jan 14, 2020 4:05 am

Allegiant adding service to MEM, ORF, and BNA. MEM and ORF will run May 21 - Aug 16 on Thursday / Sunday. BNA will run May 22nd - Nov 16 on Monday / Friday.

https://blueskypit.com/2020/01/13/five- ... s-growing/
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Tue Jan 14, 2020 2:01 pm

UPS will continue to operate their second SDF-PIT morning flight post Peak for the immediate future. The 757 positions back to SDF.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Tue Jan 14, 2020 3:42 pm

This Qatar Amiri A330-200 is currently parked at Atlantic.

 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Tue Jan 14, 2020 3:58 pm

Awesome announcement by G4! it is great to see BNA, MEM, and ORF added. No surprise on BNA, only slightly surprised on MEM and ORF. I really hope people take full advantage of these flights.
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