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krod031
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Sun Feb 02, 2020 1:24 pm

Per Enrilas OAG Thread, PIT-RDU on AA going back to double daily in June. Thought they would of ended this route before adding a 2nd flight.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Tue Feb 04, 2020 6:04 am

Southern Airways is reportedly interested in some routes from ALB including PIT:
https://m.timesunion.com/business/artic ... 026785.php
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Wed Feb 05, 2020 3:32 pm

Not sure if I missed this, but the Airport released their 2020 budget book. If i read it correctly, the notable changes i read are:

Landing Fee Rate jumped 39 cents, from 2.61 to 3.01
Enplaned Passengers estimated to be 5.013 Million
And Average Cost of enplanement is $9.29, down from 10.35

https://flypittsburgh.com/wp-content/up ... t_Book.pdf
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Wed Feb 05, 2020 3:46 pm

flyPIT wrote:
Southern Airways is reportedly interested in some routes from ALB including PIT:
https://m.timesunion.com/business/artic ... 026785.php


A 3 hour flight on one engine Cessna Grand Caravan sounds wonderful ...

How much money will PIT throw at this idea ?

After all ... bonus pay for the director is in play for any new destinations regardless of how long it works
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Wed Feb 05, 2020 5:27 pm

Contour Airlines is starting service IND-PIT

https://businessfacilities.com/2020/02/ ... l-airport/
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Fri Feb 07, 2020 3:44 pm

New flypittsburgh.com is live. Nothing earth shattering, but it is a cleaner design.

https://flypittsburgh.com/
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Sat Feb 08, 2020 2:15 am

PITfall wrote:
Contour Airlines is starting service IND-PIT

https://businessfacilities.com/2020/02/ ... l-airport/

Interesting to read that Contour is resuming IND-PIT but under their own brand instead of OneJet. Did OneJet ever fly the Embraers on the IND-PIT route before they folded?
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Sun Feb 09, 2020 2:15 pm

AA upgrading PIT-RDU to CR7 equipment starting May 4.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Sun Feb 09, 2020 5:02 pm

JamesRenard wrote:
PITfall wrote:
Contour Airlines is starting service IND-PIT

https://businessfacilities.com/2020/02/ ... l-airport/

Interesting to read that Contour is resuming IND-PIT but under their own brand instead of OneJet. Did OneJet ever fly the Embraers on the IND-PIT route before they folded?


I believe OneJet only flew IND-PIT with their 5 seater Beechjets (I think thats what it is called) and Ultimate's Dorniers.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Sun Feb 09, 2020 6:06 pm

zackary747 wrote:
JamesRenard wrote:
PITfall wrote:
Contour Airlines is starting service IND-PIT

https://businessfacilities.com/2020/02/ ... l-airport/

Interesting to read that Contour is resuming IND-PIT but under their own brand instead of OneJet. Did OneJet ever fly the Embraers on the IND-PIT route before they folded?


I believe OneJet only flew IND-PIT with their 5 seater Beechjets (I think thats what it is called) and Ultimate's Dorniers.


Cherry picking from the Indy thread, but the timing on the IND-PIT flights makes it pretty tough for business travelers. On weekdays, the flight departs IND at 12:15 PM. The flight departs PIT at 2 PM. This timing is better suited for a leisure traveler.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Sun Feb 09, 2020 6:49 pm

PITfall wrote:
zackary747 wrote:
JamesRenard wrote:
Interesting to read that Contour is resuming IND-PIT but under their own brand instead of OneJet. Did OneJet ever fly the Embraers on the IND-PIT route before they folded?


I believe OneJet only flew IND-PIT with their 5 seater Beechjets (I think thats what it is called) and Ultimate's Dorniers.


Cherry picking from the Indy thread, but the timing on the IND-PIT flights makes it pretty tough for business travelers. On weekdays, the flight departs IND at 12:15 PM. The flight departs PIT at 2 PM. This timing is better suited for a leisure traveler.


Not the market they claimed they were after
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Sun Feb 09, 2020 8:13 pm

Runway28L wrote:
AA upgrading PIT-RDU to CR7 equipment starting May 4.

Love how every year we all predict this route gets cancelled by AA, yet it just won't die lol
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Sun Feb 09, 2020 11:00 pm

*Some* have predicted its demise. Others have stated there is no reason for AA to drop it (even with DL entering) and as little as a couple weeks ago stated AA could do with increasing capacity on the route :smile:
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Mon Feb 10, 2020 3:12 am

Duplicate post
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Mon Feb 10, 2020 5:50 am

Found this interesting gem in an article on WN's overall network:

"With 9% connecting, Orlando had by far the lowest [percentage of connecting travelers]. This is no surprise given both its destination focus and also its geographic position that clearly limits potential connections with reasonable circuity – at least within the US mainland. Indeed, around 250,000 connected over Orlando to/from San Juan, Puerto Rico, and about 100,000 to/from Jamaica. Seven of its top-ten markets over Orlando involved San Juan, led by Pittsburgh – San Juan. Fort Lauderdale – Islip was its top US-US connecting market."

Somehow, I never thought of PIT-MCO-SJU as a major connecting route on WN, but there you go.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Mon Feb 10, 2020 8:00 pm

The anna aero site also has this interesting item about IND and underserved destinations, in which PIT is 5th on the list. Th new IND-PIT service might be more of an IND effort than the ACAA.
https://www.anna.aero/2020/01/24/indian ... pproaches/
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Tue Feb 11, 2020 7:52 am

For those not up to speed on developments at Breeze:

The carrier will begin scheduled flights on routes between “points east of the Mississippi river and primarily north-south,” Breeze told U.S. regulators in its application for an air carrier’s certificate dated Feb. 7 and released publicly Monday.


The application does specify any cities Breeze that is eyeing for initial flights. A map included in the filing shows major U.S. metropolitan areas that gained or lost airline seats between 2007 and 2017, with many areas in the Great Lakes and Ohio Valley — including Cincinnati (CVG), Cleveland (CLE) and Pittsburgh (PIT) — shown as having lost seats”

https://thepointsguy.com/news/breeze-ai ... stern-usa/

I think PIT has a great shot at having a significant presence for Breeze, especially because we do not have quite the ULCC love CLE has.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Tue Feb 11, 2020 12:04 pm

flyPIT wrote:
For those not up to speed on developments at Breeze:

The carrier will begin scheduled flights on routes between “points east of the Mississippi river and primarily north-south,” Breeze told U.S. regulators in its application for an air carrier’s certificate dated Feb. 7 and released publicly Monday.


The application does specify any cities Breeze that is eyeing for initial flights. A map included in the filing shows major U.S. metropolitan areas that gained or lost airline seats between 2007 and 2017, with many areas in the Great Lakes and Ohio Valley — including Cincinnati (CVG), Cleveland (CLE) and Pittsburgh (PIT) — shown as having lost seats”

https://thepointsguy.com/news/breeze-ai ... stern-usa/

I think PIT has a great shot at having a significant presence for Breeze, especially because we do not have quite the ULCC love CLE has.

North-south routes lead me to believe lot's of Florida.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Tue Feb 11, 2020 1:05 pm

Looks like Allegiant 2.0. Lots of point-to-point flying and probably at about 3x weekly or 1x or 2x daily depending on the city pairs they serve. I wish them the best of luck.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Tue Feb 11, 2020 4:04 pm

flyPIT wrote:
I think PIT has a great shot at having a significant presence for Breeze, especially because we do not have quite the ULCC love CLE has.


I'm hopeful too, could this be the answer to other airlines like not giving PIT chances. I would love to see PDX/LAX/SAN on the A220's. Maybe AUS/SAT/MSY? I'd guess that some Florida would creep in based on the sheer amount of leisure traffic. I'm always hopeful for some PHL/NYC competition.

I think I read the range of the 220's is ~7h, could PIT-Western Europe work? LIS/DUB/KEF?
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Tue Feb 11, 2020 4:10 pm

PITexpress wrote:
I would love to see PDX/LAX/SAN on the A220's. Maybe AUS/SAT/MSY?


From the recent Cranky Flier interview, it seems like they have some of those longer thin routes in mind for the A220s when they arrive. That was screaming PIT-SAN, especially.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Tue Feb 11, 2020 7:11 pm

AaronPGH wrote:
PITexpress wrote:
I would love to see PDX/LAX/SAN on the A220's. Maybe AUS/SAT/MSY?


From the recent Cranky Flier interview, it seems like they have some of those longer thin routes in mind for the A220s when they arrive. That was screaming PIT-SAN, especially.


You're director is demolishing the gates BREEZE will need to have a footprint at PIT
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Tue Feb 11, 2020 9:08 pm

crjflyboy wrote:
AaronPGH wrote:
PITexpress wrote:
I would love to see PDX/LAX/SAN on the A220's. Maybe AUS/SAT/MSY?


From the recent Cranky Flier interview, it seems like they have some of those longer thin routes in mind for the A220s when they arrive. That was screaming PIT-SAN, especially.


You're director is demolishing the gates BREEZE will need to have a footprint at PIT


Oh please... we have lost a few gates so far in this process and yet there is still an entire knuckle not being used as well as two gates on the A knuckle with no bridges. The knuckles being removed are the very last things to happen and Breeze will have plenty of time to come in and set up shop if they want before that happens. The airport has already said that they are open to keeping them if the demand warrants it.

As it is now, those high number gates on A are only used for RON aircraft. They are not used throughout the day.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Tue Feb 11, 2020 9:13 pm

flightsimer wrote:
crjflyboy wrote:
AaronPGH wrote:

From the recent Cranky Flier interview, it seems like they have some of those longer thin routes in mind for the A220s when they arrive. That was screaming PIT-SAN, especially.


You're director is demolishing the gates BREEZE will need to have a footprint at PIT


Oh please... we have lost a few gates so far in this process and yet there is still an entire knuckle not being used as well as two gates on the A knuckle with no bridges. The knuckles being removed are the very last things to happen and Breeze will have plenty of time to come in and set up shop if they want before that happens. The airport has already said that they are open to keeping them if the demand warrants it.

As it is now, those high number gates on A are only used for RON aircraft. They are not used throughout the day.


24 gates being demolished is not a few

https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/f ... 663823001/
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Tue Feb 11, 2020 11:10 pm

75 gates at PIT
39 not being used
Eliminate 24
The leaves 15 available
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Tue Feb 11, 2020 11:14 pm

If Neeleman and Breeze wanna make their mark here, PIT will find a way to accommodate them even if there weren't enough gates. Truly and honestly that simple.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Tue Feb 11, 2020 11:23 pm

Yeah, only 12 gates have been eliminated with the new terminal footprint - the proposal to eliminate the ends of A and B is probably one of the last parts of the project that will be done anyway, and could obviously be re-evaluated between now and that point.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Tue Feb 11, 2020 11:38 pm

Even if they demolish the ends of A and B we have 51 gates left and a capacity of 18 million. MSY and IND gate count is in the 30’s.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Tue Feb 11, 2020 11:54 pm

Breeze sort of sounds like it kind of wants to be the JetBlue of the Midwest. That could bode well for PIT, which is probably the most undereserved domestically of the dead hub cities (STL, PIT, CVG, CLE), with the best facilities.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Wed Feb 12, 2020 1:30 am

July 2019 intl data
AC PIT-YUL 79% YUL-PIT 83%
AC PIT-YYZ 77% YYZ-PIT 84%

G4 PIT-CUN 89% CUN-PIT 87%
G4 PIT-POP 72% POP-PIT 75%
G4 PIT-PUJ 49% PUJ-PIT 53%

BA PIT-LHR 77% LHR-PIT 93%

DE PIT-FRA 92% DE FRA-PIT 97%
(Very strong month for Condor)

VB PIT-CUN 97% CUN-PIT 95%

October 2019 domestic data as well. I only have time to include a few down below:

UA PIT-SFO 90% SFO-PIT 89%
AS PIT-SEA 88% SEA-PIT 87%
NK PIT-LAX 79% LAX-PIT 82%
DL PIT-SLC 92% SLC-PIT 95%

AA PIT-RDU 91% RDU-PIT 81%
DL PIT-RDU 84% RDU-PIT 78%

NK PIT-FLL 90% FLL-PIT 88%
NK PIT-MCO 95% MCO-PIT 89%

DL PIT-BOS 68% BOS-PIT 67%
B6 PIT-BOS 75% BOS-PIT 76%
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Wed Feb 12, 2020 1:48 am

Also, I hate to turn this into a Breeze thread, but here's some additional information I found interesting which includes hypothetical plans for a PVD base:
https://www.golocalprov.com/business/Ne ... oming-to-P

While the TPG article did mention former hub airports like PIT, this site seems to indicate Breeze was looking at secondary airports like BKL/USA/ISP. This makes me wonder if Breeze would also have interest in LBE.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Wed Feb 12, 2020 1:55 am

Theories on PIT LHR differential loads?? When I see something like that I wonder about the quality of the raw data, it makes no sense to me.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Wed Feb 12, 2020 2:34 am

ncflyer wrote:
Theories on PIT LHR differential loads?? When I see something like that I wonder about the quality of the raw data, it makes no sense to me.


That’s the way it is for most transatlantic routes in July. July is a heavy inbound month for European tourists visiting the states. June is a heavier US outbound month for US tourists visiting Europe.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Thu Feb 13, 2020 4:00 am

Spirit launches 3x weekly year-round service to CUN tomorrow morning.
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/NK1064

UPS is running an A306 to PHL tonight and there also appears to be one scheduled for the inbound tomorrow morning. Temporary or permanent upgrade?
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/5X1153
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/5X1154
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Thu Feb 13, 2020 6:56 am

As of now the UPS PIT-PHL flight reverts back to a 757 next week. The second SDF-PIT flight remains on the schedule. This flight was driven by increased Amazon business that shifted from the loss of FX.


1,500 new IT and pharma jobs are coming to the airport corridor:
https://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2020/02/06/connectiverx-north-fayette-jobs/


Google Earth updated their imagery. New developments visible at PIT include the C-17 hangar, C-17 parking stands, reconstructed C pad, Cargo 3 ramp and associated taxiway extension, and "Neighborhood 91" site prep. Nice to see the full parking lots.


Purely anecdotal but I just did a PIT-LAX-PIT r/t on NK as part of a larger itinerary. Outbound about 100 empty seats, although it was Superbowl Sunday. But the return was not much better, I'd say about half empty. Not very encouraging.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Thu Feb 13, 2020 2:30 pm

If anyone has been following along, there's some pretty major news this morning.
http://news.aa.com/news/news-details/20 ... fault.aspx
https://thepointsguy.com/news/alaska-ai ... ican-pact/

The biggest is AS will be joining oneworld in S21 and AA will establish a full network codeshare with them. OW is likely going to end up with a nice presence here at PIT with AS/AA/BA.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Thu Feb 13, 2020 3:38 pm

GSP psgr wrote:
Breeze sort of sounds like it kind of wants to be the JetBlue of the Midwest. That could bode well for PIT, which is probably the most undereserved domestically of the dead hub cities (STL, PIT, CVG, CLE), with the best facilities.


I'm a little more skeptical with Breeze. I would be surprised if they were going to add more than a handful of routes and take that many gates. Do we really think they'd go for more than 2-3 gates max? The argument that the ACAA shouldn't demolish any gates is one that we've been making for a while - however I think we all realize that it's pretty unlikely that an airline is going to swoop in and take us to capacity.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Thu Feb 13, 2020 5:04 pm

WOW on the AS oneworld thing. I am not a fan of AA at all, but I am loving their recent willingness to fight back with Delta.

If you are just staring at the lines on a map, the OW presence in PIT starts to look somewhat like a focus city.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Thu Feb 13, 2020 5:19 pm

Runway28L wrote:
If anyone has been following along, there's some pretty major news this morning.
http://news.aa.com/news/news-details/20 ... fault.aspx
https://thepointsguy.com/news/alaska-ai ... ican-pact/

The biggest is AS will be joining oneworld in S21 and AA will establish a full network codeshare with them. OW is likely going to end up with a nice presence here at PIT with AS/AA/BA.


Could really make things interesting at PIT as you say. It will be very nice for the PIT AAdvantage members as they could use their miles on AS' PIT-SEA. Those are usable with other OneWorld members, right?
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Thu Feb 13, 2020 6:10 pm

ncflyer wrote:
Theories on PIT LHR differential loads?? When I see something like that I wonder about the quality of the raw data, it makes no sense to me.

One big thing about flying into a smaller airport internationally is the customs and immigration wait times being lower and more people would take the direct flight into Pittsburgh to skip the long lines, but on the flights out people would most likely want to fly out of a bigger airport for better flights, and this might sound weird but for the duty free shopping
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Thu Feb 13, 2020 7:31 pm

Regarding AS joining OW and any impact on PIT, what am I missing??? A combined AA/AS network adds only one route to PIT. Hardly approaching a focus city and nothing that IND, CMH, and others aren't gaining as well. BWI otoh would look more like an AS/AA focus city. Now if AA maintained PIT-BOS/LAX and maybe CUN for the frequent flyers and BA increases to daily then perhaps we would look more like a focus city.

If there is an added benefit I see it at LAX where AA suddenly gains increased critical mass and gates to make PIT-:LAX more feasible.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Thu Feb 13, 2020 8:00 pm

Is there a chance at AS instead of AA starting LAX-PIT service?
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Thu Feb 13, 2020 8:09 pm

duplicate post - not sure why that happened...
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Thu Feb 13, 2020 8:21 pm

flyPIT wrote:
Even if they demolish the ends of A and B we have 51 gates left and a capacity of 18 million. MSY and IND gate count is in the 30’s.

IND= 42 gates plus two additional aux. gates.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Thu Feb 13, 2020 8:31 pm

WN PIT-PHX NS is gone in June through the end of the booking window....
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Thu Feb 13, 2020 9:36 pm

flyPIT wrote:
Regarding AS joining OW and any impact on PIT, what am I missing??? A combined AA/AS network adds only one route to PIT. Hardly approaching a focus city and nothing that IND, CMH, and others aren't gaining as well. BWI otoh would look more like an AS/AA focus city. Now if AA maintained PIT-BOS/LAX and maybe CUN for the frequent flyers and BA increases to daily then perhaps we would look more like a focus city.

If there is an added benefit I see it at LAX where AA suddenly gains increased critical mass and gates to make PIT-:LAX more feasible.

:checkmark:

If anything, this may make LAX on AA more viable, or summer-only PDX on AS.

krod031 wrote:
WN PIT-PHX NS is gone in June through the end of the booking window....

Yep. BNA cut down to 1x daily as well.

AA also chopped their PIT-PHX flight down to 1x daily again in their May schedule update.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Thu Feb 13, 2020 9:59 pm

I really wish WN would get on with it and start adding Airbuses. When an airline's single-type fleet reaches such critical mass the efficiencies become less and less. In other words, having 1,000 737s instead of 500 737s and 500 A320s does not bring the same relative savings that having 20 737's does over having 10 737s and 10 A320s.

On the ACAA website I noticed they eliminated all reference to QR Cargo and also eliminated the China Charter page (no surprise there). I like the route map better but there are mistakes. SEA and CUN need to be updated (I know they read this).
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Thu Feb 13, 2020 10:11 pm

Runway28L wrote:
flyPIT wrote:
Regarding AS joining OW and any impact on PIT, what am I missing??? A combined AA/AS network adds only one route to PIT. Hardly approaching a focus city and nothing that IND, CMH, and others aren't gaining as well. BWI otoh would look more like an AS/AA focus city. Now if AA maintained PIT-BOS/LAX and maybe CUN for the frequent flyers and BA increases to daily then perhaps we would look more like a focus city.

If there is an added benefit I see it at LAX where AA suddenly gains increased critical mass and gates to make PIT-:LAX more feasible.

:checkmark:

If anything, this may make LAX on AA more viable, or summer-only PDX on AS.

krod031 wrote:
WN PIT-PHX NS is gone in June through the end of the booking window....

Yep. BNA cut down to 1x daily as well.

AA also chopped their PIT-PHX flight down to 1x daily again in their May schedule update.


Wow... either WN is preparing for a longer time without the MAX or PIT isn't really as much of a priority for WN.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Thu Feb 13, 2020 10:25 pm

ctrabs0114 wrote:
Runway28L wrote:
flyPIT wrote:
Regarding AS joining OW and any impact on PIT, what am I missing??? A combined AA/AS network adds only one route to PIT. Hardly approaching a focus city and nothing that IND, CMH, and others aren't gaining as well. BWI otoh would look more like an AS/AA focus city. Now if AA maintained PIT-BOS/LAX and maybe CUN for the frequent flyers and BA increases to daily then perhaps we would look more like a focus city.

If there is an added benefit I see it at LAX where AA suddenly gains increased critical mass and gates to make PIT-:LAX more feasible.

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If anything, this may make LAX on AA more viable, or summer-only PDX on AS.

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WN PIT-PHX NS is gone in June through the end of the booking window....

Yep. BNA cut down to 1x daily as well.

AA also chopped their PIT-PHX flight down to 1x daily again in their May schedule update.


Wow... either WN is preparing for a longer time without the MAX or PIT isn't really as much of a priority for WN.

1) PIT is not a priority at all for WN. Hawaii and CA are the priority. 2) The MAX is out of the schedule until August 10th as of now. It will take WN a long while to ramp up MAX operations once it can go back into service and in all honesty, it may not be back into service until Fall or Winter.

The next schedule extension is March 12th and I would look for no additions and maybe even some more cuts.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Fri Feb 14, 2020 4:11 pm

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You're director is demolishing the gates BREEZE will need to have a footprint at PIT


Oh please... we have lost a few gates so far in this process and yet there is still an entire knuckle not being used as well as two gates on the A knuckle with no bridges. The knuckles being removed are the very last things to happen and Breeze will have plenty of time to come in and set up shop if they want before that happens. The airport has already said that they are open to keeping them if the demand warrants it.

As it is now, those high number gates on A are only used for RON aircraft. They are not used throughout the day.


24 gates being demolished is not a few

https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/f ... 663823001/

That’s IF they demolish the knuckles.

The airport has specifically said they will keep them if someone decides to come in with enough demand to warrant them staying.

The knuckles are slated to be the very last things done as a part of the project. At minimum they will not be going away for at least another 2.5 years.

So the only gates we have lost so far are the western gates on C/D.


The other thing is all gates in the new terminal are slated to be common use. I’m sure some will be permanently assigned to the likes of AA/DL/UA/SWA, but any gate theoretically will be able to accommodate any airline. That drops the amount of gates required down from the current useage.
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