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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Fri Feb 14, 2020 4:17 pm

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Purely anecdotal but I just did a PIT-LAX-PIT r/t on NK as part of a larger itinerary. Outbound about 100 empty seats, although it was Superbowl Sunday. But the return was not much better, I'd say about half empty. Not very encouraging.
I was on the flight with you on Sunday lol. 93 open is what I was told by a buddy when i asked for the loads the day prior.

However when I flew it this past Thursday, there was only 10-15 open, if that. Never did fly it east bound so I couldn’t say with those.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Fri Feb 14, 2020 5:12 pm

It would be truly awesome if someone would express interest in opening a focus city at PIT, something that would warrant keeping the knuckles open, but I'm not seeing that happening. Maybe AS might add a destination or two, but I doubt it. I'm not exactly holding my breath for someone like Contour or Breeze either. There's discussion in another thread about AA possibly building up some of their non-hub markets, but they seem to be doing so with RDU and BOS to a degree. That kinda makes sense, altho they'd be going head to head with DL at both RDU and BOS.

That said, Pittsburgh may not be as large of a tech hub like BOS, RDU, or AUS, but it is growing. Hopefully it won't be too long before it turns someone's head...
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Sat Feb 15, 2020 11:45 pm

Apple Vacations' POP flight resumed today.
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/G47005

Vacation Express' CUN flight also resumes tonight. New spring service in addition to the existing summer service.
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/VB26
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Sun Feb 16, 2020 4:54 pm

UA updated their June schedule earlier today. Both SFO flights are getting upgraded to 739s and DEN is being increased back up to 3x daily flights.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Sun Feb 16, 2020 6:54 pm

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UA updated their June schedule earlier today. Both SFO flights are getting upgraded to 739s and DEN is being increased back up to 3x daily flights.

Seems like the UA increase on DEN-PIT could be due to the WN cut on the same route, or vice-versa.

Speaking of cuts, AA decreasing PHX-PIT to 1x daily and WN dropping it completely is just asking for G4 to launch AZA-PIT.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Mon Feb 17, 2020 7:32 pm

I'm thinking UA is routing some of those passengers through DEN with that added frequency. I imagine there are some viable connection options through there. I was about to say the same thing about upgauging PIT-SFO, but anyone bound for PHX on those flights would have to back-track. So I'm thinking that probably to accommodate higher local traffic or more Asia-bound travelers...
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Mon Feb 17, 2020 9:15 pm

I would be surprised if Denver drops below 3x daily from this point on. The loads are always high, and UA is really trying to scale up out there.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Mon Feb 17, 2020 9:45 pm

Here's a good timeline for the TMP works:

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https://triblive.com/local/pittsburgh-allegheny/travelers-to-see-prep-work-for-new-terminal-at-pittsburgh-international-airport/

I didn't realize taxiway B would be closed for the duration, but it doesn't look like it will have an impact on normal airfield operations:
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Amazon is reportedly eyeing the former Westinghouse campus in Churchill. If true this would be their 3rd local new distribution center announced within a year:
https://www.wpxi.com/news/business/sources-amazon-developer-pursuing-property-parkway-east-potential-last-mile-facility/6GFOID3WPBFKFCGROPIYGXNNX4/



JamesRenard wrote:
Speaking of cuts, AA decreasing PHX-PIT to 1x daily and WN dropping it completely is just asking for G4 to launch AZA-PIT.

I think I read somewhere that G4 still does not overnight crews so any route needs to be a turn. PIT-LAS/AZA could have happened long ago if it was a bit shorter. The most likely is AA just maintain 2x daily.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Tue Feb 18, 2020 5:24 am

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AA upgrading PIT-RDU to CR7 equipment starting May 4.

Moved up to March 5 it looks like per AA.com.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Tue Feb 18, 2020 12:47 pm

I'm guessing 28R would be used for takeoffs and maybe landings, provided no aircraft would need that taxiway for repositioning? I suppose they could just taxi down the runway and then navigate a very tight U-ie right at the end of the runway. I forget if that's a 150-foot or 200-foot-wide runway...
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Tue Feb 18, 2020 4:51 pm

In depth Forbes article on “Neighborhood 91”:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/richblake1 ... 2345725863
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Tue Feb 18, 2020 5:14 pm

10L/28R is 10,502ft long by 150ft wide. 10R/28L is the only 200ft wide rwy at PIT
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Wed Feb 19, 2020 3:05 pm

BA170 departed 11 hours late this morning. Any particular reason why?
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/BAW170

FWIW today’s flight has been swapped to the -9.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Thu Feb 20, 2020 3:57 am

Some good news. G4 AUS-PIT is showing up through to the end of the booking window (last bookable flight is currently Sep 4th). The season ended Aug 11th last year, so either it's getting an extension or it's reverting back to year-round.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Thu Feb 20, 2020 11:28 pm

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I'm guessing 28R would be used for takeoffs and maybe landings, provided no aircraft would need that taxiway for repositioning? I suppose they could just taxi down the runway and then navigate a very tight U-ie right at the end of the runway. I forget if that's a 150-foot or 200-foot-wide runway...

There is nothing that operates into PIT that would Intentionally land on 28R that can’t make a 180 on that size runway if they couldn’t stop by the last reverse high speed. 28R only really makes sense for Delta, Southwest, fedex feeder and Dick’s flights, everyone else is better off using 28L or 32.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Fri Feb 21, 2020 11:33 pm

December, and therefore 2019 total numbers have finally been released.

Total passengers up 5.2% for Dec which puts 2019 totals up 1.2% at 9,779,024.
Cargo up an impressive 17% for Dec.
https://flypittsburgh.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/December_2019_Short_E-Mail_Report.pdf


January also released. Total passengers up 3.2% which I think is a pretty good start to the year considering the MAX cutbacks.
https://flypittsburgh.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/January_2020_Short_E-Mail_Report.pdf
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Sat Feb 22, 2020 5:49 pm

I expect passenger numbers will be up quite a bit over the next couple of months and then calm down in April.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Sat Feb 22, 2020 6:34 pm

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I expect passenger numbers will be up quite a bit over the next couple of months and then calm down in April.
February and March 2019: WOW already ended, BA not started yet
February and March 2020: BA service in full swing


BA service began on April 2.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Sat Feb 22, 2020 7:26 pm

Flaps wrote:
BA service began on April 2.

Yes, I know.
I'm saying that passenger numbers for February and March this year will be much higher compared to February and March last year because there wasn't any transatlantic service at all during those two months.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Sun Feb 23, 2020 2:23 pm

What's driving the Jan domestic growth +3%?
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Sun Feb 23, 2020 2:47 pm

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What's driving the Jan domestic growth +3%?


I would guess the excellent weather helps that. Last year was a fairly rough winter. This year winter forgot to show up. If there is a snowflake within 100 miles of LGA, JFK, EWR and to a lesser extent BOS, MDW, and ORD...many regional flights are canceled to/from those cities each week. The weather has been great this year.

For me personally, my domestic travel from PIT is up significantly this year due to the WN 737-Max Portal...but that is a whole separate discussion. lol
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Sun Feb 23, 2020 6:04 pm

JamesRenard wrote:
Flaps wrote:
BA service began on April 2.

Yes, I know.
I'm saying that passenger numbers for February and March this year will be much higher compared to February and March last year because there wasn't any transatlantic service at all during those two months.


Yeah. I misread your post. As soon as I hit submit I realized my error and submitted a delete request. Apparently the a-net gestapo refused.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Sun Feb 23, 2020 9:59 pm

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PITfall wrote:
What's driving the Jan domestic growth +3%?


I would guess the excellent weather helps that. Last year was a fairly rough winter. This year winter forgot to show up. If there is a snowflake within 100 miles of LGA, JFK, EWR and to a lesser extent BOS, MDW, and ORD...many regional flights are canceled to/from those cities each week. The weather has been great this year.

For me personally, my domestic travel from PIT is up significantly this year due to the WN 737-Max Portal...but that is a whole separate discussion. lol

WOW's last flight from PIT was on Jan 11th 2019, so the last half of that month had no transatlantic service, whereas the entirity of Jan 2020 did. That probably also contributed.

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Yeah. I misread your post. As soon as I hit submit I realized my error and submitted a delete request. Apparently the a-net gestapo refused.

No worries, it happens.

This week's OAG thread shows a slight increase for NK on MYR-PIT. Amazingly, AA JFK-PIT is going >1x daily in Apr. I did some further searching on Google flights, it'll be 3x daily on Mar 29th, then going 2x daily from Mar 30th through to Apr 24th. Pretty good for a route that was cut for practically all of Apr last year.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Sun Feb 23, 2020 10:04 pm

JamesRenard wrote:
pgh234 wrote:
PITfall wrote:
What's driving the Jan domestic growth +3%?


I would guess the excellent weather helps that. Last year was a fairly rough winter. This year winter forgot to show up. If there is a snowflake within 100 miles of LGA, JFK, EWR and to a lesser extent BOS, MDW, and ORD...many regional flights are canceled to/from those cities each week. The weather has been great this year.

For me personally, my domestic travel from PIT is up significantly this year due to the WN 737-Max Portal...but that is a whole separate discussion. lol

WOW's last flight from PIT was on Jan 11th 2019, so the last half of that month had no transatlantic service, whereas the entirity of Jan 2020 did. That probably also contributed.

Flaps wrote:
Yeah. I misread your post. As soon as I hit submit I realized my error and submitted a delete request. Apparently the a-net gestapo refused.

No worries, it happens.

This week's OAG thread shows a slight increase for NK on MYR-PIT. Amazingly, AA JFK-PIT is going >1x daily in Apr. I did some further searching on Google flights, it'll be 3x daily on Mar 29th, then going 2x daily from Mar 30th through to Apr 24th. Pretty good for a route that was cut for practically all of Apr last year.


Spring break upgrades.....makes total sense. I wonder if they're upgrading the equipment also. It's a daily E140 at present....thanks for the heads-up.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Sun Feb 23, 2020 11:00 pm

USPIT10L wrote:
JamesRenard wrote:
This week's OAG thread shows a slight increase for NK on MYR-PIT. Amazingly, AA JFK-PIT is going >1x daily in Apr. I did some further searching on Google flights, it'll be 3x daily on Mar 29th, then going 2x daily from Mar 30th through to Apr 24th. Pretty good for a route that was cut for practically all of Apr last year.


Spring break upgrades.....makes total sense. I wonder if they're upgrading the equipment also. It's a daily E140 at present....thanks for the heads-up.

Just had another look at Google flights, AA will be at 2x daily ERJ-140.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Sun Feb 23, 2020 11:08 pm

Your posted schedule was correct. Not surprising they'd add another JFK to the rotation, they did it over Christmas, too.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Mon Feb 24, 2020 5:12 pm

Saw another post that Trans States Airlines is shutting down at the end of 2020. I wonder if this will cause the termination of the PIT-RDU flight on AA.....

Edited to add: Disregard. I thought this flight was operated by TSA, Not PSA Airlines.... Whoops.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Mon Feb 24, 2020 10:23 pm

AA is apparently sending A321neo deliveries to TUL for induction instead of PIT. I can't wait to hear the logic behind that decision...
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Mon Feb 24, 2020 10:59 pm

Duplicate post. Please delete.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Thu Feb 27, 2020 9:53 am

With LH dropping cooperation with DE, I can't help but think that the PIT-FRA route is now on thin ice. How is that route going to work without onward connections on LH? Is there enough O&D with FRA to keep it alive?
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Thu Feb 27, 2020 7:41 pm

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With LH dropping cooperation with DE, I can't help but think that the PIT-FRA route is now on thin ice. How is that route going to work without onward connections on LH? Is there enough O&D with FRA to keep it alive?

Not sure why you think this. Did you know that they were acquired by PAG/PGL (Polish Airlines Group, owner of LOT)

https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... uys-condor

Per LOT, they're looking to replace the entire fleet of aging 767s with upwards of 20 new long-haul aircraft (I'm guessing 787s). Plus, for what it's worth, Condor will have access to LOT's network. I'm not sure if that will necessarily mean they (LOT) might set up a small operation at FRA to complement Condor or not. Again, just putting this out there.
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Thu Feb 27, 2020 7:50 pm

LO and LH do not work well together. LH won't even let UA/AC codeshare with LOT or let them join the transatlantic JV. This is beginning to look like a costly business decision by LOT's parent company. Without LH feed, any FRA route is toast where there is no local O&D.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Thu Feb 27, 2020 7:53 pm

USPIT10L wrote:
LO and LH do not work well together. LH won't even let UA/AC codeshare with LOT or let them join the transatlantic JV. This is beginning to look like a costly business decision by LOT's parent company. Without LH feed, any FRA route is toast where there is no local O&D.


LOT should leave Star Alliance and join Oneworld and launch a partnership with American Airlines so they can have (some) feed on their ORD/PHL-BUD and ORD-KRK flights :rotfl:
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Thu Feb 27, 2020 8:02 pm

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AA is apparently sending A321neo deliveries to TUL for induction instead of PIT. I can't wait to hear the logic behind that decision...


Probably to keep level of work up and the mechanics happy since they don’t have as much work since the MAX is still grounded and the Mad dogs all are gone.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Fri Feb 28, 2020 5:15 am

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Not sure why you think this. Did you know that they were acquired by PAG/PGL (Polish Airlines Group, owner of LOT)



The benefit of the DE PIT-FRA route is having one stop connections to LH's huge network out of the FRA hub. With LH cutting DE off, it's going to drastically drop traffic on the flight. There's not enough people getting off the plane in Frankfurt to keep that flight afloat.

Second, LOT's hub is not in FRA, so the tie up with LOT is basically useless for connections. Maybe I'm way off, but I really don't know how this route survives after this summer. The LH + DE agreement ends in 2021.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Fri Feb 28, 2020 5:25 am

AaronPGH wrote:
steeler83 wrote:
Not sure why you think this. Did you know that they were acquired by PAG/PGL (Polish Airlines Group, owner of LOT)



The benefit of the DE PIT-FRA route is having one stop connections to LH's huge network out of the FRA hub. With LH cutting DE off, it's going to drastically drop traffic on the flight. There's not enough people getting off the plane in Frankfurt to keep that flight afloat.

Second, LOT's hub is not in FRA, so the tie up with LOT is basically useless for connections. Maybe I'm way off, but I really don't know how this route survives after this summer. The LH + DE agreement ends in 2021.


Same with other routes like BWI and us here at MSY. These routes depend greatly on the connections provided by LH. The best hope of seeing continued FRA service after the agreement ends is having EW or LH start up the route. That may or may not be in the cards.
 
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Fri Feb 28, 2020 5:29 am

Normally I'd doubt LH picking up these routes, but they're clearly pissed about this situation and may try to dismantle Condor.
 
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Fri Feb 28, 2020 1:53 pm

I'm just trying to understand what happened here. If I understand this, LH and DE were working together, and it looked like LH was in position to acquire DE. DE, however, pursued LOT. I can see how this would piss off LH.

I was thinking about what I'd posted earlier. LH + DE made more sense; a lot more sense. That goes without saying. I'm just trying to figure out why they thought going with LOT was a better choice. As folks have stated here, LOT doesn't have any feed; their main hub is WAW; not in FRA. Are they considering putting some kind of an operation at FRA? Just trying to make some kind of sense out of this. Right now, I really can't...
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Fri Feb 28, 2020 2:07 pm

LH has an established record of challenging DE in their N America markets, and taking over in short order. AUS, SAN, PHX, ANC, etc.

Why would LH discontinue their DE code share if they were not interested in keeping up this strategy? With LFs ranging from high 90's to 100% last summer, DE under served PIT-FRA. I think the strategy of LH is to continue doing what they have been doing, and that is a good thing for PIT.
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Fri Feb 28, 2020 7:21 pm

"Why would LH discontinue their DE code share if they were not interested in keeping up this stragegy?" - The argument here is that POL is acquiring DE, and LH isn't happy with that at all. They announced their code share would end in 2021 based on other posts.

"With LFs ranging from high 90s to 100% last summer, DE underserved PIT-FRA. I think the strategy of LH is to continue doing what they have been doing, and that is a good thing for PIT" - Much of that traffic apparently is connecting to other flights on LH through their code share with DE. Without that code share, that traffic drops off, and those flights are no longer feasible.

Altho... I would like to see the source that said this code share agreement was ending next year...
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Fri Feb 28, 2020 7:53 pm

Most of what I've been getting on ghe LOT/Condor acquisition is from the thread on that subject. IINM, DE inly has a FF and interline sgreement with LH. LH used to list DE flight in their timetable when they owned a stake of Condor. That stopped after Thomas Cook bought Condor.
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Sat Feb 29, 2020 5:29 am

steeler83 wrote:
"Why would LH discontinue their DE code share if they were not interested in keeping up this stragegy?" - The argument here is that POL is acquiring DE, and LH isn't happy with that at all. They announced their code share would end in 2021 based on other posts.

"With LFs ranging from high 90s to 100% last summer, DE underserved PIT-FRA. I think the strategy of LH is to continue doing what they have been doing, and that is a good thing for PIT" - Much of that traffic apparently is connecting to other flights on LH through their code share with DE. Without that code share, that traffic drops off, and those flights are no longer feasible.

Altho... I would like to see the source that said this code share agreement was ending next year...



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Sat Feb 29, 2020 12:37 pm

steeler83 wrote:
"Why would LH discontinue their DE code share if they were not interested in keeping up this stragegy?" - The argument here is that POL is acquiring DE, and LH isn't happy with that at all. They announced their code share would end in 2021 based on other posts.

"With LFs ranging from high 90s to 100% last summer, DE underserved PIT-FRA. I think the strategy of LH is to continue doing what they have been doing, and that is a good thing for PIT" - Much of that traffic apparently is connecting to other flights on LH through their code share with DE. Without that code share, that traffic drops off, and those flights are no longer feasible.

Altho... I would like to see the source that said this code share agreement was ending next year...

My point is... obviously not clear enough.. that LH has been targeting DE for quite some time, and very successfully. By eliminating the code share LH can encroach on DE markets even more consdiering DE no longer has the feed and LH does.
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Sat Feb 29, 2020 1:06 pm

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AA is apparently sending A321neo deliveries to TUL for induction instead of PIT. I can't wait to hear the logic behind that decision...

What was the logic in sending them to PIT to begin with?

Meanwhile in Tulsa....
https://www.dallasnews.com/business/airlines/2020/02/28/american-airlines-is-spending-more-than-a-half-billion-dollars-on-its-tulsa-maintenance-base/

With every passing day the PIT AA mx base is outliving its useful life.
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Sat Feb 29, 2020 4:54 pm

I don't mean to argue semantics, but do you guys realize the difference between a codeshare (which DE never had on this route) and an interline agreement (which they have with multiple airlines, including LH)? It makes all the difference on this route and many other cities DE flies to in the US and Canada. An interline agreement only helps so much in filling seats outbound. A codeshare agreement has much more coordination than an interline does. Interline basically just links the bags. The outbound check-in agents have no ability to print out boarding passes or change seats on other airlines most of the time, you're basically attaching another ticket to the reservation. I was simply to trying to add context to the situation. Thanks in advance.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Sun Mar 01, 2020 12:55 am

flyPIT wrote:
ctrabs0114 wrote:
AA is apparently sending A321neo deliveries to TUL for induction instead of PIT. I can't wait to hear the logic behind that decision...

What was the logic in sending them to PIT to begin with?

Meanwhile in Tulsa....
https://www.dallasnews.com/business/airlines/2020/02/28/american-airlines-is-spending-more-than-a-half-billion-dollars-on-its-tulsa-maintenance-base/

With every passing day the PIT AA mx base is outliving its useful life.

I remember last year when American was going to send their NEOs to PIT because of PIT's track record in fixing planes, PIT also made sense to fly since PIT is close enough to Europe that they could fly non stop, saving fuel
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:43 pm

AS has extended double daily SEA-PIT out to October 7.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Mon Mar 02, 2020 3:38 am

flyPIT wrote:
ctrabs0114 wrote:
AA is apparently sending A321neo deliveries to TUL for induction instead of PIT. I can't wait to hear the logic behind that decision...

What was the logic in sending them to PIT to begin with?

Meanwhile in Tulsa....
https://www.dallasnews.com/business/airlines/2020/02/28/american-airlines-is-spending-more-than-a-half-billion-dollars-on-its-tulsa-maintenance-base/

With every passing day the PIT AA mx base is outliving its useful life.


Courtesy of tax revenues from the City of Tulsa:

https://www.tulsaworld.com/business/mod ... 0feb6.html
2019: DAL, MCI, PHX, LAS, DFW, SAT, ORD, SLC, SEA, DTW, PHL, MIA, LAX; B73G (WN x3), B738 (WN, AA, DL), A20N (NK), MD83 (AA), B788 (AA x2), CS1 (DL), B739 (DL), B712 (DL), B752 (AA), B763 (AA), B77W (AA), B789 (AA)
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Mon Mar 02, 2020 3:40 am

Gsasala wrote:
flyPIT wrote:
ctrabs0114 wrote:
AA is apparently sending A321neo deliveries to TUL for induction instead of PIT. I can't wait to hear the logic behind that decision...

What was the logic in sending them to PIT to begin with?

Meanwhile in Tulsa....
https://www.dallasnews.com/business/airlines/2020/02/28/american-airlines-is-spending-more-than-a-half-billion-dollars-on-its-tulsa-maintenance-base/

With every passing day the PIT AA mx base is outliving its useful life.

I remember last year when American was going to send their NEOs to PIT because of PIT's track record in fixing planes, PIT also made sense to fly since PIT is close enough to Europe that they could fly non stop, saving fuel


And PIT has always been an Airbus mx base dating back to US days. Now, PIT is becoming less and less relevant in AA's eyes...
2019: DAL, MCI, PHX, LAS, DFW, SAT, ORD, SLC, SEA, DTW, PHL, MIA, LAX; B73G (WN x3), B738 (WN, AA, DL), A20N (NK), MD83 (AA), B788 (AA x2), CS1 (DL), B739 (DL), B712 (DL), B752 (AA), B763 (AA), B77W (AA), B789 (AA)
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2020

Mon Mar 02, 2020 8:50 am

ctrabs0114 wrote:

Courtesy of tax revenues from the City of Tulsa:

https://www.tulsaworld.com/business/mod ... 0feb6.html


That was an article from over a year ago about a $2.7 million hole in a hanger door. TUL can tax credit that all they want.

What I linked was a $500 million dollar PRIVATE expansion to a 70 year old maintenance base. Unrelated.
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