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Re: Indiana State Aviation Thread - 2020

Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2020 6:33 pm
by freakyrat
DiamondFlyer wrote:
FWAERJ wrote:
freakyrat wrote:

DL ATL-SBN 3 >4 SEP DL SBN-ATL 3 >4 SEP

Ditto for FWA. 2 morning CR2 departures, a midday CR9 departure, and an evening CR2.

All operated by Endeavor/9E.


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At least they'll have a better quality product, in terms of on-time performance.


This was the original plan pre-Covid to give all SBN flying for ATL and MSP flights to Endeavor flown with CRJ9's and leave Skywest handle the short length DTW flights with CRJ2's. With AA flying Skywest CRJ7's to DFW and PSA flying CRJ9's and CRJ7's to CLT with First Class seating DL is going to have to eventually offer a similar product to ATL because AA did not cut back flying much at SBN because of Covid which DL did and I suspect some of DL's ATL passengers switched to AA and connected in CLT and may not be back.

Re: Indiana State Aviation Thread - 2020

Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2020 10:22 pm
by FWAERJ
freakyrat wrote:
DiamondFlyer wrote:
FWAERJ wrote:
Ditto for FWA. 2 morning CR2 departures, a midday CR9 departure, and an evening CR2.

All operated by Endeavor/9E.


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At least they'll have a better quality product, in terms of on-time performance.


This was the original plan pre-Covid to give all SBN flying for ATL and MSP flights to Endeavor flown with CRJ9's and leave Skywest handle the short length DTW flights with CRJ2's. With AA flying Skywest CRJ7's to DFW and PSA flying CRJ9's and CRJ7's to CLT with First Class seating DL is going to have to eventually offer a similar product to ATL because AA did not cut back flying much at SBN because of Covid which DL did and I suspect some of DL's ATL passengers switched to AA and connected in CLT and may not be back.

Same at FWA. AA never cut DFW, made only slight ORD cuts, and temporarily cut one CLT flight. The only destination that was temporarily suspended was PHL, which returns next month at 1x on the high O&D morning to PHL/evening to FWA flight.

DL and UA were as low as one CR2 each to DTW and ORD, respectively, this past April. AA had at least five flights - most on CR7s.


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Re: Indiana State Aviation Thread - 2020

Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2020 9:26 pm
by freakyrat
Skywest's CRJ900 N692CA and N899SK are both enroute from storage, SBN to MSP for reintroduction into the Delta Connection fleet.

Re: Indiana State Aviation Thread - 2020

Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2020 12:17 am
by freakyrat
Skywest's CRJ900 N161PQ SBN-SLC and N162PQ SBN-MSP proposed on JUL17 to leave storage at SBN for reintroduction into Delta Connection service.

Re: Indiana State Aviation Thread - 2020

Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2020 4:52 pm
by freakyrat
DL just did a schedule update for September SBN-MSP is not coming back just yet SBN-ATL will be flown twice daily and SBN-DTW 3 times daily. All CRJ's

FWA-ATL 3 daily flights 2 CRJ's and 1 CRJ900. FWA-DTW 3 daily flights

Re: Indiana State Aviation Thread - 2020

Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2020 4:54 pm
by FWAERJ
freakyrat wrote:
DL just did a schedule update for September SBN-MSP is not coming back just yet SBN-ATL will be flown twice daily and SBN-DTW 3 times daily.

I assume FWA is similar.


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Re: Indiana State Aviation Thread - 2020

Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2020 2:37 am
by freakyrat
Last year SBN repaved the taxiways and other areas around the UPS ramp and may have repaved their ramp. Rumor has it that in September or October the 757 is going bye bye to be replaced by an Airbus A300. Must be due to a steady increase in freight from Amazon Prime and other busineses.

Re: Indiana State Aviation Thread - 2020

Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2020 2:40 am
by FlyingElvii
Indy going back into Phase 2 lockdown until at least August 12th.

Re: Indiana State Aviation Thread - 2020

Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2020 2:43 am
by FWAERJ
freakyrat wrote:
Last year SBN repaved the taxiways and other areas around the UPS ramp and may have repaved their ramp. Rumor has it that in September or October the 757 is going bye bye to be replaced by an Airbus A300. Must be due to a steady increase in freight from Amazon Prime and other busineses.

FWA will see the change to the A300, too, as UPS routes SDF-FWA-SBN-FWA-SDF.

Until now, G4 was the only airline flying any Airbus jet on a regularly scheduled basis (excluding holiday/Notre Dame upgauges) into either SBN or FWA.

At FWA, I expect Amazon Prime Air to come to FWA soon, probably with the 738. Amazon has two FWA-area delivery centers in Allen County coming online, the first one (DIN6 near FWA) opening in early fall, followed by a smaller DIN7 in Huntertown near Parkview Regional Medical Center.


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Re: Indiana State Aviation Thread - 2020

Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2020 11:29 am
by freakyrat
Packages are big business in SBN at UPS. I understand that they have been swamped with packages and freight at the airport scince February and have had to occasionally bring one of their 75's over from ORD to fly it back to ORD with the overflow hence the need for a bigger aircraft. If they are making the stop in FWA they also do not need to take that much fuel which lightens the load off of SBN's 8,400 ft Rwy. Yesterday was the first day I saw a Sun Country 738 here at AFW painted up in Amazon Prime Air colors.

Freight is a big business. Last September Omni Air flew a B777F N/S from SBN to Japan and made two trips. I talked to some pilots from Omni Air and they said the aircraft had plenty of power to get off the Rwy at SBN and made the trips with ease.

Re: Indiana State Aviation Thread - 2020

Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2020 11:44 pm
by freakyrat
N187PQ one of the OO CRJ900's left storage at SBN for MSP and is scheduled tomorrow for a MSP-BOI Delta Connection R/T. At one time SBN had 23 of these Delta Connection CRJ900's parked. They are now down to only 6.

Re: Indiana State Aviation Thread - 2020

Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2020 10:35 pm
by freakyrat
The following OO CRJ900's DCI fleet are still parked at SBN. N800SK, N806SK, N822SK, N831SK, N833SK and N548CA. One of these fine jets N831SK is leaving tomorrow 7/30/20 for MSP for reintroduction into DCI service.

Re: Indiana State Aviation Thread - 2020

Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2020 2:43 am
by freakyrat
freakyrat wrote:
The following OO CRJ900's DCI fleet are still parked at SBN. N800SK, N806SK, N822SK, N831SK, N833SK and N548CA. One of these fine jets N831SK is leaving tomorrow 7/30/20 for MSP for reintroduction into DCI service.


N833SK leaving tomorrow 7/31/20 from SBN for MSP. This means that OO is down to just 4 of the CRJ900's still in storage at SBN

Re: Indiana State Aviation Thread - 2020

Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2020 4:47 pm
by freakyrat
At one time SBN had 23 Skywest CRJ900 Delta Connection jets parked. All of them have left except 4. Most flew to SLC and MSP. I only tracked the ones flying for Delta and the ones parked at SBN. Two of the remaining 4 CRJ9's at SBN, N800SK and N822SK are leaving for DTW this evening leaving N806SK and N548CA as the only ones left.

Re: Indiana State Aviation Thread - 2020

Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2020 7:53 pm
by freakyrat
I stand corrected. There are still 5 of the Skywest CRJ900's still parked at SBN. Three are leaving today. N800SK, N822SK and N833SK. All are filed to DTW but N833SK is also filed to MSP. This leaves N806SK and N548CA still parked in storage at SBN. At one time there were 23 of these jets parked at SBN.

Re: Indiana State Aviation Thread - 2020

Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2020 2:53 pm
by freakyrat
Massive flight cuts at UA for SEP due to the Pandemic: SBN-ORD where they had planned 9 daily flights now down to 4 for FWA -ORD where they had planned 3 daily flights now down to 2. IND-ORD from 8-4 daily flights, IND-IAH 4-2 daily flights, IND-EWR 6-2 daily flights and EVV-ORD 3-2 daily flights

Re: Indiana State Aviation Thread - 2020

Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2020 11:31 pm
by freakyrat

Re: Indiana State Aviation Thread - 2020

Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2020 1:54 am
by freakyrat
SKW4611 a Delta Connection CRJ900 (N548CA) will be leaving SBN tonight for DTW for reintroduction into revenue service. This leaves only 1 CRJ900, N806SK still stored at SBN.

Re: Indiana State Aviation Thread - 2020

Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2020 12:44 pm
by freakyrat
AA released their October schedule temporarily susoending service to 15 small/medium sized markets. All airports in Indiana are retaining their full AA service.

Re: Indiana State Aviation Thread - 2020

Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2020 3:39 pm
by alancostello
freakyrat wrote:
AA released their October schedule temporarily susoending service to 15 small/medium sized markets. All airports in Indiana are retaining their full AA service.


Kalamazoo/Battle Creek has lost their AA service, so we might see a slight uptick through SBN for those on the south/south west side of Michigan, I'd imagine those on the northern side of Kalamazoo will primarily go to Gerald R. Ford Airport in Grand Rapids which has significantly more destinations as well as some mainline service.

Re: Indiana State Aviation Thread - 2020

Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2020 6:24 pm
by freakyrat
alancostello wrote:
freakyrat wrote:
AA released their October schedule temporarily susoending service to 15 small/medium sized markets. All airports in Indiana are retaining their full AA service.


Kalamazoo/Battle Creek has lost their AA service, so we might see a slight uptick through SBN for those on the south/south west side of Michigan, I'd imagine those on the northern side of Kalamazoo will primarily go to Gerald R. Ford Airport in Grand Rapids which has significantly more destinations as well as some mainline service.


Those on the South and Southwest side of Michigan that have business in Texas or the Carolinas would possibly come to SBN to take AA's nonstops to CLT and DFW. The DFW flights are not as full as they were pre-Covid but tend to get a lot of last minute business people especially for the First Class seats.

Re: Indiana State Aviation Thread - 2020

Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2020 12:59 am
by freakyrat
alancostello wrote:
freakyrat wrote:
AA released their October schedule temporarily susoending service to 15 small/medium sized markets. All airports in Indiana are retaining their full AA service.


Kalamazoo/Battle Creek has lost their AA service, so we might see a slight uptick through SBN for those on the south/south west side of Michigan, I'd imagine those on the northern side of Kalamazoo will primarily go to Gerald R. Ford Airport in Grand Rapids which has significantly more destinations as well as some mainline service.


Pre-Covid there were plans for Delta Mainline (B717) to return to SBN for one of the morning ATL flights. with the other three flights Endeavor CRJ900's. That all has been moved out into the future now. Once traffic does return to Pre-Covid levels I would assume Delta would go through with it but most likely with the C-Series/A220. SBN does have GSE in place for the A220.

Re: Indiana State Aviation Thread - 2020

Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2020 1:27 am
by freakyrat
Sure its Friday but I just checked American's Load Factors for tomorrow's flights out of SBN. Even with this Covid thing, DFW's morning flight has 5 FC and 51 Economy seats booked on a 65 seat CRJ700. Afternoon flight has 4 FC booked and 28 Economy booked, not great but with Covid still here not bad. The CLT flight on the 76 seat PSA CRJ900 tomorrow morning has 11 FC booked and 58 economy booked. Afternoon flight has 4 FC booked and 40 Economy booked. Still not really bad. Airport Manager said that the loads are beginning to pick back up. I would also assume yields are a little down because of discounted fares but last minute fares make up for some of that. Barring anything else in this pandemic SBN loads could be back up to normal by the end of the year.

Re: Indiana State Aviation Thread - 2020

Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2020 3:40 pm
by freakyrat
The last Skywest Delta Connection CRJ900 stored at SBN N806SK is slated for Air Canada. Most likely it
will go to ROW for Repainting. Some of the Delta Connection Skywest CRJ200's are being transferred to fly for United Express and are going to ROW for Repainting. One flew into SBN from DTW for Delta Friday and left the next day for ROW. We might see some of this at both SBN and FWA. I think there were 19 of the OO CRJ200's removed from Delta Connection flying.

Re: Indiana State Aviation Thread - 2020

Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2020 12:10 pm
by freakyrat
11 of the OO CRJ900's that were parked at SBN and leased from Delta, the Ex Comair and Ex Pinnacle birds are being transfered to Endeavor.

In other news Delta is restoring SBN-MSP flights in November. SBN-ATL flights will remain at 3 daily and SBN-DTW flights at 4 daily for the time being.

Re: Indiana State Aviation Thread - 2020

Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2020 12:32 am
by FWAERJ
freakyrat wrote:
11 of the OO CRJ900's that were parked at SBN and leased from Delta, the Ex Comair and Ex Pinnacle birds are being transfered to Endeavor.

In other news Delta is restoring SBN-MSP flights in November. SBN-ATL flights will remain at 3 daily and SBN-DTW flights at 4 daily for the time being.


Is DL also resuming FWA-MSP then? It’s the last route left to resume after COVID-19, though at FWA, G4 rotates between SRQ in fall/winter/spring and LAS in the summer. (Funny how LAS resumed before MSP, even with a 12 year absence from FWA!)

Re: Indiana State Aviation Thread - 2020

Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2020 12:50 pm
by freakyrat
FWAERJ wrote:
freakyrat wrote:
11 of the OO CRJ900's that were parked at SBN and leased from Delta, the Ex Comair and Ex Pinnacle birds are being transfered to Endeavor.

In other news Delta is restoring SBN-MSP flights in November. SBN-ATL flights will remain at 3 daily and SBN-DTW flights at 4 daily for the time being.


Is DL also resuming FWA-MSP then? It’s the last route left to resume after COVID-19, though at FWA, G4 rotates between SRQ in fall/winter/spring and LAS in the summer. (Funny how LAS resumed before MSP, even with a 12 year absence from FWA!)


No not yet.

Re: Indiana State Aviation Thread - 2020

Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2020 1:37 pm
by DiamondFlyer
FWAERJ wrote:
freakyrat wrote:
11 of the OO CRJ900's that were parked at SBN and leased from Delta, the Ex Comair and Ex Pinnacle birds are being transfered to Endeavor.

In other news Delta is restoring SBN-MSP flights in November. SBN-ATL flights will remain at 3 daily and SBN-DTW flights at 4 daily for the time being.


Is DL also resuming FWA-MSP then? It’s the last route left to resume after COVID-19, though at FWA, G4 rotates between SRQ in fall/winter/spring and LAS in the summer. (Funny how LAS resumed before MSP, even with a 12 year absence from FWA!)


It wouldn't surprise me to see FWA-MSP gone for good.

Re: Indiana State Aviation Thread - 2020

Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2020 5:32 pm
by freakyrat
Delta in SBN is only down 1 daily flight each from Pre-Covid to the present schedules in both the ATL and DTW markets. The original plan pre-Covid was to combine the two morning ATL CRJ flights to a mainline aircraft. Presently they dropped the 8 am flight and moved the 6:15 AM flight to 7:30 AM. I would assume that when traffic does rebound Delta will resume the two morning flights back on their original schedule and build from there. Most likely work in a CRJ9 on one of the morning flights to ATL and then see about going to the original plan. They have already experimented with an afternoon Endeavor CRJ9 ATL R/T so they got a pretty good handle on where loads need to be to resume their original planning.

Re: Indiana State Aviation Thread - 2020

Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2020 7:41 pm
by freakyrat
UA, DL, and AA are in Mid November planning to operate a full SBN schedule of all flights for the holidays. For UA that means 10 daily flights to ORD, For DL that means 4 daily flights to ATL, 5 daily flights to DTW and 2 daily flights to MSP. AA is planning 2 daily flights to DFW and 2 daily to CLT. All of this is subject to change due to what bookings look like.

Re: Indiana State Aviation Thread - 2020

Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:28 pm
by freakyrat
SBN has received a 13.5 million dollar infrastructure grant from the FAA. This grant will be used to rebuild the main taxiway, Taxiway Bravo which is on the South side of RWY 9R/27L and leads out of the main terminal ramp. This is Phase One of a Three Phase project which would include a ramp rebuild etc. The Ramp rebuild engineering has been done and is estimated to cost about 3.5 million dollars.

On the COVID front: SBN passenger loads are recovering better than the national average. Airlines however are making schedule adjustments very close in. Delta had planned to resume the two daily MSP flights in October and took them back out. They are in the schedule for November however and we will see how that goes. With travel over the holidays Delta may have better luck selling seats.

Re: Indiana State Aviation Thread - 2020

Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2020 9:24 pm
by freakyrat
With the expiration of the CARES Package in October UA is cutting flights at SBN-ORD . On Monday and Friday they will offer 4 flights, Tuesday, Wednesday and Saturday 2 flights, Thursday and Sunday 3 flights.

Re: Indiana State Aviation Thread - 2020

Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2020 2:23 am
by FWAERJ
freakyrat wrote:
With the expiration of the CARES Package in October UA is cutting flights at SBN-ORD . On Monday and Friday they will offer 4 flights, Tuesday, Wednesday and Saturday 2 flights, Thursday and Sunday 3 flights.


I’d say this: St. Joseph County is dangerously close to being a 3 on the ISDH COVID-19 scale, and is now the new COVID center of northern Indiana.

Think about it: no Notre Dame football this year and St. Joseph County being a 2 on the Indiana 0.5 to 3 COVID scale were also factors. No Notre Dame football means no extra flights, WSBT-TV reported that at least 14 stores have closed at University Park Mall at least temporarily (Apple is one that closed temporarily, and Disney Store closed permanently), and international students at Notre Dame testing positive. And there’s still other issues: What if Four Winds South Bend closes?

FWA, with Allen County at a 1 on the ISDH COVID scale, is still at 2 UA OO CR2 flights to ORD plus 3 AA (2 OO CR7, 1 MQ ER4) to ORD.

Re: Indiana State Aviation Thread - 2020

Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2020 1:12 pm
by freakyrat
freakyrat wrote:
With the expiration of the CARES Package in October UA is cutting flights at SBN-ORD . On Monday and Friday they will offer 4 flights, Tuesday, Wednesday and Saturday 2 flights, Thursday and Sunday 3 flights.


UA just changed the off-peak day schedule of flights. SBN traffic is recovering. AA and G4 are on their normal schedules. DL is still 2 daily flights to ATL where they normaly have 4 and DTW is 2 flights daily a cut of 1 flight where they had 3 daily flights and that run also normally has 4 daily flights.

Depending on holiday bookings this year flights may resume to some normalcy for UA and DL in November and December but we will just have to wait. MSP flights on DL are still in the schedule twice daily for November.

With No Notre Dame Football with outside fans this year There will not be any increase in flights or upgraded equipment.

Another factor besides Covid19 is AA is the only airline at SBN offering First Class seats on their CRJ7's and CRJ9's and they are poaching that traffic from both UA and DL.

Traffic will eventually rebound to 2019 levels at airports in SBN and FWA and probably rebound quicker than at the larger hub airports.

Re: Indiana State Aviation Thread - 2020

Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2020 3:46 pm
by FWAERJ
freakyrat wrote:
freakyrat wrote:
With the expiration of the CARES Package in October UA is cutting flights at SBN-ORD . On Monday and Friday they will offer 4 flights, Tuesday, Wednesday and Saturday 2 flights, Thursday and Sunday 3 flights.


UA just changed the off-peak day schedule of flights. SBN traffic is recovering. AA and G4 are on their normal schedules. DL is still 2 daily flights to ATL where they normaly have 4 and DTW is 2 flights daily a cut of 1 flight where they had 3 daily flights and that run also normally has 4 daily flights.

Depending on holiday bookings this year flights may resume to some normalcy for UA and DL in November and December but we will just have to wait. MSP flights on DL are still in the schedule twice daily for November.

With No Notre Dame Football with outside fans this year There will not be any increase in flights or upgraded equipment.

Another factor besides Covid19 is AA is the only airline at SBN offering First Class seats on their CRJ7's and CRJ9's and they are poaching that traffic from both UA and DL.

Traffic will eventually rebound to 2019 levels at airports in SBN and FWA and probably rebound quicker than at the larger hub airports.


I’d agree on FWA, especially when you look at our top 5 private sector employers in Allen County.

1) Parkview Health - number one healthcare system in Northeast Indiana, with significant alliances
2) Lutheran Health Network - building a new downtown Fort Wayne hospital to replace an old, inefficient hospital and making investments across the system
3) General Motors - one of two North American Chevrolet Silverado/GMC Sierra 1500 pickup truck plants, and it plus the sister plant in Silao, Mexico can’t make them fast enough
4) Sweetwater - the number one e-commerce music gear retailer in America, and growing as people are making music as a pandemic respite (many music gear makers won’t sell to Amazon due to Amazon’s pricing demands)
5) Lincoln Financial Group - while based in PHL (hence why AA flies FWA-PHL), more than 1 out of 6 Lincoln employees call Fort Wayne home, and people need life insurance

I’d say those five companies are pretty rock-solid, and lead to a lot of FWA usage.

Re: Indiana State Aviation Thread - 2020

Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2020 5:09 pm
by umichman
freakyrat wrote:
UA, DL, and AA are in Mid November planning to operate a full SBN schedule of all flights for the holidays. For UA that means 10 daily flights to ORD, For DL that means 4 daily flights to ATL, 5 daily flights to DTW and 2 daily flights to MSP. AA is planning 2 daily flights to DFW and 2 daily to CLT. All of this is subject to change due to what bookings look like.


November schedules and beyond are still largely pre-Covid placeholders. The legacies have been cutting their October schedules the past couple weeks and we will no doubt see similar cuts to November schedules as we get closer. This pattern (of significantly reducing monthly schedules a few weeks before the start of the month) has been going on for some time now since Covid-19 started.

Re: Indiana State Aviation Thread - 2020

Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:19 pm
by freakyrat
Skywest flew 3 Delta Connection CRJ900's into SBN most likely returning to short term storage.

Re: Indiana State Aviation Thread - 2020

Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2020 12:56 pm
by freakyrat
https://simpleflying.com/delta-retirements-aircraft/

Delta will be phasing out the 717's by December 2025 and the CRJ200's by December 2023. Traffic should be recovered by then. When traffic does recover at places like SBN and FWA I expect Delta to go ahead with their original plans to start phasing in the CRJ900's for their ATL flights and CRJ700's for DTW and MSP and possibly use the 717 while they still have them for one the morning ATL flights. Also they could even use E170 and A220 aircraft.

Re: Indiana State Aviation Thread - 2020

Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2020 1:00 pm
by freakyrat
freakyrat wrote:
https://simpleflying.com/delta-retirements-aircraft/

Delta will be phasing out the 717's by December 2025 and the CRJ200's by December 2023. Traffic should be recovered by then. When traffic does recover at places like SBN and FWA I expect Delta to go ahead with their original plans to start phasing in the CRJ900's for their ATL flights and CRJ700's for DTW and MSP and possibly use the 717 while they still have them for one the morning ATL flights. Also they could even use E170 and A220 aircraft.


Delta is setting themselves up very nicely Post-Covid for both SBN and FWA by shifting all ATL flying to Endeavor (9E) and DTW flying to Skywest (OO). This will allow them to move the ATL flying to large 2 class Regional Jets and leave DTW flying to the smaller CRJ2's which are more appropriate for that route. MSP flying is a tossup now as they haven't resumed flying the route. I would assume that route would also go to the larger 2 class RJ's. OO has been doing maintenance at SBN on the their larger 2 class RJ's operating on behalf of all their mainline partners.

Re: Indiana State Aviation Thread - 2020

Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2020 1:16 pm
by freakyrat
Here are the latest traffic figures at SBN. Sure everything is down at every airport but SBN traffic is slowly returning and I mean slowly. Overall Traffic because of Covid is now only down 49% from last year. https://flysbn.com/wp-content/uploads/2 ... -Stats.pdf

Re: Indiana State Aviation Thread - 2020

Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2020 10:38 pm
by freakyrat
freakyrat wrote:
freakyrat wrote:
https://simpleflying.com/delta-retirements-aircraft/

Delta will be phasing out the 717's by December 2025 and the CRJ200's by December 2023. Traffic should be recovered by then. When traffic does recover at places like SBN and FWA I expect Delta to go ahead with their original plans to start phasing in the CRJ900's for their ATL flights and CRJ700's for DTW and MSP and possibly use the 717 while they still have them for one the morning ATL flights. Also they could even use E170 and A220 aircraft.


Delta is setting themselves up very nicely Post-Covid for both SBN and FWA by shifting all Midwest flying to 9E This will allow them to move the ATL/MSP flying to large 2 class Regional Jets and leave DTW flying to the smaller CRJ2's until they phase them out.

Re: Indiana State Aviation Thread - 2020

Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2020 10:41 pm
by freakyrat
freakyrat wrote:
freakyrat wrote:
https://simpleflying.com/delta-retirements-aircraft/

Delta will be phasing out the 717's by December 2025 and the CRJ200's by December 2023. Traffic should be recovered by then. When traffic does recover at places like SBN and FWA I expect Delta to go ahead with their original plans to start phasing in the CRJ900's for their ATL flights and CRJ700's for DTW and MSP and possibly use the 717 while they still have them for one the morning ATL flights. Also they could even use E170 and A220 aircraft.


Delta is setting themselves up very nicely Post-Covid for both SBN and FWA by shifting all Midwest flying to 9E and as they phaseout the CRJ200 they will bring in the larger CRJ700/900's for all the flying and maybe some mainline.

Re: Indiana State Aviation Thread - 2020

Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2020 10:46 pm
by freakyrat
I stand corrected as I didn't know that 9E had such a big base at DTW. So after Covid the original plan is to have Endeavor 9E handle the Midwest and Southeast Regional flying for Delta and OO handle the West regional flying.

Re: Indiana State Aviation Thread - 2020

Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2020 2:11 pm
by freakyrat
Delta had hoped to restart SBN-MSP aand FWA-MSP in November and now they took those flights back out again. I wouldn't expect them to restart those till sometime next year now. The problem I heard at least at Endeavor is that they have a shortage of FA's due to so many of them taking extended leaves during this pandemic. I'm sure it's also the same at Skywest and other carriers. The traffic while slowly returning is also just not there yet.

Re: Indiana State Aviation Thread - 2020

Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2020 7:11 pm
by freakyrat
freakyrat wrote:
Delta had hoped to restart SBN-MSP aand FWA-MSP in November and now they took those flights back out again. I wouldn't expect them to restart those till sometime next year now. The problem I heard at least at Endeavor is that they have a shortage of FA's due to so many of them taking extended leaves during this pandemic. I'm sure it's also the same at Skywest and other carriers. The traffic while slowly returning is also just not there yet.


Appears SBN-MSP will try one more time to get restarted in December.

DL MSP-SBN NOV 1.5>0[1.9] DEC 0.9>0.7[1.7) Delta had originally planned to resume these flights in October and then took it out of the schedule. Then they tried November and then took the flights out of the schedule. Looks like they will be going for a resumption in December now. What the real problem is that Covid has caused flight crews to take extended leaves and as traffic returns they do not have enough crews to operate flights. For example: Endeavor has had FA's take extened leave because of the Pandemic and they now have a shortage of FA's to operate their flights causing scheduling problems. I'm sure Skywest and other regionals are in the same boat. As flights have returned Delta operated SBN-ATL and SBN-DTW with Endeavor metal. The DTW flights have returned to Skywest. The situation with the 2 MSP flights returning is still in flux.

Re: Indiana State Aviation Thread - 2020

Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2020 7:19 am
by csturdiv
The DL thread on this is massive to sort through. When DL retires the B712 will EVV go back to regional, maybe to a CR9 or E175? Or will they bring in an A220? When I'm in the States it's either DL or AA that I fly between EVV and RSW. That B712 from ATL to EVV was nice when I took it several years ago.

Re: Indiana State Aviation Thread - 2020

Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2020 1:03 pm
by jetskipper
csturdiv wrote:
The DL thread on this is massive to sort through. When DL retires the B712 will EVV go back to regional, maybe to a CR9 or E175? Or will they bring in an A220? When I'm in the States it's either DL or AA that I fly between EVV and RSW. That B712 from ATL to EVV was nice when I took it several years ago.


Most likely a CR9. Although similar size, the B712 and A220 have a different mission. Delta has primarily been using them on longer routes such as JFK-AUS and ORD-SEA. They used the 717 for shorter routes around hubs, think ATL-BHM, JAN, TYS, AVL, MOB, etc., a very similar utilization as the DC-9-30. Unfortunately a lot of Delta cities in the southeast are going to be losing mainline.

Re: Indiana State Aviation Thread - 2020

Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2020 2:52 am
by freakyrat
I talked to a Delta Connection pilot over the weekend who said that Delta is using Delta Owned Endeavor metal for a lot of these Delta Connection flights in cities like SBN and FWA etc. that were formerly operated by the contract carriers to save money during the current Pandemic situation.

Re: Indiana State Aviation Thread - 2020

Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2020 2:54 am
by DiamondFlyer
freakyrat wrote:
I talked to a Delta Connection pilot over the weekend who said that Delta is using Delta Owned Endeavor metal for a lot of these Delta Connection flights in cities like SBN and FWA etc. that were formerly operated by the contract carriers to save money during the current Pandemic situation.


Of course, why pay another carrier to operate the flight when the internal company carrier can do it? Especially if OO isn't holding them to the minimum block hour clause in the contract.

Re: Indiana State Aviation Thread - 2020

Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2020 3:36 am
by freakyrat
DiamondFlyer wrote:
freakyrat wrote:
I talked to a Delta Connection pilot over the weekend who said that Delta is using Delta Owned Endeavor metal for a lot of these Delta Connection flights in cities like SBN and FWA etc. that were formerly operated by the contract carriers to save money during the current Pandemic situation.


Of course, why pay another carrier to operate the flight when the internal company carrier can do it? Especially if OO isn't holding them to the minimum block hour clause in the contract.


Also a large amout of FA's at both carriers too extended leaves during the pandemic so they are having a problem with FA staffing for flights. This is why SBN-DTW was also operated by Endeavor metal during the begining of the Pandemic. SBN-MSP is going to be back up in December with 1 daily flight and showing operated by Skywest.