So I am assuming they're going to do their Mexico plans later on in the year??

Wow this is one expansion.

Still no sign of their talks on Mexico. Maybe Mexico later on in the year??

BLV-SAV also

GRR got 2x weekly AUS, BOS and LAX.

southwest1675 wrote:

Allegiant will be adding BZN, FAR, GFK, FSD, GSO, ORF, TUL, and PIT from BNA....

Can't say I'm surprised to see G4 expanding at FAR. For a long time, they were the only carrier to the Phoenix area (a popular destination for North Dakota snowbirds) running year-round including 2x daily during the winter. In 2019, F9 and AA (mainline) added seasonal daily service giving them some strong competition. A bit surprised it is BNA, but not surprised to see G4 wanting to regain some market share in Fargo.

Allegiant entering Boston (for the first time?). Didn't see that coming.

BOS-GRR Sun/Thur-only
BOS-AVL Mon/Fri-only
BOS-VPS Sun/Thur-only
BOS-TYS Mon/Fri-only

I also noticed the schedule is extended into November. I don’t think it was that far before was it?

Midwest2020 wrote:

southwest1675 wrote:

Allegiant will be adding BZN, FAR, GFK, FSD, GSO, ORF, TUL, and PIT from BNA....

Can't say I'm surprised to see G4 expanding at FAR. For a long time, they were the only carrier to the Phoenix area (a popular destination for North Dakota snowbirds) running year-round including 2x daily during the winter. In 2019, F9 and AA (mainline) added seasonal daily service giving them some strong competition. A bit surprised it is BNA, but not surprised to see G4 wanting to regain some market share in Fargo.

FAR just posted their December and end of year traffic numbers and they had a their busiest December/month ever on record and year overall. 46,021 enplanements for December. Total for the month was 89,409.

Allegiant had 17% of the December market share.

For the year FAR enplanements were 471,333. Total count for the year was 930,409.

Allegiant had 17% market share for the year

https://fargoairport.com/december-year- ... tatistics/

Am I late noticing this or has LAX jumped in flights and destinations?

Was GRR-LAX on the map before this update?

ALLEGIANT ANNOUNCES LARGEST SERVICE EXPANSION IN COMPANY HISTORY WITH 3 NEW CITIES AND 44 NONSTOP ROUTES

New destinations Boston, Chicago and Houston headline this major expansion, with introductory fares on all new routes as low as $33*

LAS VEGAS, Jan. 14, 2020 — Allegiant (NASDAQ: ALGT) today announces 44 new nonstop routes, including 14 routes to three new cities: Chicago, Boston and Houston. To celebrate the largest expansion in Allegiant’s history, the company is offering one-way fares on the new routes as low as $33.*

This major addition to service is driven by Allegiant’s goal of connecting leisure travelers in underserved cities to popular destinations around the country. Most of the 44 new routes are non-competitive, with no other airline providing service between those airports.

“There is a lot of leisure demand for cities that are regional destinations, and this route expansion will address some of that need,” said Drew Wells, Allegiant vice president of planning and revenue. “Also, this growth is about Allegiant being true to our mission as a company. We’re increasing the number of low-cost, affordable travel options for people who may otherwise be priced out of air travel.”

The new seasonal routes to Nashville International Airport (BNA) include: BZN, FSD, ORF, PIT, PIA, TUL, FAR, FNT, GSO

The new seasonal routes to Boston Logan International Airport (BOS) include: GRR, AVL, TYS, VPS

The new seasonal routes from Chicago Midway International Airport (MDW) include: ABE, DSM, SAV, AVL, TYS, VPS

The new seasonal routes to Austin-Bergstrom International Airport (AUS) include: DSM, AVL, TYS, GRR

The new seasonal routes from Asheville Regional Airport (AVL) include: BOS, MDW, HOU, AUS

The new seasonal routes from Des Moines International Airport (DSM) include: MDW, MEM, AUS

The new seasonal routes from Gerald R. Ford Airport (GRR) include: LAX, BOS, AUS

The new seasonal routes from McGhee Tyson Airport (TYS) include: BOS, HOU, MDW, AUS, MYR

The new seasonal routes from William P. Hobby Airport (HOU) include: TYS, AVL, SAV, VPS

The new seasonal routes to Savannah International Airport (SAV) include: BLV, HOU, MDW, PGD, SWF

The new seasonal routes to Norfolk International Airport (ORF) include: PIT, LCK, BNA

The new seasonal routes to Pittsburgh International Airport (PIT) include: BNA, ORF, MEM

The new seasonal routes to Destin-Fort Walton Beach Airport (VPS) include: BOS, DAY, HOU, MDW, SWF

The new seasonal routes from Memphis International Airport (MEM) include: DSM, PBI, PIT, CVG

The new seasonal routes from Myrtle Beach International Airport (MYR) include: PGD, TYS, ELM

The new seasonal route from Louisville International Airport (SDF) to Charleston International Airport (CHS) begins May 22, 2020 with fares as low as $55.*

The new seasonal route from Orlando Sanford International Airport (SFB) to Albuquerque International Airport (ABQ) begins June 4, 2020 with fares as low as $66.*

PGD-SAV seems like an odd ball route. Think it’s for aircraft positioning?

Des Moines to Memphis but not Memphis to Boston, head scratching time.

Curious as to which terminal G4 will be using in BOS. Has to be either B or C and not sure how many or if any are available. I am guessing going to need 1 gate. Depending on flight times perhaps us NK or F9'S or AS gates if available is probably most likely scenario for the present time.

WaywardMemphian wrote:

Des Moines to Memphis but not Memphis to Boston, head scratching time.

My thoughts as well. Surprised they did not jump on SDF/MEM-BOS. Maybe they expected retaliation from the legacy carriers if they did that??

TYSflyer wrote:

WaywardMemphian wrote:

Des Moines to Memphis but not Memphis to Boston, head scratching time.

My thoughts as well. Surprised they did not jump on SDF/MEM-BOS. Maybe they expected retaliation from the legacy carriers if they did that??

I think that either DL, AA, or B6 would probably have responded to G4 adding nonstop service to BOS from SDF and MEM, even though WN is currently the only airline serving STL nonstop from BOS and HA is currently the only airline serving HNL nonstop from BOS.

New MYR-PVD is in the press release but not listed above.

Midwestindy wrote:

The new seasonal routes to Nashville International Airport (BNA) include: BZN, FSD, ORF, PIT, PIA, TUL, FAR, FNT, GSO

BNA isn't the leisure attraction MCO is, nor NYC or LAX. I don't see how they can make BZN, FSD or FAR work, even with low frequency. GSO-BNA strikes me as a route to drive by the thrifty.

TYSflyer wrote:

WaywardMemphian wrote:

Des Moines to Memphis but not Memphis to Boston, head scratching time.

My thoughts as well. Surprised they did not jump on SDF/MEM-BOS. Maybe they expected retaliation from the legacy carriers if they did that??

If they now view Memphis as a destination and not an origination station and that is the only way you explain DSM service, when will they make Memphis a base? I also would point out to Allegaint that if that is their thinking, why are they starting this late? The biggest event in Memphis is Memphis in May and the biggest two events of that month long event take place in May before these services start. They need to start the last week of April. I also would like to point out other events that bring in folks from all over happen in irregular times. For example, Jan.
has Elvis birthday week. This is an article explaining it's impact for the Arkansas side of the river

https://talkbusiness.net/2020/01/elvis- ... mid-south/

They do catch the candlelight vigil event

https://youtu.be/yBHu7osaax8

MIflyer12 wrote:

Midwestindy wrote:

The new seasonal routes to Nashville International Airport (BNA) include: BZN, FSD, ORF, PIT, PIA, TUL, FAR, FNT, GSO

BNA isn't the leisure attraction MCO is, nor NYC or LAX. I don't see how they can make BZN, FSD or FAR work, even with low frequency. GSO-BNA strikes me as a route to drive by the thrifty.

Don't underestimate the music tourism angle by older folks that have grown too old to ride the coasters they build these days

Well it's been Rumored for awhile now that G4 was coming to MDW vs rebuilding GYY.
They should do well from MDW 3 available gate on the C concourse.

Flyguy

Just saw that ABQ-SFB is a red-eye flight... how many of those does AAY do?

nkops wrote:

Just saw that ABQ-SFB is a red-eye flight... how many of those does AAY do?

I believe there are only 2 other red-eyes in the Allegiant system.

How full is SFB these days? I know the morning push is 100% which is why they have the 2nd push now fed by other bases like AVL and TYS and now red-eyes. If SFB is full might be see another airport join the fold such as DAB the same way they have SRQ between PIE and PGD?

DAB-BWI/EWR/PIT/BNA/MDW/IND aka all places they they have competition from MCO

MEM-DSM???

RL757PVD wrote:

How full is SFB these days? I know the morning push is 100% which is why they have the 2nd push now fed by other bases like AVL and TYS and now red-eyes. If SFB is full might be see another airport join the fold such as DAB the same way they have SRQ between PIE and PGD?

DAB-BWI/EWR/PIT/BNA/MDW/IND aka all places they they have competition from MCO

They don’t have connecting banks so unless they are doing 10x per gate utilization I’m sure SFB isn’t full.

RL757PVD wrote:

How full is SFB these days? I know the morning push is 100% which is why they have the 2nd push now fed by other bases like AVL and TYS and now red-eyes. If SFB is full might be see another airport join the fold such as DAB the same way they have SRQ between PIE and PGD?

DAB-BWI/EWR/PIT/BNA/MDW/IND aka all places they they have competition from MCO

Very full in the morning .. however, the new concourse will be opening this year which will add 4 or 5 new gates.. usually the mornings consist of 14-15 kickoff flights with 11 gates

The GFK to BNA is a one off flight. The University of North Dakota Men's Hockey team is playing in Nashville on Oct 17th
Tickets for the game sold out in one day and those unfamiliar, Men's Hockey is the equivalent of Alabama football in fan base support.

MIflyer12 wrote:

Midwestindy wrote:

The new seasonal routes to Nashville International Airport (BNA) include: BZN, FSD, ORF, PIT, PIA, TUL, FAR, FNT, GSO

BNA isn't the leisure attraction MCO is, nor NYC or LAX. I don't see how they can make BZN, FSD or FAR work, even with low frequency. GSO-BNA strikes me as a route to drive by the thrifty.

Not to be a fanboy, but Nashville tourism & convention business is booming right now. Nashville, currently has or recently had the highest average hotel rate in the U.S. Sioux Falls and Fargo will likely work because they pull from a large catchment area, not just the immediate metro. Fargo will attract those from Grand Forks, Winnipeg, Northwest Minnesota and eastern North Dakota.

Good on G4 for trying some more "out there" routes, with 2x weekly service for a couple months there is very little risk on their end.

Interested to see how DSM-MDW, DSM-MEM, GSO-BNA, BZN-BNA, CVG/PIT-MEM, and a few others perform.

SyracuseAvGeek wrote:

nkops wrote:

Just saw that ABQ-SFB is a red-eye flight... how many of those does AAY do?

I believe there are only 2 other red-eyes in the Allegiant system.

LAS-TYS

Not sure on the other one.

Awesome announcement by G4! A lot of good adds here and congrats to all the cities getting additional routes.

BNA-PIA

They’re challenging Frontier for the coveted Throwing Darts at a Map Award.

DSM-MDW is a head scratcher to me. Less than 6 hour drive

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Not a single add for PIE. Interesting how their growth there plateaued over the past year after being their third largest city.

ibthebigd wrote:

DSM-MDW is a head scratcher to me. Less than 6 hour drive

If the demand was actually there for additional nonstop service to Chicago from DSM, WN could have re-added DSM-MDW nonstop service or F9 could have added DSM-ORD nonstop service.

One of the reasons why WN dropped DSM-MDW nonstop service was that most of the passengers on WN's DSM-MDW nonstop flights were connecting to other destinations.

I am unsure if G4 will be able to sustain DSM-MDW nonstop service if WN didn't have enough O&D traffic to sustain DSM-MDW nonstop service, but at least (a) G4 doesn't sell any connecting flights, (b) G4 DSM-MDW nonstop service will only be operating on Sundays and Thursdays whereas WN had daily nonstop service to MDW from DSM prior to dropping DSM-MDW nonstop service, and (c) G4 is charging lower fares on DSM-MDW than WN did on DSM-MDW 4 years ago.

I would like to see XNA-TYS for a several of reasons.

First Silver Dollar City has a very large season pass holder base here. Their sister park is Dollywood in Pigeon Forge and those passes offer steep discounted tickets there. Some burn out on Branson. It is similar but actual offers more than what's up the road.

Second, it has an appeal due to the Smokies and we being in the Ozarks like our mountains and the activities found within these National Parks.

Third, there are lots of family ties to Eastern Tennesse. Many who settled in the Ozarks came from there.

Fourth, it would tie two SEC towns together and better facilitate road trips. Arkansas fans will follow their big three sports teams.

I would like to see Allegiant try Branson as a destination

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jplatts wrote:

ibthebigd wrote:

DSM-MDW is a head scratcher to me. Less than 6 hour drive

If the demand was actually there for additional nonstop service to Chicago from DSM, WN could have re-added DSM-MDW nonstop service or F9 could have added DSM-ORD nonstop service.

One of the reasons why WN dropped DSM-MDW nonstop service was that most of the passengers on WN's DSM-MDW nonstop flights were connecting to other destinations.

I am unsure if G4 will be able to sustain DSM-MDW nonstop service if WN didn't have enough O&D traffic to sustain DSM-MDW nonstop service, but at least (a) G4 doesn't sell any connecting flights, (b) G4 DSM-MDW nonstop service will only be operating on Sundays and Thursdays whereas WN had daily nonstop service to MDW from DSM prior to dropping DSM-MDW nonstop service, and (c) G4 is charging lower fares on DSM-MDW than WN did on DSM-MDW 4 years ago.

Yes, as a DSM resident, most leisure traffic drives and there was very little demand on DSM-MDW on WN and they moved it to DSM-STL. I can make it to downtown Chicago from Des Moines in 5 hours and the western burbs in 4.5 hours. On the otherhand, my friends parents go OMA-Chicago twice a month to see their kids. They used to always fly southwest but they just told me that 90% of the time they are driving now because the prices WN is charging has gotten terrible. They said their limit is about $150 roundtrip and if it is more than that, they drive. There could be a market from OMA-MDW for Allegiant because the prices on the route are high and the distance is a 7 or 7.5 hour drive vs a 5 hour drive from DSM. Problem is, people in Omaha don't know the Allegiant name and forget about it. The opposite from DSM, everybody knows Allegiant really really well! Still don't think that MDW will work though.

MIflyer12 wrote:

Midwestindy wrote:

The new seasonal routes to Nashville International Airport (BNA) include: BZN, FSD, ORF, PIT, PIA, TUL, FAR, FNT, GSO

BNA isn't the leisure attraction MCO is, nor NYC or LAX. I don't see how they can make BZN, FSD or FAR work, even with low frequency. GSO-BNA strikes me as a route to drive by the thrifty.

While it may not be the overall lesiure destination that MCO is overall, there is a segment of the population that is very drawn to the music/nightlife scene that Nashville has. For the 25-50 year old crowd with no kids I would venture to guess that Nashville outpaces Orlando as a destination. If you look at the pattern that G4 is following with BNA, they are targeting extended weekend trips for people from places that are crazy about country music. That is generally the Midwest and Plains states locales that are too far to drive. Even before these additions they were flying to places like DSM, CID, GRR, and XNA which is consistent with what we see today. I think we are witnessing Nashville develop into another New Orleans-type destination for adults (although maybe not quite that big yet), so this all seems to make sense. There are now more hotel rooms in the Nashville metro area than the New Orleans metro area, so some segment of the population has interest in filling them.

Interesting Alligent already added a second BNA/GFK flight on October 18th. There was just one option earlier this morning.

WaywardMemphian wrote:

TYSflyer wrote:

WaywardMemphian wrote:

Des Moines to Memphis but not Memphis to Boston, head scratching time.

My thoughts as well. Surprised they did not jump on SDF/MEM-BOS. Maybe they expected retaliation from the legacy carriers if they did that??

If they now view Memphis as a destination and not an origination station and that is the only way you explain DSM service, when will they make Memphis a base? I also would point out to Allegaint that if that is their thinking, why are they starting this late? The biggest event in Memphis is Memphis in May and the biggest two events of that month long event take place in May before these services start. They need to start the last week of April. I also would like to point out other events that bring in folks from all over happen in irregular times. For example, Jan.
has Elvis birthday week. This is an article explaining it's impact for the Arkansas side of the river

https://talkbusiness.net/2020/01/elvis- ... mid-south/

They do catch the candlelight vigil event

https://youtu.be/yBHu7osaax8

I was wondering if I was the only one thinking that. Memphis in May is the main event of Memphis. That's when tourists, esp. younger adults who are less likely to drive in, will be coming to memphis

ibthebigd wrote:

I would like to see Allegiant try Branson as a destination

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They do, kinda, they fly into Springfield which conveniently claims Branson in it's name and did so well before BKG was a wet dream. It is still 40 miles or so up the road.

Allegiant, and I say this admitting I haven't checked in a while, never really had much in the way of booking hotels and such on the Springfield/Branson end. It was always sun destination focused particularly Florida. Lots of retired folks going back and forth from lakes to beach. Branson is more of 2/3rds version of Pigeon Forge/Gatlinburg but with a sizable lakes all around. It can be sold as a destination. Silver Dollar City is very nice theme park, a bit smaller and more true to the late 800's theme than Dollywood. It's largest crowds are easily seen during the Christmas season.

BKG is damn near in Arkansas and it's almost as long a drive to get to Branson proper as Springfield, however it is much closer to Mr. Bass Pro's play areas, resorts and time shares.

stl07 wrote:

WaywardMemphian wrote:

TYSflyer wrote:

My thoughts as well. Surprised they did not jump on SDF/MEM-BOS. Maybe they expected retaliation from the legacy carriers if they did that??

If they now view Memphis as a destination and not an origination station and that is the only way you explain DSM service, when will they make Memphis a base? I also would point out to Allegaint that if that is their thinking, why are they starting this late? The biggest event in Memphis is Memphis in May and the biggest two events of that month long event take place in May before these services start. They need to start the last week of April. I also would like to point out other events that bring in folks from all over happen in irregular times. For example, Jan.
has Elvis birthday week. This is an article explaining it's impact for the Arkansas side of the river

https://talkbusiness.net/2020/01/elvis- ... mid-south/

They do catch the candlelight vigil event

https://youtu.be/yBHu7osaax8

I was wondering if I was the only one thinking that. Memphis in May is the main event of Memphis. That's when tourists, esp. younger adults who are less likely to drive in, will be coming to memphis

Not only is the Music fest down in the river the first weekend in May, Memphis has developed a second Music Fest called Mempho Fest at Shelby Farms that has taken off that takes place after these flights end.

Another solid line up
https://www.memphisinmay.org/engage/blo ... -festival/

KCaviator wrote:

BNA-PIA

They’re challenging Frontier for the coveted Throwing Darts at a Map Award.

I disagree. Ozark Air Lines offered daily one-stop service in both directions April 27, 1980 through July 31, 1982 on an MSP-PIA-IND-BNA-TPA routing. American Eagle flew the route three times daily May 1, 1991 through June 14, 1995. So there is precedent.

While Allegiant Air will target leisure travelers who are now driving, it seems fair to assume that a few Caterpillar employees will fly nonstop between the company's hometown of Peoria and Caterpillar Financial Services offices in Nashville.

Also keep in mind that Peoria is the only city (so far) in the region getting this service, so it will probably attract passengers from nearby Bloomington-Normal and possibly the Quad Cities area.

Is Allegiant terminating SJU service from SFB? Last week I was able to book until August 2020 (schedules were loaded through August) and now with the recent schedule update extension through November, flights to SJU from SFB only appear until May 04, 2020. Last year they cut RDU due poor demand. At the moment I don't know if PIT and CVG were cut do the same reason or if they are suspended and will be available for the 2020-2021 winter season. In the past I've read here in Airliners that G4 wanted to operate IND-SJU. Does anybody know if the airline is terminating SJU service? Thanks a lot!

I’m surprised SYR didn’t get any new service. Would have expected SYR-SAV or SYR-VPS if anything.

FlyPeoria wrote:

KCaviator wrote:

BNA-PIA



Also keep in mind that Peoria is the only city (so far) in the region getting this service, so it will probably attract passengers from nearby Bloomington-Normal and possibly the Quad Cities area.

Possibly quad cities but CID also has BNA service and the drive is probably about the same and probably more convenient at least for the Iowa side of the quad cities. Curious to see how PIA service does. How far is the drive? 6 hours?

mrdj007 wrote:

Is Allegiant terminating SJU service from SFB? Last week I was able to book until August 2020 (schedules were loaded through August) and now with the recent schedule update extension through November, flights to SJU from SFB only appear until May 04, 2020. Last year they cut RDU due poor demand. At the moment I don't know if PIT and CVG were cut do the same reason or if they are suspended and will be available for the 2020-2021 winter season. In the past I've read here in Airliners that G4 wanted to operate IND-SJU. Does anybody know if the airline is terminating SJU service? Thanks a lot!

The existing schedule thru August definitely had some modifications to it, there were other routes reduced frequency and or changes.

A320 N236NV is headed from BQN back to LCQ.