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Re: Allegiant News and Discussion Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:34 pm

After all this time, ROC still only has 2x weekly to SFB and 2x weekly to PGD? That just seems weird to me. BUF, SYR, and ALB all have more destinations. I would think 2x weekly FLL and 3x weekly LAS would be possibilities.

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Re: Allegiant News and Discussion Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 16, 2020 12:21 am

DCA-ROCguy wrote:
After all this time, ROC still only has 2x weekly to SFB and 2x weekly to PGD? That just seems weird to me. BUF, SYR, and ALB all have more destinations. I would think 2x weekly FLL and 3x weekly LAS would be possibilities.

Jim


G4's success in SYR compared to ROC has a lot to do with the lack of WN.

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Re: Allegiant News and Discussion Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 16, 2020 3:55 am

ROC, after all this time, is still at 2x weekly SFB and 2x weekly PGD. I would think 2x weekly FLL and 2x or 3x weekly LAS would be possibilities.

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Re: Allegiant News and Discussion Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 16, 2020 9:29 am

jplatts wrote:
ibthebigd wrote:
DSM-MDW is a head scratcher to me. Less than 6 hour drive


If the demand was actually there for additional nonstop service to Chicago from DSM, WN could have re-added DSM-MDW nonstop service or F9 could have added DSM-ORD nonstop service.

One of the reasons why WN dropped DSM-MDW nonstop service was that most of the passengers on WN's DSM-MDW nonstop flights were connecting to other destinations.

I am unsure if G4 will be able to sustain DSM-MDW nonstop service if WN didn't have enough O&D traffic to sustain DSM-MDW nonstop service, but at least (a) G4 doesn't sell any connecting flights, (b) G4 DSM-MDW nonstop service will only be operating on Sundays and Thursdays whereas WN had daily nonstop service to MDW from DSM prior to dropping DSM-MDW nonstop service, and (c) G4 is charging lower fares on DSM-MDW than WN did on DSM-MDW 4 years ago.


I don’t think WN’s ending its DSM-MDW flight is indicative of how G4 will perform on this route. WN had 2 daily DSM-MDW flights year round with mostly connecting passengers. They were able to shift this flight to STL and still accommodate most of the same connecting passengers. With G4, they only have 2 flights a week to fill during the busiest travel months of the year, with a much stronger economy than when WN left this route 4 years ago, and the flights are timed for a weekend getaway in Chicago. Assuming the flights are cheap enough, they’re going after the passengers who would otherwise drive to Chicago. Also, this flight begins around the same time their DSM operating base opens so they’ll be able to use DSM based aircraft and crews to operate flights continuing beyond MDW.

As for AUS/MEM, I think DSM-AUS will do well..DSM-MEM not so much.
 
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Re: Allegiant News and Discussion Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 16, 2020 12:30 pm

DCA-ROCguy wrote:
ROC, after all this time, is still at 2x weekly SFB and 2x weekly PGD. I would think 2x weekly FLL and 2x or 3x weekly LAS would be possibilities.

Jim


I’d be surprised if G4 extends their LAS routes east of GRR. If you look at their route map you get an idea of how far they are willing to go from each base then you can see the holes they might possibly fill. That’s how I’ve been suggesting possibly SYR-SAV or SYR-VPS as possible announcements for a while, those routes fill in some gaps they have.
 
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Re: Allegiant News and Discussion Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 16, 2020 12:59 pm

One of these days I would not be shocked to see Allegiant give FSM(Fort Smith AR) a try, especially if others(WN, F9) step on their toes(orlando, vegas) at XNA . The FSM MSA is 300k and then there's Clarksville/Russleville /Mena area that they could pull from.

FSM was up 5% on the year and over 100k enplanements on just AA connectng to Dallas and Delta to Atlanta
 
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Re: Allegiant News and Discussion Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 16, 2020 4:15 pm

zackary747 wrote:
Anyone have any idea when G4 could potentially announce their Mexico routes? Which cities in Mexico do you guys feel have the ability to get added first? CUN, GDL, SJD??


According to the DOT 15,000 trips per year are made to the Yucatan out of the Michiana area. The SBN airport has been working with Allegiant on a possible seasonal flight to CUN and has an up and running US Customs facility.
 
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Re: Allegiant News and Discussion Thread - 2020

Sat Jan 18, 2020 1:15 am

CIDFlyer wrote:
FlyPeoria wrote:
KCaviator wrote:
BNA-PIA :eyepopping:



Also keep in mind that Peoria is the only city (so far) in the region getting this service, so it will probably attract passengers from nearby Bloomington-Normal and possibly the Quad Cities area.


Possibly quad cities but CID also has BNA service and the drive is probably about the same and probably more convenient at least for the Iowa side of the quad cities. Curious to see how PIA service does. How far is the drive? 6 hours?


8 hours...I drove between Peoria and Nashville in 2018 and 2019. I was going to Florida but on the latter I ran into frustrating construction back ups in Southern Illinois.
 
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Re: Allegiant News and Discussion Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 22, 2020 8:42 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
The new seasonal routes to Nashville International Airport (BNA) include: BZN, FSD, ORF, PIT, PIA, TUL, FAR, FNT, GSO


GSO-BNA strikes me as a route to drive by the thrifty.


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Re: Allegiant News and Discussion Thread - 2020

Sat Jan 25, 2020 4:28 pm

A320 N281NV is en route from BQN to PIE to enter active service. 54 x A320 active now at Allegiant.
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Re: Allegiant News and Discussion Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 29, 2020 1:37 am

Hopefully when the new PVU passenger terminal is complete and opened this coming fall, G4 will expand. PVU-AZA is up to 2x -daily, with LAX and TUS still 2x-weekly. G4 has said the the current passenger terminal is too small and that there is not enough ramp space to have multiple G4 flights on the ground at a time. I would love to see G4 add back PUV-OAK and maybe even start PVU-DEN/BLI/AUS/LAS.
 
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Re: Allegiant News and Discussion Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 29, 2020 1:25 pm

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HNLSLCPDX wrote:
Hopefully when the new PVU passenger terminal is complete and opened this coming fall, G4 will expand. PVU-AZA is up to 2x -daily, with LAX and TUS still 2x-weekly. G4 has said the the current passenger terminal is too small and that there is not enough ramp space to have multiple G4 flights on the ground at a time. I would love to see G4 add back PUV-OAK and maybe even start PVU-DEN/BLI/AUS/LAS.


I’d love to see some east coast cities from PVU. AVL perhaps?
 
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Re: Allegiant News and Discussion Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 29, 2020 2:41 pm

HNLSLCPDX wrote:
Hopefully when the new PVU passenger terminal is complete and opened this coming fall, G4 will expand. PVU-AZA is up to 2x -daily, with LAX and TUS still 2x-weekly. G4 has said the the current passenger terminal is too small and that there is not enough ramp space to have multiple G4 flights on the ground at a time. I would love to see G4 add back PUV-OAK and maybe even start PVU-DEN/BLI/AUS/LAS.


G4 adding PVU-CVG nonstop service is also a possibility with G4 already serving a few leisure destinations in the Western U.S. nonstop from CVG and with CVG being the largest G4 station in the Midwest.
 
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Re: Allegiant News and Discussion Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 29, 2020 3:04 pm

Now that G4 is expanding, do you think there will come a point where they consider buying new A320neo aircraft?
 
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Re: Allegiant News and Discussion Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 29, 2020 3:11 pm

BNAMealer wrote:
Now that G4 is expanding, do you think there will come a point where they consider buying new A320neo aircraft?


I think you only see that if they get a sweet deal, similar to the end of line ceo's that they ordered. It's pretty clear on the acquisition side that they like to keep their capx as low as possible.
 
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Re: Allegiant News and Discussion Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 29, 2020 3:41 pm

I would like to see IND-RNO or CVG-RNO

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Re: Allegiant News and Discussion Thread - 2020

Thu Feb 06, 2020 3:10 pm

A320 N277NV is en route from TPA to SFB to enter active service. 55 x A320 active now at Allegiant.
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Re: Allegiant News and Discussion Thread - 2020

Tue Feb 11, 2020 1:32 pm

https://thepointsguy.com/news/allegiant ... o-florida/
Another expansion:
San Diego (SAN)

Billings, Montana (BIL): Begins June 4, two flights a week (seasonal)

Idaho Falls, Idaho (IDA): Begins June 5, two flights a week (seasonal)

Las Vegas (LAS): Begins June 3, six flights a week (seasonal)

Medford, Oregon (MFR): Begins June 4, two flights a week (seasonal)

Sioux Falls, South Dakota (FSD): Begins June 5, two flights a week (seasonal)

Tulsa, Oklahoma (TUL): Begins June 3, two flights a week (seasonal)


Las Vegas McCarran (LAS)


Fort Wayne, Indiana (FWA): Begins June 4, two flights a week (seasonal)

San Diego (SAN): Begins June 3, two flights a week (seasonal)

Tucson, Arizona (TUS): Begins June 5, two flights a week (seasonal)

Destin/Fort Walton Beach, Florida (VPS)

Bloomington/Normal, Illinois (BMI): Begins June 4, two flights a week (seasonal)
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Re: Allegiant News and Discussion Thread - 2020

Tue Feb 11, 2020 2:12 pm

Something's not right. Under the SAN section it says LAS will be 6x weekly. Under the LAS section it says SAN will be 2x weekly.
 
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Re: Allegiant News and Discussion Thread - 2020

Tue Feb 11, 2020 4:17 pm

ibthebigd wrote:
I would like to see IND-RNO or CVG-RNO

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I agree, I’d love to see RNO start to enjoy some expansion, think G4 is the perfect model to support the Reno/Tahoe region.
 
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Re: Allegiant News and Discussion Thread - 2020

Tue Feb 11, 2020 5:41 pm

AirportRival wrote:
Something's not right. Under the SAN section it says LAS will be 6x weekly. Under the LAS section it says SAN will be 2x weekly.


It is 6x/week each way per G4 app booking engine. Seems an odd add for them as it is a very well-covered route.
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Re: Allegiant News and Discussion Thread - 2020

Tue Feb 11, 2020 6:31 pm

Of course we don’t know exact details or routes that Breeze will be announcing but I feel with all the expansion lately by G4, they are adding routes that Breeze potentially could’ve been looking into. IDA-SAN was specifically mentioned as an example of a route that Breeze could do in an interview that Neeleman gave and now its added by G4.
 
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Re: Allegiant News and Discussion Thread - 2020

Tue Feb 11, 2020 7:08 pm

Could Allegiant tinker with offering limited connections out of LAS? Cities with way more than 2x weekly frequencies like MEM/LAS and now LAS/SAN, I could see it. The red eye to MEM on Sundays to Memphis from LAS comes to mind as lending itself to connecting back from SAN


Frontier did SAN/TUL, now this. TUL must be offering some sweet candy for this.
 
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Re: Allegiant News and Discussion Thread - 2020

Wed Feb 12, 2020 1:19 am

Midwestindy wrote:
https://thepointsguy.com/news/allegiant-air-adds-9-nonstop-routes-las-vegas-san-diego-florida/
Another expansion:
San Diego (SAN)

Billings, Montana (BIL): Begins June 4, two flights a week (seasonal)

Idaho Falls, Idaho (IDA): Begins June 5, two flights a week (seasonal)

Las Vegas (LAS): Begins June 3, six flights a week (seasonal)

Medford, Oregon (MFR): Begins June 4, two flights a week (seasonal)

Sioux Falls, South Dakota (FSD): Begins June 5, two flights a week (seasonal)

Tulsa, Oklahoma (TUL): Begins June 3, two flights a week (seasonal)


Las Vegas McCarran (LAS)


Fort Wayne, Indiana (FWA): Begins June 4, two flights a week (seasonal)

San Diego (SAN): Begins June 3, two flights a week (seasonal)

Tucson, Arizona (TUS): Begins June 5, two flights a week (seasonal)

Destin/Fort Walton Beach, Florida (VPS)

Bloomington/Normal, Illinois (BMI): Begins June 4, two flights a week (seasonal)


FWA-LAS has been a long time coming (back). Didn’t expect this one coming back so soon after FWA-SRQ started, so I assume that FWA-SRQ was a success.

Seems like G4 at FWA is on a roll as of late in general: 3 year-round Florida routes (SFB, PIE, PGD), 2 seasonal East Coast sun routes (SRQ, MYR), and 2 seasonal Western routes (LAS, AZA). That’s 7 routes, half the airport’s total of 14, though not all operate simultaneously, and (this is Allegiant, of course) none operate daily. Quite a comeback after a 2009 Great Recession low of just SFB and PIE where locals were doubting if they would continue with FL’s renegade-strategy pricing at IND and DAY. Maybe VPS or SAV could be tried next?

If UA can add DEN with their ongoing DEN expansion, and FWA has expressed their desire to local media, FWA will be one of the few 15-city non-hub airports in the US. Don’t think we’ll go beyond 16 or 17 until the terminal expansion is done. Even then, FWA is CUTE so they can use an A32x-capable gate when AA/DL/UA aren’t parking planes at them.
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Re: Allegiant News and Discussion Thread - 2020

Thu Feb 13, 2020 5:35 pm

A320 N295NV is en route from GYR to IWA/AZA to enter active service. 56 x A320 active now at Allegiant.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N295NV
 
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Re: Allegiant News and Discussion Thread - 2020

Thu Feb 13, 2020 10:04 pm

jgcotter wrote:
A320 N295NV is en route from GYR to IWA/AZA to enter active service. 56 x A320 active now at Allegiant.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N295NV

Diverted back to GYR.
 
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Re: Allegiant News and Discussion Thread - 2020

Fri Feb 14, 2020 5:15 pm

A320 N239NV ferried OSR-KEF-PSM-LCQ 13-14 Feb on delivery.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N239NV
 
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Re: Allegiant News and Discussion Thread - 2020

Thu Feb 20, 2020 7:29 pm

A320 N238NV is en route from OSR-KEF-BGR-LCQ, 20-21 Feb on delivery.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N238NV
 
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Re: Allegiant News and Discussion Thread - 2020

Thu Feb 20, 2020 9:52 pm

Midwestindy wrote:

The new seasonal routes from Des Moines International Airport (DSM) include: MDW, MEM, AUS


DSM-AUS has already been extended beyond the summer. It's now bookable through the end of November. It was originally supposed to end Aug 16th.
 
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Re: Allegiant News and Discussion Thread - 2020

Fri Feb 21, 2020 2:01 pm

jgcotter wrote:
A320 N238NV is en route from OSR-KEF-BGR-LCQ, 20-21 Feb on delivery.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N238NV

Correction; OSR-KEF-BGR-VQQ.
 
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Re: Allegiant News and Discussion Thread - 2020

Fri Feb 28, 2020 5:52 pm

A320 N295NV is en route from GYR to VQQ for further induction work.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N295NV
 
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Re: Allegiant News and Discussion Thread - 2020

Sun Mar 01, 2020 12:35 am

A320 N236NV is en route from LCQ to SFB to enter active service. 56 x A320 active now at Allegiant.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N236NV
 
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Re: Allegiant News and Discussion Thread - 2020

Wed Mar 04, 2020 4:05 pm

21st base will be in Concord, NC opening in October.

Didn't expect it to be next....

http://ir.allegiantair.com/news-release ... h-carolina
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Re: Allegiant News and Discussion Thread - 2020

Wed Mar 04, 2020 4:56 pm

What is the largest year around city that is not a base now?

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Re: Allegiant News and Discussion Thread - 2020

Wed Mar 04, 2020 4:58 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
21st base will be in Concord, NC opening in October.

Didn't expect it to be next....

http://ir.allegiantair.com/news-release ... h-carolina


The city of Concord live streamed the announcement on their FB page. Allegiant announced they will base two A320s in Concord and teased an announcement coming soon.
 
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Re: Allegiant News and Discussion Thread - 2020

Wed Mar 04, 2020 6:51 pm

I wonder what the hold on on BLV is. I figured by now it would be
 
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Re: Allegiant News and Discussion Thread - 2020

Wed Mar 04, 2020 7:05 pm

ibthebigd wrote:
What is the largest year around city that is not a base now?

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What counts as a base?

Is SRQ a base?
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Re: Allegiant News and Discussion Thread - 2020

Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:40 pm

ibthebigd wrote:
What is the largest year around city that is not a base now?

SAN is large, not a base, and has year-round service (I think.) Maybe your answer?

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Re: Allegiant News and Discussion Thread - 2020

Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:35 pm

I remember 10 years ago it was thought GSP was for sure going to be the next base. Now it’s everything BUT GSP in the region. Wonder how that happened?
 
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Re: Allegiant News and Discussion Thread - 2020

Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:40 pm

ibthebigd wrote:
What is the largest year around city that is not a base now?

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Smaller Midwest cities like FSD have to be getting up there - 4-5 departures per day, with more slotted for the summer
 
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Re: Allegiant News and Discussion Thread - 2020

Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:42 pm

ibthebigd wrote:
What is the largest year around city that is not a base now?

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Nashville is big and growing. Is it a base?
 
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Re: Allegiant News and Discussion Thread - 2020

Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:54 pm

Alligent Air bases: Allentown, Asheville, Bellingham, Cincinnati, Concord, Des Moines, Fort Walton Beach, Fort Lauderdale, Grand Rapids, Indianapolis. Knoxville, Las Vegas, Los Angeles, Nashville, Oakland, Orlando/Sanford, Phoenix/Mesa, Pittsburgh, Punta Gorda, Savannah, St. Petersburg.
 
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Re: Allegiant News and Discussion Thread - 2020

Thu Mar 05, 2020 1:49 am

As for biggest stations that aren't a base.

Just listing ones I saw mentioned here. I can add more if people want to know others.

G4 total passengers estimates for 19. Some don't have December so I just based that off 2018 Dec.

BLV 300K
SRQ 295K - this one actually surprises me it isn't yet.
FSD 195K
GSP 103K
SAN 55K - For some reason only had Jan-Sep. So I took last 3 months of 2018 to add to it, which I think probably was on the high side.

Concord was 343K for comparison.
 
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Re: Allegiant News and Discussion Thread - 2020

Thu Mar 05, 2020 2:02 am

Jshank83 wrote:
As for biggest stations that aren't a base.

Just listing ones I saw mentioned here. I can add more if people want to know others.

G4 total passengers estimates for 19. Some don't have December so I just based that off 2018 Dec.

BLV 300K
SRQ 295K - this one actually surprises me it isn't yet.
FSD 195K
GSP 103K
SAN 55K - For some reason only had Jan-Sep. So I took last 3 months of 2018 to add to it, which I think probably was on the high side.

Concord was 343K for comparison.


Don’t forget LCK at 301k for 2019.
 
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Re: Allegiant News and Discussion Thread - 2020

Thu Mar 05, 2020 2:04 am

Anyone know how Allegiant is doing at SCE?
 
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Re: Allegiant News and Discussion Thread - 2020

Thu Mar 05, 2020 2:14 am

smokeybandit wrote:
Anyone know how Allegiant is doing at SCE?


LFs for the first 2 months Oct/Nov were 54%
 
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Re: Allegiant News and Discussion Thread - 2020

Thu Mar 05, 2020 2:24 am

Jshank83 wrote:
smokeybandit wrote:
Anyone know how Allegiant is doing at SCE?


LFs for the first 2 months Oct/Nov were 54%



Thanks. I was hoping it'd be doing better.
 
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Re: Allegiant News and Discussion Thread - 2020

Thu Mar 05, 2020 2:28 am

Any idea on loads out of STC?? St Cloud MN. I think they still do year round to IWA?? PHX area if my airport code is wrong
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Re: Allegiant News and Discussion Thread - 2020

Thu Mar 05, 2020 4:10 am

sunking737 wrote:
Any idea on loads out of STC?? St Cloud MN. I think they still do year round to IWA?? PHX area if my airport code is wrong


84% for all allegiant routes from Jan-Nov 2019. Looks like they do Punta Gorda also
 
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Re: Allegiant News and Discussion Thread - 2020

Thu Mar 05, 2020 4:51 am

Jshank83 wrote:
As for biggest stations that aren't a base.

Just listing ones I saw mentioned here. I can add more if people want to know others.

G4 total passengers estimates for 19. Some don't have December so I just based that off 2018 Dec.

BLV 300K
SRQ 295K - this one actually surprises me it isn't yet.
FSD 195K
GSP 103K
SAN 55K - For some reason only had Jan-Sep. So I took last 3 months of 2018 to add to it, which I think probably was on the high side.

Concord was 343K for comparison.


Although G4 has only the single FAT-LAS route, I believe Fresno is about 140K for Allegiant.
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