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Re: Denver Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Apr 14, 2020 8:38 pm

DEN getting $269 million from the CARES act. I don't know how that compares to other airports

https://twitter.com/DENAirport/status/1 ... 8916614146
 
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Re: Denver Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Apr 14, 2020 10:37 pm

Have they shut down any of the concourses yet?
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Re: Denver Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Apr 14, 2020 10:50 pm

intotheair wrote:
Have they shut down any of the concourses yet?


There are no plans to shut down any portions of the concourses. In fact, United plans to incrementally increase flying from the drastically lowered current levels beginning May 20; including the non-stops to Tokyo, Frankfurt and London. These plans could change of course, but as of now, that is the schedule.
 
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Re: Denver Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Apr 16, 2020 2:58 am

smokeybandit wrote:
DEN getting $269 million from the CARES act. I don't know how that compares to other airports

https://twitter.com/DENAirport/status/1 ... 8916614146


Here are the Top 10 US airports for comparison (in millions)
ATL: 338
LAX: 323
ORD: 294
DFW: 299
DEN: 269
JFK: 193
SFO: 254
SEA: 192
LAS: 195
MCO: 170
I know passenger counts were one of the factors used not sure about how else they allocated the money.

As far as closing concourses it has been discussed but I don't see much happening, C could probably be condensed to A but I don't know how much that would help as I see things picking up after May.
 
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Re: Denver Aviation Thread - 2020

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Re: Denver Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed May 06, 2020 2:48 am

Today DEN asked City Council for additional funding from the Capital Improvement Plan for improvements to the existing concourses, the total amount being requested is 560 million. It's unclear if this money is coming from the first bond package or additional bonds will be issued. The reason this is being brought up now is to move up the timeline to hopefully complete the majority of the work while passenger counts are down. While there is nothing specific, here is a general list from the document of what will be improved: Renovate existing hold rooms, conveyances, bathrooms and finishes in the concourses.

Link to the full document: https://denver.legistar.com/View.ashx?M=F&ID=8275334&GUID=468AC1D9-34EB-4249-892C-2C35942D6568
https://denver.legistar.com/LegislationDetail.aspx?ID=4429772&GUID=0385A933-DEB4-4205-AD7A-416A73926B66

Also pics of the Southwest Hangar progress:
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Re: Denver Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed May 06, 2020 4:47 am

Amount depends on what amount Jared Douchner allocated.

DEN1895 wrote:
smokeybandit wrote:
DEN getting $269 million from the CARES act. I don't know how that compares to other airports

https://twitter.com/DENAirport/status/1 ... 8916614146


Here are the Top 10 US airports for comparison (in millions)
ATL: 338
LAX: 323
ORD: 294
DFW: 299
DEN: 269
JFK: 193
SFO: 254
SEA: 192
LAS: 195
MCO: 170
I know passenger counts were one of the factors used not sure about how else they allocated the money.

As far as closing concourses it has been discussed but I don't see much happening, C could probably be condensed to A but I don't know how much that would help as I see things picking up after May.
 
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Re: Denver Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun May 17, 2020 10:53 pm

Airfield Construction Update:

Its has been a few months since the last update, some projects have changed quite a bit, while others look pretty much the same.

A West:
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Doesn't seem like much has changed, the ramp level floor is currently being constructed, I have heard that the vertical steel construction should start soon.

B West:
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Since most of the work remaining is now interior work not much has changed on the exterior, the roof was finished, and paving has started in the new gate areas.

B East:
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Roughly half of the steel construction is complete, keep in mind this will be the 2nd project to finish after B West.

C East:
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C has made a ton of progress, the steel structure is almost complete and it appears they are getting ready to start hanging the exterior. If the process is similar to B West once that process starts they moved along very quickly since the exterior is prefabricated.

While there is no longer any rush to complete the projects they are all moving along pretty nicely, next up will be an interior update.
 
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Re: Denver Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun May 17, 2020 11:13 pm

DEN1895 wrote:
Airfield Construction Update:

Its has been a few months since the last update, some projects have changed quite a bit, while others look pretty much the same.


Thank you for providing the updates. It has been nearly 3 months since I have last been at the airport, so this is appreciated.
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Re: Denver Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue May 19, 2020 3:32 am

A few interior updates around DEN

Centurion Lounge on C, still making slow progress, took down one of the construction walls, last I heard the opening was planned for Oct/Nov.
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Starbucks on B has been complete since April, opening postponed until things pick back up, worth noting that Garbanzo on B is also complete and awaiting traffic to pick up before opening.
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Main Terminal
Since the new company has taken over in the middle of March they have been making excellent progress, this project will benefit the most from the reduced passenger traffic as much larger sections of the terminal have been closed and work hours have been extended to be nearly 24/7.

Most of the interior work has been focused on the West side as the exit from the train on that side has been shut down completely for 6 weeks. At the beginning of April very little of the extended level 6 was complete, now a good portion of the new platform is constructed. Before COVID the contractors were only allowed to shut down the train exits after 8pm, now they are working 24 hours a day. West terminal from the south side:
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Unrelated to the Great Hall but working on the same schedule is the train door replacement project. This project includes replacing all of the station doors in all train stations throughout the airport, to speed up the project the team is working on the West side train platform while the Great Hall also has it closed. this is the west platform right now:
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On the exterior of the terminal a crane was installed today on the East side, this will be used to expand the terminal outward towards the garages to allow for more space, in about 4-6 weeks a similar crane will be installed on the West side. The cranes will be up for approximately 12 weeks.
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While not construction related, the North screening checkpoint will be reopening this week to help with the memorial day crowds. At this point it is unknown if it will remain open after the holiday.
 
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Re: Denver Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue May 19, 2020 3:23 pm

Appreciate all the information and photo shots of the more recent construction progress.

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Re: Denver Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue May 26, 2020 2:29 pm

Now if they could just re-open burger king or panda express in the terminal I'd be happy.

DEN1895 or anyone who knows, have a few questions

With the concourse expansion are they lengthening the cargo tunnels below the concourses with new access point above or are they going to continue to use the same setup they've had? (I remember even in 2006 working ramp with America West in 2006 it was getting pretty crazy)

Any idea on how man/what planes are still parked due to covid-19? I normally go down every few weeks just to see whats parked along 8/26 (2 weeks ago i seem to recall mostly UA 737s including the star wars 737, a few 319's, what appeared to be 5-6 787s over by the UA maintenance hangar and then 5-6 757s along 16R/34L) also flightradar keeps indicating that there are quite a few stored along 17L/35R, although I haven't driven to the terminal parking garages due to the stay at home order that was in effect to see for myself.

Are there still any rumors going around that they might allow non ticketed passengers to go onto the concourses?
 
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Re: Denver Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue May 26, 2020 2:40 pm

The basement is being extended on A-Con West, but not on B Con. Don't think it was expanded on C. No new tunnels or ramps up to the surface though.
 
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Re: Denver Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue May 26, 2020 6:34 pm

AndoAv8R wrote:
Now if they could just re-open burger king or panda express in the terminal I'd be happy.

DEN1895 or anyone who knows, have a few questions

With the concourse expansion are they lengthening the cargo tunnels below the concourses with new access point above or are they going to continue to use the same setup they've had? (I remember even in 2006 working ramp with America West in 2006 it was getting pretty crazy)

Any idea on how man/what planes are still parked due to covid-19? I normally go down every few weeks just to see whats parked along 8/26 (2 weeks ago i seem to recall mostly UA 737s including the star wars 737, a few 319's, what appeared to be 5-6 787s over by the UA maintenance hangar and then 5-6 757s along 16R/34L) also flightradar keeps indicating that there are quite a few stored along 17L/35R, although I haven't driven to the terminal parking garages due to the stay at home order that was in effect to see for myself.

Are there still any rumors going around that they might allow non ticketed passengers to go onto the concourses?


In regards to your tunnel question, both A and C concourse basements are getting extended, the picture below is of C concourse on ramp level and you can see they add a new ramp in the last sub-core. I am unsure if A is getting one as well, but it would make sense.

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In regard to parked aircraft, we have dropped quite a bit from the 70-80 aircraft we had in April, currently there are about 45 UA aircraft at the airport, with F9 storing about 10 and WN keeping 5 or so on the north side of C. Both F9 an WN seem to be rotating through their aircraft as none are prepped for long term storage. As 35L is closed this summer for construction, the FAA wanted 8/26 back, since then UA's aircraft have been scattered around a bit. There are about 10 on the west side north of C, there are probably 10+ including 2 777s on TWY EA which is between 35L and 35R down south, and the rest are still up by the UA hangar where they have one taxiway closed and the EE deice pad. The link below is a great source for tracking UA's parked aircraft nation wide, made by a user in the United thread:

https://public.tableau.com/profile/rpaulson#!/vizhome/UnitedStoredAircraft/GroundedUnitedFleetStatus
 
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Re: Denver Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed May 27, 2020 4:01 am

On Thursday, WN will be extending its flight schedules to January 4, 2021.

Even though WN DEN-HDN nonstop flights haven't yet been added to WN flight schedules, WN had announced back on February 24th that it was planning on adding DEN-HDN nonstop service.

I had also previously mentioned WN possibly re-adding DEN-MHT and DEN-PVD nonstop service as WN had been able to make DEN-MHT and DEN-PVD nonstop service work in the past, even after adding DEN-BOS nonstop service but prior to dropping DEN-MHT and DEN-PVD nonstop service.

While WN already serves most of its contiguous U.S. destinations nonstop from DEN, there are still a few more nonstop routes that could be added by WN out of DEN such as DEN-BHM, DEN-CLT, DEN-LIT, DEN-MAF, DEN-RIC, and DEN-ICT.

Is WN likely to announce any new nonstop routes out of DEN in Thursday's schedule extension?
 
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Re: Denver Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu May 28, 2020 6:22 pm

jplatts wrote:
On Thursday, WN will be extending its flight schedules to January 4, 2021.

Even though WN DEN-HDN nonstop flights haven't yet been added to WN flight schedules, WN had announced back on February 24th that it was planning on adding DEN-HDN nonstop service.

I had also previously mentioned WN possibly re-adding DEN-MHT and DEN-PVD nonstop service as WN had been able to make DEN-MHT and DEN-PVD nonstop service work in the past, even after adding DEN-BOS nonstop service but prior to dropping DEN-MHT and DEN-PVD nonstop service.

While WN already serves most of its contiguous U.S. destinations nonstop from DEN, there are still a few more nonstop routes that could be added by WN out of DEN such as DEN-BHM, DEN-CLT, DEN-LIT, DEN-MAF, DEN-RIC, and DEN-ICT.

Is WN likely to announce any new nonstop routes out of DEN in Thursday's schedule extension?

Southwest did announce new routes. Take a look here.
https://thepointsguy.com/news/southwest ... -schedule/
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Re: Denver Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu May 28, 2020 7:59 pm

Delta350 wrote:
Southwest did announce new routes. Take a look here.
https://thepointsguy.com/news/southwest ... -schedule/

Denver: Birmingham (BHM), Little Rock (LIT) and Wichita (ICT) all on Dec. 17
 
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Re: Denver Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun May 31, 2020 4:26 pm

Anyone have knowledge of when Lufthansa, British airways and other international carries might return to Denver?
 
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Re: Denver Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Jun 04, 2020 4:29 pm

There will only be 17 WN destinations remaining in the contiguous U.S. without nonstop service out DEN on WN once WN starts DEN-BHM/CLT/LIT/ICT nonstop service on December 17th, and these 17 destinations are AMA, CRP, DCA, ECP, GSP, HRL, LBB, LGB, MAF, MHT, ORF, PBI, PNS, PVD, PWM, RIC, and ROC.

While WN hasn't yet added DEN-RIC nonstop service, WN adding DEN-RIC nonstop service is a possibility with
(a) RIC being one of the top destinations that WN doesn't currently serve nonstop from DEN,
(b) WN recently adding nonstop service to DEN from a few other destinations inherited through the WN-FL merger such as DSM, CLT, MEM, and ICT,
(c) RIC losing 1-stop connecting service to the West Coast on WN once WN discontinues ATL-LAX/OAK/SAN nonstop service whereas almost all of the other WN stations in the US (including both the contiguous U.S. and Hawaii) will still have nonstop or 1-stop connecting service to California on WN,
(d) an average of over 900 passengers per day in each direction traveling to Western U.S. markets served by WN from RIC in Q3 2019,
(e) RIC being one of the largest markets in the contiguous U.S. without nonstop LCC service out of DEN, and
(f) WN still planning on significantly expanding at DEN.

WN can likely make DEN-RIC nonstop service work with the significant amount of passengers connecting to domestic destinations west of the Rocky Mountains from RIC, with RIC currently having no nonstop service to any domestic destinations west of DEN, with WN dropping nonstop service to the West Coast from ATL, and with WN having some O&D traffic on the DEN-RIC route if WN adds DEN-RIC nonstop service.

I had also previously mentioned WN re-adding DEN-MHT and DEN-PVD nonstop service as a possibility as WN had been able to make these 2 nonstop routes work in the past, even after adding DEN-BOS nonstop service but prior to dropping DEN-MHT/PVD nonstop service.

WN extending DEN-ORF nonstop service from seasonal to year-round is also a possibility as the Hampton Roads area will be the largest market in the 50 states without year-round nonstop service to DEN on WN once WN starts DEN-CLT nonstop service. There is also a significant amount of passengers traveling to domestic destinations west of DEN from the Hampton Roads area as there was an average of approximately 900 passengers per day in each direction traveling to domestic destinations west of DEN from ORF/PHF in Q3 2019.
 
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Re: Denver Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Jun 04, 2020 4:34 pm

jplatts wrote:
There will only be 17 WN destinations remaining in the contiguous U.S. without nonstop service out DEN on WN once WN starts DEN-BHM/CLT/LIT/ICT nonstop service on December 17th, and these 17 destinations are AMA, CRP, DCA, ECP, GSP, HRL, LBB, LGB, MAF, MHT, ORF, PBI, PNS, PVD, PWM, RIC, and ROC.


Is WN ceasing DEN-LBB in the near future? I know they are still flying it now - they started that route within the past couple years.
 
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Thu Jun 04, 2020 4:54 pm

keithvh2001 wrote:
jplatts wrote:
There will only be 17 WN destinations remaining in the contiguous U.S. without nonstop service out DEN on WN once WN starts DEN-BHM/CLT/LIT/ICT nonstop service on December 17th, and these 17 destinations are AMA, CRP, DCA, ECP, GSP, HRL, LBB, LGB, MAF, MHT, ORF, PBI, PNS, PVD, PWM, RIC, and ROC.


Is WN ceasing DEN-LBB in the near future? I know they are still flying it now - they started that route within the past couple years.


WN is ending DEN-LBB nonstop service on October 30th, and WN only had a load factor of 58.02% on the DEN-LBB nonstop route in the 11/4/2018 through 2/29/2020 time period whereas most of the other WN nonstop routes out of DEN had much higher load factors than DEN-LBB.

Here are the load factors on WN DEN-LBB nonstop flights per month:
Nov 2018 - 64.47%
Dec 2018 - 64.29%
Jan 2019 - 50.21%
Feb 2019 - 52.88%
Mar 2019 - 56.88%
Apr 2019 - 57.30%
May 2019 - 62.47%
Jun 2019 - 63.02%
Jul 2019 - 61.29%
Aug 2019 - 59.40%
Sep 2019 - 60.65%
Oct 2019 - 60.22%
Nov 2019 - 59.17%
Dec 2019 - 65.86%
Jan 2020 - 47.11%
Feb 2020 - 42.52%

I can understand WN dropping DEN-LBB nonstop service with load factors being much lower on DEN-LBB than most of the other WN nonstop routes out of DEN and with most of the other WN nonstop routes out of DEN being to bigger markets.
 
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Thu Jun 04, 2020 5:10 pm

I really wish we could get a DEN-CRP nonstop if not a few times a week, would make traveling with 2 kids to see the in laws so much easier.
 
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Re: Denver Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Jun 04, 2020 6:04 pm

LBB service still accessible via DAL, HOU, LAS, and AUS.

In other news, Alaska Airlines in restarting PDX-DEN eff. Sept. 1. Once daily.
 
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Re: Denver Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Jun 05, 2020 6:35 pm

jplatts wrote:
keithvh2001 wrote:
jplatts wrote:
There will only be 17 WN destinations remaining in the contiguous U.S. without nonstop service out DEN on WN once WN starts DEN-BHM/CLT/LIT/ICT nonstop service on December 17th, and these 17 destinations are AMA, CRP, DCA, ECP, GSP, HRL, LBB, LGB, MAF, MHT, ORF, PBI, PNS, PVD, PWM, RIC, and ROC.


Is WN ceasing DEN-LBB in the near future? I know they are still flying it now - they started that route within the past couple years.


WN is ending DEN-LBB nonstop service on October 30th, and WN only had a load factor of 58.02% on the DEN-LBB nonstop route in the 11/4/2018 through 2/29/2020 time period whereas most of the other WN nonstop routes out of DEN had much higher load factors than DEN-LBB.

Here are the load factors on WN DEN-LBB nonstop flights per month:
Nov 2018 - 64.47%
Dec 2018 - 64.29%
Jan 2019 - 50.21%
Feb 2019 - 52.88%
Mar 2019 - 56.88%
Apr 2019 - 57.30%
May 2019 - 62.47%
Jun 2019 - 63.02%
Jul 2019 - 61.29%
Aug 2019 - 59.40%
Sep 2019 - 60.65%
Oct 2019 - 60.22%
Nov 2019 - 59.17%
Dec 2019 - 65.86%
Jan 2020 - 47.11%
Feb 2020 - 42.52%

I can understand WN dropping DEN-LBB nonstop service with load factors being much lower on DEN-LBB than most of the other WN nonstop routes out of DEN and with most of the other WN nonstop routes out of DEN being to bigger markets.


Thanks for that info - no, those load factors are not good. It makes sense for WN to go for bigger markets. WN west-bound traffic from LBB can still connect over LAS anyway.
 
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Re: Denver Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Jun 14, 2020 10:10 pm

June Airfield Construction Update:

A Concourse
While A Con is hard to get good photos of as the construction area has expanded on every side, A Con has reached an important milestone of constructing the above ground steel, usually once this phase start construction moves quickly and the building starts to take shape, for reference C Concourse started it's steel work at the end of December. The project has expanded considerably as they have started working on the ramp to tie it in to the existing ramp. This construction was scheduled to happen later in the project, but due to the slowdown in traffic the timeline was moved up.
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B West
B West is still progressing , besides the ramp level and the tie in to the existing concourse, the exterior appears to be mostly complete, the outdoor space is visible, and the vertical walls seen below coming from the ramp are the support/gate house for the future jet bridges. while this expansion is only 4 gates, 2 existing gates will now have hold rooms in the new expansion. One of these relocated gates is B11 which has been removed from the existing concourse in preparation for its new home. I think once the ramp paving is complete we should see the rest of the jet bridges added on, they are already on site in storage.
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B Middle?
Starting just recently is the ramp rehab project (GARDI), this project was suspended last year as traffic was too high to have gates closed. With the traffic drop the project has restarted and has also increased in speed by having more gates closed at one time. This project takes the ramp all the way down to the dirt, replaces all utilities, and removes the old baggage system from the ramp. This project has also helped with realigning the gates to better fit UA's needs.
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B East
The steel structure appears to be mostly complete now, I believe it needs to be extended a little farther East, the exterior facade should follow soon. Sorry, it is hard to get the project in one shot.
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C Concourse
From what I can observe, it appears the steel structure for C Concourse is now it's full length, and it is massive. It appears they are readying the exterior for the facade to be added soon.
Looking West
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Looking East
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North of C
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Last but not least, the Southwest Hangar appears to be progressing nicely, since this is an outside project I don't have as much information. The last update from the beginning of this year was the project should be complete in Q4 2020 or Q1 2021.
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Re: Denver Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Jun 15, 2020 8:35 pm

Thanx for the update.
 
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Tue Jun 16, 2020 4:32 pm

Again appreciate the updates for the DIA construction progress. Nice to be able to see photos of what has been happening versus reading excerpts from the airport.
Do you have any information in regard to gate leases that were to be signed prior to Covid. I know UA had a big splash about their new agreement with the airport. But do not recall hearing anything in regards to Southwest, Frontier, Delta or American?

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Re: Denver Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Jun 16, 2020 4:53 pm

Frontier14 wrote:
Again appreciate the updates for the DIA construction progress. Nice to be able to see photos of what has been happening versus reading excerpts from the airport.
Do you have any information in regard to gate leases that were to be signed prior to Covid. I know UA had a big splash about their new agreement with the airport. But do not recall hearing anything in regards to Southwest, Frontier, Delta or American?

Frontier 14


I believe both UA and WN have signed their leases, but nothing else as of yet.
 
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Re: Denver Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Jun 16, 2020 5:23 pm

The WN lease was signed 3/9 (or 3/10).
City Council website: https://denver.legistar.com/Legislation ... 711032FAA3

The lease: https://denver.legistar.com/View.ashx?M ... 63B1996BD3

They are signed up for 40 gates.

The preferential use facilities include, as of the Effective Date, the following current gates and associated holdrooms on the C Concourse: C-23 – C-37, inclusive, C-40 – C-47, inclusive, C-49, and C-51. The parties further agree that upon the Date of Beneficial Occupancy (the “DBO”) for the Concourse C CEP, Airline shall have preferential use of the following additional gates and associated holdrooms: C-48 – C-50, inclusive, and C-52 – C-67, inclusive (the “New C Demised Premises”); provided, however, that at DBO for the New C Demised Premises, Airline shall no longer have preferential use of the following gates and associated holdrooms: C-30, C-32, C-34 and C-36.


4 gates will not be for WN, so C ends up with 44 gates.
 
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Re: Denver Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Jun 16, 2020 5:35 pm

The diagrams in the lease PDF (page 46) shows a plane at what would be C38, but no gate number.

I assume that means C38 is not usable - it is adjacent to the central hub of C-Concourse and has an extended jetway in the diagram to fit the plane shown between C36 and the service road.
 
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Re: Denver Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Jun 16, 2020 5:40 pm

Perhaps C38 is excluded from the lease agreement because it is already a city gate and not part of the existing lease agreement. C30-C38 would be enough room for Delta to move back to C when United takes over their current gates. Coincidentally, this includes the gates originally used by Northwest before the merger.
 
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Re: Denver Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Jun 16, 2020 5:42 pm

C38 is not included in the lease as that is a city gate.
 
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Tue Jun 16, 2020 6:22 pm

What's a city gate? Simply one not leased by an airline?
 
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Re: Denver Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Jun 16, 2020 6:55 pm

smokeybandit wrote:
What's a city gate? Simply one not leased by an airline?


It is a common use gate, currently at DEN, A33-47 odd number gates are city gates along with A52 and C38. These gates have no specific lease for an airline and they are pay per use. For C38 UA currently has priority due to construction on B.
 
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Re: Denver Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Jun 16, 2020 8:58 pm

Please keep politics out of the discussion. Thank you!
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Re: Denver Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Jun 16, 2020 9:42 pm

DEN had its first international arrival today since 4/1. Volaris from Guadalajara.
 
ScottB
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Re: Denver Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Jun 16, 2020 11:01 pm

ADent wrote:
They are signed up for 40 gates.

The preferential use facilities include, as of the Effective Date, the following current gates and associated holdrooms on the C Concourse: C-23 – C-37, inclusive, C-40 – C-47, inclusive, C-49, and C-51. The parties further agree that upon the Date of Beneficial Occupancy (the “DBO”) for the Concourse C CEP, Airline shall have preferential use of the following additional gates and associated holdrooms: C-48 – C-50, inclusive, and C-52 – C-67, inclusive (the “New C Demised Premises”); provided, however, that at DBO for the New C Demised Premises, Airline shall no longer have preferential use of the following gates and associated holdrooms: C-30, C-32, C-34 and C-36.


4 gates will not be for WN, so C ends up with 44 gates.


Not to be pedantic, but unless C38 is being closed, there would be 45 gates on C. Also, it looks like WN will not have six (or five) gates: C30, C32, C34, C36, C38, and C39, leaving them with 39 gates.
 
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Re: Denver Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Jun 17, 2020 5:07 am

ScottB wrote:
ADent wrote:
They are signed up for 40 gates.

The preferential use facilities include, as of the Effective Date, the following current gates and associated holdrooms on the C Concourse: C-23 – C-37, inclusive, C-40 – C-47, inclusive, C-49, and C-51. The parties further agree that upon the Date of Beneficial Occupancy (the “DBO”) for the Concourse C CEP, Airline shall have preferential use of the following additional gates and associated holdrooms: C-48 – C-50, inclusive, and C-52 – C-67, inclusive (the “New C Demised Premises”); provided, however, that at DBO for the New C Demised Premises, Airline shall no longer have preferential use of the following gates and associated holdrooms: C-30, C-32, C-34 and C-36.


4 gates will not be for WN, so C ends up with 44 gates.


Not to be pedantic, but unless C38 is being closed, there would be 45 gates on C. Also, it looks like WN will not have six (or five) gates: C30, C32, C34, C36, C38, and C39, leaving them with 39 gates.


C-38 is not labeled on the diagram. Do a search and the text is there, just invisible. I count 45 gates from the pretty diagram, 44 of them with visible labels.

From the text above WN gets C23-C37 (15), C40-C47 (8), C49 (1), C51 (1), +C48-C50 (2 C49 already counted), C52-C67 (16) -C30,C32,C34,C36(4) = 39.

All the press reports say 40.

But the math checks out - thanx for actually doing it.
 
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Re: Denver Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Jun 17, 2020 1:03 pm

Out of the 44 C gates 2 will be AlaskaAir and 2 will be Spirit.

Flyguy
my post are my opinion only and not those of southwest airlines and or airtran airlines.
 
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Re: Denver Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Jun 17, 2020 1:15 pm

wnflyguy wrote:
Out of the 44 C gates 2 will be AlaskaAir and 2 will be Spirit.


Is AS planning on making additional adds out of DEN beyond the already announced return of DEN-PDX nonstop service such as the return of DEN-ANC/SFO nonstop service or the addition of DEN-LAX/SAN/SJC nonstop service?
 
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Re: Denver Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Jun 17, 2020 1:30 pm

wnflyguy wrote:
Out of the 44 C gates 2 will be AlaskaAir and 2 will be Spirit.

Flyguy

So if Delta isn't going to C and is getting squeezed out of A, where are they going?
 
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Re: Denver Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Jun 17, 2020 4:17 pm

jplatts wrote:
wnflyguy wrote:
Out of the 44 C gates 2 will be AlaskaAir and 2 will be Spirit.


Is AS planning on making additional adds out of DEN beyond the already announced return of DEN-PDX nonstop service such as the return of DEN-ANC/SFO nonstop service or the addition of DEN-LAX/SAN/SJC nonstop service?


With AS joining oneworld next year, I hope they co-locate with AA for possible connections as well as club proximity - at DEN and as many airports as possible.
 
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Re: Denver Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Jun 17, 2020 4:38 pm

timf wrote:
wnflyguy wrote:
Out of the 44 C gates 2 will be AlaskaAir and 2 will be Spirit.

Flyguy

So if Delta isn't going to C and is getting squeezed out of A, where are they going?


The rumor (before the COVID-19 outbreak) was that DIA was going to announce another gate expansion phase involving the east side of Concourse A. This would have in theory involved gates for Delta and /or Frontier. Delta would like to stay on the A Concourse where its Sky Club lounge already exists.
 
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Re: Denver Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Jun 17, 2020 4:52 pm

diatraveler wrote:
timf wrote:
wnflyguy wrote:
Out of the 44 C gates 2 will be AlaskaAir and 2 will be Spirit.

Flyguy

So if Delta isn't going to C and is getting squeezed out of A, where are they going?


The rumor (before the COVID-19 outbreak) was that DIA was going to announce another gate expansion phase involving the east side of Concourse A. This would have in theory involved gates for Delta and /or Frontier. Delta would like to stay on the A Concourse where its Sky Club lounge already exists.


That’s probably on hold indefinitely now.
 
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Re: Denver Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Jun 17, 2020 5:38 pm

DENfan wrote:
With AS joining oneworld next year, I hope they co-locate with AA for possible connections as well as club proximity - at DEN and as many airports as possible.


There is no need for AS to connect passengers onto DEN-SEA/PDX nonstop flights from AA DEN-CLT/ORD/DFW/LAX/MIA/PHL/PHX flights with AA already serving SEA nonstop from CLT, ORD, DFW, LAX, MIA, PHL, and PHX, with AA already serving PDX nonstop from CLT, ORD, DFW, LAX, and PHX, with AA already offering connections to PDX from MIA through its DFW hub, and with AA already offering connections to PDX from PHL through its ORD hub.

On the other hand, AS has a need to connect some passengers onto its SEA-DEN nonstop flights from JL NRT-SEA flights or CX HKG-SEA flights with the oneworld FF base that exists in Japan and Hong Kong.
 
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Re: Denver Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Jun 17, 2020 5:56 pm

ADent wrote:
All the press reports say 40.

But the math checks out - thanx for actually doing it.


If I had to guess... someone in the press did the math wrong once and everyone else just copied them because math is hard (for some)...
 
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Re: Denver Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Jun 17, 2020 6:23 pm

ScottB wrote:
ADent wrote:
All the press reports say 40.

But the math checks out - thanx for actually doing it.


If I had to guess... someone in the press did the math wrong once and everyone else just copied them because math is hard (for some)...


It wouldn’t surprise me if the long term plan was for WN to take over the entire concourse C.
 
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Re: Denver Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Jun 17, 2020 10:54 pm

diatraveler wrote:
timf wrote:
wnflyguy wrote:
Out of the 44 C gates 2 will be AlaskaAir and 2 will be Spirit.

Flyguy

So if Delta isn't going to C and is getting squeezed out of A, where are they going?


The rumor (before the COVID-19 outbreak) was that DIA was going to announce another gate expansion phase involving the east side of Concourse A. This would have in theory involved gates for Delta and /or Frontier. Delta would like to stay on the A Concourse where its Sky Club lounge already exists.


I would not be surprised if C went 1 gate to Alaska and 3 gates to Spirit, as Spirit has been looking from more gates before COVID.

As far as the plan for A concourse, once B is finished with construction, Q4 2021, UA will move their regional ops back from the ground load facility on the East end of A. At that point some minor modifications and expansions would occur on the ground load facility to allow F9 to move all of their ops to that facility. This would free up the 4 gates that F9 would have currently, and with A52, which is currently a city gate, that would allow for 5 gates for Delta. This is only one less than they have currently, but the international city gates could be used for overflow flights from DL or AA. In this scenario, AA maintains 5 gates as well. This was the plan as of March, I am unsure if anything has changed with the budget constraints. Most of the work in this scenario would not occur until the end of 2021 or 2022, so maybe things are closer to normal by then.
 
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Re: Denver Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Jun 18, 2020 12:48 am

jplatts wrote:
DENfan wrote:
With AS joining oneworld next year, I hope they co-locate with AA for possible connections as well as club proximity - at DEN and as many airports as possible.


There is no need for AS to connect passengers onto DEN-SEA/PDX nonstop flights from AA DEN-CLT/ORD/DFW/LAX/MIA/PHL/PHX flights with AA already serving SEA nonstop from CLT, ORD, DFW, LAX, MIA, PHL, and PHX, with AA already serving PDX nonstop from CLT, ORD, DFW, LAX, and PHX, with AA already offering connections to PDX from MIA through its DFW hub, and with AA already offering connections to PDX from PHL through its ORD hub.

On the other hand, AS has a need to connect some passengers onto its SEA-DEN nonstop flights from JL NRT-SEA flights or CX HKG-SEA flights with the oneworld FF base that exists in Japan and Hong Kong.



With the poor financial situation of AA I could see them cutting LAX, PHL and even MIA in the future.AA is going to be a much smaller airline and DEN is not an important spoke.
 
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Re: Denver Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Jun 20, 2020 6:45 pm

A few operational updates:

- Several concessions have started to reopen, there were 2 opening this past week, 6 more this next week, and 4 more the following week. A lot of coffee places, a few restaurants and two stores.
- Yesterday (6/19) the airport had 21,000 passengers pass through the TSA checkpoints, an estimate for total passengers would be around 54,000 once connections and arriving passengers are factored in.
- The estimates for July 4th weekend show that there should be around 40,000 passengers going through TSA at the peak, this would be just over 100,000 passengers total.
- Due to these increases TSA will return to full staffing tomorrow (6/21) which means nearly every lane will be open again.
- To give an idea for 2019 numbers, during the July 4th week, anywhere from 69,000-76,000 passengers passed through the TSA checkpoints.

Midwestindy posted a nice graphic on the Southwest thread, but for DEN it shows that WN will be at 90%, F9 will be at 72%, and UA will be at 38% for July compared to 2019.
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