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HiFly A380 Operations Thread - 2020

Tue Dec 31, 2019 5:29 pm

Welcome to the HiFly A380 Operations Thread 2020. Please continue your discussion and to post your updates here.

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Re: HiFly A380 Operations Thread - 2020

Sun Jan 05, 2020 10:40 am

HiFly´s A380 flew yesterday, in the afternoon, Beja-Madrid, if Flight radar is correct it´s still there.
 
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Re: HiFly A380 Operations Thread - 2020

Sun Jan 05, 2020 12:05 pm

How many flights did 9H-MIP actually operate in 2019? It can't be a whole lot, with the promised single customer to operate the aircraft for the entire 2019 summer season never actually materialising.
 
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Re: HiFly A380 Operations Thread - 2020

Sun Jan 05, 2020 12:49 pm

EIBPI wrote:
with the promised single customer to operate the aircraft for the entire 2019 summer season never actually materialising.


I never heard HiFly would operate their A380 for a single customer. That also doesn't make sense for an ACMI operator.

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Re: HiFly A380 Operations Thread - 2020

Sun Jan 05, 2020 12:56 pm

A388 wrote:
EIBPI wrote:
with the promised single customer to operate the aircraft for the entire 2019 summer season never actually materialising.


I never heard HiFly would operate their A380 for a single customer. That also doesn't make sense for an ACMI operator.

A388


Well, that’s what the CEO said:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/martinrive ... bfb3656d24

—“Now it’s done, and the aircraft is contracted for the summer period to fly intensively, and then until the end [of the year] it’s available for ad hoc charters and ad hoc ACMI (Aircraft, Crew, Maintenance and Insurance) contracts.

“It’s one customer for the whole summer.”—

Also reported in the aviation media.
 
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Re: HiFly A380 Operations Thread - 2020

Sun Jan 05, 2020 1:24 pm

A388 wrote:
EIBPI wrote:
with the promised single customer to operate the aircraft for the entire 2019 summer season never actually materialising.


I never heard HiFly would operate their A380 for a single customer. That also doesn't make sense for an ACMI operator.

A388

ACMIs, including HiFly, frequently operate for a single customer for long stretches of time. They are, for example, operating A330neos for Air Senegal, and use to operate Arik Air’s A345s. It is steady income and preferable to random one off charters.
 
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Re: HiFly A380 Operations Thread - 2020

Mon Jan 06, 2020 8:39 pm

9H-MIP will fly to Jeddah for the Spanish supercup with Atletico de Madrid onboard.
 
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Re: HiFly A380 Operations Thread - 2020

Mon Jan 06, 2020 10:05 pm

For those who are interested to go on the hunt, it should leave tomorrow (Tuesday) in the early afternoon and provisional planning indicates an arrival back in Madrid on Friday. This could change depending on Atletico's progress in the tournament of course.
 
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Re: HiFly A380 Operations Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 09, 2020 9:56 pm

Atletico Madrid has rather surprisingly won against Barcelona, so quite possibly, the HiFly A380 will stay in Jeddah for a few more days. The final takes place on Sunday.
 
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Re: HiFly A380 Operations Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 09, 2020 10:11 pm

tapairbus370 wrote:
9H-MIP will fly to Jeddah for the Spanish supercup with Atletico de Madrid onboard.

Why is the Spanish supercup held in Jeddah? To make some airlines happy?
 
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Re: HiFly A380 Operations Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 09, 2020 10:36 pm

mxaxai wrote:
tapairbus370 wrote:
9H-MIP will fly to Jeddah for the Spanish supercup with Atletico de Madrid onboard.

Why is the Spanish supercup held in Jeddah? To make some airlines happy?

The short and simple answer is: money
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Re: HiFly A380 Operations Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 09, 2020 11:23 pm

mxaxai wrote:
tapairbus370 wrote:
9H-MIP will fly to Jeddah for the Spanish supercup with Atletico de Madrid onboard.

Why is the Spanish supercup held in Jeddah? To make some airlines happy?

The same reason there was a big boxing match held there at the end of last year, the same reason there’s a new ‘International horse racing festival’ there, as the previous post said, MONEY!
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Re: HiFly A380 Operations Thread - 2020

Fri Jan 10, 2020 12:58 am

Anything the Italians can do, the Spanish can do it too. The Italian Supercoppa has also been held in Saudi Arabia this season. 9H-BIG was in action as well there ...
 
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Re: HiFly A380 Operations Thread - 2020

Fri Jan 10, 2020 1:32 pm

Joelatbsl wrote:
Anything the Italians can do, the Spanish can do it too. The Italian Supercoppa has also been held in Saudi Arabia this season. 9H-BIG was in action as well there ...


The simple answer is money but there is more to it. They didn't just wake up this year and decided to start organizing these soccer/football games.The Saudis are behind the "blockade" on Qatar. Qatar is organizing the next WC and the Saudis want to steal some of that thunder. They also want to project to the world a more favorable image than that of Qatar. Don't be shocked to see an FA Cup final in Saudi Arabia within the next 2 years, maybe even in 2022.

In regards to 9H-MIP and it's poor utilization, there's an interesting statement in this article:
https://simpleflying.com/hi-fly-gets-30 ... every-day/
 
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Re: HiFly A380 Operations Thread - 2020

Fri Jan 10, 2020 2:50 pm

airbazar wrote:

In regards to 9H-MIP and it's poor utilization, there's an interesting statement in this article:
https://simpleflying.com/hi-fly-gets-30 ... every-day/

Eh it is putting a positive (and unverifiable) spin on things. Actual useable demand is still low. They may be getting 30 requests a day (which is over 10,000 a year) but the plane’s utilization and the fact that HiFly still has not gotten a 2nd one despite talking about it for years, even before delivery of the first, shows that 99% of the requests are just noise. Noise is useless. Demand is not outstripping supply as simple flying writes. If that was the case HiFly would be talking about how they have to turn away so many clients due to aircraft availability. I can request cars from Ferrari but that doesn’t mean my request is actual example of demand.
 
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Re: HiFly A380 Operations Thread - 2020

Fri Jan 10, 2020 4:45 pm

airbazar wrote:
Joelatbsl wrote:
Anything the Italians can do, the Spanish can do it too. The Italian Supercoppa has also been held in Saudi Arabia this season. 9H-BIG was in action as well there ...


The simple answer is money but there is more to it. They didn't just wake up this year and decided to start organizing these soccer/football games.The Saudis are behind the "blockade" on Qatar. Qatar is organizing the next WC and the Saudis want to steal some of that thunder. They also want to project to the world a more favorable image than that of Qatar. Don't be shocked to see an FA Cup final in Saudi Arabia within the next 2 years, maybe even in 2022.

In regards to 9H-MIP and it's poor utilization, there's an interesting statement in this article:
https://simpleflying.com/hi-fly-gets-30 ... every-day/


The teams did not want to go there, the television stations did not want to buy the rights. But at least the Saudis would tend to think it was a success. In the end it is just one massive publicity and logistics stunt ...
 
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Re: HiFly A380 Operations Thread - 2020

Fri Jan 10, 2020 4:57 pm

Polot wrote:
Eh it is putting a positive (and unverifiable) spin on things. Actual useable demand is still low. They may be getting 30 requests a day (which is over 10,000 a year) but the plane’s utilization and the fact that HiFly still has not gotten a 2nd one despite talking about it for years, even before delivery of the first, shows that 99% of the requests are just noise. Noise is useless. Demand is not outstripping supply as simple flying writes. If that was the case HiFly would be talking about how they have to turn away so many clients due to aircraft availability. I can request cars from Ferrari but that doesn’t mean my request is actual example of demand.

HiFly turns downs most of these requests for the A380 and end up sending a smaller aircraft instead because of inadequate airport infrastructure (that's in the article I am sure you read). What you did hit on the nail is that it is indeed unverifiable.

HiFly has operated flights where passengers and catering were loaded from the lower deck only, so "inadequate" must refer to the width of taxiways and/or runways.

What the article did not have is a claim that demand is such that a second aircraft is needed. We probably won't see it again for a while.

I find it interesting that apparently would-be customers come in the door asking for the A380, and sign a contract for a smaller aircraft. Maybe the A380 has found its new future as a marketing tool?
(yes, that was sarcasm)
 
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Re: HiFly A380 Operations Thread - 2020

Sat Jan 11, 2020 2:53 pm

blueflyer wrote:
I find it interesting that apparently would-be customers come in the door asking for the A380, and sign a contract for a smaller aircraft. Maybe the A380 has found its new future as a marketing tool?
(yes, that was sarcasm)


We've seen HiFly's A380 operated for DY instead of their 787's. So it does happen. The size of the aircraft they are replacing doesn't seem to be much of a factor. So we know airlines will opt for the A380 when feasible.
I have a sneaking suspicion that TAP was one of the customers interested but the LIS airport authority denied their request to operate the A380 (they also denied EK's request). I suspect that the A380 was purchased with that in mind. Soon after the A380 arrived the airport operator announced a major expansion of the airport which will include the ability to operate the A380 in 2021. We'll see what happens then.
In a single runway airport that is pretty much out of slots, there are at least 2-3 routes where TAP can operate an A380 seasonally. I'm thinking about GRU to start and maybe GIG and JFK.
 
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Re: HiFly A380 Operations Thread - 2020

Sat Jan 11, 2020 4:35 pm

Apart from the very interesting discussion about this unique aircraft and its market, the schedule for its next flight is out now. It will leave Jeddah over night to arrive in Madrid on Monday morning after the Supercopa final:

https://championsleaguecharters.blogspo ... -2020.html
 
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Re: HiFly A380 Operations Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 29, 2020 8:05 pm

The word around the block is that 9H-MIP should fly from Beja to Paris CDG tomorrow, STA at CDG is 13.00h local time.
 
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Re: HiFly A380 Operations Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 29, 2020 10:29 pm

Joelatbsl wrote:
The word around the block is that 9H-MIP should fly from Beja to Paris CDG tomorrow, STA at CDG is 13.00h local time.


And then Paris -Wuhan , to start the repatriation flights I believe.
 
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Re: HiFly A380 Operations Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 30, 2020 12:30 pm

That's the plan. Off to Asia tomorrow in the early morning as HFM421 from CDG to WUH via Hanoi.
 
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Re: HiFly A380 Operations Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 30, 2020 2:12 pm

Joelatbsl wrote:
That's the plan. Off to Asia tomorrow in the early morning as HFM421 from CDG to WUH via Hanoi.

Why via Hanoi, if I may ask?
 
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Re: HiFly A380 Operations Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 30, 2020 3:27 pm

airbazar wrote:
I have a sneaking suspicion that TAP was one of the customers interested but the LIS airport authority denied their request to operate the A380 (they also denied EK's request). I suspect that the A380 was purchased with that in mind. Soon after the A380 arrived the airport operator announced a major expansion of the airport which will include the ability to operate the A380 in 2021. We'll see what happens then.
In a single runway airport that is pretty much out of slots, there are at least 2-3 routes where TAP can operate an A380 seasonally. I'm thinking about GRU to start and maybe GIG and JFK.


There were rumors that TAP approached them to use the A380 in the LIS-GRU route, but with the metal in TAP's colors, which was denied by HiFly. But again, it was just a rumor, I cannot validate it.

Nevertheless, I have to disagree with you. I think that the A380 is an inadequate machine for TAP. Flying twice in A330neo is more efficient and more profitable that flying once in the A380. Remember, TAP is still not making a profit, therefore hiring a very expensive and inefficient plane just to make a statement sounds like an unnecessary cost...
 
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Re: HiFly A380 Operations Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 30, 2020 6:13 pm

dfpinto wrote:
airbazar wrote:
I have a sneaking suspicion that TAP was one of the customers interested but the LIS airport authority denied their request to operate the A380 (they also denied EK's request). I suspect that the A380 was purchased with that in mind. Soon after the A380 arrived the airport operator announced a major expansion of the airport which will include the ability to operate the A380 in 2021. We'll see what happens then.
In a single runway airport that is pretty much out of slots, there are at least 2-3 routes where TAP can operate an A380 seasonally. I'm thinking about GRU to start and maybe GIG and JFK.


There were rumors that TAP approached them to use the A380 in the LIS-GRU route, but with the metal in TAP's colors, which was denied by HiFly. But again, it was just a rumor, I cannot validate it.

Nevertheless, I have to disagree with you. I think that the A380 is an inadequate machine for TAP. Flying twice in A330neo is more efficient and more profitable that flying once in the A380. Remember, TAP is still not making a profit, therefore hiring a very expensive and inefficient plane just to make a statement sounds like an unnecessary cost...


In a route like LIS-GRU they wouldn't replace 2 daily with a single A380. They would simply replace one of the A339's with the A380 in high season. 2x daily frequency is important.
 
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Re: HiFly A380 Operations Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 30, 2020 11:28 pm

N14AZ wrote:
Joelatbsl wrote:
That's the plan. Off to Asia tomorrow in the early morning as HFM421 from CDG to WUH via Hanoi.

Why via Hanoi, if I may ask?
Think it cannot fly straight in to WUH and need to stop in Hanoi for some preparation of the crew. Today there is a wamos B744 doing the same and then it should fly out the UK citizens.
 
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Re: HiFly A380 Operations Thread - 2020

Fri Jan 31, 2020 7:41 am

So sad that the whale will arrive HAN at midnight and there’s no chance for spotters to catch it :(
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Re: HiFly A380 Operations Thread - 2020

Fri Jan 31, 2020 7:58 am

I was surprised to see her parked at CDG near terminal 1 yesterday evening. Beautiful bird. Next to a French military (non-passenger) plane which was odd....
 
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Re: HiFly A380 Operations Thread - 2020

Fri Jan 31, 2020 8:07 am

jsfr wrote:
I was surprised to see her parked at CDG near terminal 1 yesterday evening. Beautiful bird. Next to a French military (non-passenger) plane which was odd....


It is soon to fly to Wuhan to bring back French and European citizens. Believe from what the media said it will return to Istres.
 
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Re: HiFly A380 Operations Thread - 2020

Fri Jan 31, 2020 8:52 am

N14AZ wrote:
Joelatbsl wrote:
That's the plan. Off to Asia tomorrow in the early morning as HFM421 from CDG to WUH via Hanoi.

Why via Hanoi, if I may ask?


Must be a crew change at Hanoi as no chance doing it in Wuhan. The relief crew should operate the Hanoi - Wuhan - Paris sector with a short break in Wuhan only
 
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Re: HiFly A380 Operations Thread - 2020

Fri Jan 31, 2020 9:06 am

Same as the QF 744 for Australia.
Operating to HKG revenue, then switch crew for HKG-WUH-DRW.
Then transferred via smaller aircraft to XCH to become 14-day guests at a former refugee centre.

Need the out of WUH transfer as you can't pax crew into WUH and leave them for 24hrs or so.
 
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Re: HiFly A380 Operations Thread - 2020

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Hifly A380 arriving in Hanoi on the way to WUH

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Re: HiFly A380 Operations Thread - 2020

Wed Feb 19, 2020 8:35 pm

9H-MIP positioned to CDG yesterday, anyone know what she's up to next?
 
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Re: HiFly A380 Operations Thread - 2020

Wed Feb 19, 2020 9:00 pm

ShamrockBoi330 wrote:
9H-MIP positioned to CDG yesterday, anyone know what she's up to next?

At a guess, taking rugby fans to Cardiff for this weekend 6 nations match Wales v France.
 
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Re: HiFly A380 Operations Thread - 2020

Thu Feb 20, 2020 9:31 pm

TC957 wrote:
ShamrockBoi330 wrote:
9H-MIP positioned to CDG yesterday, anyone know what she's up to next?

At a guess, taking rugby fans to Cardiff for this weekend 6 nations match Wales v France.


Another evac flight via HAN, currently in Wuhan.
 
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Re: HiFly A380 Operations Thread - 2020

Thu Feb 20, 2020 9:46 pm

ShamrockBoi330 wrote:
TC957 wrote:
ShamrockBoi330 wrote:
9H-MIP positioned to CDG yesterday, anyone know what she's up to next?

At a guess, taking rugby fans to Cardiff for this weekend 6 nations match Wales v France.


Another evac flight via HAN, currently in Wuhan.

Close ! Perhaps that will be it's next mission after returning from Wuhan back to CDG.
 
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Re: HiFly A380 Operations Thread - 2020

Thu Feb 20, 2020 10:43 pm

TC957 wrote:
ShamrockBoi330 wrote:
TC957 wrote:
At a guess, taking rugby fans to Cardiff for this weekend 6 nations match Wales v France.


Another evac flight via HAN, currently in Wuhan.

Close ! Perhaps that will be it's next mission after returning from Wuhan back to CDG.


On her way home now

https://fr24.com/HFM125/23ee943b
 
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Re: HiFly A380 Operations Thread - 2020

Sat May 16, 2020 12:14 am

and this bad boy is on the way to the caribbean from China, destination, Santo Domingo Dominican Republic
 
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Re: HiFly A380 Operations Thread - 2020

Sat May 16, 2020 12:46 am

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and this bad boy is on the way to the caribbean from China, destination, Santo Domingo Dominican Republic


Fuel stop anywhere?
 
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Re: HiFly A380 Operations Thread - 2020

Sat May 16, 2020 1:56 am

direct flight: TSN-SDQ with 45 Tons of medical cargo

https://es.flightaware.com/live/flight/9HMIP
 
 
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Re: HiFly A380 Operations Thread - 2020

Sat May 16, 2020 3:16 pm

Is this the A380 Lufthanse Technik had in mind when they talked about a temporary conversion to freighter?
 
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Re: HiFly A380 Operations Thread - 2020

Sat May 16, 2020 3:30 pm

Such a beautiful plane!
I haven't been everywhere, but it's on my list!
 
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Re: HiFly A380 Operations Thread - 2020

Sat May 16, 2020 3:34 pm

danipawa wrote:
direct flight: TSN-SDQ with 45 Tons of medical cargo

https://es.flightaware.com/live/flight/9HMIP

7,340 nmi great circle distance. Almost as far as SYD-DFW. Impressive, although obviously with a relatively light load.
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Is this the A380 Lufthanse Technik had in mind when they talked about a temporary conversion to freighter?

I don't think so. 9H-MIP emerged from her B-check on April 30, positioned to Beja, and stayed there until May 14. LH didn't announce the conversion request until May 5, and I don't think Beja has the maintenance facilities for such a conversion. I also think we would've seen a statement from HiFly, if only for PR purposes.
 
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Re: HiFly A380 Operations Thread - 2020

Sun May 17, 2020 2:02 am

I wonder why Punta Caucedo?? they also had an ELAL 787 arrive from Tel Aviv just before the A380 and the week earlier too...
 
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Re: HiFly A380 Operations Thread - 2020

Sun May 17, 2020 3:29 pm

crownvic wrote:
I wonder why Punta Caucedo?? they also had an ELAL 787 arrive from Tel Aviv just before the A380 and the week earlier too...


SDQ Las Americas is the main airport at the Dominican Rep and with Cargo facilities. Punta Cana is the busiest but all leisure.

with the pandemic we got Air Belgium, Etihad (fuel stop to BOG), Rossiya (PUJ regular), El Al, Aeromexico on the B789 (B737 regular), and next week Egypt Air and many more rare sights here.
 
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Re: HiFly A380 Operations Thread - 2020

Wed Jul 08, 2020 3:27 am

Looks like HiFly is now chasing the cargo market

https://simpleflying.com/hi-fly-cargo-airbus-a380/

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