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Re: Frontier Has Cancelled 97 Flights So Far Today??

Sun Jul 05, 2020 7:10 am

FLALEFTY wrote:
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lightsaber wrote:
How us the performance today?

I'm perplexed how any airline today could have insufficient pilots and crew on reserve.


Here's the latest Frontier cancellations:

https://flightaware.com/live/fleet/FFT/cancelled


HOLY CRAP..... That's AMAZINGLY bad planning. :banghead:
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Re: Frontier Has Cancelled 97 Flights So Far Today??

Sun Jul 05, 2020 1:45 pm

lightsaber wrote:
FLALEFTY wrote:
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lightsaber wrote:
How us the performance today?

I'm perplexed how any airline today could have insufficient pilots and crew on reserve.


Here's the latest Frontier cancellations:

https://flightaware.com/live/fleet/FFT/cancelled

Jaw hits floor.

One day of dropped performance is bad.
A second, albeit I count a mere 21 cancelled flights, is just poor management.

So who will be losing their job?

Lightsaber



So how many total this weekend so far? Friday was the highest and I thought yesterday was 60-70 cxld.
 
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Re: Frontier Has Cancelled 97 Flights So Far Today??

Sun Jul 05, 2020 2:34 pm

lightsaber wrote:

So who will be losing their job?

Lightsaber


Demanding someone's head on a pike every time there is an issue is ridiculous. Step one is always to figure out exactly why the problem occurred. I've worked for companies where everyone has followed procedure to a "T" and there have still been significant issues. Those situations required a review and modification of procedures, rather than a sacrificial lamb.
 
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Re: Frontier Has Cancelled 97 Flights So Far Today??

Sun Jul 05, 2020 2:51 pm

silentbob wrote:
lightsaber wrote:

So who will be losing their job?

Lightsaber


Demanding someone's head on a pike every time there is an issue is ridiculous. Step one is always to figure out exactly why the problem occurred. I've worked for companies where everyone has followed procedure to a "T" and there have still been significant issues. Those situations required a review and modification of procedures, rather than a sacrificial lamb.

There should have already been processes in place. There is such a huge surplus of pilots, I cannot come up with a reasonable scenario for this level of fail over a holiday weekend.

Normally, I would agree with you. But with that many surplus pilots?!? There is zero risk of a pilot hitting FAA hour limits right now.

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Re: Frontier Has Cancelled 97 Flights So Far Today??

Sun Jul 05, 2020 2:58 pm

lightsaber wrote:
silentbob wrote:
lightsaber wrote:

So who will be losing their job?

Lightsaber


Demanding someone's head on a pike every time there is an issue is ridiculous. Step one is always to figure out exactly why the problem occurred. I've worked for companies where everyone has followed procedure to a "T" and there have still been significant issues. Those situations required a review and modification of procedures, rather than a sacrificial lamb.

There should have already been processes in place. There is such a huge surplus of pilots, I cannot come up with a reasonable scenario for this level of fail over a holiday weekend.

Normally, I would agree with you. But with that many surplus pilots?!? There is zero risk of a pilot hitting FAA hour limits right now.

Lightsaber


Do you know how many are out on leave? In March/April/May several airlines offered thousands of pilots multi month leaves.

If it’s true that Frontier didn’t offer premium pay then that’s their fault. Premium pay would have gotten the active pilots off the side line.
 
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Re: Frontier Has Cancelled 97 Flights So Far Today??

Sun Jul 05, 2020 3:05 pm

CriticalPoint wrote:
lightsaber wrote:
silentbob wrote:

Demanding someone's head on a pike every time there is an issue is ridiculous. Step one is always to figure out exactly why the problem occurred. I've worked for companies where everyone has followed procedure to a "T" and there have still been significant issues. Those situations required a review and modification of procedures, rather than a sacrificial lamb.

There should have already been processes in place. There is such a huge surplus of pilots, I cannot come up with a reasonable scenario for this level of fail over a holiday weekend.

Normally, I would agree with you. But with that many surplus pilots?!? There is zero risk of a pilot hitting FAA hour limits right now.

Lightsaber


Do you know how many are out on leave? In March/April/May several airlines offered thousands of pilots multi month leaves.

If it’s true that Frontier didn’t offer premium pay then that’s their fault. Premium pay would have gotten the active pilots off the side line.

It’s impossible to believe you would even need to offer premium pay at a time like this. You have more than enough pilots to just schedule to the flights.
 
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Re: Frontier Has Cancelled 97 Flights So Far Today??

Sun Jul 05, 2020 3:05 pm

CriticalPoint wrote:
lightsaber wrote:
silentbob wrote:

Demanding someone's head on a pike every time there is an issue is ridiculous. Step one is always to figure out exactly why the problem occurred. I've worked for companies where everyone has followed procedure to a "T" and there have still been significant issues. Those situations required a review and modification of procedures, rather than a sacrificial lamb.

There should have already been processes in place. There is such a huge surplus of pilots, I cannot come up with a reasonable scenario for this level of fail over a holiday weekend.

Normally, I would agree with you. But with that many surplus pilots?!? There is zero risk of a pilot hitting FAA hour limits right now.

Lightsaber


Do you know how many are out on leave? In March/April/May several airlines offered thousands of pilots multi month leaves.

If it’s true that Frontier didn’t offer premium pay then that’s their fault. Premium pay would have gotten the active pilots off the side line.

I don't know how many are on leave. However, that was a known prior to scheduling the flights. There still should have been enough pilots.

If well managed, no premium required. This is a royal botch.

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Re: Frontier Has Cancelled 97 Flights So Far Today??

Sun Jul 05, 2020 3:26 pm

32andBelow wrote:
CriticalPoint wrote:
lightsaber wrote:
There should have already been processes in place. There is such a huge surplus of pilots, I cannot come up with a reasonable scenario for this level of fail over a holiday weekend.

Normally, I would agree with you. But with that many surplus pilots?!? There is zero risk of a pilot hitting FAA hour limits right now.

Lightsaber


Do you know how many are out on leave? In March/April/May several airlines offered thousands of pilots multi month leaves.

If it’s true that Frontier didn’t offer premium pay then that’s their fault. Premium pay would have gotten the active pilots off the side line.

It’s impossible to believe you would even need to offer premium pay at a time like this. You have more than enough pilots to just schedule to the flights.


Maybe.......do YOU know how many are out on leave? Do you know how many got vacation swaps approved? Do you know how many were allowed to bid unused vacation?

Back in March and April the airlines were scrambling to get people to leave right now. A lot of things you don’t normally see with regards to staffing were offered. Unless you know how many pilots were actually sitting around doing nothing, as you put it, your outrage is rediculous.
 
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Re: Frontier Has Cancelled 97 Flights So Far Today??

Sun Jul 05, 2020 3:27 pm

lightsaber wrote:
CriticalPoint wrote:
lightsaber wrote:
There should have already been processes in place. There is such a huge surplus of pilots, I cannot come up with a reasonable scenario for this level of fail over a holiday weekend.

Normally, I would agree with you. But with that many surplus pilots?!? There is zero risk of a pilot hitting FAA hour limits right now.

Lightsaber


Do you know how many are out on leave? In March/April/May several airlines offered thousands of pilots multi month leaves.

If it’s true that Frontier didn’t offer premium pay then that’s their fault. Premium pay would have gotten the active pilots off the side line.

I don't know how many are on leave. However, that was a known prior to scheduling the flights. There still should have been enough pilots.

If well managed, no premium required. This is a royal botch.

Lightsaber


There is no doubt someone dropped the ball. But when you screw up you pay or you cancel.
 
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Re: Frontier Has Cancelled 97 Flights So Far Today??

Sun Jul 05, 2020 3:42 pm

CriticalPoint wrote:
32andBelow wrote:
CriticalPoint wrote:

Do you know how many are out on leave? In March/April/May several airlines offered thousands of pilots multi month leaves.

If it’s true that Frontier didn’t offer premium pay then that’s their fault. Premium pay would have gotten the active pilots off the side line.

It’s impossible to believe you would even need to offer premium pay at a time like this. You have more than enough pilots to just schedule to the flights.


Maybe.......do YOU know how many are out on leave? Do you know how many got vacation swaps approved? Do you know how many were allowed to bid unused vacation?

Back in March and April the airlines were scrambling to get people to leave right now. A lot of things you don’t normally see with regards to staffing were offered. Unless you know how many pilots were actually sitting around doing nothing, as you put it, your outrage is rediculous.

If they already got rid of too many pilots then they shouldn’t have added so many flights. They should have known they were going to add flights back at some point. Very poor management.
 
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Re: Frontier Has Cancelled 97 Flights So Far Today??

Sun Jul 05, 2020 3:48 pm

Only 31 cancelations (1%) by F9 today, so things seem to be getting back to "normal":

https://flightaware.com/live/fleet/FFT/ ... t;sort=ASC
 
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Re: Frontier Has Cancelled 97 Flights So Far Today??

Sun Jul 05, 2020 3:56 pm

32andBelow wrote:
CriticalPoint wrote:
32andBelow wrote:
It’s impossible to believe you would even need to offer premium pay at a time like this. You have more than enough pilots to just schedule to the flights.


Maybe.......do YOU know how many are out on leave? Do you know how many got vacation swaps approved? Do you know how many were allowed to bid unused vacation?

Back in March and April the airlines were scrambling to get people to leave right now. A lot of things you don’t normally see with regards to staffing were offered. Unless you know how many pilots were actually sitting around doing nothing, as you put it, your outrage is rediculous.

If they already got rid of too many pilots then they shouldn’t have added so many flights. They should have known they were going to add flights back at some point. Very poor management.


You should charge companies for a look into your crystal ball.
 
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Re: Frontier Has Cancelled 97 Flights So Far Today??

Sun Jul 05, 2020 4:00 pm

CriticalPoint wrote:
32andBelow wrote:
CriticalPoint wrote:

Maybe.......do YOU know how many are out on leave? Do you know how many got vacation swaps approved? Do you know how many were allowed to bid unused vacation?

Back in March and April the airlines were scrambling to get people to leave right now. A lot of things you don’t normally see with regards to staffing were offered. Unless you know how many pilots were actually sitting around doing nothing, as you put it, your outrage is rediculous.

If they already got rid of too many pilots then they shouldn’t have added so many flights. They should have known they were going to add flights back at some point. Very poor management.


You should charge companies for a look into your crystal ball.
they make the schedule! It’s not like they get a surprise line up from a supreme being.
 
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Re: Frontier Has Cancelled 97 Flights So Far Today??

Sun Jul 05, 2020 4:14 pm

32andBelow wrote:
CriticalPoint wrote:
32andBelow wrote:
If they already got rid of too many pilots then they shouldn’t have added so many flights. They should have known they were going to add flights back at some point. Very poor management.


You should charge companies for a look into your crystal ball.
they make the schedule! It’s not like they get a surprise line up from a supreme being.


There’s no don’t someone dropped the ball. They scheduled motley flights than crews. However you seem to think that there are pilots just sitting around. That may or may not be the case and unless you know you anger should be directed elsewhere.
 
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Re: Frontier Has Cancelled 97 Flights So Far Today??

Sun Jul 05, 2020 4:23 pm

FLALEFTY wrote:
Only 31 cancelations (1%) by F9 today, so things seem to be getting back to "normal":

https://flightaware.com/live/fleet/FFT/ ... t;sort=ASC


They normally have 3100 daily flights? That sounds like completely untrue.
 
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Thu Oct 08, 2020 3:21 am

How is F9 doing at EWR? Are they doing well with routes like EWR-LAS?

Curious how they are establishing their footprint there and the revenue.
 
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Mon Nov 16, 2020 7:50 pm

F9 I'd guess they are doing well. Winter, they really shrink in EWR so we'd have to see what happens in the spring.
 
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Tue Nov 17, 2020 2:41 pm

Frontier announces 19 new routes and 3 new destinations: https://news.flyfrontier.com/frontier-a ... tinations/

New destinations: Cozumel, Oakland, St. Thomas

Routes:

- DEN-CZM/OAK/PVR
- OAK-LAS/PHX
- ONT-ORD/LAS/MIA/PHX/SMF/SFO
- MCO-CUN/STT/MIA/ILG/ONT/PUJ/SDQ
- SMF-PHX
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Tue Nov 17, 2020 4:28 pm

Ridiculous....this sounds like a quick way to bankruptcy.
 
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Tue Nov 17, 2020 4:32 pm

Weird no EWR/PHL/TTN
 
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Tue Nov 17, 2020 4:58 pm

Ishrion wrote:
Frontier announces 19 new routes and 3 new destinations: https://news.flyfrontier.com/frontier-a ... tinations/

New destinations: Cozumel, Oakland, St. Thomas

Routes:

- DEN-CZM/OAK/PVR
- OAK-LAS/PHX
- ONT-ORD/LAS/MIA/PHX/SMF/SFO
- MCO-CUN/STT/MIA/ILG/ONT/PUJ/SDQ
- SMF-PHX



I wonder if GUA and SAL will ever launch
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Tue Nov 17, 2020 4:59 pm

hiflyeras wrote:
Ridiculous....this sounds like a quick way to bankruptcy.

What exactly is so ridiculous? These seem like smart, logical additions that complement their existing network.
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:16 pm

hiflyeras wrote:
Ridiculous....this sounds like a quick way to bankruptcy.


Very few of these newly announced routes are daily and many are just 2XWEEK. If they do not perform to F9's par there will not be a huge impact financially. I expect we will see more announcements in the not to far future.

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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:24 pm

Didn't they try ILG-MCO before? Or did that never get off the round?
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:26 pm

I’ve heard from insiders at F9 that things are going relatively well - given the circumstances, of course.

Congrats on these new adds! Short hops, cross country and international adds! Nice mix.
 
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:29 pm

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Didn't they try ILG-MCO before? Or did that never get off the round?


Yea they tried it before but they ended service around June 2015. They planned to start this route again early this year but due to the pandemic and a few push backs they are now aiming for next year to come back
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Tue Nov 17, 2020 7:59 pm

Ishrion wrote:
Frontier announces 19 new routes and 3 new destinations: https://news.flyfrontier.com/frontier-a ... tinations/

New destinations: Cozumel, Oakland, St. Thomas

Routes:

- DEN-CZM/OAK/PVR
- OAK-LAS/PHX
- ONT-ORD/LAS/MIA/PHX/SMF/SFO
- MCO-CUN/STT/MIA/ILG/ONT/PUJ/SDQ
- SMF-PHX


Wow! Lots of expansion in California. I guess things must be going quite well for F9 at ONT, and surely this is a very welcome boost for OAK (which recently lost all AA and B6 services). I would tend to think scarce gate space may now be available at LAX and SFO, but perhaps F9 sees greater opportunity at secondary airports in each metropolitan area.
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:06 pm

Wonder if we will ever see F9 resume service to the cities they suspend due to Covid such as GSP...my guess is no. I noticed GSP has actually removed F9 from airport signage.
 
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:31 pm

randyh3253 wrote:
Wonder if we will ever see F9 resume service to the cities they suspend due to Covid such as GSP...my guess is no. I noticed GSP has actually removed F9 from airport signage.


Such a shame, I used them a few times.
 
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Tue Nov 17, 2020 10:56 pm

SurfandSnow wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
Frontier announces 19 new routes and 3 new destinations: https://news.flyfrontier.com/frontier-a ... tinations/

New destinations: Cozumel, Oakland, St. Thomas

Routes:

- DEN-CZM/OAK/PVR
- OAK-LAS/PHX
- ONT-ORD/LAS/MIA/PHX/SMF/SFO
- MCO-CUN/STT/MIA/ILG/ONT/PUJ/SDQ
- SMF-PHX


Wow! Lots of expansion in California. I guess things must be going quite well for F9 at ONT, and surely this is a very welcome boost for OAK (which recently lost all AA and B6 services). I would tend to think scarce gate space may now be available at LAX and SFO, but perhaps F9 sees greater opportunity at secondary airports in each metropolitan area.


F9 finally adding OAK is great. Gives folks another choice when flying in/out of the Bay Area on Frontier. PHX was a smart call especially since AA pulled out leaving only Southwest. And they will give WN some competition to DEN as well, another monopoly route. LAS will almost always work on those heavy inbound & outbound days. The ONT growth is very interesting, specifically the transcon routes. One to watch, perhaps, to see if it all sticks. And more to SMF, too. Seems things are going relatively well there under the circumstances. Good news all around for F9 in CA.

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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Tue Nov 17, 2020 11:09 pm

Ishrion wrote:
Frontier announces 19 new routes and 3 new destinations: https://news.flyfrontier.com/frontier-a ... tinations/

New destinations: Cozumel, Oakland, St. Thomas

Routes:

- DEN-CZM/OAK/PVR
- OAK-LAS/PHX
- ONT-ORD/LAS/MIA/PHX/SMF/SFO
- MCO-CUN/STT/MIA/ILG/ONT/PUJ/SDQ
- SMF-PHX

Surprised that ONT-SEA isn't on that list given that they announced this route shortly before the pandemic, and canceled the route before it even started. The ONT additions seem pretty ambitious, ad SMF-PHX is also an interesting one as well.

I'm also surprised that its taken them this long to start OAK.
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Wed Nov 18, 2020 3:07 am

Congrats to F9 and ONT. Before the pandemic, ONT was on F9's radar with anticipated new routes of MIA, GUA, SAL, EWR, LAS, and SEA. I had thought that they were going to turn ONT into their primary SoCal operation since NK was starting to set up shop in BUR and G4 was already in LAX, and F9 hadn't had a key operation in SoCal at all. When F9 was responding to the pandemic and rethought the network to focus mainly on DEN, Florida, and LAS, I thought ONT's future as a key in F9's network was done at least short term.

It would appear though that F9 sees something they like in ONT and is ready to continue their experiment there, but changed to better meet the needs of a changed industry. GUA, and SAL were long shots but seemed to have the Latino traffic so not surprised to see them not back. F9s strategy in EWR seems to have changed, and SEA seems to have been curtailed by DL's recent addition of 2x E7Ws and then AS responding quickly to DL by adding a 4th mainline flight, and then skipping the planned down gauge to 2 QX E75s during the winter. Continuing LAS and adding PHX, SMF, and SFO show that they're focusing seriously on the ONT market specifically, being some of the biggest markets out of there. They aren't afraid to go head to head with WN. ORD has shown potential since AA did it seasonal recently, and MIA was going to be part of the bridge with SAL and GUA flights, so glad to see MIA at least stay.
 
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Wed Nov 18, 2020 3:53 am

Congrats to ILG on getting air service back...for now.
 
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Wed Nov 18, 2020 4:01 am

Anyone know why F9 can’t make EWR-ATL/RSW/TPA/PBI work?
 
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Wed Nov 18, 2020 4:58 am

Nicknuzzii wrote:
Anyone know why F9 can’t make EWR-ATL/RSW/TPA/PBI work?


Cause they won’t stay on a route long enough for people to even know it started before they axe it.
 
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Thu Nov 19, 2020 11:56 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:
Anyone know why F9 can’t make EWR-ATL/RSW/TPA/PBI work?


Cause they won’t stay on a route long enough for people to even know it started before they axe it.


Another issue was that F9 was facing nonstop competition from both UA and NK on the EWR-ATL/RSW/TPA/PBI routes, and both UA and NK still serve ATL, RSW, TPA, and PBI nonstop from EWR.

In addition to UA and NK serving ATL nonstop from EWR, DL also still has a significant amount of nonstop service to ATL from EWR.

I can understand F9 dropping EWR-ATL nonstop service with the significant amount of competition that is there on the EWR-ATL route.
 
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F9 (Frontier) adding LAS-ICT/OKC/ELP/LIT/SJD/PVR

Tue Dec 15, 2020 8:44 pm

https://news.flyfrontier.com/frontier-a ... op-routes/

Looks like 2x weekly service to all 6 markets.
 
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Re: F9 (Frontier) adding LAS-ICT/OKC/ELP/LIT/SJD/PVR

Tue Dec 15, 2020 8:59 pm

Frontier's expansion in LAS has been interesting to watch play out overtime. I'm surprised that they are able to keep up with so much ULCC competition, especially when travel demand is so low at the moment.
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Re: F9 (Frontier) adding LAS-ICT/OKC/ELP/LIT/SJD/PVR

Tue Dec 15, 2020 9:30 pm

F9 has also announced;
MIA-MCO/ONT/GUA/SAL/SDQ/CUN
ORD-CZM
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Re: F9 (Frontier) adding LAS-ICT/OKC/ELP/LIT/SJD/PVR

Tue Dec 15, 2020 9:33 pm

jetmatt777 wrote:
https://news.flyfrontier.com/frontier-airlines-announces-expanded-las-vegas-service-with-6-new-nonstop-routes/

Looks like 2x weekly service to all 6 markets.


ICT-LAS is odd, given presence of G4 and WN.
 
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Re: F9 (Frontier) adding LAS-ICT/OKC/ELP/LIT/SJD/PVR

Tue Dec 15, 2020 9:33 pm

jetmatt777 wrote:
https://news.flyfrontier.com/frontier-airlines-announces-expanded-las-vegas-service-with-6-new-nonstop-routes/

Looks like 2x weekly service to all 6 markets.


Duplicate, sorry.
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Re: F9 (Frontier) adding LAS-ICT/OKC/ELP/LIT/SJD/PVR

Tue Dec 15, 2020 9:33 pm

jetmatt777 wrote:
https://news.flyfrontier.com/frontier-airlines-announces-expanded-las-vegas-service-with-6-new-nonstop-routes/

Looks like 2x weekly service to all 6 markets.


Duplicate, sorry.
 
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Re: F9 (Frontier) adding LAS-ICT/OKC/ELP/LIT/SJD/PVR

Tue Dec 15, 2020 9:40 pm

enplaned wrote:
ICT-LAS is odd, given presence of G4 and WN.


WN has already reduced ICT-LAS nonstop service to Saturday-only (and a few other dates around the holidays) through the end of its current schedule on 8/16/2021.
 
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Re: F9 (Frontier) adding LAS-ICT/OKC/ELP/LIT/SJD/PVR

Tue Dec 15, 2020 9:49 pm

enplaned wrote:
jetmatt777 wrote:
https://news.flyfrontier.com/frontier-airlines-announces-expanded-las-vegas-service-with-6-new-nonstop-routes/

Looks like 2x weekly service to all 6 markets.


ICT-LAS is odd, given presence of G4 and WN.


I believe both G4 and WN are also operating OKC and ELP to Las Vegas.
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Re: F9 (Frontier) adding LAS-ICT/OKC/ELP/LIT/SJD/PVR

Tue Dec 15, 2020 9:53 pm

timberwolf24 wrote:
F9 has also announced;
MIA-MCO/ONT/GUA/SAL/SDQ/CUN
ORD-CZM


MIA-ONT? ONT hasn't seen much East Coast love. Good luck.
 
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Re: F9 (Frontier) adding LAS-ICT/OKC/ELP/LIT/SJD/PVR

Tue Dec 15, 2020 10:02 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
timberwolf24 wrote:
F9 has also announced;
MIA-MCO/ONT/GUA/SAL/SDQ/CUN
ORD-CZM


MIA-ONT? ONT hasn't seen much East Coast love. Good luck.


MIA and ONT must be working decently for them... they’re growing rapidly at both. I’m guessing this is more of a way to move frames thru the system than anything
 
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