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Greensboro (GSO) Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Dec 31, 2019 6:20 pm

Welcome to the Greensboro (GSO) Aviation Thread 2020. Please continue your discussion and to post your updates here.

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Re: Greensboro (GSO) Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Jan 14, 2020 2:53 pm

Allegiant announces nonstop GSO-BNA beginning June 2020. Welcome news!

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/allegiant-announces-largest-expansion-company-110000158.html
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Re: Greensboro (GSO) Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Jan 14, 2020 3:13 pm

Has WN served GSO? I assume after the merger and surprised they couldn't make it work if so.
 
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Re: Greensboro (GSO) Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Jan 14, 2020 3:26 pm

TWFlyGuy wrote:
Has WN served GSO? I assume after the merger and surprised they couldn't make it work if so.

No, AirTran did a long time ago but canceled way before the acquisition.
 
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Re: Greensboro (GSO) Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Jan 14, 2020 4:27 pm

Janj wrote:
TWFlyGuy wrote:
Has WN served GSO? I assume after the merger and surprised they couldn't make it work if so.

No, AirTran did a long time ago but canceled way before the acquisition.


Interesting...thanks!
 
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Re: Greensboro (GSO) Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Jan 17, 2020 10:44 pm

GSO Total passenger boardings were up 12.51% to 91,635 in December vs same month last year.

AA carried 35,713 - up 16.85%
DL carried 35,661 - up 11.90%
UA carried 13,159 - up 8.82%
NK carried 3,867 - down 10.86%
G4 carried 2,924 - up 18.57%

YTD 2019 was 1,078,247 vs 939,416 in 2018 ... up 14.78%

https://flyfrompti.com/download/passeng ... 1579210852

Cargo was also up 19.73% in December and up 34.63% for the year 2019
A319 A320 A321 A333 AT76 B712 B721 B722 B732 B733 B734 B735 B737 B738 B752 B753 B764 B772 CNA CRJ1 CRJ2 CRJ7 CRJ9 DC87 DC91 DC93 DC95 DH8A DH8B DH8C E145 E170 E175 E190 F27 F100 JS31 JS32 L101 MD82 MD83 MD88 MD90 SF34 SWM
 
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Re: Greensboro (GSO) Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Jan 17, 2020 11:13 pm

Amazing how Delta has grown in GSO.
30 years ago I was there when they were just getting ready to open their second jetway because they were starting CVG service. Piedmont ruled GSO back then.
 
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Re: Greensboro (GSO) Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 22, 2020 8:48 pm

cokepopper wrote:
Amazing how Delta has grown in GSO.
30 years ago I was there when they were just getting ready to open their second jetway because they were starting CVG service. Piedmont ruled GSO back then.


Though still quite strong, it looks like DL has lost some ground to AA over the past year. I see that AA has upguaged several flights to A319s mainline (DFW and CLT). Is Delta showing Greensboro enough love?
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Re: Greensboro (GSO) Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 22, 2020 9:08 pm

Any chance WN comes to GSO once they figure out their MAX and other fleet issues? They’ll be looking at domestic expansion sooner than later.
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Re: Greensboro (GSO) Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 23, 2020 12:06 am

I doubt it. WN has a significant presence in Raleigh that draws from the GSO area. I don't believe there are enough passengers at GSO to justify a separate station.
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Re: Greensboro (GSO) Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 23, 2020 2:59 am

southwest1675 wrote:
Any chance WN comes to GSO once they figure out their MAX and other fleet issues? They’ll be looking at domestic expansion sooner than later.


What was the last domestic non-Hawaiian station added by WN? And when? CVG?
 
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Re: Greensboro (GSO) Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 23, 2020 9:26 pm

AVLAirlineFreq wrote:
southwest1675 wrote:
Any chance WN comes to GSO once they figure out their MAX and other fleet issues? They’ll be looking at domestic expansion sooner than later.


What was the last domestic non-Hawaiian station added by WN? And when? CVG?


CVG Summer 2017.
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Re: Greensboro (GSO) Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 23, 2020 9:58 pm

It seems like United Express would fly to DEN. Does Delta Connection have a jet that can fly to SLC?
 
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Re: Greensboro (GSO) Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Jan 24, 2020 7:06 pm

I'm actually surprised that Southwest doesn't set up GSO like GSP. Put in Atlanta (maybe 1x or 2x) and BWI (1x). RDU is always going to have the most pull from GSO.

I think the next move will be United to IAH or Delta to BOS (both being a return of previous market).

I've heard where Allegiant may be looking at some new things too.
 
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Re: Greensboro (GSO) Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Jan 25, 2020 1:14 am

gsoflyer wrote:
I'm actually surprised that Southwest doesn't set up GSO like GSP. Put in Atlanta (maybe 1x or 2x) and BWI (1x). RDU is always going to have the most pull from GSO.


There are only 3 WN stations in the contiguous U.S. with daily nonstop service to only 1 station on WN (CRP, PWM, RIC), but WN has weekend-only nonstop service to MCO and TPA from RIC and summer seasonal Saturday-only nonstop service to MDW and BNA from PWM.

WN has moved away from serving stations in the contiguous U.S. that cannot support daily nonstop service to at least 2 destinations on WN.

WN adding GSO-MDW nonstop service is also a possibility if WN adds service to GSO since
(a) Chicago is one of the top destinations traveled to out of GSO,
(b) MDW is one of the largest WN focus cities, and
(c) there are a few destinations that WN serves nonstop from MDW but not from ATL or BWI.
 
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Re: Greensboro (GSO) Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Jan 26, 2020 2:57 pm

jplatts wrote:
gsoflyer wrote:
I'm actually surprised that Southwest doesn't set up GSO like GSP. Put in Atlanta (maybe 1x or 2x) and BWI (1x). RDU is always going to have the most pull from GSO.


There are only 3 WN stations in the contiguous U.S. with daily nonstop service to only 1 station on WN (CRP, PWM, RIC), but WN has weekend-only nonstop service to MCO and TPA from RIC and summer seasonal Saturday-only nonstop service to MDW and BNA from PWM.

WN has moved away from serving stations in the contiguous U.S. that cannot support daily nonstop service to at least 2 destinations on WN.

WN adding GSO-MDW nonstop service is also a possibility if WN adds service to GSO since
(a) Chicago is one of the top destinations traveled to out of GSO,
(b) MDW is one of the largest WN focus cities, and
(c) there are a few destinations that WN serves nonstop from MDW but not from ATL or BWI.


The problem with WN in GSO has never been population base, it has always been incentives from Raleigh not to do it an what it would do to RDU's service. A significant portion of GSO's business traffic and much of the leisure traffic goes to RDU for WN in particular. I could easily see GSO supporting at least a 1x to HOU, 1x to MDW, 1x ATL, 1x BWI if they really want to do it. Plus it would pull more down from Roanoke, schools with fliers like App, Wake, Elon, HPU, Guilford with wealthier flying students. There's definite benefits to it in GSO, but it would hurt RDU without a doubt. Right now, RDU enjoys pulling for this 1.6 population metro for service that has no competition here.

It's the same thing with Jetblue. Why come to GSO, people are going from here to RDU to use them
 
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Re: Greensboro (GSO) Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Jan 26, 2020 3:32 pm

afcjets wrote:
It seems like United Express would fly to DEN. Does Delta Connection have a jet that can fly to SLC?


It might be on the fringe of an upgraded E-175, but either way it's not going to happen.

With 8-10 daily mainline flights down to ATL (only about a 45 minute flight away) and three large RJs up to DTW, it covers a lot of the west flow. If there was enough demand for some of those remote west cities, it would be via a flight to MSP (which was a flight until the early 2010s...it was a painful 1000 mile CRJ-200 ride).
 
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Re: Greensboro (GSO) Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Jan 28, 2020 9:34 pm

gsoflyer wrote:

It's the same thing with Jetblue. Why come to GSO, people are going from here to RDU to use them


While I agree that RDU sucks the life out of this airport, I don't quite understand how AA, DL, UA, G4, NK, and until recently F9, can all find a way to serve GSO, RDU, and CLT (JQF)... and B6 and WN cannot.
I think WN could easily fill planes from GSO to ATL, BWI, MDW, and HOU without hurting their operation in Raleigh and B6 to JFK and/or FLL.

In other news, GSO recorded over 1 million enplanements for the year 2019; the first time since 2008.
https://flyfrompti.com/airport-boards-1 ... s-in-2019/

Hopefully this year will be even better! My wish list is (in no particular order)...
AA: even more mainline to CLT and DFW.
DL: BOS, MSP, and JFK as well as hopefully not downgauging to ATL with retirement of MD-88s
UA: IAH, DEN
G4: LAS
NK: LAS, BWI, ORD, BOS
F9: a return to DEN
WN: MDW, BWI, ATL, HOU
B6: JFK, FLL
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Re: Greensboro (GSO) Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Jan 28, 2020 9:50 pm

jplatts wrote:
gsoflyer wrote:
I'm actually surprised that Southwest doesn't set up GSO like GSP. Put in Atlanta (maybe 1x or 2x) and BWI (1x). RDU is always going to have the most pull from GSO.


There are only 3 WN stations in the contiguous U.S. with daily nonstop service to only 1 station on WN (CRP, PWM, RIC), but WN has weekend-only nonstop service to MCO and TPA from RIC and summer seasonal Saturday-only nonstop service to MDW and BNA from PWM.

WN has moved away from serving stations in the contiguous U.S. that cannot support daily nonstop service to at least 2 destinations on WN.

WN adding GSO-MDW nonstop service is also a possibility if WN adds service to GSO since
(a) Chicago is one of the top destinations traveled to out of GSO,
(b) MDW is one of the largest WN focus cities, and
(c) there are a few destinations that WN serves nonstop from MDW but not from ATL or BWI.


Doesn’t CRP also now have DAL on Sundays?
 
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Re: Greensboro (GSO) Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Jan 28, 2020 9:54 pm

Dominion301 wrote:
Doesn’t CRP also now have DAL on Sundays?


WN already ended DAL-CRP nonstop service earlier this month (along with a few other routes such as DAL-JAX/OKC/SNA/SFO).
 
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Re: Greensboro (GSO) Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 29, 2020 3:13 am

norcarolinian wrote:
gsoflyer wrote:
Hopefully this year will be even better! My wish list is (in no particular order)...
AA: even more mainline to CLT and DFW.
DL: BOS, MSP, and JFK as well as hopefully not downgauging to ATL with retirement of MD-88s
UA: IAH, DEN
G4: LAS
NK: LAS, BWI, ORD, BOS
F9: a return to DEN
WN: MDW, BWI, ATL, HOU
B6: JFK, FLL


You can give up on F9. With DL, I think we'll see more 717 and A319/A320 to GSO. They've been replacing some of the MD-88s with those already.

United IAH and G4 LAS are sorta no brainers. I get why G4 didn't do LAS with the MD-82s, but the current fleet has the range. IAH would be super beneficial to a bunch of local companies that are currently ferrying people to RDU to hop to HOU.

WN has a better name brand than Jetblue. That would be the one I'd hope for. This has to be the largest CSA serving airport with WN service.
 
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Re: Greensboro (GSO) Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 29, 2020 3:36 am

gsoflyer wrote:

WN has a better name brand than Jetblue. That would be the one I'd hope for. This has to be the largest CSA serving airport with WN service.


Assuming you mean "without WN service," that would be correct.

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