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BeNeLux Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Dec 31, 2019 6:41 pm

Welcome to the BeNeLux Aviation Thread 2020. Please continue your discussion and to post your updates here.

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Re: BeNeLux Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Dec 31, 2019 10:42 pm

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After leaving the airport 15 years ago, as from October 25th 2020 Singapore Airlines is to return to Brussels with 4 weekly flights.

About time. I struggle to understand how Cathay made it to BRU before SIA made it back. Their O/D is about the same, so was there that much demand for connecting traffic to China via HKG that wasn't already served from BRU by Hainan and the EU3? Other than that, SIN is about as well located as HKG for connections and SIA has a useful partner in BRU.

Would it be one of those (rare) instances where cargo made a difference? SIA has 10 (?) weekly cargo flights out of BRU and can't count on that incremental revenue to make a passenger flight profitable, whereas Cathay could count on cargo, especially since BRU-HKG is a CEIV trade lane?
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Re: BeNeLux Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 01, 2020 10:57 am

Its an interesting one as O&D traffic as you say should be decent enough for an earlier entry, all be it only 4x weekly. Freight could well be a factor. I also wonder if SQ smell blood with LH group not sure what they are doing with SN at the moment (failed Eurowings experiment etc).
 
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Re: BeNeLux Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Jan 14, 2020 6:54 pm

SCHIPHOL - Not the faltering world trade but the capacity restrictions at Schiphol hold the Dutch air cargo sector in a hold. Both ABN-Amro and ING conclude this in their economic prospects for 2020. "Schiphol's competitive position is under pressure."

The share of cargo flights at Schiphol has been falling for years. Whereas before the economic crisis the large freight aircraft, including those of Martinair, were still teeming, airlines are now increasingly opting to use their precious slots for passenger flights. In addition, a number of companies chose to divert their cargo flights to airports abroad due to a lack of room for growth.

“After all, aviation does not so much lack demand, but is mainly limited by capacity. For Dutch air transport in 2020, with the limit of 500,000 flight movements at Schiphol, there is virtually a growth stop. Freight transport in particular suffered from the restriction of slots and shrinks sharply in 2019, ”says ING. “Allocation of unused slots gives cargo aircraft some air. Thanks to the use of larger aircraft and increasing efficiency, the total volume can be improved by around 1 percent. Because Lelystad Airport will not be opened in 2020 and airports of Eindhoven and Rotterdam are also reaching their limits, it is all about improving efficiency and exchange. ”

Slots given away
ABN-Amro sees the same trend. “The volumes in the airfreight started a huge decrease in 2019 and decreased by nine percent. The number of cargo flights even fell by twelve percent. This is partly the result of faltering world trade, but above all a problem at Schiphol that has been going on for some time. ”

Freight companies reduced the number of flights during the economic crisis. The slots that were released were allocated to other parties, such as holiday flyers and prize fighters. “Air cargo does not just get these slots back. Schiphol's competitive position comes under pressure as trade flows are shifted, which is at the expense of connections with other airports. That can have a negative impact on air cargo companies and logistics service providers around Schiphol. "

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During his New Year's speech, Schiphol chief Dick Benschop stated that the problems in the cargo sector at Schiphol need to be tackled urgently. Otherwise, employment in the sector is at risk.


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Interesting.
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Re: BeNeLux Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Jan 14, 2020 8:31 pm

blueflyer wrote:
Conti764 wrote:
After leaving the airport 15 years ago, as from October 25th 2020 Singapore Airlines is to return to Brussels with 4 weekly flights.

About time. I struggle to understand how Cathay made it to BRU before SIA made it back. Their O/D is about the same, so was there that much demand for connecting traffic to China via HKG that wasn't already served from BRU by Hainan and the EU3? Other than that, SIN is about as well located as HKG for connections and SIA has a useful partner in BRU.

Would it be one of those (rare) instances where cargo made a difference? SIA has 10 (?) weekly cargo flights out of BRU and can't count on that incremental revenue to make a passenger flight profitable, whereas Cathay could count on cargo, especially since BRU-HKG is a CEIV trade lane?


I think that CX was taking advantage of the Chinese tourist boom, among other things. It has surely contributed to derail the attempt of Air Belgium to operate flights between BRU and HKG. When it comes to connections, I'd say that HKG is better positionned than to offer connection to China/Korea/Japan.
 
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Re: BeNeLux Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Jan 17, 2020 10:54 pm

Good to see passenger traffic growth at LUX continue to accelerate. Novembers figures but 11% is good in anyone's book. Maybe picked up some regional diversion of pax who would normally have gone out of FRA and avoided the strikes? AMS at just 0.3% is disappointing. https://www.moodiedavittreport.com/pass ... -november/
 
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Re: BeNeLux Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Jan 18, 2020 5:54 pm

JET AIRWAYS SELLS DUTCH ACTIVITIES TO KLM

MUMBAI - The bankrupt Indian airline Jet Airways sells Dutch activities to KLM for years. The bankruptcy trustees of the company report this in a stock market report. This includes a neglected Boeing 777 and slots at Schiphol.

Jet Airways was India's largest private airline until April last year. Schiphol was the most important European hub, with flights to Bangalore, Delhi, Mumbai and Toronto.

After the bankruptcy, the slots went back to the slot coordinator at Schiphol. KLM wants it now. The office in the WTC at the airport was closed, and a Boeing 777-300ER is still on the chain at Schiphol East. That aircraft is now going to KLM, although the question is whether it will ever fly in the KLM blue.



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So, will the 777 fly again, or will it just be used as a spare parts source?
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Re: BeNeLux Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Jan 28, 2020 5:26 am

I am looking at numbers for BEG-AMS and the route has matured quite nicely over the years. I am certain that soon enough it will hit 200.000 passengers a year especially once more slots are available in AMS.

2015: 103.157
2016: 110.372
2017: 136.920
2018: 180.545
 
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Re: BeNeLux Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Feb 16, 2020 11:53 am

Blerg wrote:
I am looking at numbers for BEG-AMS and the route has matured quite nicely over the years. I am certain that soon enough it will hit 200.000 passengers a year especially once more slots are available in AMS.

2015: 103.157
2016: 110.372
2017: 136.920
2018: 180.545


Quite likely if you include the Eindhoven - Belgrade route in the numbers it's already over 200.000 passengers. Wizzair has been flying this route since 2011 and 2017 the frequency was increased from 3 to 4 times weekly. Quite a lot of demand between the Netherlands and Serbia.

It's performing better than Moscow. It was announced that by the end of this month Pobeda (DP) will stop flying between Eindhoven and Moscow. It seems these flights were diluting too much passengers from the Aeroflot flights from Amsterdam and Brussels.

https://www.luchtvaartnieuws.nl/nieuws/ ... en-airport
 
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Re: BeNeLux Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Feb 16, 2020 12:34 pm

PatrickZ80 wrote:
Blerg wrote:
I am looking at numbers for BEG-AMS and the route has matured quite nicely over the years. I am certain that soon enough it will hit 200.000 passengers a year especially once more slots are available in AMS.

2015: 103.157
2016: 110.372
2017: 136.920
2018: 180.545


Quite likely if you include the Eindhoven - Belgrade route in the numbers it's already over 200.000 passengers. Wizzair has been flying this route since 2011 and 2017 the frequency was increased from 3 to 4 times weekly. Quite a lot of demand between the Netherlands and Serbia.

It's performing better than Moscow. It was announced that by the end of this month Pobeda (DP) will stop flying between Eindhoven and Moscow. It seems these flights were diluting too much passengers from the Aeroflot flights from Amsterdam and Brussels.

https://www.luchtvaartnieuws.nl/nieuws/ ... en-airport


No doubt about that, market is pretty massive especially now when AMS has become an extremely convenient transfer airport from BEG. Unfortunately I don't see more frequencies being added on BEG-AMS until more slots become available.
 
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Re: BeNeLux Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Feb 16, 2020 12:36 pm

Like many routes out of Brussels, BRU-SVO on Aeroflot tends to be particularly cheap point to point, also Brussels Airlines flies BRU-SVO.

It is not uncommon to fly those flights for 200 EUR return, when Aeroflot will command twice that figure to take you to Paris or London.

I guess there is no much point of EIN-VKO when Brussels or Aeroflot will fly you for 100 EUR one way.
 
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Re: BeNeLux Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Feb 16, 2020 12:50 pm

SCQ83 wrote:
Like many routes out of Brussels, BRU-SVO on Aeroflot tends to be particularly cheap point to point, also Brussels Airlines flies BRU-SVO.

It is not uncommon to fly those flights for 200 EUR return, when Aeroflot will command twice that figure to take you to Paris or London.

I guess there is no much point of EIN-VKO when Brussels or Aeroflot will fly you for 100 EUR one way.


The bigger question is how does SN survive on the market? I mean it's a long flight and yields are trash. Do they have transfer passengers to compensate the low yielding O&D passengers?
 
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Re: BeNeLux Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Feb 16, 2020 5:31 pm

SCQ83 wrote:
Like many routes out of Brussels, BRU-SVO on Aeroflot tends to be particularly cheap point to point, also Brussels Airlines flies BRU-SVO.

It is not uncommon to fly those flights for 200 EUR return, when Aeroflot will command twice that figure to take you to Paris or London.

Somehow the math must work for Aeroflot though. They send up to 3 737s to BRU daily. They could sub in a single A330 or even 777 to decrease supply and raise fares, all the while lowering operating costs overall. But they don't. Is there a lot of connecting traffic through SVO sustaining the flights?
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Re: BeNeLux Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Mar 01, 2020 6:44 am

SN Brussels reductions to Italy:

Brussels – Milan Linate 02MAR20 – 13MAR20 Reduce from 18 to 10 weekly
Brussels – Milan Malpensa 02MAR20 – 13MAR20 Reduce from 18 to 11 weekly
Brussels – Rome 02MAR20 – 13MAR20 Reduce from 22 to 16 weekly
Brussels – Venice 02MAR20 – 13MAR20 Reduce from 17 to 13 weekly

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-28feb20/
 
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Re: BeNeLux Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Mar 19, 2020 6:07 am

What's the plan for the Brussels Airlines fleet when ops stop? Will they park all the aircraft at BRU?
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Re: BeNeLux Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Mar 19, 2020 8:50 am

blueflyer wrote:
What's the plan for the Brussels Airlines fleet when ops stop? Will they park all the aircraft at BRU?


Most of them already are.
Some are in maintenance in AMM and BUD.
See here: https://sites.google.com/site/lhgroupfleet/brussels
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Re: BeNeLux Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Mar 21, 2020 4:23 pm

TUI Fly is canceling all flights from Belgium between March 23 and April 30. Between them, Brussels Airlines already grounded and Ryanair slowly almost-shutting-down, BRU and CRL will be very quiet. LGG on the other hand is as busy as ever. FedEx to add flights to make up for the loss of cargo space even.
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Re: BeNeLux Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Mar 23, 2020 5:26 pm

KLM's 2020 Summer Schedule from March 29 to May 3rd - published March 23rd, 2020.

Only B787 and B777 operating:

- Atlanta 3x/week
- Abu Dhabi/Muscat 2x/week
- Bangkok 2x/week
- Curaçao 2x/week
- Delhi 2x/week
- Dubai 3x/week
- Sao Paulo 2x/week
- Hong Kong 3x/week
- Seoul 3x/week
- New York JFK 7x/week
- Johannesburg 3x/week
- Osaka 2x/week
- Los Angeles 3x/week
- Lima 3x/week
- Mexico City 3x/week
- Nairobi 2x/week
- Tokyo 2x/week
- Chicago 2x/week
- Beijing 3x/week
- Panama City 2x/week
- Shanghai 3x/week
- Singapore 3x/week
- Taipei 3x/week
- Calgary 3x/week
- Toronto 3x/week

European destinations:
- Geneva
- Vienna
- Zürich
- Brussels
- Paris
- Lyons
- Düsseldorf
- Frankfurt
- Hamburg
- München
- Stuttgart
- Berlin
- Rome (from April 4)
- Stockholm
- Billund
- Copenhagen
- Gothenburg
- Oslo
- Barcelona
- Lisbon
- Madrid
- Aberdeen
- Birmingham
- Bristol
- Dublin
- Edinburgh
- Glasgow
- Leeds Bradford
- London City
- London Heathrow
- Manchester
- Newcastle

Changes are very likely.

https://news.klm.com/covid-19-klm-start ... tinations/
 
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Re: BeNeLux Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Mar 26, 2020 8:17 am

Just an overview of the 'special' freighter operations at AMS that have been launched since the Corona epidemic commenced:

- TK6125 IST - AMS B77W Cargo 4x/week
- AC7154 YYZ-AMS B77W Cargo
- UA2781 EWR-AMS B77W Cargo 3x/week
- UA2786 IAH-AMS B77W Cargo 3x/week
- UA2810 ORD-AMS B77W Cargo 3x/week
- UA2768 SFO-AMS B78X Cargo 2x/week
- EK9909 DWC-AMS B77F Cargo daily
- EK9959 DWC-AMS B77F Cargo

KLM also operated additional freighter services to a.o. JFK, UIO and other destinations.
 
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Re: BeNeLux Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Mar 28, 2020 8:05 am

A list of airlines/routes flown from Schiphol:

Aegean Airlines – no flights
Aer Lingus – Cork and Dublin
Aeroflot – repatriation flights only
Aeromexico – Mexico City
Air Arabia Maroc – no flights
Air Astana – no flights
AirBaltic – no flights
Air Canada – no flights
Air Europa – no flights
Air France – Paris. only
Air Malta – no flights
Air Serbia – no flights
Air Transat – normally for the summer season, will not return for the foreseeable future
Alitalia – no flights
American Airlines – no flights
Arkia – will not return for the foreseeable future
Austrian Airlines – no flights
Belavia - Minsk
British Airways – Londen Heathrow
Bulgaria Air – Sofia

Cathay Pacific - no flights
China Airlines - Taipei
China Eastern Airlines: no flights
China Southern Airlines: no flights
Corendon – no flights
Croatia Airlines – Zagreb
Czech Airlines – no flights
Delta Air Lines – Atlanta and Detroit. only
EasyJet - no flights
Egyptair – no flights
El Al – no flights
Emirates – no flights
Etihad Airways – no flights
Eurowings – Hamburg and Stuttgart only
EVA Air – no flights, last one on March 28th.
Finnair – Helsinki
Garuda Indonesia – Jakarta
Georgian Airways – no flights
Iberia Express – no flights
Icelandair – From April 4th onwards to Reykjavik (Keflavik)
Iran Air – no flights
Jet2 – no flights
Kenya Airways – no flights
KLM - less than 10% of normal opps
Korean Air – no flights
Level – no flights
LOT Polish Airlines – no flights
Lufthansa - Frankfurt only
Norwegian – no flights
Pegasus – no flights
Qatar Airways – Doha
Royal Air Maroc – no flights
Royal Jordanian – no flights
Ryanair – Dublin
Scandinavian Airlines – no flights
Singapore Airlines – no flights
SunExpress – no flights
Surinam Airways – no flights
SWISS – Zürich only
TAP Air Portugal – Lissabon
TAROM – Boekarest
Transavia – no flights
TUI fly – no flights
Tunisair – no flights
Turkish Airlines – no flights
Ukraine International Airlines – no flights
United Airlines – no flights
Ural Airlines – no flights
Vueling – no flights
Xiamen Airlines – no flights

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Because of the massive drop in traffic, Schiphol will reduce the capacity of the arrival and departer area's.

REDUCTION TO CORE-SCHIPHOL

SCHIPHOL - Schiphol will now implement the core-Schiphol plan in phases, whereby the airport will be significantly reduced by closing a large number of its facilities. This is necessary because there are now 80 percent fewer passengers and 75 percent fewer flights.

The airport checks which facilities are still needed on a daily basis. The check-in facilities are now limited to Departures 2 and 3, after which travelers with a destination within Schengen go through the temporary security filter near Departure 1 and the other travelers through the filter at Departure 2.

After security and / or passport control, lounge 1, 2 and 3 will remain in use for the time being. Of the piers, only low-cost pier H is currently closed (which normally includes EasyJet and Ryanair), but the intention is that only piers E and D will remain open in due course.
 
Never completely closed
According to Schiphol, the airport will never close completely: "We always remain open: for the passenger flights that still arrive and depart, but also for repatriation, freight traffic, emergency services and alternative aircraft."


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Interesting how this organization deals with the massive drop in flights and passengers. The closed piers will be used for parking a/c.
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Re: BeNeLux Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Mar 28, 2020 6:14 pm

According to NOS (Dutch public news), Schiphol will start using 18L/36R (Aalsmeerbaan) as a parking space for planes, most likely starting tomorrow. The runway should be able to handle 25 parked planes.
 
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Re: BeNeLux Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:39 pm

The opening of Lelystad airport has been postponed for at least a year, till November 2021.

Link in Dutch

Feels to me, that Cora van Nieuwenhuizen is using the current crisis as an excuse for the delay, which was inevitable. The requirements to open the airport haven't been met yet.
Presumably, everything will be back to normal next year, so Schiphol will be slot bouned. To relieve this pressure, Lelystad airport was to take over some of the load.
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Re: BeNeLux Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:13 am

Dutchy wrote:
The opening of Lelystad airport has been postponed for at least a year, till November 2021.

Link in Dutch

Feels to me, that Cora van Nieuwenhuizen is using the current crisis as an excuse for the delay, which was inevitable. The requirements to open the airport haven't been met yet.
Presumably, everything will be back to normal next year, so Schiphol will be slot bouned. To relieve this pressure, Lelystad airport was to take over some of the load.


The question is whether we actually need LEY for the coming years. Especially as Cora van Nieuwenhuizen also mentioned that AMS could grow safely to 540,000 commercial movements. If this will be approved is off course another matter.

(article in Dutch as I don't have a CAPA subscription)
https://luchtvaartnieuws.nl/nieuws/categorie/3/airports/minister-schiphol-kan-veilig-groeien-naar-540000-vliegbewegingen
 
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Re: BeNeLux Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Apr 03, 2020 6:28 am

So I somewhat stumbled on the current Google Maps satellite view of BRU, and I wonder, does anyone know when exactly it was taken (sometime in 2020)? There are only 7 aircraft on the ground (yes, seven!), and that includes 3 biz jets, one aircraft parked at the military apron, and the tail of one sticking out of the Lufty hangar. What was going on that the airport was so emptied?
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Re: BeNeLux Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Apr 06, 2020 12:58 pm

Brussels Airlines is extending its cancellation of scheduled passenger service to May 15. Flights will be resumed gradually based on demand. In the meantime, it continues to operate repatriation flights (mostly between Africa and Belgium) and cargo-only flights.
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Re: BeNeLux Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Apr 08, 2020 6:11 am

Tucked at the bottom of a Lufthansa press release on permanent fleet reduction at the mothership:
The restructuring programs already initiated at Austrian Airlines and Brussels Airlines will be further intensified due to the coronavirus crisis. Among other things, both companies are working on reducing their fleets.
https://newsroom.lufthansagroup.com/eng ... a5d5b2c0d3

Since Eurowings is to go through deep cuts, I'd guess most/all A330s operated for Eurowings will be the first, but not the only, aircraft to be stored.
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Re: BeNeLux Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Apr 08, 2020 12:33 pm

So what's in store for SN? With more planes leaving the fleet I guess network wide reductions are coming.

Has SN ever adequately replaced the Avro? Seems like a right sized plane for them.

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