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Turkish Aviation January 2020

Tue Dec 31, 2019 8:13 pm

HAPPY NEW YEAR everyone
Also, Happy 13th anniversary for Turkish Aviation threads. Thanks everyone for participating :)




Let me start things off with few headlines:
-TK started bunch of destinations in 2019 like; SHJ, RAK, Strasbourg, Port Harcourt, Bali, Pointe-Noire, MEX, CUN, LXR, Rovaniemi and yesterday 3 x W Xian.
-SAW will have its 2nd runway mid 2020, CATIII and Subway there will be finished end of 2020. SAW finished 2019 with a total pax of 36M. With the new terminal the capacity will go up to 66M.
-TK predicted early 2019 that it will carry a total of 80M pax and then the MAX thing happened and the number will be lot lower.
-Jan/Feb 2 more 77Fs will join TK. They were ordered back in Nov'18. Also 9 x 787-9s to join in the first 5 months.
-Also 5 x 350s, 15 x 321NEOs and 36 additional MAXs to join, but let's see what happens.
-Pegasus will be getting 15 x 320NEOs and 5 x 321NEOs in 2020
-2020 summer, TK will fly 7xW HND, 4xW to NRT and 4xW to KIX.
-MAX is the big story at TK this year and recently they settled on a $120M compensation. Let's see if they will fly in 2020.
-Also another big story last year was the arrival of the 787s. Let's see if the rumors are true and they will get new J seats??

Please continue with your news, photos, rumors and good old sense of humor.
You can find last month's thread here: Turkish Aviation December 2019
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation January 2020

Tue Dec 31, 2019 8:49 pm

Considering the MAXs get further delayed, with TK receiving 15 additional A321neos in 2020, they should use this aircraft to replace the B737NGs on ABV / PHC rather than the costlier A330s which will be vvv tough to fill after 15Jan.
 
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Tue Dec 31, 2019 10:26 pm

Happy new year.

With improving infrastructure at SAW, we may see SAW challenging IST starting from 2021.
The future is in the skies.
 
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Tue Dec 31, 2019 11:30 pm

TK105 wrote:
Happy new year.

With improving infrastructure at SAW, we may see SAW challenging IST starting from 2021.


Could IST's new location help them or ...
 
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Wed Jan 01, 2020 10:23 am

TC-LOL TK's newest A330-343 has been damaged while landing at Port Harcourt due to pilot misjudgment on runway center light.
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Wed Jan 01, 2020 10:31 am

Thanks for a new thread and Happy New Year all.

juliuswong wrote:
TC-LOL TK's newest A330-343 has been damaged while landing at Port Harcourt due to pilot misjudgment on runway center light.


Ouch what bad luck !
 
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Wed Jan 01, 2020 11:01 am

Happy New Year!
Malabo, Equatorial Guinea starting soon (via PHC). Can we expect Bata to come online too? Turks have been staying at the Ibis hotel in town...
Any news regarding Juba and Aswan?
What about Luanda, why has that not happened yet?
Also, I don't understand why Lomé is NOT served. It's an ET-affiliate regional hub for connecting traffic to other countries in the region...
The other missing countries in the area include Liberia, Guinea-Bissau and the Cape Verde Islands.
Other cities of interest in the area include: Port Gentil (Gabon), Enugu and Ibadan (Nigeria), Brazzaville (Congo), Catumbela (Angola), Bata (Equ. Guinea), Bangui (CAR)...
 
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Wed Jan 01, 2020 11:22 am

2 ex Norwegian 738 joining Anadolujet soon. Aircraft is ex LN-NGQ and LN-NGU.
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Wed Jan 01, 2020 11:50 am

OA260 wrote:
Thanks for a new thread and Happy New Year all.

juliuswong wrote:
TC-LOL TK's newest A330-343 has been damaged while landing at Port Harcourt due to pilot misjudgment on runway center light.


Ouch what bad luck !


Bad luck? Botched landings seem to be a TK specialty. :shock:
 
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Wed Jan 01, 2020 1:20 pm

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2 ex Norwegian 738 joining Anadolujet soon. Aircraft is ex LN-NGQ and LN-NGU.

https://twitter.com/StevieB56346739/sta ... 5125741568 - ex LN-NGU to be TC-JZM

https://twitter.com/HavArenaMedya/statu ... 4034634752 - ex LN-NGQ to be TC-JZI
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Wed Jan 01, 2020 2:41 pm

When Atlas Global suspended ops, they ended Zonguldak's only international routes. Since resuming flights, Atlas Global no longer operate to Zonguldak

I know there are flights with TK to IST, but is there likely to be anything more ? Perhaps SunExpress ?
 
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Wed Jan 01, 2020 3:17 pm

davidjohnson6 wrote:
When Atlas Global suspended ops, they ended Zonguldak's only international routes. Since resuming flights, Atlas Global no longer operate to Zonguldak

I know there are flights with TK to IST, but is there likely to be anything more ? Perhaps SunExpress ?


I reckon SunExpress would need smaller aircraft to be able to operate the routes out of Zonguldak.
 
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Thu Jan 02, 2020 5:34 am

juliuswong wrote:
TC-LOL TK's newest A330-343 has been damaged while landing at Port Harcourt due to pilot misjudgment on runway center light.

It happens to be that there are no centerline lights on that runway (or any operating lights, as one claim is that they once existed but later remain buried under a new layer of asphalt...). In any case, this is not a CATIII rwy and there's no necessity for the presence of centerline lights.

TK105 wrote:
Happy new year.

With improving infrastructure at SAW, we may see SAW challenging IST starting from 2021.


I really look forward to see those days, but I have doubts... Which airlines will serve the ER routes, from the up gauged SAW? Today both QR & EK are taking care of the Near East & Far East (even Australia/New Zealand) destinations with a reasonable transfer in the Gulf. TK seems to have no interest in those segments from SAW. But the westward destinations (like the Americas) are still open. Can it be that eventually Pegasus gets hold of a couple of 333neo's and start Norwegian like ops to USA East Coast?

BTW, although it's not 100% confirmed, the new Terminal at SAW (I deliberately use this "new terminal" wording, as the present big (main) terminal at SAW is the 2nd terminal. The very first terminal where ops started at SAW is not demolished but unused, though it can be made functional...) will be allocated to all other airlines and the present day big (main) terminal will be exclusively utilised by Pegasus. So both terminals will have their own domestic and international sections.
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Re: Turkish Aviation January 2020

Thu Jan 02, 2020 9:15 am

This is good news as Boeing 737 MAX crisis has caused considerable downturn at operation at ESB in particular because the airport depends highly on AnadoluJet service and the shortage in narrow body frames and TK's stripping of AnadoluJet fleet is the main reson why 2019 saw a downturn trend in pax numbers at ESB and the situation is not reflecting the loss in demand in my opinion. Many AnadoluJet services were cut down as a result.

Two frames of course are insufficient and hope more will follow.

TK should immediately come up with a new plan for narrow body fleet expansion both for its mainline and AnadoluJet and in my opinion variants of Airbus 220,319,320 and 321 for both operations will be a great solution. Definitely smaller jets like 220 and 319 are essential for the commercial viability and technical flexibility of most airports in Eastern Turkey as well as nearby international markets.

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SQ789 wrote:
2 ex Norwegian 738 joining Anadolujet soon. Aircraft is ex LN-NGQ and LN-NGU.

https://twitter.com/StevieB56346739/sta ... 5125741568 - ex LN-NGU to be TC-JZM

https://twitter.com/HavArenaMedya/statu ... 4034634752 - ex LN-NGQ to be TC-JZI
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation January 2020

Thu Jan 02, 2020 12:44 pm

bgm wrote:

Bad luck? Botched landings seem to be a TK specialty. :shock:

-Unfortunately; I remember Kathmandu, Kiev and now this. Also the 320 hard landing at Ataturk, I think that ended up as write-off also.
-Also, TK keeps cutting back. This latest one about overtime. Not sure if I understand it correctly but the flight crews have to fly 6 days in a row, to get overtime on the 7th day. Correct me if I am wrong.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation January 2020

Thu Jan 02, 2020 1:02 pm

mafaky wrote:
TK105 wrote:
With improving infrastructure at SAW, we may see SAW challenging IST starting from 2021.


I really look forward to see those days, but I have doubts... Which airlines will serve the ER routes, from the up gauged SAW? Today both QR & EK are taking care of the Near East & Far East (even Australia/New Zealand) destinations with a reasonable transfer in the Gulf. TK seems to have no interest in those segments from SAW. But the westward destinations (like the Americas) are still open. Can it be that eventually Pegasus gets hold of a couple of 333neo's and start Norwegian like ops to USA East Coast?


I think there is great untapped potential for LLC LH operations from Turkey, Middle East, Near East, East Europe and North Africa to USA and South East Asia. I agree 339neo would be a nice airplane for this operation. Pegasus can start such an operation with JFK, LAX and BKK. Obviously this is a major decision and you need a very good business plan to be successful. But Pegasus achieved so much and I trust they can make this also.
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Re: Turkish Aviation January 2020

Thu Jan 02, 2020 1:59 pm

Happy New Year Everyone.
Thanks TK787 as always for taking the time to start the thread, and making a great summary of hot topics.
Too bad about the 330 incident, but I also think that its bad piloting rather than bad luck, I hope TK gives safety and pilot training number 1 priority even while growing fast.
Surprised TK max settlement haven't had much discussion or even its own thread on anet, saw it discussed at the max news reference thread. What do you guys think about the settlement? It seems TK has some decent insider info from BA on the RTS schedule so they decided to agree on a number.
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Re: Turkish Aviation January 2020

Thu Jan 02, 2020 6:25 pm

Any resolution is better than litigation particulalry if you are sung Boeing in a US Court no matter how strong your case is. Happy to hear that and very much surprised that this was one of the first settlements in this regard. I am more concerned and intersted as to how TK will fill the gap and what the immediate plans are regarding the narrow body fleet though. I am one of those that will never step on a 737 MAX no matter how they resolve the issue witht he aircraft, hate to be an experimental victim on Boeing's learning curve. I am sure many passangers will do so as well...

gokmengs wrote:
Happy New Year Everyone.
Thanks TK787 as always for taking the time to start the thread, and making a great summary of hot topics.
Too bad about the 330 incident, but I also think that its bad piloting rather than bad luck, I hope TK gives safety and pilot training number 1 priority even while growing fast.
Surprised TK max settlement haven't had much discussion or even its own thread on anet, saw it discussed at the max news reference thread. What do you guys think about the settlement? It seems TK has some decent insider info from BA on the RTS schedule so they decided to agree on a number.
 
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Thu Jan 02, 2020 6:31 pm

Agree 100%, Norwegian could be a good model for Pegasus, I am sure the potential is there and witht their strong short haul network the transfer pax potential is there for them to make this a profitable operation...

TK105 wrote:
mafaky wrote:
TK105 wrote:
With improving infrastructure at SAW, we may see SAW challenging IST starting from 2021.


I really look forward to see those days, but I have doubts... Which airlines will serve the ER routes, from the up gauged SAW? Today both QR & EK are taking care of the Near East & Far East (even Australia/New Zealand) destinations with a reasonable transfer in the Gulf. TK seems to have no interest in those segments from SAW. But the westward destinations (like the Americas) are still open. Can it be that eventually Pegasus gets hold of a couple of 333neo's and start Norwegian like ops to USA East Coast?


I think there is great untapped potential for LLC LH operations from Turkey, Middle East, Near East, East Europe and North Africa to USA and South East Asia. I agree 339neo would be a nice airplane for this operation. Pegasus can start such an operation with JFK, LAX and BKK. Obviously this is a major decision and you need a very good business plan to be successful. But Pegasus achieved so much and I trust they can make this also.
 
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Thu Jan 02, 2020 6:41 pm

I just saw a post on facebook saying TK flight from cape town circled for 2 hours because of landing gear issue. Airbus A330. Scary.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation January 2020

Thu Jan 02, 2020 7:41 pm

ankaraflyjet wrote:
Agree 100%, Norwegian could be a good model for Pegasus, I am sure the potential is there and witht their strong short haul network the transfer pax potential is there for them to make this a profitable operation...

TK105 wrote:
mafaky wrote:


I really look forward to see those days, but I have doubts... Which airlines will serve the ER routes, from the up gauged SAW? Today both QR & EK are taking care of the Near East & Far East (even Australia/New Zealand) destinations with a reasonable transfer in the Gulf. TK seems to have no interest in those segments from SAW. But the westward destinations (like the Americas) are still open. Can it be that eventually Pegasus gets hold of a couple of 333neo's and start Norwegian like ops to USA East Coast?


I think there is great untapped potential for LLC LH operations from Turkey, Middle East, Near East, East Europe and North Africa to USA and South East Asia. I agree 339neo would be a nice airplane for this operation. Pegasus can start such an operation with JFK, LAX and BKK. Obviously this is a major decision and you need a very good business plan to be successful. But Pegasus achieved so much and I trust they can make this also.


Norwegian is currently scaling back their longhaul operations though. Also selling the Argentinian unit. Not so profitable.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation January 2020

Thu Jan 02, 2020 7:42 pm

slickvik wrote:
I just saw a post on facebook saying TK flight from cape town circled for 2 hours because of landing gear issue. Airbus A330. Scary.

This kind of stuff happen all the time. Front landing gear did not close.
I think plane circled a bit around CPT, dumped some fuel. But not sure why did not land at CPT, now going to JNB.
Maybe better technical services at JNB??
https://www.flightradar24.com/THY45T/2363885e
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Thu Jan 02, 2020 7:44 pm

aldrigsomandre wrote:
Norwegian is currently scaling back their longhaul operations though. Also selling the Argentinian unit. Not so profitable.

Just found a one way ticket on Norwegian from BCN-JFK for $145. Incredible !!! How can that be profitable ??
 
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Thu Jan 02, 2020 8:07 pm

TK787 wrote:
aldrigsomandre wrote:
Norwegian is currently scaling back their longhaul operations though. Also selling the Argentinian unit. Not so profitable.

Just found a one way ticket on Norwegian from BCN-JFK for $145. Incredible !!! How can that be profitable ??


It's not, they're cutting back on a massive scale.
 
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Thu Jan 02, 2020 8:08 pm

TK787 wrote:
slickvik wrote:
I just saw a post on facebook saying TK flight from cape town circled for 2 hours because of landing gear issue. Airbus A330. Scary.

This kind of stuff happen all the time. Front landing gear did not close.
I think plane circled a bit around CPT, dumped some fuel. But not sure why did not land at CPT, now going to JNB.
Maybe better technical services at JNB??
https://www.flightradar24.com/THY45T/2363885e


Limited engineering capacity in CPT since SAA stopped longhaul services from the city. Bulk of the maintenance is now done in JNB.
 
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Thu Jan 02, 2020 8:17 pm

Just watched it on Flight24 the landing at 3R, around 6 fire trucks were along the runway. They followed the jet after landing to taxiway.
Looks like it is making its way toward the terminal now. 3 trucks still following it.
It came to a stop at Gate A18.
 
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Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:22 pm

I just pre-ordered my diecast model from Herpa; 1:500 scale TK 787-9 TC-LLA, to arrive in May :)
 
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Sat Jan 04, 2020 7:01 pm

Happy 2020 everyone!


OAG study says Turkey was the fastest average growth rate between 2010-2019

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Also, TK is now the 10th largest airline based on seats

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https://www.oag.com/blog/decade-delight ... evelopment
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Sun Jan 05, 2020 11:58 am

Hey everyone currently posting on board TK 777W TC-LJA TK033 to Houston. Seems pretty full in J will find out the load for all cabins in a bit. Again disappointed that we were bussed to our plane. In my personal experience I used an actual gate departing or arriving at the new airport less than I used the bus. Maybe its my luck maybe its just the way it is here, defeats the mega airport concept IMO. While being bussed to the plane saw a brand new TK 787 and wished that was our ride to
Houston. Curious when TK has a sizeable fleet of 787 and 350 added to the 777’s what would the fleet choice be for existing North American routes. Any guesses?


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Sun Jan 05, 2020 1:42 pm

Bon Voyage,
IMHO, since 787 pilots came from the 77W fleets, those flights will be interchangeable, on a daily basis or seasonally.
ATL, IAD is 787 but that is going to change.
For example, JFK is going to see 11 of 14 flights with 787 next winter, but I bet it is going back to 77W in summers.
MIA might go to 787 in summers. That is for the 787/77W.
But for 350 it is a whole other game, TK can no afford to fly a mix fleet to those destinations, like JFK. One day Airbus, next day Boeing and deadheading crew back to IST. 350 arriving lot slower than 787s, so we will know more in a couple of years I think.
 
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Sun Jan 05, 2020 10:20 pm

Besides London and Dubai, TK 350s will fly some of the frequencies to GRU, EZE, BKK, MNL, YUL, ICN, LAX...
That's all I can remember. Please correct me. Also we are talking about 5 frames arriving this year.
 
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Sun Jan 05, 2020 10:25 pm

Any chance of TK ordering additional 787'S and A359'S in the near future. If so does anyone think TK might order a few 78X'S for higher demand routes?
 
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Sun Jan 05, 2020 10:46 pm

georgiabill wrote:
Any chance of TK ordering additional 787'S and A359'S in the near future. If so does anyone think TK might order a few 78X'S for higher demand routes?

TK is trying to save money these days. On top, they have over 40 Long Haul planes arriving in the next 4 years. 333/77W fleet still pretty new. I do not expect TK ordering anymore Long Haul planes for 2-3 years.
 
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Mon Jan 06, 2020 12:11 am

Hi all, any knows the latest TK plan for their A330ceo fleet?

Currently they have 68 in fleet:
- 28 A330-200 (18 pax, 10 freighter)
- 40 A330-300

Understand that A330-223 TC-LNA and TC-LNB (both ex-Kingfisher aircraft) are on their way out. Both stored at the moment.
1. Are A330-223 TC-JIL, TC-JIM and TC-JIN (ex-Jet Aiways aicraft) leaving too?
2. How about the lone A330-302 (ex-Afriqiyah Airways)?
3. Is TK planning to add more pre-loved A330-300? Read on the other thread they may be adding more to provide more capacity.

Much thanks for all contributors here.
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Mon Jan 06, 2020 12:21 am

Fleet plan per latest investor presentation.

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Mon Jan 06, 2020 5:44 am

Starting from June 09 2020, Pegasus will launch 4 weekly flights to Helsinki from Sabiha. Two flights depart at 10.30 and two at 11.00. TK on the other hand operates two daily flights from IST.
 
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Mon Jan 06, 2020 11:42 am

juliuswong wrote:
Hi all, any knows the latest TK plan for their A330ceo fleet?

Currently they have 68 in fleet:
- 28 A330-200 (18 pax, 10 freighter)
- 40 A330-300

Understand that A330-223 TC-LNA and TC-LNB (both ex-Kingfisher aircraft) are on their way out. Both stored at the moment.
1. Are A330-223 TC-JIL, TC-JIM and TC-JIN (ex-Jet Aiways aicraft) leaving too?
2. How about the lone A330-302 (ex-Afriqiyah Airways)?
3. Is TK planning to add more pre-loved A330-300? Read on the other thread they may be adding more to provide more capacity.

Much thanks for all contributors here.

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Re: Turkish Aviation January 2020

Mon Jan 06, 2020 12:14 pm

Looks like a windy day in Istanbul, but so far not too bad looking at Flightradar. Interesting wind levels at 3 airports:
IST from 040 36Knots, gusting to 47Knots
SAW from 060 19knot
ISL from 020 22Knots, gusting to 34Knots
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation January 2020

Mon Jan 06, 2020 10:07 pm

@SeanM1997 has posted on twitter and flights are on sale on flypgs.com

Pegasus to launch 3 new routes to London Stansted:
31/03 - Ankara to London Stansted (3x weekly; year-round)
04/05 - Dalaman to London Stansted (1x weekly - replacing Dalaman to London Gatwick; seasonal)
08/06 - Antalya to London Stansted (2x weekly; seasonal)

Izmir to London Stansted will increase from 3 to 5 weekly

Can somebody edit the wiki as flights are on sale but edits keep getting deleted on Stansted, Ankara and Dalaman pages
 
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Tue Jan 07, 2020 4:43 am

TK787 wrote:
georgiabill wrote:
Any chance of TK ordering additional 787'S and A359'S in the near future. If so does anyone think TK might order a few 78X'S for higher demand routes?

TK is trying to save money these days. On top, they have over 40 Long Haul planes arriving in the next 4 years. 333/77W fleet still pretty new. I do not expect TK ordering anymore Long Haul planes for 2-3 years.


I basically agree on this observation. In fact, over the next 4 years TK will be adding a total of 44 (fourty four) 789s & 359s to its fleet while retaining a major part of their 77W and 333 fleet (possibly 55+ frames from both types), though it will be questionable how economically feasible this aging fleet will perform when compared to the 789/359 fleet.

However, what will be TK's solution for the Australian routes if they still want to fly non-stop IST-SYD/MEL while also retaining a reasonable space for commercial cargo + say 85-90% load factor aboard the frames to be utilised on these routes?
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Tue Jan 07, 2020 5:09 am

3 questions to discuss
1) can a359/1000 ulr perform sydney/mel non stop?
2) major part of leased A332 s will be leaving in the next 2-3 years and 5 owned 332s (na-ne) will be around 20 years age in the next 3-4 years, does TK need a replacement for them?
3) lease contract of skybird 333s(loa...) will be expired in the next 3-4 years, same applioes for jom, if these birds leave as well, order seems unavoidable

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Tue Jan 07, 2020 6:28 am

mafaky wrote:
TK787 wrote:
georgiabill wrote:
Any chance of TK ordering additional 787'S and A359'S in the near future. If so does anyone think TK might order a few 78X'S for higher demand routes?

TK is trying to save money these days. On top, they have over 40 Long Haul planes arriving in the next 4 years. 333/77W fleet still pretty new. I do not expect TK ordering anymore Long Haul planes for 2-3 years.


I basically agree on this observation. In fact, over the next 4 years TK will be adding a total of 44 (fourty four) 789s & 359s to its fleet while retaining a major part of their 77W and 333 fleet (possibly 55+ frames from both types), though it will be questionable how economically feasible this aging fleet will perform when compared to the 789/359 fleet.

However, what will be TK's solution for the Australian routes if they still want to fly non-stop IST-SYD/MEL while also retaining a reasonable space for commercial cargo + say 85-90% load factor aboard the frames to be utilised on these routes?


Could we maybe see the A333 slowly being transferred from long-haul to short and medium haul? There are quite a lot of destinations that are high volume right now, routes such as Amsterdam or London. There are also some other destinations that see widebodies like TLV, OTP, VIE...
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation January 2020

Tue Jan 07, 2020 7:42 am

There was a runway incident at SAW this morning where a Pegasus 737 skidded of runway. I think flights are cancelled till 11:20.

Are the incoming flights diverted to the New Airport ?

https://www.cnnturk.com/turkiye/son-dak ... tten-cikti
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation January 2020

Tue Jan 07, 2020 10:49 am

LLA001 wrote:
There was a runway incident at SAW this morning where a Pegasus 737 skidded of runway. I think flights are cancelled till 11:20.

Are the incoming flights diverted to the New Airport ?

https://www.cnnturk.com/turkiye/son-dak ... tten-cikti


Latest news is that SAW will begin operations only after 20:00 hrs. today. Most of the flights are diverted to IST, otherwise to Çorlu & Bursa/Yenişehir. And, of course some are cancelled.

If the 2nd runway (currently under construction) was not delayed by some "unseen hidden hands" till now, SAW would at least remain operational today despite this unfortunate accident! :? :evil:
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Re: Turkish Aviation January 2020

Tue Jan 07, 2020 10:58 am

Blerg wrote:

Could we maybe see the A333 slowly being transferred from long-haul to short and medium haul? There are quite a lot of destinations that are high volume right now, routes such as Amsterdam or London. There are also some other destinations that see widebodies like TLV, OTP, VIE...


The TK A333 is already operated on short haul routes, both domestic and regional.
Major European routes as IST - AMS and LHR are also operated with multiple widebodies each day:

- IST - AMS = 4x daily A333/B77W
- IST - LHR = 5x daily A321/A359/B77W
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation January 2020

Tue Jan 07, 2020 11:21 am

mafaky wrote:
LLA001 wrote:
Most of the flights are diverted to IST, otherwise to Çorlu & Bursa/Yenişehir.


I am happy I am not flying through SAW today but why Çorlu and Bursa? IST has the capacity to receive all the traffic and it would be better disembark there especially for Istanbul destinations.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation January 2020

Tue Jan 07, 2020 11:38 am

factsonly wrote:
Blerg wrote:

Could we maybe see the A333 slowly being transferred from long-haul to short and medium haul? There are quite a lot of destinations that are high volume right now, routes such as Amsterdam or London. There are also some other destinations that see widebodies like TLV, OTP, VIE...


The TK A333 is already operated on short haul routes, both domestic and regional.
Major European routes as IST - AMS and LHR are also operated with multiple widebodies each day:

- IST - AMS = 4x daily A333/B77W
- IST - LHR = 5x daily A321/A359/B77W


But what configuration do they have? I meant more to refurbish them into a higher density cabin.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation January 2020

Tue Jan 07, 2020 12:26 pm

LLA001 wrote:
There was a runway incident at SAW this morning where a Pegasus 737 skidded of runway. I think flights are cancelled till 11:20.

Are the incoming flights diverted to the New Airport ?

https://www.cnnturk.com/turkiye/son-dak ... tten-cikti

I wonder if it is a write off.
Also I saw that a TK 321 made a hard landing yesterday after half hour flight from IST, some landing gear problems. That might be a write off also, they say.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation January 2020

Tue Jan 07, 2020 12:37 pm

TK787 wrote:
I wonder if it is a write off.
Also I saw that a TK 321 made a hard landing yesterday after half hour flight from IST, some landing gear problems. That might be a write off also, they say.

The Pegasus frame doesn't appear to be a write-off, but of course there has to be thorough inspection of the body and landing gear.

Could you sort out which of TK's 321 it was, that experienced a hard landing, yesterday?
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Re: Turkish Aviation January 2020

Tue Jan 07, 2020 12:43 pm

Here is the news about the two planes in Turkish:
http://www.kokpit.aero/iki-gunde-iki-kirim
321 looks like the front landing gear. Maybe landed on front gears too early, overweight.
Good thing, the winds are dying down by tomorrow, a much needed break.

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