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Re: Houston Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Jan 11, 2020 3:48 pm

braniff2hav wrote:
Air India is near broke ... I doubt the Houston skies will see any Air India jets anytime in the near future.

I do find it most curious UA cannot make money on a route IAH CDG when I presume CO did for years.

CO served it since the 80s, and then it took off when they joined Sky Team in the 00s. United immediately after the merger was a lot more conservative than United today and felt that CDG was better served through EWR, ORD, IAD, and eventually SFO which timing-wise replaced IAH-CDG. United today is a lot more aggressive and ambitious, I can see IAH-CDG returning in the not too distant future on a 787.

As another poster said, CDG is well served in Latin America, but UA has a very extensive network in Mexico which isnt anything to write off where the smaller cities don't have intercontinental service at all. The hard part is breaking the FF and corporate contract grip that AF has, Schlumberger being the largest by far, plus AFs African network.
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Re: Houston Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Jan 11, 2020 5:27 pm

braniff2hav wrote:
Air India is near broke ... I doubt the Houston skies will see any Air India jets anytime in the near future.

I do find it most curious UA cannot make money on a route IAH CDG when I presume CO did for years.

CO served it since the 80s, and then it took off when they joined Sky Team in the 00s. United immediately after the merger was a lot more conservative than United today and felt that CDG was better served through EWR, ORD, IAD, and eventually SFO which timing-wise replaced IAH-CDG. United today is a lot more aggressive and ambitious, I can see IAH-CDG returning in the not too distant future on a 787.

As another poster said, CDG is well served in Latin America, but UA has a very extensive network in Mexico which isnt anything to write off where the smaller cities don't have intercontinental service at all. The hard part is breaking the FF and corporate contract grip that AF has, Schlumberger being the largest by far, plus AFs African network.
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Re: Houston Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Jan 12, 2020 12:18 am

LAXdude1023 wrote:
Looks like YVR/YEG-IAH go to redeyes in March. Not what Id prefer but I gather they are trying to improve aircraft utilization and perhaps cater to Central America connections.


Makes me wonder why AC doesn't add YVR-IAH to compliment the current UA service. I thought AC was trying to build YVR as their trans pacific hub.
 
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Re: Houston Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Jan 12, 2020 7:10 pm

https://www.click2houston.com/news/loca ... -canceled/

I am guessing this is case of people claiming any big plane is a 747, but does anyone have any idea what was equipment subbed for this?
 
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Re: Houston Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Jan 13, 2020 4:55 pm

Rampageric77 wrote:
https://www.click2houston.com/news/local/2020/01/11/texans-fans-headed-to-kansas-city-get-exclusive-upgrade-after-flight-is-canceled/

I am guessing this is case of people claiming any big plane is a 747, but does anyone have any idea what was equipment subbed for this?



Yeah, Flightaware shows a UA 764 as a charter up there and back. I guess that any plane with 2 aisles counts as a 747 to the media.
 
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Re: Houston Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Jan 13, 2020 6:48 pm

IAHWorldflyer wrote:
Rampageric77 wrote:
https://www.click2houston.com/news/local/2020/01/11/texans-fans-headed-to-kansas-city-get-exclusive-upgrade-after-flight-is-canceled/

I am guessing this is case of people claiming any big plane is a 747, but does anyone have any idea what was equipment subbed for this?



Yeah, Flightaware shows a UA 764 as a charter up there and back. I guess that any plane with 2 aisles counts as a 747 to the media.



I saw the 764 but it didn’t match the Friday timing in the article. The 764 charter makes sense though given the game time.
 
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Re: Houston Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Jan 14, 2020 5:32 pm

ALLEGIANT ANNOUNCES LARGEST SERVICE EXPANSION IN COMPANY HISTORY WITH 3 NEW CITIES AND 44 NONSTOP ROUTES

New destinations Boston, Chicago and Houston headline this major expansion, with introductory fares on all new routes as low as $33*

LAS VEGAS, Jan. 14, 2020 — Allegiant (NASDAQ: ALGT) today announces 44 new nonstop routes, including 14 routes to three new cities: Chicago, Boston and Houston. To celebrate the largest expansion in Allegiant’s history, the company is offering one-way fares on the new routes as low as $33.*

This major addition to service is driven by Allegiant’s goal of connecting leisure travelers in underserved cities to popular destinations around the country. Most of the 44 new routes are non-competitive, with no other airline providing service between those airports.

“There is a lot of leisure demand for cities that are regional destinations, and this route expansion will address some of that need,” said Drew Wells, Allegiant vice president of planning and revenue. “Also, this growth is about Allegiant being true to our mission as a company. We’re increasing the number of low-cost, affordable travel options for people who may otherwise be priced out of air travel.”

The new seasonal routes to Nashville International Airport (BNA) include: BZN, FSD, ORF, PIT, PIA, TUL, FAR, FNT, GSO

The new seasonal routes to Boston Logan International Airport (BOS) include: GRR, AVL, TYS, VPS

The new seasonal routes from Chicago Midway International Airport (MDW) include: ABE, DSM, SAV, AVL, TYS, VPS

The new seasonal routes to Austin-Bergstrom International Airport (AUS) include: DSM, AVL, TYS, GRR

The new seasonal routes from Asheville Regional Airport (AVL) include: BOS, MDW, HOU, AUS

The new seasonal routes from Des Moines International Airport (DSM) include: MDW, MEM, AUS

The new seasonal routes from Gerald R. Ford Airport (GRR) include: LAX, BOS, AUS

The new seasonal routes from McGhee Tyson Airport (TYS) include: BOS, HOU, MDW, AUS, MYR

The new seasonal routes from William P. Hobby Airport (HOU) include: TYS, AVL, SAV, VPS

The new seasonal routes to Savannah International Airport (SAV) include: BLV, HOU, MDW, PGD, SWF

The new seasonal routes to Norfolk International Airport (ORF) include: PIT, LCK, BNA

The new seasonal routes to Pittsburgh International Airport (PIT) include: BNA, ORF, MEM

The new seasonal routes to Destin-Fort Walton Beach Airport (VPS) include: BOS, DAY, HOU, MDW, SWF

The new seasonal routes from Memphis International Airport (MEM) include: DSM, PBI, PIT, CVG

The new seasonal routes from Myrtle Beach International Airport (MYR) include: PGD, TYS, ELM

The new seasonal route from Louisville International Airport (SDF) to Charleston International Airport (CHS) begins May 22, 2020 with fares as low as $55.*

The new seasonal route from Orlando Sanford International Airport (SFB) to Albuquerque International Airport (ABQ) begins June 4, 2020 with fares as low as $66.*
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Re: Houston Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Jan 14, 2020 5:50 pm

drerx7 wrote:
The new seasonal routes from William P. Hobby Airport (HOU) include: TYS, AVL, SAV, VPS


G4 had also stated that it had plans to add nonstop international flights out of HOU in an application that G4 made to the DOT for a Certificate of Public Convenience and Necessity and for Exemption Authority (which can be found at https://www.regulations.gov/document?D=DOT-OST-2019-0067-0001).
 
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Re: Houston Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Jan 14, 2020 5:54 pm

There might be a need for at least 1 additional international gate at Hobby with G4 and WN both having plans to add more nonstop international flights out of Hobby Airport.

Is there enough room to accommodate the additional G4 and WN flights out of the 5 existing gates in the international concourse at Hobby, or will the international concourse at Hobby need to be expanded to accommodate the additional G4 and WN international flights out of HOU?
 
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Re: Houston Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Jan 14, 2020 6:53 pm

Nice to see a new carrier at Hobby. I keep thinking Sun Country would be a good fit with a daily flight to MSP that goes somewhere in Mexico and back.
 
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Re: Houston Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Jan 14, 2020 6:55 pm

COflyerBOS wrote:
Nice to see a new carrier at Hobby. I keep thinking Sun Country would be a good fit with a daily flight to MSP that goes somewhere in Mexico and back.


While I agree that SY re-adding HOU-MSP nonstop service is a possibility, WN adding HOU-MSP nonstop service is also a possibility with MSP being one of the largest markets that WN doesn't currently serve nonstop from HOU. MSP is also the largest WN station in the Midwest that doesn't already have nonstop service out of HOU on WN.
 
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Re: Houston Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Jan 14, 2020 7:32 pm

YYZORD wrote:
LAXdude1023 wrote:
Looks like YVR/YEG-IAH go to redeyes in March. Not what Id prefer but I gather they are trying to improve aircraft utilization and perhaps cater to Central America connections.


Makes me wonder why AC doesn't add YVR-IAH to compliment the current UA service. I thought AC was trying to build YVR as their trans pacific hub.


dont forget, any scheduling is done by UA and AC together, so its solely based on what the two airlines decide to schedule vs. AC doing so on their own.
 
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Re: Houston Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Jan 14, 2020 9:11 pm

HOU TYS should be interesting. what would be driving this demand? Cruise traffic at Galveston?
 
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Re: Houston Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Jan 14, 2020 10:27 pm

I really think IAH needs a couple of more European and Asian destinations (at least on seasonal basis). Houston is not only a giant corporate city, but has a substantial diverse population and it is very much growing.
I wouldn't be surprised if Turkish increase their frequency (maybe offering competitive connections to sub-continent + MENA). TAP is definitely plausible for connecting LATAM via IAH from the Iberian peninsula as an alternative to MAI for the star alliance.
In any case, the improvements at IAH are much over due and certainly a welcome change.
 
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Re: Houston Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Jan 14, 2020 10:29 pm

CALMSP wrote:
YYZORD wrote:
LAXdude1023 wrote:
Looks like YVR/YEG-IAH go to redeyes in March. Not what Id prefer but I gather they are trying to improve aircraft utilization and perhaps cater to Central America connections.


Makes me wonder why AC doesn't add YVR-IAH to compliment the current UA service. I thought AC was trying to build YVR as their trans pacific hub.


dont forget, any scheduling is done by UA and AC together, so its solely based on what the two airlines decide to schedule vs. AC doing so on their own.


Is it? I didn’t think AC and UA had a JV on transborder?
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Re: Houston Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Jan 14, 2020 10:38 pm

b727fan wrote:
I really think IAH needs a couple of more European and Asian destinations (at least on seasonal basis). Houston is not only a giant corporate city, but has a substantial diverse population and it is very much growing.
I wouldn't be surprised if Turkish increase their frequency (maybe offering competitive connections to sub-continent + MENA). TAP is definitely plausible for connecting LATAM via IAH from the Iberian peninsula as an alternative to MAI for the star alliance.
In any case, the improvements at IAH are much over due and certainly a welcome change.


Houston is very diverse and it is a giant corporate city but I don’t know that it leads to more service at this point.
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Re: Houston Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Jan 14, 2020 11:02 pm

I think TYS is more about Houstonians escaping summer heat and heading to the Smoky Mountains. Similar to AVL.
 
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Re: Houston Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 15, 2020 12:56 am

LAXdude1023 wrote:

Is it? I didn’t think AC and UA had a JV on transborder?


IIRC they do, but there are a few carve-outs one in particular was Calgary-Houston so AC and UA technically compete on that route, again IIRC.
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