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FlyingHonu001
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2020

Sun Jun 14, 2020 10:14 am

CRJ200flyer wrote:
rjbesikof wrote:
[photoid][/photoid]
CRJ200flyer wrote:
For July:
DTW-CDG A359 (Su, M, W, F)
DTW-AMS A359........


What about the other hubs?


Here’s what I saw for

JFK in July:
JFK-AMS A333 (Daily)
JFK-CDG A333 (Daily)
JFK-TLV A333 (Su, W, F, Sa)

SEA in July:
SEA-ICN A339 (M, W, F, Sa)
SEA-HND A339 (Su, Tu, Th, F)

ATL in July:
ATL-AMS A333 (Su x2, M, Tu x2, W, Th x2, F, Sa x2)
ATL-FRA A333 (Tu, Th, Sa)
ATL-LOS A332 (Tu, Th, Sa)
ATL-LHR A333 (Su, M, W, F)
ATL-CDG A333 (Daily)
ATL-ICN 772 (Su, M, Th)

DTW in July:
DTW-CDG A359 (Su, M, W, F)
DTW-AMS A359 (Daily)
DTW-LHR 76W (Tu, Th, Sa)
DTW-HND A359 (M, W, Sa)
DTW-ICN A359 (Daily)

DTW-ORD 76W (DL17 - Su, M, W, F)

Feel free to add to this list, I’m going cross eyed at this point.


Source??
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2020

Sun Jun 14, 2020 11:01 am

Delta may default on some of its debt
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/10/business ... index.html
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2020

Sun Jun 14, 2020 12:29 pm

KFTG wrote:
Delta may default on some of its debt
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/10/business ... index.html


That's a good example of a common problem: Carriers can brag about having $XX in liquidity but it's not like they can spend it down to zero before Treasury functions (the companies' treasury functions, not the U.S. Treasury) and operating issues impede the ability to function normally. From the linked article by KFTG:

The loan term in question involves the company's "fixed charge coverage ratio," a measure of its ability to pay fixed expenses, such as aircraft leases, airport rents and other fixed costs, including debt payments, rather than variable expenses such as salaries, benefits and fuel costs. The company's ratio could be too low to comply with the current language in the debt agreements, even if it has the cash to make the payment.
 
CRJ200flyer
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2020

Sun Jun 14, 2020 1:15 pm

FlyingHonu001 wrote:
CRJ200flyer wrote:
rjbesikof wrote:
[photoid][/photoid]

What about the other hubs?


Here’s what I saw for

JFK in July:
JFK-AMS A333 (Daily)
JFK-CDG A333 (Daily)
JFK-TLV A333 (Su, W, F, Sa)

SEA in July:
SEA-ICN A339 (M, W, F, Sa)
SEA-.....


Source??


Looking up the flight listings individually over the dates of July 5 to July 11.
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2020

Sun Jun 14, 2020 3:09 pm

panamair wrote:
panamair wrote:
CRJ200flyer wrote:

Here’s what I saw for

JFK in July:
JFK-AMS A333 (Daily)
JFK-CDG A333 (Daily)
JFK-TLV A333 (Su, W, F, Sa)

Feel free to add to this list, I’m going cross eyed at this point.


JFK also has

JFK-ATH 763ER (Mo Th Fr Sa) - from 16 July on
JFK-LIS 763ER (Mo Th Fr Sa) - from 16 July on
JFK-ACC 763ER (Mo Th Fr Su)


Correcting my own post here - JFK-ATH has been upgauged to the A333 from the 76W apparently with this weekend's update (also both JFK-AMS and JFK-CDG have gone from the 764 to the A333). So in total now JFK in July appears to have:

JFK-AMS A333 (Daily)
JFK-CDG A333 (Daily)
JFK-TLV A333 (We Fr Sa Su)
JFK-ATH A333 (Mo Th Fr Sa) - from 16 July
JFK-LIS 76W (Mo Th Fr Sa) - from 16 July
JFK-ACC 76W (Mo Th Fr Su)


In addition, SEA-AMS daily on the A333 seems to have been added back from the 16 July.


Thank you for those additions!

So adding your updates to the list we now have:

JFK in July:
JFK-AMS A333 (Daily)
JFK-CDG A333 (Daily)
JFK-TLV A333 (Su, W, F, Sa)
JFK-ATH A333 (M, Th, F, Sa) - from July 16
JFK-LIS 76W (M, Th, F, Sa) - from July 16
JFK-ACC 76W (Su, M, Th, F)

SEA in July:
SEA-ICN A339 (M, W, F, Sa)
SEA-HND A339 (Su, Tu, Th, F)
SEA-AMS A333 (Daily) - from July 16

ATL in July:
ATL-AMS A333 (Su x2, M, Tu x2, W, Th x2, F, Sa x2)
ATL-FRA A333 (Tu, Th, Sa)
ATL-LOS A332 (Tu, Th, Sa)
ATL-LHR A333 (Su, M, W, F)
ATL-CDG A333 (Daily)
ATL-ICN 772 (Su, M, Th)

DTW in July:
DTW-CDG A359 (Su, M, W, F)
DTW-AMS A359 (Daily)
DTW-LHR 76W (Tu, Th, Sa)
DTW-HND A359 (M, W, Sa)
DTW-ICN A359 (Daily)

DTW-ORD 76W (DL17 - Su, M, W, F)

(Again note this is not an official total list. Just gathered from looking through flight listings in July and pretending to be a paying passenger.)
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2020

Sun Jun 14, 2020 8:21 pm

CRJ200flyer wrote:
panamair wrote:
panamair wrote:

JFK also has

JFK-ATH 763ER (Mo Th Fr Sa) - from 16 July on
JFK-LIS 763ER (Mo Th Fr Sa) - from 16 July on
JFK-ACC 763ER (Mo Th Fr Su)


Correcting my own post here - JFK-ATH has been upgauged to the A333 from the 76W apparently with this weekend's update (also both JFK-AMS and JFK-CDG have gone from the 764 to the A333). So in total now JFK in July appears to have:

JFK-AMS A333 (Daily)
JFK-CDG A333 (Daily)
JFK-TLV A333 (We Fr Sa Su)
JFK-ATH A333 (Mo Th Fr Sa) - from 16 July
JFK-LIS 76W (Mo Th Fr Sa) - from 16 July
JFK-ACC 76W (Mo Th Fr Su)


In addition, SEA-AMS daily on the A333 seems to have been added back from the 16 July.


Thank you for those additions!

So adding your updates to the list we now have:

JFK in July:
JFK-AMS A333 (Daily)
JFK-CDG A333 (Daily)
JFK-TLV A333 (Su, W, F, Sa)
JFK-ATH A333 (M, Th, F, Sa) - from July 16
JFK-LIS 76W (M, Th, F, Sa) - from July 16
JFK-ACC 76W (Su, M, Th, F)

SEA in July:
SEA-ICN A339 (M, W, F, Sa)
SEA-HND A339 (Su, Tu, Th, F)
SEA-AMS A333 (Daily) - from July 16

ATL in July:
ATL-AMS A333 (Su x2, M, Tu x2, W, Th x2, F, Sa x2)
ATL-FRA A333 (Tu, Th, Sa)
ATL-LOS A332 (Tu, Th, Sa)
ATL-LHR A333 (Su, M, W, F)
ATL-CDG A333 (Daily)
ATL-ICN 772 (Su, M, Th)

DTW in July:
DTW-CDG A359 (Su, M, W, F)
DTW-AMS A359 (Daily)
DTW-LHR 76W (Tu, Th, Sa)
DTW-HND A359 (M, W, Sa)
DTW-ICN A359 (Daily)

DTW-ORD 76W (DL17 - Su, M, W, F)

(Again note this is not an official total list. Just gathered from looking through flight listings in July and pretending to be a paying passenger.)


Ok. Thank you. Looks like Delta is reinstating TPAC from ATL with ICN and SEA will have TATL with AMS in late July.
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2020

Sun Jun 14, 2020 8:33 pm

CRJ200flyer wrote:
panamair wrote:
panamair wrote:

JFK also has

JFK-ATH 763ER (Mo Th Fr Sa) - from 16 July on
JFK-LIS 763ER (Mo Th Fr Sa) - from 16 July on
JFK-ACC 763ER (Mo Th Fr Su)


Correcting my own post here - JFK-ATH has been upgauged to the A333 from the 76W apparently with this weekend's update (also both JFK-AMS and JFK-CDG have gone from the 764 to the A333). So in total now JFK in July appears to have:

JFK-AMS A333 (Daily)
JFK-CDG A333 (Daily)
JFK-TLV A333 (We Fr Sa Su)
JFK-ATH A333 (Mo Th Fr Sa) - from 16 July
JFK-LIS 76W (Mo Th Fr Sa) - from 16 July
JFK-ACC 76W (Mo Th Fr Su)


In addition, SEA-AMS daily on the A333 seems to have been added back from the 16 July.


Thank you for those additions!

So adding your updates to the list we now have:

JFK in July:
JFK-AMS A333 (Daily)
JFK-CDG A333 (Daily)
JFK-TLV A333 (Su, W, F, Sa)
JFK-ATH A333 (M, Th, F, Sa) - from July 16
JFK-LIS 76W (M, Th, F, Sa) - from July 16
JFK-ACC 76W (Su, M, Th, F)

SEA in July:
SEA-ICN A339 (M, W, F, Sa)
SEA-HND A339 (Su, Tu, Th, F)
SEA-AMS A333 (Daily) - from July 16

ATL in July:
ATL-AMS A333 (Su x2, M, Tu x2, W, Th x2, F, Sa x2)
ATL-FRA A333 (Tu, Th, Sa)
ATL-LOS A332 (Tu, Th, Sa)
ATL-LHR A333 (Su, M, W, F)
ATL-CDG A333 (Daily)
ATL-ICN 772 (Su, M, Th)

DTW in July:
DTW-CDG A359 (Su, M, W, F)
DTW-AMS A359 (Daily)
DTW-LHR 76W (Tu, Th, Sa)
DTW-HND A359 (M, W, Sa)
DTW-ICN A359 (Daily)

DTW-ORD 76W (DL17 - Su, M, W, F)

(Again note this is not an official total list. Just gathered from looking through flight listings in July and pretending to be a paying passenger.)


Thank you for putting this together. Interesting to see the A359s are back on the DTW TATL routes again. Are the DL A359s flying anywhere else currently? I will be curious to see how soon those 359 pilot bases get up and running in LAX and ATL.
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2020

Sun Jun 14, 2020 10:48 pm

CRJ200flyer wrote:
panamair wrote:
panamair wrote:

JFK also has

JFK-ATH 763ER (Mo Th Fr Sa) - from 16 July on
JFK-LIS 763ER (Mo Th Fr Sa) - from 16 July on
JFK-ACC 763ER (Mo Th Fr Su)


Correcting my own post here - JFK-ATH has been upgauged to the A333 from the 76W apparently with this weekend's update (also both JFK-AMS and JFK-CDG have gone from the 764 to the A333). So in total now JFK in July appears to have:

JFK-AMS A333 (Daily)
JFK-CDG A333 (Daily)
JFK-TLV A333 (We Fr Sa Su)
JFK-ATH A333 (Mo Th Fr Sa) - from 16 July
JFK-LIS 76W (Mo Th Fr Sa) - from 16 July
JFK-ACC 76W (Mo Th Fr Su)


In addition, SEA-AMS daily on the A333 seems to have been added back from the 16 July.


Thank you for those additions!

So adding your updates to the list we now have:

JFK in July:
JFK-AMS A333 (Daily)
JFK-CDG A333 (Daily)
JFK-TLV A333 (Su, W, F, Sa)
JFK-ATH A333 (M, Th, F, Sa) - from July 16
JFK-LIS 76W (M, Th, F, Sa) - from July 16
JFK-ACC 76W (Su, M, Th, F)

SEA in July:
SEA-ICN A339 (M, W, F, Sa)
SEA-HND A339 (Su, Tu, Th, F)
SEA-AMS A333 (Daily) - from July 16

ATL in July:
ATL-AMS A333 (Su x2, M, Tu x2, W, Th x2, F, Sa x2)
ATL-FRA A333 (Tu, Th, Sa)
ATL-LOS A332 (Tu, Th, Sa)
ATL-LHR A333 (Su, M, W, F)
ATL-CDG A333 (Daily)
ATL-ICN 772 (Su, M, Th)

DTW in July:
DTW-CDG A359 (Su, M, W, F)
DTW-AMS A359 (Daily)
DTW-LHR 76W (Tu, Th, Sa)
DTW-HND A359 (M, W, Sa)
DTW-ICN A359 (Daily)

DTW-ORD 76W (DL17 - Su, M, W, F)

(Again note this is not an official total list. Just gathered from looking through flight listings in July and pretending to be a paying passenger.)


Why are SLC and MSP not included? Is DL not running international flights from either of these airports - is it due to the screening restrictions?

Jeremy
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2020

Sun Jun 14, 2020 11:06 pm

i wish the entry and exit requirements would get sorted, this is a great time to be flying beautiful brand new A359's across the Atlantic! Whats the deal with that 767 between DTW-ORD? is it related to freight because last time i was in DTW, a week ago, there was that same flight number listed as inbound LHR outbound ORD. Not normal but lots of freight moving over ORD and we all know sometimes things end up on FIDS that shouldnt
I haven't been everywhere, but it's on my list!
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2020

Sun Jun 14, 2020 11:24 pm

SESGDL wrote:
CRJ200flyer wrote:
panamair wrote:

Correcting my own post here - JFK-ATH has been upgauged to the A333 from the 76W apparently with this weekend's update (also both JFK-AMS and JFK-CDG have gone from the 764 to the A333). So in total now JFK in July appears to have:

JFK-AMS A333 (Daily)
JFK-CDG A333 (Daily)
JFK-TLV A333 (We Fr Sa Su)
JFK-ATH A333 (Mo Th Fr Sa) - from 16 July
JFK-LIS 76W (Mo Th Fr Sa) - from 16 July
JFK-ACC 76W (Mo Th Fr Su)


In addition, SEA-AMS daily on the A333 seems to have been added back from the 16 July.


Thank you for those additions!

So adding your updates to the list we now have:

JFK in July:
JFK-AMS A333 (Daily)
JFK-CDG A333 (Daily)
JFK-TLV A333 (Su, W, F, Sa)
JFK-ATH A333 (M, Th, F, Sa) - from July 16
JFK-LIS 76W (M, Th, F, Sa) - from July 16
JFK-ACC 76W (Su, M, Th, F)

SEA in July:
SEA-ICN A339 (M, W, F, Sa)
SEA-HND A339 (Su, Tu, Th, F)
SEA-AMS A333 (Daily) - from July 16

ATL in July:
ATL-AMS A333 (Su x2, M, Tu x2, W, Th x2, F, Sa x2)
ATL-FRA A333 (Tu, Th, Sa)
ATL-LOS A332 (Tu, Th, Sa)
ATL-LHR A333 (Su, M, W, F)
ATL-CDG A333 (Daily)
ATL-ICN 772 (Su, M, Th)

DTW in July:
DTW-CDG A359 (Su, M, W, F)
DTW-AMS A359 (Daily)
DTW-LHR 76W (Tu, Th, Sa)
DTW-HND A359 (M, W, Sa)
DTW-ICN A359 (Daily)

DTW-ORD 76W (DL17 - Su, M, W, F)

(Again note this is not an official total list. Just gathered from looking through flight listings in July and pretending to be a paying passenger.)


Why are SLC and MSP not included? Is DL not running international flights from either of these airports - is it due to the screening restrictions?

Jeremy


SLC and MSP are not government approved airports (can take Europe, China, and Brazil flights)
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2020

Sun Jun 14, 2020 11:27 pm

NWADTWE16 wrote:
i wish the entry and exit requirements would get sorted, this is a great time to be flying beautiful brand new A359's across the Atlantic! Whats the deal with that 767 between DTW-ORD? is it related to freight because last time i was in DTW, a week ago, there was that same flight number listed as inbound LHR outbound ORD. Not normal but lots of freight moving over ORD and we all know sometimes things end up on FIDS that shouldnt


Yes it is. Lots of freight and mail ex-ORD.
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2020

Sun Jun 14, 2020 11:42 pm

[twoid][threeid][/threeid][/twoid]
jadamczyk wrote:
Looks like Delta already cancelled DTW-Honolulu. Not loaded for this summer. I had a feeling it wouldn't last long.

Isn't it more a seasonal? Seems to come and go.
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2020

Mon Jun 15, 2020 12:06 am

brilondon wrote:
[twoid][threeid][/threeid][/twoid]
jadamczyk wrote:
Looks like Delta already cancelled DTW-Honolulu. Not loaded for this summer. I had a feeling it wouldn't last long.

Isn't it more a seasonal? Seems to come and go.


DTW-HNL is back on the schedule in December 2020, around Christmas time. Obviously that could change, but it is for sale currently.
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2020

Mon Jun 15, 2020 1:35 am

kavok wrote:
brilondon wrote:
[twoid][threeid][/threeid][/twoid]
jadamczyk wrote:
Looks like Delta already cancelled DTW-Honolulu. Not loaded for this summer. I had a feeling it wouldn't last long.

Isn't it more a seasonal? Seems to come and go.


DTW-HNL is back on the schedule in December 2020, around Christmas time. Obviously that could change, but it is for sale currently.


All contingent on the current 14-day quarantine for out-of-state travelers inbound to Hawai'i. It was set to expire 6/30...then got extended to 7/31...next extension to ??? Depends on the cases in Hawai'i and also the mainland, and how much risk Governor Ige wants to take. Time will tell.
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2020

Mon Jun 15, 2020 3:58 am

Delta updates its schedule to show the A359 on ATL-JNB-ATL from March 28, 2021.

CPT tag-on isn't loaded yet.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-14jun20/
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2020

Mon Jun 15, 2020 6:11 am

Ishrion wrote:
Delta updates its schedule to show the A359 on ATL-JNB-ATL from March 28, 2021.

CPT tag-on isn't loaded yet.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-14jun20/

In that case, are they keeping some of the 777s around until the spring?
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2020

Mon Jun 15, 2020 6:15 am

NateGreat wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
Delta updates its schedule to show the A359 on ATL-JNB-ATL from March 28, 2021.

CPT tag-on isn't loaded yet.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-14jun20/

In that case, are they keeping some of the 777s around until the spring?


Schedule isn’t finalized, but I thought they applied to launch the CPT tag-on with the A350 by October?
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2020

Mon Jun 15, 2020 11:19 am

Ishrion wrote:
Delta updates its schedule to show the A359 on ATL-JNB-ATL from March 28, 2021.

CPT tag-on isn't loaded yet.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-14jun20/


All three LAX long-hauls (SYD, PVG, HND) as well as ATL-PVG, all currently operated by the 777s, have also been updated to the A359 starting 1/1/21.
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2020

Mon Jun 15, 2020 2:11 pm

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/coronav ... story.html

Delta is positioning MCO to be its busiest non-hub airport post-covid.

MCO was already the largest seat wise I believe, but this sounds like it would also mean departures as well
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2020

Mon Jun 15, 2020 7:49 pm

Delta announced July schedule will be down 65% for domestic and 75% for international after adding almost 1000 flights

https://news.delta.com/more-flights-ser ... y-measures

Flights to restart not previously mentioned include 4x weekly BOS-AMS and 1x weekly LAX-SYD
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2020

Mon Jun 15, 2020 8:13 pm

panamair wrote:
Delta announced July schedule will be down 65% for domestic and 75% for international after adding almost 1000 flights

https://news.delta.com/more-flights-ser ... y-measures

Flights to restart not previously mentioned include 4x weekly BOS-AMS and 1x weekly LAX-SYD


From July 1st, KLM will operate BOS-AMS 3x weekly, so DL/KL will offer a daily BOS-AMS service, much like DL's daily SEA-AMS.
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2020

Thu Jun 18, 2020 8:23 am

Delta has been adjusting some more TATL schedules for August and beyond now:

Pulled from August and rolled forward to a Sept 1 restart date:
JFK-FRA
JFK-ZRH
JFK-BRU

Pulled from August and for rest of the S20 schedule:
ATL-DUS
ATL-STR
ATL-BRU
DTW-FRA
DTW-MUC
BOS-DUB

Adjustments in August:
JFK-MAD from daily to 4x weekly (the other 3x weekly will be ATL-MAD)
JFK-BCN from daily to 4x weekly (the other 3x weekly will be ATL-BCN)
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2020

Thu Jun 18, 2020 10:55 am

Midwestindy wrote:
https://www.orlandosentinel.com/coronavirus/jobs-economy/os-ne-orlando-airport-spirit-airline-rebound-20200615-qbydxptlwne5zl5uddbve7qfoq-story.html

Delta is positioning MCO to be its busiest non-hub airport post-covid.

MCO was already the largest seat wise I believe, but this sounds like it would also mean departures as well



For now. 2000-3000 new cases a day in Florida make this a possible disaster over the summer.

The Florida escape that has been ongoing since May 1 may dry up.

Stay tuned
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2020

Sun Jun 21, 2020 2:19 pm

Cape Town is now available for booking

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... cape-town/
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2020

Mon Jun 22, 2020 3:34 pm

Delta will resume China on June 25 with a 2x weekly SEA-ICN-PVG flight.

From July 1, they'll operate 1x SEA-ICN-PVG and 1x DTW-ICN-PVG.

https://news.delta.com/delta-resume-fli ... na-june-25
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2020

Mon Jun 22, 2020 6:11 pm

Ishrion wrote:
Delta will resume China on June 25 with a 2x weekly SEA-ICN-PVG flight.

From July 1, they'll operate 1x SEA-ICN-PVG and 1x DTW-ICN-PVG.

https://news.delta.com/delta-resume-fli ... na-june-25


And of course, given the extremely limited frequencies, pent-up demand, and seating caps, the flights are completely full right now through the end of August on the outbound to PVG from both SEA and DTW....
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2020

Mon Jun 22, 2020 6:14 pm

panamair wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
Delta will resume China on June 25 with a 2x weekly SEA-ICN-PVG flight.

From July 1, they'll operate 1x SEA-ICN-PVG and 1x DTW-ICN-PVG.

https://news.delta.com/delta-resume-fli ... na-june-25


And of course, given the extremely limited frequencies, pent-up demand, and seating caps, the flights are completely full right now through the end of August on the outbound to PVG from both SEA and DTW....


Question... who is traveling on these flights? Citizens returning home? Are there actually that many to completely fill the schedule for weeks?
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2020

Mon Jun 22, 2020 6:28 pm

Ishrion wrote:
panamair wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
Delta will resume China on June 25 with a 2x weekly SEA-ICN-PVG flight.

From July 1, they'll operate 1x SEA-ICN-PVG and 1x DTW-ICN-PVG.

https://news.delta.com/delta-resume-fli ... na-june-25


And of course, given the extremely limited frequencies, pent-up demand, and seating caps, the flights are completely full right now through the end of August on the outbound to PVG from both SEA and DTW....


Question... who is traveling on these flights? Citizens returning home? Are there actually that many to completely fill the schedule for weeks?


One source of tremendous demand is Chinese students trying to get back to their families. Chinese students are the largest group of international students enrolled in US higher education institutions (around 370,000 in 2018 for example).
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2020

Tue Jun 23, 2020 3:49 am

Ishrion wrote:
Delta updates its schedule to show the A359 on ATL-JNB-ATL from March 28, 2021.

CPT tag-on isn't loaded yet.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-14jun20/



How many frames will be used to operate this routing?
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2020

Tue Jun 23, 2020 5:00 am

PilotJAY16 wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
Delta updates its schedule to show the A359 on ATL-JNB-ATL from March 28, 2021.

CPT tag-on isn't loaded yet.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-14jun20/



How many frames will be used to operate this routing?


It should take two, and could be paired with an additional long haul route like ATL-HND for an efficient 3-aircraft rotation.
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2020

Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:03 am

There is enough room at DAL (Dallas Love Field) to accommodate additional DL nonstop routes such as DAL-DTW/LGA/SLC with the cuts that WN has made at DAL as a result of the COVID-19 pandemic.

WN is also currently only operating 134 daily departures out of DAL, compared to the 195 daily departures that it was operating out of DAL in the January 2019 through March 2020 time period.

DL also does have room at DFW to add more flights with DL having reduced frequencies on DFW-ATL/CVG/LAX nonstop flights in its current flight schedule.

DL and WN could also seek to have the City of Dallas v. Delta Air Lines et al lawsuit dismissed with the extra capacity that is available at DAL with the frequency reductions that WN has made on many of its nonstop routes out of DAL as a result of the COVID-19 pandemic.

Will the City of Dallas and Southwest Airlines be willing to allow DL to share additional gates at DAL with WN that were normally in use only by WN prior to the COVID-19 pandemic with the cuts that WN has made at DAL?

Will DL take advantage of the extra capacity that is available at DAL due to COVID-19-related cuts made by WN at DAL, or will DL add more flights out of DFW once the COVID-19 pandemic is over?
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2020

Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:16 am

jplatts wrote:
There is enough room at DAL (Dallas Love Field) to accommodate additional DL nonstop routes such as DAL-DTW/LGA/SLC with the cuts that WN has made at DAL as a result of the COVID-19 pandemic.

WN is also currently only operating 134 daily departures out of DAL, compared to the 195 daily departures that it was operating out of DAL in the January 2019 through March 2020 time period.

DL also does have room at DFW to add more flights with DL having reduced frequencies on DFW-ATL/CVG/LAX nonstop flights in its current flight schedule.

DL and WN could also seek to have the City of Dallas v. Delta Air Lines et al lawsuit dismissed with the extra capacity that is available at DAL with the frequency reductions that WN has made on many of its nonstop routes out of DAL as a result of the COVID-19 pandemic.

Will the City of Dallas and Southwest Airlines be willing to allow DL to share additional gates at DAL with WN that were normally in use only by WN prior to the COVID-19 pandemic with the cuts that WN has made at DAL?

Will DL take advantage of the extra capacity that is available at DAL due to COVID-19-related cuts made by WN at DAL, or will DL add more flights out of DFW once the COVID-19 pandemic is over?


Interesting.
Network wise DL has been pretty quiet as of late, and is letting AA make all of the big moves. Though this is a sharp observation in regards to DAL, and arguably is a low hanging fruit opportunity with minimal risk and potentially high return for DL. If nothing else, it probably could help their lawsuit case if they are being denied gate usage to unused gates.
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2020

Sat Jul 18, 2020 3:11 am

kavok wrote:
Interesting.
Network wise DL has been pretty quiet as of late, and is letting AA make all of the big moves. Though this is a sharp observation in regards to DAL, and arguably is a low hanging fruit opportunity with minimal risk and potentially high return for DL. If nothing else, it probably could help their lawsuit case if they are being denied gate usage to unused gates.


There is a market for LGA-DAL nonstop service on DL, even with WN already serving DAL nonstop from LGA, with there being some business travel between NYC and Downtown Dallas due to companies in the banking, accounting, and auditing industries with offices in both Manhattan and Downtown Dallas such as Chase Bank, Bank of America, KPMG, PWC, Deloitte, and Ernst & Young.

LGA can also likely support nonstop service to DAL on more than just WN with VX and AS having previously served DAL nonstop from LGA. DL is also more likely to be successful on LGA-DAL than AS was due to DL having a much bigger FF base in the NYC market.

There is also a market for DTW-DAL nonstop service on DL, even with WN having plans to resume DTW-DAL nonstop service, due to some business travel between Greater Detroit and Downtown Dallas with Comerica Bank having its headquarters in Downtown Dallas, with Comerica Bank having its former headquarters in Detroit, and with Comerica Bank still having many branches in the Detroit area.

There are also some business travelers in both the Detroit and NYC markets who would choose to fly into DAL instead of DFW if DL adds DAL-DTW/LGA nonstop service with DAL being closer to Downtown Dallas than DFW is.
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2020

Sat Jul 18, 2020 3:53 pm

DL tentatively is adding back more BOS & NYC flying in September

Using September 18
BOS ~65 departures (ORD, CVG, CLE, CMH, IND, PHL, e.t.c return), likely betting on some business travel coming back
JFK~95 departures, likely down to 80-85 as Euro cuts get pushed further out
LAX ~90 departures
LGA ~90 departures
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2020

Sat Jul 18, 2020 4:00 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
DL tentatively is adding back more BOS & NYC flying in September

Using September 18
BOS ~65 departures (ORD, CVG, CLE, CMH, IND, PHL, e.t.c return), likely betting on some business travel coming back
JFK~95 departures, likely down to 80-85 as Euro cuts get pushed further out
LAX ~90 departures
LGA ~90 departures


Was the schedule updated last night?
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2020

Sat Jul 18, 2020 4:14 pm

Nicknuzzii wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
DL tentatively is adding back more BOS & NYC flying in September

Using September 18
BOS ~65 departures (ORD, CVG, CLE, CMH, IND, PHL, e.t.c return), likely betting on some business travel coming back
JFK~95 departures, likely down to 80-85 as Euro cuts get pushed further out
LAX ~90 departures
LGA ~90 departures


Was the schedule updated last night?


Looks like it’s been updated thru 9/30 now
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2020

Sat Jul 18, 2020 4:48 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
LGA ~90 departures


Looks like LGA is getting back nonstops to MKE, MEM, MSY, CHS, ORF and SDF. Also reductions to Florida, and frequency increases for CLE, CMH, CVG, IND, RIC, ORD, DFW, IAH and CLT.

JFK appears to get DCA, BNA and JAX nonstops back, with some frequency reductions to Florida as well.
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2020

Sat Jul 18, 2020 5:50 pm

panamair wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
LGA ~90 departures


Looks like LGA is getting back nonstops to MKE, MEM, MSY, CHS, ORF and SDF. Also reductions to Florida, and frequency increases for CLE, CMH, CVG, IND, RIC, ORD, DFW, IAH and CLT.

JFK appears to get DCA, BNA and JAX nonstops back, with some frequency reductions to Florida as well.


Yep looks like Florida was chopped up for August & September

SEA faired well, looks like they are at ~105 (BNA & AUS added back)
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2020

Sat Jul 18, 2020 5:52 pm

Based on the timing of this and Ed Bastian's previous comments that they are unlikely to add more routes until end of the year, I think this could very well be retaliation for the AA/B6 Partnership.

They haven't seem to catch on to JetBlue's focus shifting from Boston to New York.
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2020

Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:37 pm

tphuang wrote:
Based on the timing of this and Ed Bastian's previous comments that they are unlikely to add more routes until end of the year, I think this could very well be retaliation for the AA/B6 Partnership.

They haven't seem to catch on to JetBlue's focus shifting from Boston to New York.


It absolutely is retaliation. I still wonder if there will be more flights coming in October and onwards, or if the flight numbers mentioned will stay about the same into the fall.
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2020

Sat Jul 18, 2020 8:44 pm

As for international routes, DL is already stepping up its TATL game concerning its AMS hub in a relative short timespan

Two weeks ago, on average it was about 3 flights weekly.
As per this weekend we see that going up to at least 6, with the relaunch of DL142 (SEA) and DL258 (BOS)

From next month August might going up to about 8 with more increases are planned in conjunction with KL
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2020

Sat Jul 18, 2020 9:17 pm

Has any indication been given yet what will replace the stations who had 737-700 service such as Burbank, Key West, Tegucigalpa and Orange County?
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2020

Sat Jul 18, 2020 9:26 pm

phllax wrote:
Has any indication been given yet what will replace the stations who had 737-700 service such as Burbank, Key West, Tegucigalpa and Orange County?

I am guessing it would be an A319, they are quite spritely performers, if more A220's come to ATL, the 221 can do BUR, EYW, and SNA. And I guess well see about hot and high, for the 319 vs the 223.
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2020

Sat Jul 18, 2020 9:58 pm

FlyingHonu001 wrote:
As for international routes, DL is already stepping up its TATL game concerning its AMS hub in a relative short timespan

Two weeks ago, on average it was about 3 flights weekly.
As per this weekend we see that going up to at least 6, with the relaunch of DL142 (SEA) and DL258 (BOS)

From next month August might going up to about 8 with more increases are planned in conjunction with KL
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I don't know how accurate that is as MSP can still not receive international arrivals.
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2020

Sun Jul 19, 2020 2:30 am

Delta will still have plans to launch the SEA-LHR route?
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2020

Sun Jul 19, 2020 8:28 pm

tjerome wrote:
tphuang wrote:
Based on the timing of this and Ed Bastian's previous comments that they are unlikely to add more routes until end of the year, I think this could very well be retaliation for the AA/B6 Partnership.

They haven't seem to catch on to JetBlue's focus shifting from Boston to New York.


It absolutely is retaliation. I still wonder if there will be more flights coming in October and onwards, or if the flight numbers mentioned will stay about the same into the fall.


...or maybe they see demand on these routes-DL was and is a huge carrier in the market. DL didn’t add a ton of flights (SEA will still have more than either NY airport). Not everything is a retaliatory move geez.
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2020

Sat Jul 25, 2020 1:28 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
DL tentatively is adding back more BOS & NYC flying in September

Using September 18
BOS ~65 departures (ORD, CVG, CLE, CMH, IND, PHL, e.t.c return), likely betting on some business travel coming back
JFK~95 departures, likely down to 80-85 as Euro cuts get pushed further out
LAX ~90 departures
LGA ~90 departures


Looks like DL backed off of this plan, most of the September 14 restarts were pushed out
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2020

Sat Jul 25, 2020 5:06 pm

DL has indefinitely dropped TGU as of today. Working with an OA to help with a reprotection agreement. Low demand and government restrictions are the named reasons. Also wonder if the retirement of the 737-700 had to do with it too.
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2020

Mon Jul 27, 2020 1:15 am

What Intl routes is Delta reinstating in August?
I know Atlanta and LAX to HND. Any others?
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2020

Mon Jul 27, 2020 1:55 am

Midwestindy wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
DL tentatively is adding back more BOS & NYC flying in September

Using September 18
BOS ~65 departures (ORD, CVG, CLE, CMH, IND, PHL, e.t.c return), likely betting on some business travel coming back
JFK~95 departures, likely down to 80-85 as Euro cuts get pushed further out
LAX ~90 departures
LGA ~90 departures


Looks like DL backed off of this plan, most of the September 14 restarts were pushed out


That makes sense.

Loads are very light out of NYC

This isnt the time for retaliation. You dont retaliate against the neighbor you dont like when you are both hunkering down for a days-long storm.
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