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Re: Delta to add SEA-ONT

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Delta to start IND-MEM?

Fri Aug 28, 2020 10:30 pm

Call me crazy, but Delta updated its route map today and a new route popped up....IND-MEM....1x daily on an E175

Looks like it will be loaded to start October 1 but only runs for a month

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Re: Delta to start IND-MEM?

Fri Aug 28, 2020 11:30 pm

Well they are freight hubs... maybe crews need to move
 
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Re: Delta to start IND-MEM?

Fri Aug 28, 2020 11:48 pm

DL has a freight hub in IND?
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Re: Delta to start IND-MEM?

Sat Aug 29, 2020 12:13 am

DaCubbyBearBar wrote:
DL has a freight hub in IND?


Fedex has a secondary hub there
 
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Re: Delta to start IND-MEM?

Sat Aug 29, 2020 12:23 am

Looks like a scheduled repo, does not appear to be for sale. I'll see what I can find out next week. I do know YX is flying a couple of Montana trips for DL from SLAC in October (For Now...)
 
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Re: Delta to start IND-MEM?

Sat Aug 29, 2020 12:28 am

FlyingElvii wrote:
Looks like a scheduled repo, does not appear to be for sale. I'll see what I can find out next week. I do know YX is flying a couple of Montana trips for DL from SLAC in October (For Now...)


I'll check again in the morning, DL's schedule changes usually hit the route map software first before going on sale Saturday morning.

FWIW, it doesn't seem like a scheduled repo based on the schedule: IND-MEM dep 12:10pm/arrive 12:45pm, MEM-IND dep 13:40pm/arrive 16:10 pm
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Re: Delta to start IND-MEM?

Sat Aug 29, 2020 12:29 am

DaCubbyBearBar wrote:
DL has a freight hub in IND?


No..... But Fedex does...
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Re: Delta to start IND-MEM?

Sat Aug 29, 2020 1:02 am

Corporate contract with Smith & Nephew?
 
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Re: Delta to start IND-MEM?

Sat Aug 29, 2020 1:08 am

LCDFlight wrote:
Well they are freight hubs... maybe crews need to move


Then why wouldn't they fly on company flights?
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Re: Delta to start IND-MEM?

Sat Aug 29, 2020 1:15 am

RDUDDJI wrote:
LCDFlight wrote:
Well they are freight hubs... maybe crews need to move


Then why wouldn't they fly on company flights?

https://www.bizjournals.com/memphis/blo ... tract.html

"OneJet launched its nonstop service from Memphis to Indianapolis – a direct service for FedEx Corp. employees looking to hop a flight to the Indy hub."

"Smith said pilots and mechanics can often catch a jump seat aboard a FedEx Express plane to the FedEx Express hub in Indianapolis, but FedEx employees who work in IT, sales or marketing don’t have that option. With the need for service, Smith facilitated discussions to establish OneJet as a certified carrier through FedEx’s global travel vendor"

MIflyer12 wrote:
Corporate contract with Smith & Nephew?


Could be...."Key corporate travel generators to Indianapolis include FedEx and several medical device companies"
https://www.regulations.gov/document?D= ... -0071-0034
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Re: Delta to start IND-MEM?

Sat Aug 29, 2020 1:40 am

Midwestindy wrote:
RDUDDJI wrote:
LCDFlight wrote:
Well they are freight hubs... maybe crews need to move


Then why wouldn't they fly on company flights?

https://www.bizjournals.com/memphis/blo ... tract.html

"OneJet launched its nonstop service from Memphis to Indianapolis – a direct service for FedEx Corp. employees looking to hop a flight to the Indy hub."

"Smith said pilots and mechanics can often catch a jump seat aboard a FedEx Express plane to the FedEx Express hub in Indianapolis, but FedEx employees who work in IT, sales or marketing don’t have that option. With the need for service, Smith facilitated discussions to establish OneJet as a certified carrier through FedEx’s global travel vendor"

MIflyer12 wrote:
Corporate contract with Smith & Nephew?


Could be...."Key corporate travel generators to Indianapolis include FedEx and several medical device companies"
https://www.regulations.gov/document?D= ... -0071-0034

This is likely the reason. FedEx likely deadheads a crapload of people back and forth, their hasn’t been a non-stop option since DL closed MEM.
YX is likely filling in on a DL flag until Onejet can get it’s own metal going. Or, I could easily see YX doing it on a white tail, now that they have a few again.

Quick down and back, plenty of spare block hours available, and plenty of spare reserve crew with the October 1 base realignment moving some senior crew back to Indy. It will be interesting to see if they operate this off of a gate, the FedEx Ramp, Signature, or the IMC ramp, like some company only trips have.
 
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Re: Delta to start IND-MEM?

Sat Aug 29, 2020 1:57 am

My opinion,
At first glace this route doesn't scream profitability even with the corporate traffic, but with the current state of the airline industry Delta is looking to put a plane anywhere it may have a chance to make money. The industry is scrambling and if the Cares Act ends of the month they are going to be hurting big time. This will lead to out of the box thinking and things we have not seen before. This route is probably a much more secure with the contract than many others that they fly.
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2020

Sat Aug 29, 2020 10:58 am

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x1234 wrote:
They should fly DTW-DUS instead like NW did with the B752. DUS is a automotive city and has lots of ties to Detroit.


Well when NWA flew DTW-DUS with the 757 they failed. Loads were catastrophic and 2008 brought a quick end of that flight.


Is there data to back that up. DTW-DUS operated for over 2 years and it was the economic down turn when this flight ended and pretty much the end of 757 TATL flights at DTW.
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2020

Sat Aug 29, 2020 11:04 am

PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
"Dropping" a market is all relative in this low-tide demand environment. Nothing is every permenant either way in this industry.
I imagine there are a number of routes they have already determined they will not operate in Summer 2021 that they've cancelled inventory. Doesn't mean it may not be back in Summer 2022 or beyond, it just means what it does at this point.

DL isn't going to be flying TATL 752s like that. That traffic won't be there for DTW-DUS next summer anyways.
Plus the people in auto I knew that needed go to DUS or Colonge region from DTW would just fly to AMS, take an extra day/night there and take the train into Germany.


That might be true but give them a Nonstop option and they might chose that, They can't fly a route that's not available. Look at DTW-KEF most people were driving to YYZ or ORD and then when DTW had a nonstop option it went from 55th place to 5th place as far as international traffic out of Detroit some months growing 1500% in capacity so until a route is started we never know how successful or used it might be we can only speculate. But I agree with you Delta is not going to use a 757 that way but you can't discount potential before it's attempted.
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Re: Delta to start IND-MEM?

Sat Aug 29, 2020 11:30 am

Can’t book it, but the nonstop is showing up on their website in October.
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Re: Delta to start IND-MEM?

Sat Aug 29, 2020 12:25 pm

MEMFLY wrote:
My opinion,
At first glace this route doesn't scream profitability even with the corporate traffic, but with the current state of the airline industry Delta is looking to put a plane anywhere it may have a chance to make money. The industry is scrambling and if the Cares Act ends of the month they are going to be hurting big time. This will lead to out of the box thinking and things we have not seen before. This route is probably a much more secure with the contract than many others that they fly.


Yeah, an E175 is a lot of aircraft capacity for a route like this, especially in this demand environment.

Makes me think FX is underwriting the route in some way, they've been clamoring for an airline to restart service on this route since Onejet went belly up.

FlyingElvii wrote:
Quick down and back, plenty of spare block hours available, and plenty of spare reserve crew with the October 1 base realignment moving some senior crew back to Indy. It will be interesting to see if they operate this off of a gate, the FedEx Ramp, Signature, or the IMC ramp, like some company only trips have.


They have shuttles back & forth from the terminal already, I'd expect them to operate it like a normal flight.
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Re: Delta to start IND-MEM?

Sat Aug 29, 2020 12:30 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
Yeah, an E175 is a lot of aircraft capacity for a route like this, especially in this demand environment.

That's why I was thinking corporate with a demand for F seats. FedEx would be happy stuffing pilots into a CR2.
 
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Re: Delta to start IND-MEM?

Sat Aug 29, 2020 12:48 pm

https://www.indystar.com/story/news/loc ... 663382002/

Mods please change title to confirmed, and *restart* as Delta already served IND-MEM in the past
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Re: Delta to start IND-MEM?

Sat Aug 29, 2020 1:52 pm

RDUDDJI wrote:
LCDFlight wrote:
Well they are freight hubs... maybe crews need to move


Then why wouldn't they fly on company flights?


As a general rule the pilot contract does not allow for scheduled deadheads on company aircraft... though there are numerous exceptions.
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Re: Delta to start IND-MEM?

Sat Aug 29, 2020 2:00 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
https://www.indystar.com/story/news/local/transportation/2020/08/29/indianapolis-flights-memphis-begin-nonstop-october-1/5663382002/

Mods please change title to confirmed, and *restart* as Delta already served IND-MEM in the past


Yeah its showing up when you try to book flights now. But it’s listed as “Sold Out” during all the dates I checked. Very strange.

Edit: just changed. It’s now fully bookable. Not a horrible price either.
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2020

Sat Aug 29, 2020 2:42 pm

Delta seems to have made a big bet against skiing this winter.

Atlanta-Aspen gone
Atlanta-Steamboat gone
Atlanta-Telluride gone
Los Angeles-Aspen gone
Minneapolis-Jackson Hole gone
Minneapolis-Steamboat gone
New York-Jackson Hole gone
Salt Lake-Vail gone
Seattle-Jackson Hole gone
Los Angeles-Sun Valley gone after Christmas
Los Angeles-Jackson Hole gone after Christmas

Meanwhile United, American, Alaska, Southwest and JetBlue are adding service to JAC, HDN, etc.
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2020

Sat Aug 29, 2020 2:43 pm

klm617 wrote:
DLHAM wrote:
x1234 wrote:
They should fly DTW-DUS instead like NW did with the B752. DUS is a automotive city and has lots of ties to Detroit.


Well when NWA flew DTW-DUS with the 757 they failed. Loads were catastrophic and 2008 brought a quick end of that flight.


Is there data to back that up. DTW-DUS operated for over 2 years and it was the economic down turn when this flight ended and pretty much the end of 757 TATL flights at DTW.


The German Federal Office of Statistics has numbers. In 2007 - the only year the flight operated all-year - there were 121 passengers on average in the 757. I know that loadfactor alone is no 100% certain indicator but I am sure that these were not only or mainly high-yielding passengers.
In the wintermonths the load factor would drop to just over 90 passengers per flight, and thats defnitiely catastrophic. That it also what I heard about that flight back then, that it was "not the best performer".

I could imagine that with todays traffic which is much higher than in 2008 (Corona aside) a seasonal flight on a 757/A321 could work DTW-DUS.
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Re: Delta to start IND-MEM?

Sat Aug 29, 2020 3:03 pm

Makes sense. Hub to hub flights maybe?
 
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Re: Delta to start IND-MEM?

Sat Aug 29, 2020 3:17 pm

FlyingElvii wrote:
Looks like a scheduled repo, does not appear to be for sale. I'll see what I can find out next week. I do know YX is flying a couple of Montana trips for DL from SLAC in October (For Now...)


YX flying for DL out of SLC?
 
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Re: Delta to start IND-MEM?

Sat Aug 29, 2020 3:27 pm

IND-MEM tickets are indeed on sale.

The schedule:

The route is set to run from early October through early December.

IND-MEM:
Departure: 12:00PM
Arrival: 12:35PM

MEM-IND:
Departure: 1:40PM
Arrival: 4:10PM

Frequency: Daily
Equipment: E175
Operator: Republic
So... when will the Northwest DC-9s be retired?
 
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Re: Delta to start IND-MEM?

Sat Aug 29, 2020 3:32 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
RDUDDJI wrote:
Then why wouldn't they fly on company flights?

https://www.bizjournals.com/memphis/blo ... tract.html

"OneJet launched its nonstop service from Memphis to Indianapolis – a direct service for FedEx Corp. employees looking to hop a flight to the Indy hub."

"Smith said pilots and mechanics can often catch a jump seat aboard a FedEx Express plane to the FedEx Express hub in Indianapolis, but FedEx employees who work in IT, sales or marketing don’t have that option. With the need for service, Smith facilitated discussions to establish OneJet as a certified carrier through FedEx’s global travel vendor"



Learned me something today. I always just figured all their employees could ride.
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2020

Sat Aug 29, 2020 3:53 pm

DLHAM wrote:
klm617 wrote:
DLHAM wrote:

Well when NWA flew DTW-DUS with the 757 they failed. Loads were catastrophic and 2008 brought a quick end of that flight.


Is there data to back that up. DTW-DUS operated for over 2 years and it was the economic down turn when this flight ended and pretty much the end of 757 TATL flights at DTW.


The German Federal Office of Statistics has numbers. In 2007 - the only year the flight operated all-year - there were 121 passengers on average in the 757. I know that loadfactor alone is no 100% certain indicator but I am sure that these were not only or mainly high-yielding passengers.
In the wintermonths the load factor would drop to just over 90 passengers per flight, and thats defnitiely catastrophic. That it also what I heard about that flight back then, that it was "not the best performer".

I could imagine that with todays traffic which is much higher than in 2008 (Corona aside) a seasonal flight on a 757/A321 could work DTW-DUS.


An average of a 121 passengers a day is not to shabby considering the low winter months are included. If it was summer seasonal it would do pretty well given the numbers you stated.
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2020

Sat Aug 29, 2020 4:11 pm

klm617 wrote:
DLHAM wrote:
klm617 wrote:

Is there data to back that up. DTW-DUS operated for over 2 years and it was the economic down turn when this flight ended and pretty much the end of 757 TATL flights at DTW.


The German Federal Office of Statistics has numbers. In 2007 - the only year the flight operated all-year - there were 121 passengers on average in the 757. I know that loadfactor alone is no 100% certain indicator but I am sure that these were not only or mainly high-yielding passengers.
In the wintermonths the load factor would drop to just over 90 passengers per flight, and thats defnitiely catastrophic. That it also what I heard about that flight back then, that it was "not the best performer".

I could imagine that with todays traffic which is much higher than in 2008 (Corona aside) a seasonal flight on a 757/A321 could work DTW-DUS.


An average of a 121 passengers a day is not to shabby considering the low winter months are included. If it was summer seasonal it would do pretty well given the numbers you stated.


121 is shabby, thats just 3/4 in NWAs spacious configuration. In August 2007 for example it was just 115 on average, August, the best month of the year normally.
In comparison other Germany - USA 757 flights in August 2007:

HAM-EWR 145 pax 88% LF
TXL-EWR 138 pax 84% LF

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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2020

Sat Aug 29, 2020 4:19 pm

Delta is adding direct, daily service between MEM/IND on an Embraer 76 seater.
 
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Re: Delta to start IND-MEM?

Sat Aug 29, 2020 4:19 pm

KCaviator wrote:
FlyingElvii wrote:
Looks like a scheduled repo, does not appear to be for sale. I'll see what I can find out next week. I do know YX is flying a couple of Montana trips for DL from SLAC in October (For Now...)


YX flying for DL out of SLC?


Yeah, I’d like to see that as well... have any idea on dates & city pairs
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Re: Delta to start IND-MEM?

Sat Aug 29, 2020 4:40 pm

I wonder if there was any advantage of Fed Ex choosing Delta over United to market the flight. I think I'd take a wait and see approach on this. I'd say it's likely it uses the Wilson Air terminal at MEM rather than the passenger terminal. Fed Ex employees will not want to have to deal with TSA for a corporate shuttle.
 
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Re: Delta to start IND-MEM?

Sat Aug 29, 2020 6:22 pm

TTailedTiger wrote:
I wonder if there was any advantage of Fed Ex choosing Delta over United to market the flight. I think I'd take a wait and see approach on this. I'd say it's likely it uses the Wilson Air terminal at MEM rather than the passenger terminal. Fed Ex employees will not want to have to deal with TSA for a corporate shuttle.


You do know there is a history of FX and NW/DL at MEM, previous shipping partners, corporate contract things.
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2020

Sat Aug 29, 2020 6:34 pm

DTW-DUS kind of ran on fumes during the end of the DaimlerChrysler days. After the divesture of Chrysler they basically didn't have a Detroit presence anymore. It's been a better route in ATL which has Mercedes HQ and closer to the CHS factory, when they converted to a full-assembly plant.
 
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Re: Delta to start IND-MEM?

Sat Aug 29, 2020 6:42 pm

Lootess wrote:
TTailedTiger wrote:
I wonder if there was any advantage of Fed Ex choosing Delta over United to market the flight. I think I'd take a wait and see approach on this. I'd say it's likely it uses the Wilson Air terminal at MEM rather than the passenger terminal. Fed Ex employees will not want to have to deal with TSA for a corporate shuttle.


You do know there is a history of FX and NW/DL at MEM, previous shipping partners, corporate contract things.


Well yes, that's why I mentioned the possibility if them using the private terminal at MEM for the flight. Delta can't even make LAX work at MEM right now. I highly doubt they think they can sell MEM-IND to the general public. This is strictly for Fed Ex while DL has nothing better to do with an E175.
 
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Re: Delta to start IND-MEM?

Sat Aug 29, 2020 6:55 pm

TTailedTiger wrote:
Lootess wrote:
TTailedTiger wrote:
I wonder if there was any advantage of Fed Ex choosing Delta over United to market the flight. I think I'd take a wait and see approach on this. I'd say it's likely it uses the Wilson Air terminal at MEM rather than the passenger terminal. Fed Ex employees will not want to have to deal with TSA for a corporate shuttle.


You do know there is a history of FX and NW/DL at MEM, previous shipping partners, corporate contract things.


Well yes, that's why I mentioned the possibility if them using the private terminal at MEM for the flight. Delta can't even make LAX work at MEM right now. I highly doubt they think they can sell MEM-IND to the general public. This is strictly for Fed Ex while DL has nothing better to do with an E175.


DL is actually restarting MEM-LAX on the same day as IND-MEM

It's definitely not strictly for FX if they are selling it to the general public, doesn't make sense to use a private terminal IMO.
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2020

Sat Aug 29, 2020 6:55 pm

Lootess wrote:
DTW-DUS kind of ran on fumes during the end of the DaimlerChrysler days. After the divesture of Chrysler they basically didn't have a Detroit presence anymore. It's been a better route in ATL which has Mercedes HQ and closer to the CHS factory, when they converted to a full-assembly plant.


I would think that that had little to do with it since the Diamler Headquarters in is Stuttgart not Dusseldorf.
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Re: Delta to start IND-MEM?

Sat Aug 29, 2020 7:00 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
TTailedTiger wrote:
Lootess wrote:

You do know there is a history of FX and NW/DL at MEM, previous shipping partners, corporate contract things.


Well yes, that's why I mentioned the possibility if them using the private terminal at MEM for the flight. Delta can't even make LAX work at MEM right now. I highly doubt they think they can sell MEM-IND to the general public. This is strictly for Fed Ex while DL has nothing better to do with an E175.


DL is actually restarting MEM-LAX on the same day as IND-MEM

It's definitely not strictly for FX if they are selling it to the general public, doesn't make sense to use a private terminal IMO.


I imagine it will be like NWA's old LAX-LAS flight that was really only meant for connections from their NRT-LAX flight. It had exorbitantly expensive fares for just LAX-LAS. Usually something like $900 for coach. If there was any demand for MEM-LAX outside of Fed Ex then the flight would last more than a few months.

You might think about taking a step back and looking at things objectively. I like my home airport of MCO too and it sucks that we've lost so much service but that's just the reality. If people don't want to come to Orlando then it doesn't say much for Indianapolis.
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2020

Sat Aug 29, 2020 7:17 pm

Can’t believe people still arguing about DTWDUS. The market is absolutely non-existent. Less than 3 PDEW.
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Re: Delta to start IND-MEM?

Sat Aug 29, 2020 7:22 pm

TTailedTiger wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
TTailedTiger wrote:

Well yes, that's why I mentioned the possibility if them using the private terminal at MEM for the flight. Delta can't even make LAX work at MEM right now. I highly doubt they think they can sell MEM-IND to the general public. This is strictly for Fed Ex while DL has nothing better to do with an E175.


DL is actually restarting MEM-LAX on the same day as IND-MEM

It's definitely not strictly for FX if they are selling it to the general public, doesn't make sense to use a private terminal IMO.


I imagine it will be like NWA's old LAX-LAS flight that was really only meant for connections from their NRT-LAX flight. It had exorbitantly expensive fares for just LAX-LAS. Usually something like $900 for coach. If there was any demand for MEM-LAX outside of Fed Ex then the flight would last more than a few months.

You might think about taking a step back and looking at things objectively. I like my home airport of MCO too and it sucks that we've lost so much service but that's just the reality. If people don't want to come to Orlando then it doesn't say much for Indianapolis.


I'm very confused at what you are getting at.... DL is adding IND-MEM because they see a market to be had (FX), I think you are making it more complex than it needs to be
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2020

Sat Aug 29, 2020 8:45 pm

MAH4546 wrote:
Can’t believe people still arguing about DTWDUS. The market is absolutely non-existent. Less than 3 PDEW.


Per the comment up thread when there was a link there was an average of 121 PDEW using the flight. Being there are other options as others have stated most of those passengers are using FRA and AMS and using the train to get to DUS.
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Re: Delta to start IND-MEM?

Sat Aug 29, 2020 9:40 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
TTailedTiger wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:

DL is actually restarting MEM-LAX on the same day as IND-MEM

It's definitely not strictly for FX if they are selling it to the general public, doesn't make sense to use a private terminal IMO.


I imagine it will be like NWA's old LAX-LAS flight that was really only meant for connections from their NRT-LAX flight. It had exorbitantly expensive fares for just LAX-LAS. Usually something like $900 for coach. If there was any demand for MEM-LAX outside of Fed Ex then the flight would last more than a few months.

You might think about taking a step back and looking at things objectively. I like my home airport of MCO too and it sucks that we've lost so much service but that's just the reality. If people don't want to come to Orlando then it doesn't say much for Indianapolis.


I'm very confused at what you are getting at.... DL is adding IND-MEM because they see a market to be had (FX), I think you are making it more complex than it needs to be


DL’s adding IND-MEM because of FX. But they are selling to the public IND-MEM because they believe there’s a market outside of FX. As a couple of folks have pointed out, I expect that the healthcare industry (Smith & Nephew and St. Jude in MEM, Lilly in IND) is likely part of it.

And the performance of LAX-MEM will depend largely on fares. Toward the end of the hub the MEM-west coast flights tended to have ridiculous pricing. I remember paying $900 to fly on a nearly empty 738 LAS-MEM in late 2013. With more reasonable fares the demand is there.
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Re: Delta to start IND-MEM?

Sat Aug 29, 2020 11:37 pm

Cubsrule wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
TTailedTiger wrote:

I imagine it will be like NWA's old LAX-LAS flight that was really only meant for connections from their NRT-LAX flight. It had exorbitantly expensive fares for just LAX-LAS. Usually something like $900 for coach. If there was any demand for MEM-LAX outside of Fed Ex then the flight would last more than a few months.

You might think about taking a step back and looking at things objectively. I like my home airport of MCO too and it sucks that we've lost so much service but that's just the reality. If people don't want to come to Orlando then it doesn't say much for Indianapolis.


I'm very confused at what you are getting at.... DL is adding IND-MEM because they see a market to be had (FX), I think you are making it more complex than it needs to be


DL’s adding IND-MEM because of FX. But they are selling to the public IND-MEM because they believe there’s a market outside of FX. As a couple of folks have pointed out, I expect that the healthcare industry (Smith & Nephew and St. Jude in MEM, Lilly in IND) is likely part of it.

And the performance of LAX-MEM will depend largely on fares. Toward the end of the hub the MEM-west coast flights tended to have ridiculous pricing. I remember paying $900 to fly on a nearly empty 738 LAS-MEM in late 2013. With more reasonable fares the demand is there.

Lol....
If you think that’s bad, you should have seen what DL was charging for LAX out of CVG in the late 90’s, early 2000’s. $1,200+ walk ups were not uncommon.
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2020

Sat Aug 29, 2020 11:56 pm

klm617 wrote:
MAH4546 wrote:
Can’t believe people still arguing about DTWDUS. The market is absolutely non-existent. Less than 3 PDEW.


Per the comment up thread when there was a link there was an average of 121 PDEW using the flight. Being there are other options as others have stated most of those passengers are using FRA and AMS and using the train to get to DUS.


No absolutely not. The market was never that large. The comments said that there was an average of 121 people per flight. Which is a pathetic average load factor. PDEW is local passengers. There are many days when there are ZERO local passengers between Detroit and Düsseldorf. There is NO market.
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Re: Delta to start IND-MEM?

Sun Aug 30, 2020 12:02 am

Moosefire wrote:
RDUDDJI wrote:
LCDFlight wrote:
Well they are freight hubs... maybe crews need to move


Then why wouldn't they fly on company flights?


As a general rule the pilot contract does not allow for scheduled deadheads on company aircraft... though there are numerous exceptions.

Generally, the pilot's contract requires that they are not seated in a jump seat in fact on certain 747 there are actual recliners on freighters in which case deadheading is legal otherwise they need to be on a commercial service generally.
 
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Re: Delta to start IND-MEM?

Sun Aug 30, 2020 12:35 am

I flew DL IND-MEM on a Pinnacle CR2 in 2012. That was when the MEM was hub was still going strong. I'm surprised it'd come back.
 
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Re: Delta to start IND-MEM?

Sun Aug 30, 2020 1:34 am

RDUDDJI wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
RDUDDJI wrote:
Then why wouldn't they fly on company flights?

https://www.bizjournals.com/memphis/blo ... tract.html

"OneJet launched its nonstop service from Memphis to Indianapolis – a direct service for FedEx Corp. employees looking to hop a flight to the Indy hub."

"Smith said pilots and mechanics can often catch a jump seat aboard a FedEx Express plane to the FedEx Express hub in Indianapolis, but FedEx employees who work in IT, sales or marketing don’t have that option. With the need for service, Smith facilitated discussions to establish OneJet as a certified carrier through FedEx’s global travel vendor"



Learned me something today. I always just figured all their employees could ride.


You don't know about the "incident" that put that on ice for all employees. My Mom would go in in the middle of the night to sign up for jump sets when they opened up. She flew all over the US that way and then one whacked out employee with a hammer put that to an end.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal ... ht_details

9-11 would have got it eventually.

I have always thought Southwest should have started MSY-MEM- STL-IND routing and it would have filled in some major dehub loses with MEM/IND being a no connection flight.

IND is in the flight path of MEM/DTW if the wanted to milk run it to a Hub.

What's next MEM -CVG, lol.
 
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Re: Delta to start IND-MEM?

Sun Aug 30, 2020 1:44 am

Its a republic plain and IND is the WHq for republic probally a ferry flight in both directions to get a plane back to base
 
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Re: Delta to start IND-MEM?

Sun Aug 30, 2020 2:17 am

It’s a scheduled flight operated by YX under DL branding.

Obviously to help move FX employees but it’s also for sale to all.

It helps that DL//NW have history of working together in MEM.

It also helps that YX has a maintenance and crew base in IND.

It also help that YX is a DCI carrier.

There you go, a market with some level of built in demand with infrastructure already in place.
 
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Re: Delta to start IND-MEM?

Sun Aug 30, 2020 2:27 am

Coexstud wrote:
Its a republic plain and IND is the WHq for republic probally a ferry flight in both directions to get a plane back to base


Nope. As said, the market for this flight is FedEx. Memphis is the largest hub for FedEx; Indianapolis is their second largest hub. Given the explosion of the air cargo business in this COVID era, I'm sure there is an increased demand to get people to/from these cities.

MEM-IND is a 381 mile, 1h30 minute flight. Keep in mind, FedEx has to pay their employees while they deadhead. The shortest flights I can find for a random date in September have an elapsed duration time of about 4 hours, connecting over a variety of DTW/ATL/ORD/CLT. Cutting that by 2.5 hours each way to a 1.5 hour flight is a significant 5 hours round-trip savings. I'm assuming most FedEx pilots flying the heavy metal (not the props) are making over $100/hour (probably a lot more) - even at $100/hr, that's a $500 savings in labor per pilot right there. Any ticket they buy for less than the cost of the deadhead adds up to a significant savings.

Likewise, for office types who aren't necessarily being paid to travel (when I've had business travel as a salaried employee, it's just considered part of my working time), that saves 3 hours of time that can be better spent on more productive means.
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