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Re: Delta to start IND-MEM?

Sun Aug 30, 2020 3:01 am

RyanairGuru wrote:
It's not clear to me, is this Republic "at risk" or has Delta contracted this as a smart way to get some all-but-guaranteed cash flow?


My understanding was that Delta terminated all the Skywest at-risk flying, so I'd assume they're not looking to add more.
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2020

Sun Aug 30, 2020 9:01 am

klm617 wrote:
Lootess wrote:
DTW-DUS kind of ran on fumes during the end of the DaimlerChrysler days. After the divesture of Chrysler they basically didn't have a Detroit presence anymore. It's been a better route in ATL which has Mercedes HQ and closer to the CHS factory, when they converted to a full-assembly plant.


I would think that that had little to do with it since the Diamler Headquarters in is Stuttgart not Dusseldorf.


Dusseldorf has the Mercedes Sprinter factory, one of the largest in the Daimler network. The US Sprinter factory is in Charleston.
 
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Re: Delta to start IND-MEM?

Sun Aug 30, 2020 11:03 am

Given the relationship between DL and FedEx, I would guess that this is an exception to the rule.
This is likely YX at-risk subsidized by FX.
As was noted earlier, pilots get paid for deadheads, not just hourly, but minimum guarantee. That is a day’s pay for the deadhead, and the hours count against duty time. Get delayed in ORD or ATL and that becomes two days, really quick. Add in hotels and per diem, it gets expensive. And let’s face it, double-deadhead jumpseating through ORD or ATL is a pain in the a... It’s a 7 hour limo to Indy from MEM in good conditions, Doable if you have to, but damned expensive.

I have no idea what FX’s duty time rules are, but the flight times look like report, DH to IND, 10 hours at the hotel, and operate an outbound departure. Same for the inbound. Or, DH in and operate an afternoon departure, or inbound with a same day return to MEM. The more I look at it, the more cost savings I see.

FedEx is likely getting this at a bargain under current conditions as well. Mid-day turn, (lots of midday schedule slack right now), and the Oct1 base realignment is putting plenty of Senior crew back in Indy. Lots of reserves. FX is obviously moving enough heads between the two to make it worth the cost.
 
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Re: Delta to start IND-MEM?

Sun Aug 30, 2020 2:04 pm

FlyingElvii wrote:
Given the relationship between DL and FedEx, I would guess that this is an exception to the rule.
This is likely YX at-risk subsidized by FX.
As was noted earlier, pilots get paid for deadheads, not just hourly, but minimum guarantee. That is a day’s pay for the deadhead, and the hours count against duty time. Get delayed in ORD or ATL and that becomes two days, really quick. Add in hotels and per diem, it gets expensive. And let’s face it, double-deadhead jumpseating through ORD or ATL is a pain in the a... It’s a 7 hour limo to Indy from MEM in good conditions, Doable if you have to, but damned expensive.

I have no idea what FX’s duty time rules are, but the flight times look like report, DH to IND, 10 hours at the hotel, and operate an outbound departure. Same for the inbound. Or, DH in and operate an afternoon departure, or inbound with a same day return to MEM. The more I look at it, the more cost savings I see.

FedEx is likely getting this at a bargain under current conditions as well. Mid-day turn, (lots of midday schedule slack right now), and the Oct1 base realignment is putting plenty of Senior crew back in Indy. Lots of reserves. FX is obviously moving enough heads between the two to make it worth the cost.


One Day Indy and Memphis will be connected by interstate(I-69) Maybe my unborn grandchildren will get to drive it in their 30s, lol.

Also, and this hasn't been brought up lately but Viking Cruise Lines has started selling sailings on the Mississippi after several years of delay. Will be using the largest passenger ship(when complete) on the Mississippi with plans for another big ship.

Another thing concerning freight is the container port proposals with the development of a river based container vessels

https://www.commercialappeal.com/story/ ... 365353001/
 
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Re: Delta to start IND-MEM?

Sun Aug 30, 2020 2:18 pm

DiamondFlyer wrote:
RyanairGuru wrote:
It's not clear to me, is this Republic "at risk" or has Delta contracted this as a smart way to get some all-but-guaranteed cash flow?


My understanding was that Delta terminated all the Skywest at-risk flying, so I'd assume they're not looking to add more.


No, it's actually the opposite. DL is not renewing any CPA flying on OO CRJ-200s and is letting them expire over the course of the next few months. The at-risk flying on the CRJ-200s, however, will continue.

DiamondFlyer wrote:
KCaviator wrote:
FlyingElvii wrote:
Looks like a scheduled repo, does not appear to be for sale. I'll see what I can find out next week. I do know YX is flying a couple of Montana trips for DL from SLAC in October (For Now...)


YX flying for DL out of SLC?


Yeah, I’d like to see that as well... have any idea on dates & city pairs


I'm also highly skeptical of that...
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Re: Delta to start IND-MEM?

Mon Aug 31, 2020 12:10 am

deltairlines wrote:
Memphis is the largest hub for FedEx; Indianapolis is their second largest hub. Given the explosion of the air cargo business in this COVID era, I'm sure there is an increased demand to get people to/from these cities.

MEM-IND is a 381 mile, 1h30 minute flight. Keep in mind, FedEx has to pay their employees while they deadhead. The shortest flights I can find for a random date in September have an elapsed duration time of about 4 hours, connecting over a variety of DTW/ATL/ORD/CLT. Cutting that by 2.5 hours each way to a 1.5 hour flight is a significant 5 hours round-trip savings. I'm assuming most FedEx pilots flying the heavy metal (not the props) are making over $100/hour (probably a lot more) - even at $100/hr, that's a $500 savings in labor per pilot right there. Any ticket they buy for less than the cost of the deadhead adds up to a significant savings.

We don't move many crews between IND and MEM, contrary to what most in this thread seem to believe. Certainly not enough to justify 76 seats a day in each direction. I suspect that if this is driven by FX, rather than DL just hoping to catch some FX business, it's for essential corporate travel only.

Secondly, that is not at all how pilot pay works. Whether they have 1 minute off blocks or 5 hours off blocks, they are paid their contractual daily minimum; shaving off a deadhead connection between MEM and IND will have 0 impact on pilots' daily pay, as they're paid only for the door closed time which will rarely approach their daily minimum guarantee between MEM-IND. If this does anything for crew productivity, it saves time and enables smaller trips - and only if the deadhead schedules work for what you're trying to crew on the other end. Per diem is a negligible cost, at best, and far outweighed by the higher cost of the nonstop. The tradeoff is obviously time savings, here.
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2020

Wed Sep 02, 2020 4:08 am

Delta will resume Boston to St. Thomas this December with a 1x weekly 757.

Delta hasn’t flown this route since August 2017.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... -dec-2020/
 
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Re: Delta to start IND-MEM?

Thu Sep 03, 2020 7:14 pm

ADM94 wrote:
DiamondFlyer wrote:
RyanairGuru wrote:
It's not clear to me, is this Republic "at risk" or has Delta contracted this as a smart way to get some all-but-guaranteed cash flow?


My understanding was that Delta terminated all the Skywest at-risk flying, so I'd assume they're not looking to add more.


No, it's actually the opposite. DL is not renewing any CPA flying on OO CRJ-200s and is letting them expire over the course of the next few months. The at-risk flying on the CRJ-200s, however, will continue.

DiamondFlyer wrote:
KCaviator wrote:

YX flying for DL out of SLC?


Yeah, I’d like to see that as well... have any idea on dates & city pairs


I'm also highly skeptical of that...


As expected and with no surprise, YX is NOT operating out of SLC.
 
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Re: Delta to start IND-MEM?

Sat Sep 05, 2020 9:21 pm

If I were a betting man, which I am, I'd bet on there being a lot of FX pilots on this flight.
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2020

Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:30 pm

Thought this was interesting, comparing DL to UA. DL has a much more diverse set of SkyMiles members, especially a much more diverse geographic base:

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http://d18rn0p25nwr6d.cloudfront.net/CI ... 4333c1.pdf
https://ir.united.com/static-files/1c0f ... 975348bab9
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2020

Mon Sep 14, 2020 1:24 pm

Does anyone know when JFK-BCN will be resuming? It was scheduled to resume a few days ago, but keeps showing up as cancelled. JFK-FCO, MAD, and ACCC started, as planned.
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2020

Mon Sep 14, 2020 1:32 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
Thought this was interesting, comparing DL to UA. DL has a much more diverse set of SkyMiles members, especially a much more diverse geographic base:


IMHO, much the bigger news in that 8-K filing today:

1. DL 'does not intend' to participate in the CARES Act loan program

2. It's borrowing $6.5 Billion secured by the SkyMiles program
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2020

Mon Sep 14, 2020 2:38 pm

flyguy1 wrote:
Does anyone know when JFK-BCN will be resuming? It was scheduled to resume a few days ago, but keeps showing up as cancelled. JFK-FCO, MAD, and ACCC started, as planned.


BCN restart looks like it’s been pushed back to Oct 1.
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2020

Mon Sep 14, 2020 3:07 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
Thought this was interesting, comparing DL to UA. DL has a much more diverse set of SkyMiles members, especially a much more diverse geographic base:

http://d18rn0p25nwr6d.cloudfront.net/CI ... 4333c1.pdf
https://ir.united.com/static-files/1c0f ... 975348bab9


There must be some sort of activity measure on that data. I find it hard to believe that both Delta and United have nearly doubled their frequent flyer base over the past 4 years. Is this specific to Medallion/Premier members?
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2020

Mon Sep 14, 2020 3:35 pm

As Delta resumes delivery of new aircraft including the A339, it looks like they are further adding the type to JFK. From 15 Jan 2021, one of the two JFK-TLV flights will switch from an A333 to an A339. As previously published, JFK-AMS will switch to the A339 starting 1 December 2020.

So it looks Iike the A339 will be on the following TATL routes this coming winter:

SEA-AMS
JFK-AMS
JFK-TLV
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2020

Mon Sep 14, 2020 4:21 pm

panamair wrote:
As Delta resumes delivery of new aircraft including the A339, it looks like they are further adding the type to JFK. From 15 Jan 2021, one of the two JFK-TLV flights will switch from an A333 to an A339. As previously published, JFK-AMS will switch to the A339 starting 1 December 2020.

So it looks Iike the A339 will be on the following TATL routes this coming winter:

SEA-AMS
JFK-AMS
JFK-TLV


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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2020

Mon Sep 14, 2020 4:35 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
Thought this was interesting, comparing DL to UA. DL has a much more diverse set of SkyMiles members, especially a much more diverse geographic base:


IMHO, much the bigger news in that 8-K filing today:

1. DL 'does not intend' to participate in the CARES Act loan program

2. It's borrowing $6.5 Billion secured by the SkyMiles program


No. 1 is big, other airlines are getting billions. I'm curious what DL's reasoning is (i.e., what strings are attached that DL doesn't want) - if anything, it indicates they are in a much more secure financial position.
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2020

Mon Sep 14, 2020 5:07 pm

panamair wrote:
flyguy1 wrote:
Does anyone know when JFK-BCN will be resuming? It was scheduled to resume a few days ago, but keeps showing up as cancelled. JFK-FCO, MAD, and ACCC started, as planned.


BCN restart looks like it’s been pushed back to Oct 1.


Thanks for the info.! Looks like there will be some other European flights starting that day, as well.
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2020

Mon Sep 14, 2020 5:51 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
Thought this was interesting, comparing DL to UA. DL has a much more diverse set of SkyMiles members, especially a much more diverse geographic base:


IMHO, much the bigger news in that 8-K filing today:

1. DL 'does not intend' to participate in the CARES Act loan program

2. It's borrowing $6.5 Billion secured by the SkyMiles program


Agreed, but this is the network thread, that's why it was mentioned here and not the other stuff that has little to nothing to do with their network.
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2020

Mon Sep 14, 2020 6:00 pm

flyguy1 wrote:
panamair wrote:
flyguy1 wrote:
Does anyone know when JFK-BCN will be resuming? It was scheduled to resume a few days ago, but keeps showing up as cancelled. JFK-FCO, MAD, and ACCC started, as planned.


BCN restart looks like it’s been pushed back to Oct 1.


Thanks for the info.! Looks like there will be some other European flights starting that day, as well.


So far, they are planning on bringing back JFK-BRU/FRA/ZRH on Oct 1 as well as moving DUB from ATL to JFK.
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2020

Tue Sep 15, 2020 1:09 am

jbs2886 wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
Thought this was interesting, comparing DL to UA. DL has a much more diverse set of SkyMiles members, especially a much more diverse geographic base:


IMHO, much the bigger news in that 8-K filing today:

1. DL 'does not intend' to participate in the CARES Act loan program

2. It's borrowing $6.5 Billion secured by the SkyMiles program


No. 1 is big, other airlines are getting billions. I'm curious what DL's reasoning is (i.e., what strings are attached that DL doesn't want) - if anything, it indicates they are in a much more secure financial position.


I believe DL is not participating because they dont want to give equity to the US Govt for the bailout when their stock is low. They would prefer taking a low interest loan. Not saying it is right or wrong. Just what I think is happening.
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2020

Tue Sep 15, 2020 11:51 am

Looks like DL will be adding/resuming the following starting Dec 2020:

- SLC-MIA
- JFK-SAL
- LAX-RNO

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... -dec-2020/

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... -dec-2020/

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... -dec-2020/

The SLC-MIA flight schedules look timed for some LATAM connections.
 
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Re: Delta Network Thread - 2020

Tue Sep 15, 2020 12:10 pm

Delta finally modified the PVD schedule from the default one that had been hanging out there (3x ATL 3x DTW) to 1x ATL and 2x DTW starting in November meaning the return is more realistic now. Nice to see PVD not go the same course as other secondary markets.
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DL adds FAT-LAX

Sat Sep 19, 2020 11:06 pm

From last nights schedule load, DL is adding 1X FAT-LAX in November. If the SLC schedule is correct, they’ll go to 4X to SLC. All OO 175s. It’s been how many years since DL owned FAT-LAX?
 
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Re: DL adds FAT-LAX

Sat Sep 19, 2020 11:39 pm

1x????? How do you fly something that short 1x? They will get crushed with that schedule. Is it reasonably timed at least?
 
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Re: DL adds FAT-LAX

Sat Sep 19, 2020 11:47 pm

enilria wrote:
1x????? How do you fly something that short 1x? They will get crushed with that schedule. Is it reasonably timed at least?


They would be crushed by whom? UA and their robust LAX hub? :) The other carrier on a November Monday is AS - again 1x.
 
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Re: DL adds FAT-LAX

Sat Sep 19, 2020 11:49 pm

Perhaps to/fr OO maintenance at FAT?
 
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Re: DL adds FAT-LAX

Sun Sep 20, 2020 12:34 am

Yeah...I think AS only has 1X daily LAX-FAT, but AS also has FAT-SAN, FAT-PDX and FAT-SEA.
 
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Re: DL adds FAT-LAX

Sun Sep 20, 2020 12:51 am

whatusaid wrote:
From last nights schedule load, DL is adding 1X FAT-LAX in November. If the SLC schedule is correct, they’ll go to 4X to SLC. All OO 175s. It’s been how many years since DL owned FAT-LAX?


I’m confused, 1X is “delta owning it?”
 
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Re: DL adds FAT-LAX

Sun Sep 20, 2020 12:57 am

Interesting. DL recently added nonstop LAX-RNO service, and now this. I believe other recent additions or should I say resumptions by DL at LAX include LAX-GDL and LAX-SAL. If DL is truly sensing opportunity at LAX these day, perhaps nonstop LAX-MIA/ORD/PHL could be added next?
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Re: DL adds FAT-LAX

Sun Sep 20, 2020 1:12 am

SurfandSnow wrote:
Interesting. DL recently added nonstop LAX-RNO service, and now this. I believe other recent additions or should I say resumptions by DL at LAX include LAX-GDL and LAX-SAL. If DL is truly sensing opportunity at LAX these day, perhaps nonstop LAX-MIA/ORD/PHL could be added next?


I agree that DL adding LAX-MIA/ORD/PHL nonstop service are possibilities with MIA, ORD, and PHL being three of the top destinations that DL doesn't currently serve nonstop from LAX.

There are also some other domestic nonstop routes that could be added by DL out of LAX after the COVID-19 pandemic such as LAX-CLE/IAH/STL with CLE, IAH, and STL also being top destinations that DL doesn't currently serve nonstop from LAX.

There are also destinations such as SDF and MKE that lost nonstop service to LAX with AA having dropped SDF-LAX nonstop service and WN having dropped MKE-LAX nonstop service, and there is also an opportunity for DL to add nonstop routes such as LAX-SDF/MKE using A220's.
 
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Re: DL adds FAT-LAX

Sun Sep 20, 2020 1:37 am

Sounds like DL is looking anywhere and everywhere to utilize planes and crews that used to fly all the routes they've cut to and from SEA.
 
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Re: DL adds FAT-LAX

Sun Sep 20, 2020 2:08 am

As well as new LAX-PSP from November 20

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... -nov-2020/


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Re: DL adds FAT-LAX

Sun Sep 20, 2020 2:53 am

IPFreely wrote:
Sounds like DL is looking anywhere and everywhere to utilize planes and crews that used to fly all the routes they've cut to and from SEA.


DL has been bringing SEA flights SLOWLY.
 
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Re: DL adds FAT-LAX

Sun Sep 20, 2020 4:06 am

This is simply not true.

IPFreely wrote:
Sounds like DL is looking anywhere and everywhere to utilize planes and crews that used to fly all the routes they've cut to and from SEA.
 
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Re: DL adds FAT-LAX

Sun Sep 20, 2020 4:39 am

I think Delta will be pushing for the number one spot at LAX with their new terminal renovation, American retreating from the Pacific, and American's domestic proxy war in LA (using AS), which in the long-run isn't a winning strategy against a staunch competitor.
 
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Re: DL adds FAT-LAX

Sun Sep 20, 2020 4:41 am

Both LAX-FAT and LAX-PSP are RONs in the outstation. Given the construction going on at LAX right now, this could easily be a move to get these planes to an outstation to park for the night, with the bonus of getting any passengers wanting to flow onto the network over LAX rather than SLC.
 
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Re: DL adds FAT-LAX

Sun Sep 20, 2020 5:43 am

TYWoolman wrote:
I think Delta will be pushing for the number one spot at LAX with their new terminal renovation, American retreating from the Pacific, and American's domestic proxy war in LA (using AS), which in the long-run isn't a winning strategy against a staunch competitor.


I thought there was a stop work order on these projects while this pandemic is going on to save money? The members on Flyertalk have said Delta's "new" terminals are LAX are really awful.
 
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Re: DL adds FAT-LAX

Sun Sep 20, 2020 6:00 am

TTailedTiger wrote:
TYWoolman wrote:
I think Delta will be pushing for the number one spot at LAX with their new terminal renovation, American retreating from the Pacific, and American's domestic proxy war in LA (using AS), which in the long-run isn't a winning strategy against a staunch competitor.


I thought there was a stop work order on these projects while this pandemic is going on to save money? The members on Flyertalk have said Delta's "new" terminals are LAX are really awful.


There is certainly not a stop work order at LAX. I was there a couple of weeks ago - Terminal 2 is still open and is the nicer of the two terminals. Terminal 3 is open for a handful of departures and arrivals but can only be accessed by bus from Terminal 2 and Bradley. They have already demolished the corridor between the old check in area and the gates of Terminal 3 so the project is certainly still progressing.

Having flown out of the two DL LAX terminals quite a lot, Terminal 2 is certainly the nicer of the two whereas Terminal 3 was/is pretty ordinary.
 
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Re: DL adds FAT-LAX

Sun Sep 20, 2020 6:21 am

nickofatlanta wrote:
TTailedTiger wrote:
TYWoolman wrote:
I think Delta will be pushing for the number one spot at LAX with their new terminal renovation, American retreating from the Pacific, and American's domestic proxy war in LA (using AS), which in the long-run isn't a winning strategy against a staunch competitor.


I thought there was a stop work order on these projects while this pandemic is going on to save money? The members on Flyertalk have said Delta's "new" terminals are LAX are really awful.


There is certainly not a stop work order at LAX. I was there a couple of weeks ago - Terminal 2 is still open and is the nicer of the two terminals. Terminal 3 is open for a handful of departures and arrivals but can only be accessed by bus from Terminal 2 and Bradley. They have already demolished the corridor between the old check in area and the gates of Terminal 3 so the project is certainly still progressing.

Having flown out of the two DL LAX terminals quite a lot, Terminal 2 is certainly the nicer of the two whereas Terminal 3 was/is pretty ordinary.


Terminal 3 is being completely torn down and rebuilt.
 
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Re: DL adds FAT-LAX

Sun Sep 20, 2020 6:22 am

wedgetail737 wrote:
Yeah...I think AS only has 1X daily LAX-FAT, but AS also has FAT-SAN, FAT-PDX and FAT-SEA.


Pretty sure it's 2X daily.
 
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Re: DL adds FAT-LAX

Sun Sep 20, 2020 6:24 am

Very surprised to see this before SEA, but it will offer a lot of domestic connections, including HI.
 
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Re: DL adds FAT-LAX

Sun Sep 20, 2020 7:52 am

flyfresno wrote:
wedgetail737 wrote:
Yeah...I think AS only has 1X daily LAX-FAT, but AS also has FAT-SAN, FAT-PDX and FAT-SEA.


Pretty sure it's 2X daily.


Maybe next summer, AS will try to fly mainline aircraft on the SEA-FAT route. Sorry to go off subject here.
 
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Re: DL adds FAT-LAX

Sun Sep 20, 2020 8:21 am

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MIflyer12 wrote:
enilria wrote:
1x????? How do you fly something that short 1x? They will get crushed with that schedule. Is it reasonably timed at least?


They would be crushed by whom? UA and their robust LAX hub? :) The other carrier on a November Monday is AS - again 1x.


AA has served FAT as well but from PHX.
 
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Re: DL adds FAT-LAX

Sun Sep 20, 2020 1:36 pm

Delta has all the incentives in the world to keep building up lax. It will be the largest airline there post pandemic. And it should keep adding obvious holes like ord if it really wants to win more of the la market. It doesn’t have as many good partners as aa does. So it will have to do a lot of these more challenging routes on its own.
 
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Re: DL adds FAT-LAX

Sun Sep 20, 2020 3:40 pm

whatusaid wrote:
Perhaps to/fr OO maintenance at FAT?


Probably doesn't hurt. With PSP also being added and a OO MX base, that might be true.
 
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Re: DL adds FAT-LAX

Sun Sep 20, 2020 3:44 pm

flyfresno wrote:
Very surprised to see this before SEA, but it will offer a lot of domestic connections, including HI.


I'm sure SEA-FAT will happen eventually.
 
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Re: DL adds FAT-LAX

Sun Sep 20, 2020 4:15 pm

whatusaid wrote:
It’s been how many years since DL owned FAT-LAX?


Ahh, the good old DL at FAT days. Mainline to SLC, LAX and RNO. Plus DL Connection to LAS, ONT, BUR, etc. Before they cut the routes down to just FAT-SLC, the large number of possible connecting points and large number of flights at FAT made Delta my first choice for weekly biz travel.

ericm2031 wrote:
whatusaid wrote:
Perhaps to/fr OO maintenance at FAT?

Probably doesn't hurt. With PSP also being added and a OO MX base, that might be true.


My thought also since it is now both FAT and PSP.
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Re: DL adds FAT-LAX

Sun Sep 20, 2020 5:22 pm

It also makes me wonder if they will replace the CRJ200 with the E175 on routes out west from SLC to SGU, the Montana towns, and some of the Idaho towns. I think they could definitely use the larger aircraft too.
 
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Re: DL adds FAT-LAX

Sun Sep 20, 2020 5:46 pm

HNLSLCPDX wrote:
It also makes me wonder if they will replace the CRJ200 with the E175 on routes out west from SLC to SGU, the Montana towns, and some of the Idaho towns. I think they could definitely use the larger aircraft too.


Typically no “dual class” on prorate. Although Delta is allowing it right now to aid in social distance. But dual class aircraft are under contract flying. The 200’s ate prorate for the most part now..

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