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Algerian Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 01, 2020 10:44 am

Welcome to the Algerian Aviation Thread 2020. Please continue your discussion and to post your updates here.

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Re: Algerian Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 01, 2020 1:29 pm

As per amadeus, AC Rouge YUL-ALG in S20 will be 4 weekly 763ER vs 5 weekly 333 AC in S19

Air Algerie will maintain same number of flights : 8 weekly (Daily + second flight each Tuesday)
 
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Re: Algerian Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 01, 2020 2:07 pm

dabc wrote:
As per amadeus, AC Rouge YUL-ALG in S20 will be 4 weekly 763ER vs 5 weekly 333 AC in S19

Air Algerie will maintain same number of flights : 8 weekly (Daily + second flight each Tuesday)


So that's quite a downgrade then (Rouge). Good news for Air Algerie I guess.
 
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Re: Algerian Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 09, 2020 4:40 pm

Starting March 29, 2020, Air Algerie will restart two domestic routes : Algiers-Tiaret and Algiers-Boussada

ALG-TID, 2 weekly (Wednesday, Sunday)

ALG-BUJ, 2 weekly (Thursday, Sunday)

Flights will be operated with ATR72
 
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Re: Algerian Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Jan 13, 2020 12:09 pm

From July 13 to end of August 2020, Air France will add a 5 daily flight (except Saturday) between Paris CDG and Algiers

During this period, AF will have 34 weekly flights between PAR and ALG vs 68 for Air Algerie
 
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Re: Algerian Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Jan 13, 2020 12:30 pm

Starting March 29, AH will resume 4 domestic routes from ALG to TID, BUJ, MZW and EBH and open two new domestic routes from ORN to MZW and EBH. All operated with ATR72

ALG-TID-ALG, 2 weekly

ALG-BUJ-TGR-BUJ-ALG, 1 weekly
ALG-BUJ-LOO-BUJ-ALG, 1 weekly

As a consequence
ALG-LOO-ALG is reduced from 4 to 3 weekly
ALG-TGR-ALG is rerduced from 4 to 3 weekly

ALG-EBH-MZW-EBH-ALG, 2 weekly

ORN-EBH-ORN, 1 weekly
ORN-MZW-ORN, 1 weekly
 
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Re: Algerian Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Jan 13, 2020 2:46 pm

Transavia France has obtained traffic rights to open the following routes

Montpellier-Algiers
Montpellier-Constantine
Montpellier-Oran

https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/affichTe ... pTexteJorf
 
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Re: Algerian Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Jan 17, 2020 9:46 am

Finally, Aigle Azur trafic rights between France and Algeria have been allocated as follows :

Air France
Marseille-Algiers
Nice-Algiers
Toulouse-Algiers
Toulouse-Oran
More capacity on Paris-Algiers


Transavia
Paris-Algiers
Paris-Oran
Paris-Constantine
Paris-Setif
Paris-Tlemcen
Paris-Bejaia
Lyon-Bejaia
Lyon-Constantine
Lyon-Oran
More capacity on Lyon-Algiers

ASL Airlines
Paris-Annaba
Paris-Bejaia
Lyon-Alger
Lille-Alger
Lille-Oran
More capacity on Paris-Algiers

Volotea
Lyon-Setif
Bordeaux-Alger
Marseille–Annaba,
Marseille–Béjaïa
Marseille–Constantine
Marseille–Oran
Marseille–Sétif
Marseille–Tlemcen

https://www.ecologique-solidaire.gouv.f ... xl-airways
 
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Re: Algerian Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Jan 18, 2020 7:21 am

Blerg wrote:
dabc wrote:
As per amadeus, AC Rouge YUL-ALG in S20 will be 4 weekly 763ER vs 5 weekly 333 AC in S19

Air Algerie will maintain same number of flights : 8 weekly (Daily + second flight each Tuesday)


So that's quite a downgrade then (Rouge). Good news for Air Algerie I guess.


I’m curious as to what loads look like on the ALG op for AC after seeing this. It would be interesting see the reasons behind the downgrade.
 
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Re: Algerian Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Jan 19, 2020 3:08 am

I will travel FRA-ALG in February again on Lufthansa. So I'm asking the same question, I did last year :D Does anybody know, in which terminal Lufthansa operates today? Last time I've been there, the new terminal was already in operation, but LH was still operating from the old one.

Unfortunately, Lufthansa's booking page still says "Terminal I" for international, but afaik the old and new terminal are operating international flights. Can anyone clear this up?
Airports 2019: ADB, ALG, AMD, ATL, BOG, BOS, CDG, CTS, DEL, DTW, DUS, EWR, FRA, FUK, HAM, HFT, HIJ, HND, HVG, IST, ITM, JFK, MUC, NGO, NUE, OKA, PHL, SIN, STN, TOS, YYZ, ZRH
Airports 2020: ALG, CTS, FRA, HKG, HND, MSQ, MUC, NUE, TLV, ZRH
 
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Re: Algerian Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Jan 19, 2020 4:03 am

brodeurprice wrote:
Blerg wrote:
dabc wrote:
As per amadeus, AC Rouge YUL-ALG in S20 will be 4 weekly 763ER vs 5 weekly 333 AC in S19

Air Algerie will maintain same number of flights : 8 weekly (Daily + second flight each Tuesday)


So that's quite a downgrade then (Rouge). Good news for Air Algerie I guess.


I’m curious as to what loads look like on the ALG op for AC after seeing this. It would be interesting see the reasons behind the downgrade.


Air Canada was using the ex. TAP 330s on YUL-ALG which had 3 more seats then a Rouge 767.

The 5th weekly flight is now been used to increase YUL-LIS to 5 weekly.
 
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Re: Algerian Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Jan 19, 2020 1:01 pm

conaly wrote:
I will travel FRA-ALG in February again on Lufthansa. So I'm asking the same question, I did last year :D Does anybody know, in which terminal Lufthansa operates today? Last time I've been there, the new terminal was already in operation, but LH was still operating from the old one.

Unfortunately, Lufthansa's booking page still says "Terminal I" for international, but afaik the old and new terminal are operating international flights. Can anyone clear this up?


LH and all other European airliners are operating in the new terminal (Terminal Ouest)

The old international terminal (T1) is used by North Afrian / ME / Turkish airlines (Hall 1) and Air Algerie / Tassili Airlines for the domestic flighs (Hall 2)
 
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Re: Algerian Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Jan 20, 2020 12:16 am

Perfect, thanks for update!
Airports 2019: ADB, ALG, AMD, ATL, BOG, BOS, CDG, CTS, DEL, DTW, DUS, EWR, FRA, FUK, HAM, HFT, HIJ, HND, HVG, IST, ITM, JFK, MUC, NGO, NUE, OKA, PHL, SIN, STN, TOS, YYZ, ZRH
Airports 2020: ALG, CTS, FRA, HKG, HND, MSQ, MUC, NUE, TLV, ZRH
 
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Re: Algerian Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Feb 18, 2020 3:38 pm

Transavia France will open 3 new routes MPL-ALG, MPL-ORN and MPL-CZL in S20, 2 weekly each

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https://www.midilibre.fr/2020/02/17/tra ... 738569.php
 
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Re: Algerian Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Feb 18, 2020 3:49 pm

Air France Group’s companies launch 17 routes to Algeria on departure from Paris and the French regions

https://corporate.airfrance.com/en/news ... ch-regions

Air France will launch 5 new routes to Algiers and Oran -

- Paris Orly-Algiers: up to 14 weekly flights all year-round as from 4 April 2020
- Marseille-Algiers: up to 7 weekly flights all year-round as from 4 April 2020
- Toulouse-Algiers: up to 4 weekly flights all year-round as from 4 April 2020
- Toulouse-Oran: up to 4 weekly flights all year-round as from 4 April 2020
- Nice-Algiers: up to 2 weekly flights from 14 July to 27 August 2020

Transvia will also launch 12 routes to 6 destinations -

- Paris Orly-Algiers: 14 weekly flights as from 4 April 2020
- Paris Orly-Bejaia: 3 weekly flights (Monday, Wednesday, Friday) as from 4 April 2020
- Paris Orly-Constantine: 3 weekly flights (Tuesday, Thursday, Sunday) as from 4 April 2020
- Paris Orly-Oran: 6 weekly flights (Monday to Saturday) as from 4 April 2020
- Paris Orly-Setif: 2 weekly flights (Tuesday, Friday) as from 4 April 2020
- Paris Orly-Tlemcen: 2 weekly flights (Wednesday, Saturday) as from 11 April 2020
- Lyon-Bejaia: 1 weekly flight (Wednesday) as from 22 April 2020
- Lyon-Constantine: 1 weekly flight (Sunday) as from 26 April 2020
- Lyon-Oran: 2 weekly flights (Tuesday, Saturday) as from 21 April 2020
- Montpellier-Algiers: 2 weekly flights (Wednesday, Saturday) as from 8 July 2020
- Montpellier-Constantine: 2 weekly flights (Tuesday, Saturday) as from 11 July 2020
- Montpellier-Oran: 2 weekly flights (Monday, Friday) as from 6 July 2020

Transavia will also triple its frequencies between Lyon and Algiers, with 6 weekly flights.
 
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Re: Algerian Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Feb 18, 2020 9:12 pm

Is Algeria-France open sky? What are the limitations?
Great for the passengers that Aigle Azur capacity is replaced, some of the routes I believe were operated in the past by AF (MRS-ALG comes to mind)
 
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Re: Algerian Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Feb 18, 2020 10:12 pm

A330Inter wrote:
Is Algeria-France open sky? What are the limitations?
Great for the passengers that Aigle Azur capacity is replaced, some of the routes I believe were operated in the past by AF (MRS-ALG comes to mind)


If it was it would have to be with the whole of Europe
 
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Re: Algerian Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Feb 19, 2020 7:58 am

A330Inter wrote:
Is Algeria-France open sky? What are the limitations?
Great for the passengers that Aigle Azur capacity is replaced, some of the routes I believe were operated in the past by AF (MRS-ALG comes to mind)


No, there is no Opensky between Algeria and Europe even if Algiers-Paris is the 1st Africa-Europe city pair route by number of passengers
 
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Re: Algerian Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Feb 26, 2020 10:56 am

Tassili Airlines will open two new domestic routes

Algiers – Mascara eff 26MAR20 2 weekly (47) Dash8-200

Algiers – Mecheria eff 04MAR20 3 weekly (367) Dash8-200


As a consequence Air Algerie will not open Algiers-Mecheria via EL Bayadh

AH will open 4 new domestic routes using ATR72

Algiers-Tiaret 2 weekly
Algiers-El Bayadh 2 weekly
Oran-El Bayadh 1 weekly
Oran-Mecheria 1 weekly

For Algiers-Boussada, still not clear which company will reopen this route
 
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Re: Algerian Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:07 pm

Air Algerie started the cabin retrofit for 16 737-800 acquired before 2015 (VJK-VJP et VKA-VKJ)

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https://www.facebook.com/AirAlgerieFans ... =3&theater
 
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Re: Algerian Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Sep 29, 2020 2:22 pm

Transavia has opened the booking for S21

ORY-ALG : 3 daily (1 night stop)
ORY-ORN: 9 weekly
ORY-CZL: 3 weekly
ORY-BJA: 5 weekly
ORY-TLM: 2 weekly
ORY-QSF : 2 weekly

LYS-ALG : 6 weekly
LYS-ORN : 2 weekly
LYS-CZL : 1 weekly
LYS-BJA : 1 weekly

NTE-ALG : 3 weekly
NTE-ORN : 3 weekly
 
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Re: Algerian Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Nov 06, 2020 8:56 pm

dabc wrote:
A330Inter wrote:
Is Algeria-France open sky? What are the limitations?
Great for the passengers that Aigle Azur capacity is replaced, some of the routes I believe were operated in the past by AF (MRS-ALG comes to mind)


No, there is no Opensky between Algeria and Europe even if Algiers-Paris is the 1st Africa-Europe city pair route by number of passengers


That brings up a question I’ve always asked myself: why don’t airlines deploy more capacity on these flights ? IIRC Air Algérie operates the A330 on some flights to Paris but Air France continues to fly the A320. Flights, especially during the summer, are regularly sold out for weeks or months on end, so why not deploy the A321 or a widebody to boost capacity ? Does it have to do with aircraft availability or are frequencies capped to a certain capacity ?
 
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Re: Algerian Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Nov 07, 2020 12:13 pm

brodeurprice wrote:
dabc wrote:
A330Inter wrote:
Is Algeria-France open sky? What are the limitations?
Great for the passengers that Aigle Azur capacity is replaced, some of the routes I believe were operated in the past by AF (MRS-ALG comes to mind)


No, there is no Opensky between Algeria and Europe even if Algiers-Paris is the 1st Africa-Europe city pair route by number of passengers


That brings up a question I’ve always asked myself: why don’t airlines deploy more capacity on these flights ? IIRC Air Algérie operates the A330 on some flights to Paris but Air France continues to fly the A320. Flights, especially during the summer, are regularly sold out for weeks or months on end, so why not deploy the A321 or a widebody to boost capacity ? Does it have to do with aircraft availability or are frequencies capped to a certain capacity ?


Air France at times have gone up to 5 daily flights between Paris and Algiers. Then you also have Lufthansa, Vueling, Iberia/Air Nostrum, Transavia, Alitalia, etc all also offering services to mainland Europe. I travel extensively between Europe and Algeria, and have never battled to find a flight. Maybe Air Algerie are using the 330's more for their extra freight, rather than pax capacity.
 
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Re: Algerian Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Nov 07, 2020 12:51 pm

contractdog wrote:
brodeurprice wrote:
dabc wrote:

No, there is no Opensky between Algeria and Europe even if Algiers-Paris is the 1st Africa-Europe city pair route by number of passengers


That brings up a question I’ve always asked myself: why don’t airlines deploy more capacity on these flights ? IIRC Air Algérie operates the A330 on some flights to Paris but Air France continues to fly the A320. Flights, especially during the summer, are regularly sold out for weeks or months on end, so why not deploy the A321 or a widebody to boost capacity ? Does it have to do with aircraft availability or are frequencies capped to a certain capacity ?


Air France at times have gone up to 5 daily flights between Paris and Algiers. Then you also have Lufthansa, Vueling, Iberia/Air Nostrum, Transavia, Alitalia, etc all also offering services to mainland Europe. I travel extensively between Europe and Algeria, and have never battled to find a flight. Maybe Air Algerie are using the 330's more for their extra freight, rather than pax capacity.


Summer flights are sold out for both airlines indeed but for the rest of the year Air Algerie load factor are not that high actually (<80%)
I'm curious if Air France flies 2-cabin aicraft on this market, their full Economy A320/A321 would probably be extra efficient on this market, compared with Air Algerie's premium heavy A330s
 
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Re: Algerian Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Nov 07, 2020 1:34 pm

A330Inter wrote:
contractdog wrote:
brodeurprice wrote:

That brings up a question I’ve always asked myself: why don’t airlines deploy more capacity on these flights ? IIRC Air Algérie operates the A330 on some flights to Paris but Air France continues to fly the A320. Flights, especially during the summer, are regularly sold out for weeks or months on end, so why not deploy the A321 or a widebody to boost capacity ? Does it have to do with aircraft availability or are frequencies capped to a certain capacity ?


Air France at times have gone up to 5 daily flights between Paris and Algiers. Then you also have Lufthansa, Vueling, Iberia/Air Nostrum, Transavia, Alitalia, etc all also offering services to mainland Europe. I travel extensively between Europe and Algeria, and have never battled to find a flight. Maybe Air Algerie are using the 330's more for their extra freight, rather than pax capacity.


Summer flights are sold out for both airlines indeed but for the rest of the year Air Algerie load factor are not that high actually (<80%)
I'm curious if Air France flies 2-cabin aicraft on this market, their full Economy A320/A321 would probably be extra efficient on this market, compared with Air Algerie's premium heavy A330s


With a lot of Oil and Gas workers moving between work, and home (all over the globe), there is actually quite a steady demand for a premium product. Most of the larger OGP companies fly their crews around business class. The rare occasion I've used AF (I detest CDG), it's always been a 2 cabin aircraft. Even IB via Air Nostrum/IB connect, have 2 cabin product on their CRJ 900/1000's that they use between MAD and ALG.
 
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Re: Algerian Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Nov 09, 2020 5:59 pm

contractdog wrote:
brodeurprice wrote:
dabc wrote:

No, there is no Opensky between Algeria and Europe even if Algiers-Paris is the 1st Africa-Europe city pair route by number of passengers


That brings up a question I’ve always asked myself: why don’t airlines deploy more capacity on these flights ? IIRC Air Algérie operates the A330 on some flights to Paris but Air France continues to fly the A320. Flights, especially during the summer, are regularly sold out for weeks or months on end, so why not deploy the A321 or a widebody to boost capacity ? Does it have to do with aircraft availability or are frequencies capped to a certain capacity ?


Air France at times have gone up to 5 daily flights between Paris and Algiers. Then you also have Lufthansa, Vueling, Iberia/Air Nostrum, Transavia, Alitalia, etc all also offering services to mainland Europe. I travel extensively between Europe and Algeria, and have never battled to find a flight. Maybe Air Algerie are using the 330's more for their extra freight, rather than pax capacity.


Ah, I didn’t consider the cargo aspect, thanks for your insight !
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Re: Algerian Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Nov 09, 2020 6:00 pm

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Re: Algerian Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Nov 09, 2020 6:00 pm

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