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lightmac
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How did Berlin Tegel recover so quickly after Air Berlin's collapse?

Wed Jan 01, 2020 9:00 pm

Even though Tegel airport was built as a purely O&D airport during the cold war, when Air Berlin was used it as a hub in the 2010's, they did generate a significant amount of transfer passengers, for example from Scandinavian cities to Southern Europe or the US and also from smaller European cities to the capitals etc. Tegel now
has more passengers just two years after Air Berlin's collapse, even though many of AB's destinations have never returned (JFK, Dubai/Abu Dhabi, Florida, Chicago) and no other airline has attempted to use Tegel as a hub in the maintiem, while easyjet picked up mostly the P2P traffic. So how did Tegel airport recover the loss of its major airline and only hub-carrier in no time at all?
 
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Re: How did Berlin Tegel recover so quickly after Air Berlin's collapse?

Wed Jan 01, 2020 9:12 pm

Easyjet is your answer.

Basically U2 took what was profitable / operationally sound from Air Berlin and run it well. Coupled with U2 already being a fairly sizeable operator in Berlin it was a good additional feather in their cap.

The long haul ops that you mention at AB we’re never very profitable or large % of traffic.

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Re: How did Berlin Tegel recover so quickly after Air Berlin's collapse?

Wed Jan 01, 2020 9:45 pm

As you described, TXL is mainly O&D, that is why it recovered so fast. Air Berlin expected BER to be it's hub. The delay of BER was one nail in the coffin of Air Berlin, as TXL does not support hub operation.
 
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Re: How did Berlin Tegel recover so quickly after Air Berlin's collapse?

Wed Jan 01, 2020 11:06 pm

mjoelnir wrote:
As you described, TXL is mainly O&D, that is why it recovered so fast. Air Berlin expected BER to be it's hub. The delay of BER was one nail in the coffin of Air Berlin, as TXL does not support hub operation.


Indeed, Air Berlin's long haul operation at TXL was a gigantic mess. TXL cannot efficiently handle so many wide body aircraft arriving at the same time. I flew into TXL from JFK in August 2017, about a week before Air Berlin announced they would be shutting down by October of that year. The flight was about 2/3 full and we departed early, arrived early, and thankfully, it was a sunny and warm morning. We parked all the way at the far end of the airport, alongside the fence, were bussed to a temporary terminal for Passport control and baggage claim which took 45 minutes to clear. A few other AB flights from the US arrived around the same time.
 
lightmac
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Re: How did Berlin Tegel recover so quickly after Air Berlin's collapse?

Thu Jan 02, 2020 7:43 am

Well, as stated easyjet does/did NOT take over all the traffic, since they do NOT hub. So easyjet's presence does NOT explain the rapid recovery fully.
 
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Re: How did Berlin Tegel recover so quickly after Air Berlin's collapse?

Thu Jan 02, 2020 7:56 am

lightmac wrote:
Well, as stated easyjet does/did NOT take over all the traffic, since they do NOT hub. So easyjet's presence does NOT explain the rapid recovery fully.


True!
For HUB and intercontinental flights, all the capacity was covered by LH, BA, AF, KL, SK, etc.
Air Berlin had no really unique destination. Thus, above mentioned players could HUB the travellers via their own hubs.
 
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Re: How did Berlin Tegel recover so quickly after Air Berlin's collapse?

Thu Jan 02, 2020 8:01 am

lightmac wrote:
Well, as stated easyjet does/did NOT take over all the traffic, since they do NOT hub. So easyjet's presence does NOT explain the rapid recovery fully.

You may wish to review the first sentence in Reply#3..........
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Re: How did Berlin Tegel recover so quickly after Air Berlin's collapse?

Thu Jan 02, 2020 8:07 am

The main reason is a general stable traffic growth in Berlin not only by easyJet. Airlines moved from Schönefeld airport to Tegel and filled any gaps left by aiberlin.
Tegel is overcrowded and not as much fun to use anymore but easier to reach and still prefered to run down and remote Schönefeld by most travellers.
 
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Re: How did Berlin Tegel recover so quickly after Air Berlin's collapse?

Thu Jan 02, 2020 8:45 am

lightmac wrote:
Well, as stated easyjet does/did NOT take over all the traffic, since they do NOT hub. So easyjet's presence does NOT explain the rapid recovery fully.


Easyjet has huge operation in TXL. Coupled with SXF, Berlin is their second biggest base overall.
Other airlines expanded after the collapse of AB.
Ryanair started operations from TXL and has a few airplanes based there.

AB long haul ops weren´t that big and didn´t account for much traffic at TXL. They had a bigger Long Haul network out of DUS.
 
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Re: How did Berlin Tegel recover so quickly after Air Berlin's collapse?

Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:19 am

Air Berlin also used to be quite expensive.

With AB’s collapse, easyJet and Ryanair opened routes left and right. More competition = lower prices = more demand.
 
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Re: How did Berlin Tegel recover so quickly after Air Berlin's collapse?

Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:48 am

How are Eurowings and Ryanair doing in Berlin these days?
 
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Re: How did Berlin Tegel recover so quickly after Air Berlin's collapse?

Thu Jan 02, 2020 12:13 pm

Blerg wrote:
How are Eurowings and Ryanair doing in Berlin these days?


Eurowings operations are quite limited in TXL.
I expected them to grow much more, especially after AB demise.
But they didn´t. They are concentrated in the West of the Country, DUS and CGN mostly.
I also had expected EW to start long haul ops out of TXL but nothing came out of it.

Ryanair started with 4 machines on behalf of the newly acquired Laudamotion but eventually they started basing more aircrafts
and operating their own FR numbered flights. I am not sure how many they have now based in TXL but I think less than 10.

In terms of Long Haul at the moment there isn´t that much at TXL.
Scoot has a daily connection to SIN, UA to EWR, QR to DOH, MIAT to Ulan Batoor via Moscow.
If I´m not wrong AA, DL and Air Canada Rouge only come in Summer.
Maybe I´m forgetting something.

I hope the situation will change once BER is open.

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