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why 2L boarding door on DL 75's?

Thu Jan 02, 2020 6:35 pm

Anyone know what DL reason for boarding through the 2L door on their 757's? It seems very undesirable for the passengers in first when de-planing. You lose the privilege of being first off if you are in a hurry.

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Re: why 2L boarding door on DL 75's?

Thu Jan 02, 2020 6:40 pm

delta762 wrote:
Anyone know what DL reason for boarding through the 2L door on their 757's? It seems very undesirable for the passengers in first when de-planing. You lose the privilege of being first off if you are in a hurry.

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Don't most carriers board and deboard 752s through 2L? FI and UA certainly do from recent experience. 2L boarding is a huge efficiency advantage at boarding, for one thing, and also gives the people up front the ego boost of "turn left" (don't laugh; this is a big thing to some of those folks). And you don't necessarily lose the privilege when disembarking either - cabin crew can hold back the coach pax to allow premium cabin passengers off first.
 
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Re: why 2L boarding door on DL 75's?

Thu Jan 02, 2020 6:48 pm

I’m going to guess 1) faster boarding/deplaning and 2) keeps coach passengers out of F when the FAs are greeting the F passengers.
 
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Re: why 2L boarding door on DL 75's?

Thu Jan 02, 2020 6:50 pm

Almost all airlines do this with their 757s. It's faster, and while disembarking might be a slightly less elite experience for those in first, boarding, a much longer process, is far more pleasant. An extra 30 seconds to get off the plane is well worth it if it means you can avoid 150 people crowding your space for 30 minutes during boarding.
 
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Re: why 2L boarding door on DL 75's?

Thu Jan 02, 2020 6:53 pm

It's a much more pleasant boarding experience for F passengers. The cabin is much calmer and the flight attendants are able to easily hand out drinks. I'd much rather have that at the expense of an extra 30-60 seconds deboarding upon arrival.
 
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Re: why 2L boarding door on DL 75's?

Thu Jan 02, 2020 7:21 pm

The only times I have seen a 757 boarded through 1L is at stations where 2L wasn't possible.

At ALB for example, when UA/DL would operate the 752 during peak periods, the jetway configuration there wouldn't allow the plane to board through 2L (the plane would hit the terminal building) so they used 1L.
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Re: why 2L boarding door on DL 75's?

Thu Jan 02, 2020 7:24 pm

delta762 wrote:
Anyone know what DL reason for boarding through the 2L door on their 757's? It seems very undesirable for the passengers in first when de-planing. You lose the privilege of being first off if you are in a hurry.

Delta762


I've ssen inflight crews hold Y pax from deplaning by standing in the aisle until F (reasonably) deplanes. It's a much better experience on any airplane in my opinion boarding at the mid door.
 
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Re: why 2L boarding door on DL 75's?

Thu Jan 02, 2020 7:25 pm

As someone in first class on 757 a lot, I love 2L boarding. Wouldn't have it any other way, keeps the economy class out of the cabin and makes life easier for the FAs for coat hanging and pre-departure drinks.

I remember in NW MEM hub days there was a gate that was always 1L, and that was the last time I ever boarded that way.
 
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Re: why 2L boarding door on DL 75's?

Thu Jan 02, 2020 7:31 pm

On DL planes, there is one 757 configuration that has Y class when you turn left, so holding the Y passengers would be awkward there.
 
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Re: why 2L boarding door on DL 75's?

Thu Jan 02, 2020 7:33 pm

Ziyulu wrote:
On DL planes, there is one 757 configuration that has Y class when you turn left, so holding the Y passengers would be awkward there.


That one has Comfort+ before F.
 
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Re: why 2L boarding door on DL 75's?

Thu Jan 02, 2020 7:35 pm

2L boarding is fantastic. More planes should be built that way! Much quicker boarding and deplaning. You don’t have to wait for a super slow first class passenger when they are moving slow..
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Re: why 2L boarding door on DL 75's?

Thu Jan 02, 2020 9:06 pm

DL regularly uses door 2L on their 767-400s as well, when the terminal configuration allows it. It makes the forward cabin much calmer during boarding. During disembarking cabin crew who were seated in the jumpseats at 2L&R will then usually stand in the aisle to hold back the main cabin passengers until the forward cabin has been cleared.
 
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Re: why 2L boarding door on DL 75's?

Thu Jan 02, 2020 9:20 pm

I love the 757 L2 boarding. I wish the A321s would do it as well. As someone who seeks out the DL 757s where possible. I wont lie, turning left is an ego boost lol

But it is also nice for boarding and deplaning. So much nicer not having 150 people walk by crowding up the aisle. And getting off is a breeze.
 
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Re: why 2L boarding door on DL 75's?

Thu Jan 02, 2020 9:23 pm

Elementalism wrote:
I love the 757 L2 boarding. I wish the A321s would do it as well. As someone who seeks out the DL 757s where possible. I wont lie, turning left is an ego boost lol

But it is also nice for boarding and deplaning. So much nicer not having 150 people walk by crowding up the aisle. And getting off is a breeze.


The nacelle is too close on the 321 to do it, and anyway the 2L door on future build 321s is going away.
 
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Re: why 2L boarding door on DL 75's?

Thu Jan 02, 2020 9:49 pm

Not a big fan. Deprives me of the ability to sneeze, have a coughing fit (or worse) as I pass through first class on my way back to steerage class.
 
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Re: why 2L boarding door on DL 75's?

Thu Jan 02, 2020 9:54 pm

I worked on the 757 for many years as crew, and can say we always boarded using 2L and if on remote would board through 2L and 4L. It is also easier for the pax up front as they don’t have an entire economy cabin walking past as they tried to settle after boarding. Also goes along with most wide bodies, they will board through the L2 door, creating the same situation during disembarking.
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Re: why 2L boarding door on DL 75's?

Fri Jan 03, 2020 12:33 am

As someone who books F and loves the 757, I do not feel entitled to be first off the plane. That is not a benefit included in the ticket. Anyone who thinks otherwise needs to get over themselves.
 
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Re: why 2L boarding door on DL 75's?

Fri Jan 03, 2020 1:25 am

Also the 757 is the longest narrowbody, of course, and boarding through L2 can allow the aircraft to park closer in, saving space on the apron for aircraft movements.
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Re: why 2L boarding door on DL 75's?

Fri Jan 03, 2020 1:25 am

catiii wrote:
Elementalism wrote:
I love the 757 L2 boarding. I wish the A321s would do it as well. As someone who seeks out the DL 757s where possible. I wont lie, turning left is an ego boost lol

But it is also nice for boarding and deplaning. So much nicer not having 150 people walk by crowding up the aisle. And getting off is a breeze.


The nacelle is too close on the 321 to do it, and anyway the 2L door on future build 321s is going away.


While it's not so common now, airlines such as LH have most certainly used 2L on the A321 for boarding and deboarding as seen....

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Re: why 2L boarding door on DL 75's?

Fri Jan 03, 2020 2:07 am

Elementalism wrote:
I love the 757 L2 boarding. I wish the A321s would do it as well. As someone who seeks out the DL 757s where possible. I wont lie, turning left is an ego boost lol

But it is also nice for boarding and deplaning. So much nicer not having 150 people walk by crowding up the aisle. And getting off is a breeze.


This is a noticeable service downgrade as the even-denser-than-the-757 A321 and 737-900ER become the primary 175-200 seaters at Delta. On quick turns or if you get your galley late, it is very difficult for the flight attendants to do pre-departure beverages or hang coats on the newer airplanes. On the 757 using 2L, you can easily get a predeparture beverage service out even on a quick turn, and passengers can use the lavatory before they settle in - which again is much more difficult on the even denser new airplanes. Not a huge deal - but especially as a flight attendant 2L boarding made a difference.
 
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Re: why 2L boarding door on DL 75's?

Fri Jan 03, 2020 3:02 am

TW870 wrote:
Elementalism wrote:
I love the 757 L2 boarding. I wish the A321s would do it as well. As someone who seeks out the DL 757s where possible. I wont lie, turning left is an ego boost lol

But it is also nice for boarding and deplaning. So much nicer not having 150 people walk by crowding up the aisle. And getting off is a breeze.


This is a noticeable service downgrade as the even-denser-than-the-757 A321 and 737-900ER become the primary 175-200 seaters at Delta. On quick turns or if you get your galley late, it is very difficult for the flight attendants to do pre-departure beverages or hang coats on the newer airplanes. On the 757 using 2L, you can easily get a predeparture beverage service out even on a quick turn, and passengers can use the lavatory before they settle in - which again is much more difficult on the even denser new airplanes. Not a huge deal - but especially as a flight attendant 2L boarding made a difference.



Yeah it is a shame the 757s are on their last decade of service. The A321 isnt too bad but the 900ERs are like a cattle train. Though neither compare to the 757 when it comes to service.

Maybe we get lucky and the 797 or hypothetical A322\323 can fill that role and have a more usable L2 on a NB.
 
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Re: why 2L boarding door on DL 75's?

Fri Jan 03, 2020 3:02 am

2L makes it more pleasant and efficient for all. F is such a calm experience during boarding. Also makes deplaning more efficient with two queues alternating out the door.
 
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Re: why 2L boarding door on DL 75's?

Fri Jan 03, 2020 3:10 am

Ziyulu wrote:
On DL planes, there is one 757 configuration that has Y class when you turn left, so holding the Y passengers would be awkward there.

I've found that with this config. there are always several people who have to 'swim back upstream" since they automatically turned right when boarding, not realizing their seat was to the left of L2. And personally, with Comfort + clustered around the lav, I've found it to be a 'crappy' config. for a supposedly premium class.
 
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Re: why 2L boarding door on DL 75's?

Fri Jan 03, 2020 3:28 am

Every decent sized commercial aeroplane should be built so that the main boarding door is just aft of first class! Must be my left preference coming through! :D
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Re: why 2L boarding door on DL 75's?

Fri Jan 03, 2020 3:30 am

IADCA wrote:
delta762 wrote:
Anyone know what DL reason for boarding through the 2L door on their 757's? It seems very undesirable for the passengers in first when de-planing. You lose the privilege of being first off if you are in a hurry.

Delta762


Don't most carriers board and deboard 752s through 2L? FI and UA certainly do from recent experience. 2L boarding is a huge efficiency advantage at boarding, for one thing, and also gives the people up front the ego boost of "turn left" (don't laugh; this is a big thing to some of those folks). And you don't necessarily lose the privilege when disembarking either - cabin crew can hold back the coach pax to allow premium cabin passengers off first.


AA boards and deplanes via 1L on their 757s at least from my experience at DFW and PHL.
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Re: why 2L boarding door on DL 75's?

Fri Jan 03, 2020 3:46 am

ctrabs0114 wrote:
IADCA wrote:
delta762 wrote:
Anyone know what DL reason for boarding through the 2L door on their 757's? It seems very undesirable for the passengers in first when de-planing. You lose the privilege of being first off if you are in a hurry.

Delta762


Don't most carriers board and deboard 752s through 2L? FI and UA certainly do from recent experience. 2L boarding is a huge efficiency advantage at boarding, for one thing, and also gives the people up front the ego boost of "turn left" (don't laugh; this is a big thing to some of those folks). And you don't necessarily lose the privilege when disembarking either - cabin crew can hold back the coach pax to allow premium cabin passengers off first.


AA boards and deplanes via 1L on their 757s at least from my experience at DFW and PHL.


It depends on the gate used. I flew PHL-AMS a few years ago out of A-East and we definitely used 2L.
 
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Re: why 2L boarding door on DL 75's?

Fri Jan 03, 2020 3:51 am

Also keeps coach pax from stuffing their bags above my head when the FAs aren't policing them.
 
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Re: why 2L boarding door on DL 75's?

Fri Jan 03, 2020 4:05 am

Turn left or turn around.
 
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Re: why 2L boarding door on DL 75's?

Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:11 am

Lootess wrote:
Ziyulu wrote:
On DL planes, there is one 757 configuration that has Y class when you turn left, so holding the Y passengers would be awkward there.


That one has Comfort+ before F.


I think those are the 75H - the 5600 series PMNW birds and some others. N5**US. I know they fly West Coast-Hawaii among other routes. The Y+ seats had the first gen IFE screens with the card slots.
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Re: why 2L boarding door on DL 75's?

Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:57 am

It wasn't always that way on DL on 757's. I was a gate agent back in the 80's and 90's and most of the time back then we used 1L. Not sure when they figured out the 2L door made more sense as I moved on to other areas.
 
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Re: why 2L boarding door on DL 75's?

Fri Jan 03, 2020 11:32 am

usflyer msp wrote:
ctrabs0114 wrote:
IADCA wrote:

Don't most carriers board and deboard 752s through 2L? FI and UA certainly do from recent experience. 2L boarding is a huge efficiency advantage at boarding, for one thing, and also gives the people up front the ego boost of "turn left" (don't laugh; this is a big thing to some of those folks). And you don't necessarily lose the privilege when disembarking either - cabin crew can hold back the coach pax to allow premium cabin passengers off first.


AA boards and deplanes via 1L on their 757s at least from my experience at DFW and PHL.


It depends on the gate used. I flew PHL-AMS a few years ago out of A-East and we definitely used 2L.


The legacy AA B757s specifically I believe were configured for door L1 use and AA’s gate layouts pre-merger were generally designed to support this systemwide. This isn’t to say that they sometimes utilize L2; there are constraints with jetbridge retraction/extension, gate depth, and hydrant pit placement that will drive the use of a different door. But the placement of row 10 seems to indicate that door 2 is more intended for emergency egress than regular passenger enplaning/deplaning.

I think the row of seats at L2 on the LUS aircraft are set further back since they were historically a door 2 operation for their B757s.

From a customer experience standpoint I think it’s fair to say that L2 is preferable to L1, which is probably why DL has standardized use for door 2.
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Re: why 2L boarding door on DL 75's?

Fri Jan 03, 2020 11:58 am

Gingersnap wrote:
catiii wrote:
Elementalism wrote:
I love the 757 L2 boarding. I wish the A321s would do it as well. As someone who seeks out the DL 757s where possible. I wont lie, turning left is an ego boost lol

But it is also nice for boarding and deplaning. So much nicer not having 150 people walk by crowding up the aisle. And getting off is a breeze.


The nacelle is too close on the 321 to do it, and anyway the 2L door on future build 321s is going away.


While it's not so common now, airlines such as LH have most certainly used 2L on the A321 for boarding and deboarding as seen....

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In order to dock to L2 on the A321, the jetbridge needs to be specifically modified to ensure clearance from the engine is maintained. I also wouldn’t be surprised if there is a specific procedure/additional training in place for operators due to the reduced clearance which is probably another reason why door 2 docking never really caught on with this type.

There’s an interior component as well; some airlines have included a cutout in the overhead bins at door 2, although I believe the majority do not.
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Re: why 2L boarding door on DL 75's?

Fri Jan 03, 2020 1:24 pm

IFlyVeryLittle wrote:
Not a big fan. Deprives me of the ability to sneeze, have a coughing fit (or worse) as I pass through first class on my way back to steerage class.
so you’re the guy who crop dusts first class. :vomit:
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Re: why 2L boarding door on DL 75's?

Fri Jan 03, 2020 3:43 pm

I’ve always been curious why so few 767’s do not have 2L/R forward of the wings while it was standard on the 757.
 
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Re: why 2L boarding door on DL 75's?

Fri Jan 03, 2020 6:00 pm

N126DL wrote:
Lootess wrote:
Ziyulu wrote:
On DL planes, there is one 757 configuration that has Y class when you turn left, so holding the Y passengers would be awkward there.


That one has Comfort+ before F.


I think those are the 75H - the 5600 series PMNW birds and some others. N5**US. I know they fly West Coast-Hawaii among other routes. The Y+ seats had the first gen IFE screens with the card slots.


It’s actually all of the domestic 752 fleet now. The 75D/G/H are all configured with 15 Y+ forward of the 2L boarding door.

The 75S and 753 are the only 757’s remaining with premium class only in front of 2L.
 
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Re: why 2L boarding door on DL 75's?

Fri Jan 03, 2020 6:14 pm

As my friend always says, “When boarding, turn left or turn around.”
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Re: why 2L boarding door on DL 75's?

Fri Jan 03, 2020 6:18 pm

Interestingly ... it also changes seat strategy ... if you're in the $$$ seats, the last row is actually more desirable as you're now one of the first off the airplane ... ;-)

DL's 764 in the old days was the same way ... boarded through L2, and there was this whole little almost private section of elite upgrade seats (because that's pretty much who always got them) right behind first class.
 
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Re: why 2L boarding door on DL 75's?

Fri Jan 03, 2020 6:20 pm

EA CO AS wrote:
As my friend always says, “When boarding, turn left or turn around.”


I agree with your friend!
 
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Fri Jan 03, 2020 6:30 pm

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It’s actually all of the domestic 752 fleet now. The 75D/G/H are all configured with 15 Y+ forward of the 2L boarding door.

The 75S and 753 are the only 757’s remaining with premium class only in front of 2L.


New knowledge for me today. Thanks! 75S are the lie flats?
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Re: why 2L boarding door on DL 75's?

Fri Jan 03, 2020 7:39 pm

catiii wrote:

The nacelle is too close on the 321 to do it, and anyway the 2L door on future build 321s is going away.


Well, I actually have boarded a 321 through 2L, that was LH in Frankfurt. But you are right, the nacelle is very close to the jetway.
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Re: why 2L boarding door on DL 75's?

Sat Jan 04, 2020 1:29 am

N126DL wrote:
NW747-400 wrote:
It’s actually all of the domestic 752 fleet now. The 75D/G/H are all configured with 15 Y+ forward of the 2L boarding door.

The 75S and 753 are the only 757’s remaining with premium class only in front of 2L.


New knowledge for me today. Thanks! 75S are the lie flats?

Yeah 75S is the delta (maybe industry code) for a 757 with an international configuration ie lie flat beds.
 
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Re: why 2L boarding door on DL 75's?

Sat Jan 04, 2020 2:11 am

On an AA flight from MIA to JFK a few weeks ago, we boarded through 1L - on a 777-200. First (and probably last) time I'll ever experience that!
 
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Re: why 2L boarding door on DL 75's?

Sat Jan 04, 2020 2:17 am

I flew on Delta 757 N540US yesterday. We boarded on 2L. But on arrival, we exited from 1L.
 
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Re: why 2L boarding door on DL 75's?

Sat Jan 04, 2020 2:20 am

Elementalism wrote:
I love the 757 L2 boarding. I wish the A321s would do it as well. As someone who seeks out the DL 757s where possible. I wont lie, turning left is an ego boost lol

But it is also nice for boarding and deplaning. So much nicer not having 150 people walk by crowding up the aisle. And getting off is a breeze.


American tried that on the A321s. But L2 is too close to the wing. (This may also be why Airbus deleted door L2 from the A321neo (Cabin Flex).

As for the 767, R2/L2 is an option, no US carrier took it up via a direct order except Continental (but Continental sold its slots to GECAS prior to delivery). 3 of the 5 B763s ordered have been converted to freighters since, with one now owned by Delta and one by Atlas Air. Having 8 doors was more popular in Europe since European carriers wanted to go near full capacity (Y328-336 wasn't uncommon on European B763s, with an exit door limit of 351).

One surprise for me is Condor---and why they chose 4 doors and 4 overwing exits instead of 8 doors.
 
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Re: why 2L boarding door on DL 75's?

Sat Jan 04, 2020 2:39 am

Gingersnap wrote:
catiii wrote:
Elementalism wrote:
I love the 757 L2 boarding. I wish the A321s would do it as well. As someone who seeks out the DL 757s where possible. I wont lie, turning left is an ego boost lol

But it is also nice for boarding and deplaning. So much nicer not having 150 people walk by crowding up the aisle. And getting off is a breeze.


The nacelle is too close on the 321 to do it, and anyway the 2L door on future build 321s is going away.


While it's not so common now, airlines such as LH have most certainly used 2L on the A321 for boarding and deboarding as seen....

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You're correct. I've boarded both LH and AC 321s at L2. But that was 10+ years ago, and after numerous accidents most, if not all operators have abandoned the practice.

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