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Chinese passenger ordered to pay 123,358 yuan (US$17,712) for throwing coins at a plane engine

Thu Jan 02, 2020 9:52 pm

Kunming-based Lucky Air, an affiliation of Hainan Airlines, has obtained a court order for the payment of 123,358 yuan (US$17,712) from a Chinese passenger who threw two coins at an engine of one of their planes. Although the coins did not enter the engine the airline sued for compensation due to costs incurred as the flight was cancelled, maintenance had to be done, passengers had to be accommodated and compensated. There has been a number of other cases where superstitious passengers had thrown coins at aircraft engines.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7845263/Passenger-ordered-pay-Chinese-airline-13-000-throwing-two-coins-planes-engine.html
 
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Re: Chinese passenger ordered to pay 123,358 yuan (US$17,712) for throwing coins at a plane engine

Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:10 pm

Good ! Anyone acting stupidly costing a company - not just an airline - money to right their wrongs should be made to pay for their actions.
 
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Re: Chinese passenger ordered to pay 123,358 yuan (US$17,712) for throwing coins at a plane engine

Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:20 pm

Should have been a higher fine.
 
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Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:56 pm

For those of you who don't like the daily mail. Here is another article.

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society ... rdered-pay
 
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Thu Jan 02, 2020 11:25 pm

Should have gotten a higher fine. Endangered the lives of those on board. Maybe jail time+100,000 US
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Re: Chinese passenger ordered to pay 123,358 yuan (US$17,712) for throwing coins at a plane engine

Thu Jan 02, 2020 11:47 pm

TC957 wrote:
Good ! Anyone acting stupidly costing a company - not just an airline - money to right their wrongs should be made to pay for their actions.


WOW! So many ignorant and judgemental comments already! Firstly, in the video posted in first article, it looks like they were dropped on the tarmac more than thrown into the engine from the airbridge.
Air travel is still very new for most people in China. People probably make a lot of mistakes that, but so do people elsewhere.

What most westerners (yes, I'm one too) seem to lack is any understanding of other peoples. Firstly, probably first time fliers. Secondly, very superstitious in China. Thirdly, it says he had low education. You just have to look what people do in Europe and N. America that shows that not everyone has an understanding of what is acceptable when flying (e.g. drunkenness, air rage, so-called therapy animals on board, smelly people). Those days are long gone.

As for higher fines, seems like the usual assumption that everyone in the world lives in an economy where $17,000 is small change. It's a huge fortune to most Chinese.
 
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Fri Jan 03, 2020 12:13 am

I was just talking to some colleagues today about coin-throwing Chinese passengers...
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Re: Chinese passenger ordered to pay 123,358 yuan (US$17,712) for throwing coins at a plane engine

Fri Jan 03, 2020 2:57 am

outbackair wrote:
TC957 wrote:
Good ! Anyone acting stupidly costing a company - not just an airline - money to right their wrongs should be made to pay for their actions.


WOW! So many ignorant and judgemental comments already! Firstly, in the video posted in first article, it looks like they were dropped on the tarmac more than thrown into the engine from the airbridge.
Air travel is still very new for most people in China. People probably make a lot of mistakes that, but so do people elsewhere.

What most westerners (yes, I'm one too) seem to lack is any understanding of other peoples. Firstly, probably first time fliers. Secondly, very superstitious in China. Thirdly, it says he had low education. You just have to look what people do in Europe and N. America that shows that not everyone has an understanding of what is acceptable when flying (e.g. drunkenness, air rage, so-called therapy animals on board, smelly people). Those days are long gone.

As for higher fines, seems like the usual assumption that everyone in the world lives in an economy where $17,000 is small change. It's a huge fortune to most Chinese.

Oh please. Your comment borders on being condescending in regards to Chinese people. I don't think they're as uneducated as you make them out to be.

If anything, this incident will hopefully go a long way on educating everyone, as if common sense is not enough. Some ideas are just bad, doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out
 
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Re: Chinese passenger ordered to pay 123,358 yuan (US$17,712) for throwing coins at a plane engine

Fri Jan 03, 2020 3:40 am

Earlier report with a picture of the coin in question: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... -luck.html

This passenger was very unlucky to get caught. Who needs additional luck when flying with Lucky Airlines anyway? :?
 
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Re: Chinese passenger ordered to pay 123,358 yuan (US$17,712) for throwing coins at a plane engine

Fri Jan 03, 2020 6:16 am

Is a coin really likely to cause a problem, given the turkeys and whatnot that are thrown into engines?

It doesn't seem like DeltaMD90 read the article.
 
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Fri Jan 03, 2020 6:55 am

ryanov wrote:
Is a coin really likely to cause a problem, given the turkeys and whatnot that are thrown into engines?

It doesn't seem like DeltaMD90 read the article.



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Re: Chinese passenger ordered to pay 123,358 yuan (US$17,712) for throwing coins at a plane engine

Fri Jan 03, 2020 7:38 am

ryanov wrote:
Is a coin really likely to cause a problem, given the turkeys and whatnot that are thrown into engines?

It doesn't seem like DeltaMD90 read the article.

Not sure if you're implying that "turkeys and whatnot" thrown into the engines is somehow not going to cause any damage...

But yes, FOD is a huge hazard. While I don't expect a small coin to blow up the engine or kill anyone, it can definitely damage fan blades and the engines and cause significant, costly damage.

At worst, I could see it potentially damaging a fan blade that rips off and causes extensive damage internally or even externally. Probably unlikely but there is a reason we keep flightlines as clean as we can

Not sure if this is universal but I've seen airports that require vehicles entering the flight line from the outside world to stop and check all the tires for pebbles in the tire treads. Yes, little pebbles. Don't underestimate the power of little hard things plus a lot of speed
 
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Re: Chinese passenger ordered to pay 123,358 yuan (US$17,712) for throwing coins at a plane engine

Fri Jan 03, 2020 7:52 am

DeltaMD90 wrote:
outbackair wrote:
TC957 wrote:
Good ! Anyone acting stupidly costing a company - not just an airline - money to right their wrongs should be made to pay for their actions.


WOW! So many ignorant and judgemental comments already! Firstly, in the video posted in first article, it looks like they were dropped on the tarmac more than thrown into the engine from the airbridge.
Air travel is still very new for most people in China. People probably make a lot of mistakes that, but so do people elsewhere.

What most westerners (yes, I'm one too) seem to lack is any understanding of other peoples. Firstly, probably first time fliers. Secondly, very superstitious in China. Thirdly, it says he had low education. You just have to look what people do in Europe and N. America that shows that not everyone has an understanding of what is acceptable when flying (e.g. drunkenness, air rage, so-called therapy animals on board, smelly people). Those days are long gone.

As for higher fines, seems like the usual assumption that everyone in the world lives in an economy where $17,000 is small change. It's a huge fortune to most Chinese.

Oh please. Your comment borders on being condescending in regards to Chinese people. I don't think they're as uneducated as you make them out to be.

If anything, this incident will hopefully go a long way on educating everyone, as if common sense is not enough. Some ideas are just bad, doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out


The article stated that he was not well educate, as does a BBC version. No body is saying that Chinese people are not educated, but like many, many new fliers in the west, many pax may not be educated about FLYING. Their government has had to educate people in the last few years about behaviour on planes and when abroad. It's not condescending. Read the article above and this one. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wor ... hame-them/
 
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Re: Chinese passenger ordered to pay 123,358 yuan (US$17,712) for throwing coins at a plane engine

Mon Jan 06, 2020 2:31 am

There's many new fliers in China, but this isn't something that should have happened more than once. Unlike smoking and spitting in public, this is a well-intentioned act. If these people knew it was a hazard they wouldn't do it. The government tends to be good at getting the message out, so hopefully we won't be hearing about it again. Maybe these airports need to build more jet bridges.
 
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Re: Chinese passenger ordered to pay 123,358 yuan (US$17,712) for throwing coins at a plane engine

Mon Jan 06, 2020 2:38 am

Couldn’t they have just towed the plane out to an open area and run the engines? Wouldn’t the coins just fly out the back? Sorry I’m not a daily mail reader. Not my kind of journalism.
 
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Mon Jan 06, 2020 3:58 am

snasteve wrote:
Couldn’t they have just towed the plane out to an open area and run the engines? Wouldn’t the coins just fly out the back? Sorry I’m not a daily mail reader. Not my kind of journalism.

The coin would fly out but you would still need to do a full engine tare down to inspect it and make it legal to fly again, the engine maintenance procedures are fairly strict about stuff like this.
 
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Re: Chinese passenger ordered to pay 123,358 yuan (US$17,712) for throwing coins at a plane engine

Mon Jan 06, 2020 4:10 am

snasteve wrote:
Couldn’t they have just towed the plane out to an open area and run the engines?

They could, or they could just pick the coins up

You'll never have a FOD free environment, they do FOD sweeps and try and keep the area as clear as they can. Throwing coins on the flightline does nothing to help


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Wouldn’t the coins just fly out the back?

Sure, they'll eventually fly out the back. But engines aren't a big hollow cylinder, there is a lot of stuff that can be damaged from objects going through.

Just because they test engines to survive birdstrikes doesn't mean they're invulnerable to damage. There are a lot of factors that go into play. I've seen some dinky, non-metal birds go through an engine and dent the crap out of a fan blade. Those things are super expensive. Again, not an engine failure, but certainly a good chunk of cash to repair
 
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Re: Chinese passenger ordered to pay 123,358 yuan (US$17,712) for throwing coins at a plane engine

Mon Jan 06, 2020 6:47 am

outbackair wrote:
WOW! So many ignorant and judgemental comments already! Firstly, in the video posted in first article, it looks like they were dropped on the tarmac more than thrown into the engine from the airbridge.


The article does not say that the video shows the incident in question.
 
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Mon Jan 06, 2020 7:39 am

ShanghaiNoon wrote:
There's many new fliers in China, but this isn't something that should have happened more than once. Unlike smoking and spitting in public, this is a well-intentioned act. If these people knew it was a hazard they wouldn't do it. The government tends to be good at getting the message out, so hopefully we won't be hearing about it again. Maybe these airports need to build more jet bridges.


Yeah, of all of the things I've seen Chinese people do at Chinese airports this is the least infuriating. Obviously you can't just be throwing things into aircraft engines but I can honestly see how someone wouldn't know any better. Jet bridges are probably a good solution, just someone needs to cough up the money for it.
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Re: Chinese passenger ordered to pay 123,358 yuan (US$17,712) for throwing coins at a plane engine

Mon Jan 06, 2020 7:58 am

The comments here are sometimes sad to read. There needs to be an understanding on intent and this man only showed good intent.
Is that worth putting him in debt for the coming few years?
That fine is very very harsh and I feel for the lad. First time flier and all.

There are Chinese fliers (or others for that sake) that needs to be fined for behaviour no one wish to see. This man though, I dont see the need to make an example out of.

This 'throwing coins into engines' for good luck is something that is written about from time to time. Last year some old Chinese auntie did it too, that time right into the engines. I guess that percentage-wise the frequency is minimal, but since it does seem to occur with some regular frequency, basic information by the Chinese authorities is needed here.
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Re: Chinese passenger ordered to pay 123,358 yuan (US$17,712) for throwing coins at a plane engine

Mon Jan 06, 2020 10:07 am

Good. I like it. An example has to be made. Just like the moron who caused a Jet2 flight to be escorted by jet fighters getting a £80,000 fine, it is good in the long term as people adapt their behaviour.
 
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Re: Chinese passenger ordered to pay 123,358 yuan (US$17,712) for throwing coins at a plane engine

Mon Jan 06, 2020 11:48 am

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Re: Chinese passenger ordered to pay 123,358 yuan (US$17,712) for throwing coins at a plane engine

Mon Jan 06, 2020 12:00 pm

Jouhou wrote:
Jet bridges are probably a good solution, just someone needs to cough up the money for it.

Well, they could finance them from all the coins they collect on the apron. :blush: :duck:
 
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Mon Jan 06, 2020 6:19 pm

N14AZ wrote:
Jouhou wrote:
Jet bridges are probably a good solution, just someone needs to cough up the money for it.

Well, they could finance them from all the coins they collect on the apron. :blush: :duck:


I was thinking they could take an old or replica engine, put it on display in the terminal for people to throw coins at like the fountains we have in the US full of coins from people making wishes...
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Mon Jan 06, 2020 6:34 pm

Ryanair is already thinking of doing this in their new Coins Dropping or Engines Not Turning (CDENT) program
 
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Re: Chinese passenger ordered to pay 123,358 yuan (US$17,712) for throwing coins at a plane engine

Tue Jan 07, 2020 2:23 pm

I'd like to say that throwing coins is also a European tradition going back a long time, with people throwing coins into fountains or wells. It was initially as a “thank you” to the gods for providing clean water. The most famous is probably the Trevi Fountain in Rome which shuts down for one hour every day and the coins are swept out by the Roman Catholic charity Caritas.

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